The History Of Immersive Sims | Part Two | Arkane Studios 

Not as cursed as Obsidian, look at their history and it's genuinely heartbreaking considering how phenomenal their games are

The genre that kills studios. Immersive Sims are amazing player choice driven games, but they are far more expensive to make, and aren’t as easily accessible for “casual” gamers, that’s why Bioshock Infinite was the way it was, it wasn’t an immersive sim at its core, which is why it sold so well, it was easily accessible, and understandable. Prey, Dishonored, the modern Deus Ex games they all failed because they were expensive to make, and aren’t easily accessible to a mass audience, the only people who play immersive sims, are immersive sim fans, and that is unfortunate.

@@the_numb_skull BioShock Infinite had to be simplified because of 7th gen consoles while both Prey and Dishonored 2 had almost nonexistent marketing

@@vulrect8176 Prey also got a ton of negativity due to people upset it wasn't a sequel to that Quake clone from 2006 that uses the same name.

@@bruhtholemew Yea, I remember that too

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Fantastic news!

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Lookout for Weird West! T'was shown at Game Awards.

Weird West is releasing soon folks!

There was a lot of negativity surrounding prey at release, i almost didn't bought it untill some reviewer said that it is like system shock. I thought for a long time that it is just a bad FPS and thats why people hate on it , after i played it i completly stoped to listen to people online. The game was so good i thought these people must be crazy.

I wasn't a big fan of Prey, especially compared to Dishonored. Had some clever ideas but it was just one of those games I couldn't connect with. Still had an interesting few hours with it.

@@sirprintalot Glad you liked a least a lil' bit. The game is much more clever and well thought than a first look, it's secretly the most intelligent game I ever played. But I can openly admit it's far from perfect and probably not everyone's cup of tea. For me it's good because of the sci-fi theme which I like a lot. Cheers,

Well, Dead Space did start out as System Shock 3 which given Prey also earned that nickname the connections are definitely there

Amen

God bless WolfEye studios.

Yup, you're completely right. Deathloop has an adversary that can (optionally) be controlled by another human player. Redfall is a 4-player coop game. That's probably why Raf and some other team members left Arkane to create WolfEye studios. You should check our their game Weird West which is releasing soon.

@@Qladstone Sadly, weird west was also a dissapointing game overall. It was fun, but very basic in terms of what they were trying to achieve. It was a quasi immersive sim experience.

​@@Qladstone yeah, Deathloop was pretty good but while I personally don't mind Redfall the reviews speak for themselves. Kinda feels like (for some reason) Bethesda just *wanted* a repeat of Wolfenstein: Youngblood.

... the best is yet to come 🤯

@@matricious Imo Arkane is lightyears ahead of Irrational when it comes to Immersive Sims. But Bioshock 1 and 2 are pretty good though.

Bro, I can't wait to finally sit down and play those games through. The overseers at RU-vid keep me on a treadmill though so I can't really play games that aren't a part of a video, or my views tank, like what you are seeing in this video. 60k last video, 4 k this vid. I hope things change because those two games are seriously fucking good and I really want to talk about them, as well as outerworlds.

@@StratEdgyProductions No pressure, man! Just wanted to make sure that you're aware of them. With videos like this one the waiting is sweet anyway. I, for one, had no idea that Avellone worked on Prey, holy shit. The guy is Gandalf!

If Underrail had a proper cover mechanic, or even better Jagged Alliance style crouch and prone system as well as cover, it might have been my favorite example of the genre ever. As it is I stay away from guns in that game, and others like it largely. I always adored Jagged Alliance for it's contribution to isometric combat mechanics, and still relish as deep an RPG as Underrail or fallout 1 and 2, but with the combat mechanics of a JA2.

For the emperor!

Maybe he's waiting for Cyberpunk.

@@ryanwhitaker4444 May be. Haven't thought of Cyberpunk as Immersive Sim, although I can easily imagine it being quite open-ended.

@@ryanwhitaker4444 *comments that aged poorly*

@@EtCeteraTape Well, now it is out, and the world is shallow and immersion breaking, doesn't feel like immersive sim for me.

​@@itzalion It's not an immersive sim. It's an Ubisoft Farcry, not made by Ubisoft.

Same here. It opened me to rpg's in general I was mostly into hack and slash games. Actually hated the game at first and finally played it a year after and got hooked and never looked back.

Not just any apple either, a mimic disguised as an apple

Thank you !

Watered down? I see what you did there. Also I fully agree

@@derzw3rg Haha !

My girlfriend loved prey so I was said that we should check out bioshock and oh boy did she not like it. It was rough going from being able to use a gloo gun to literally go anywhere to then not be able to move past a chair that's blocking you. It's very shallow.

@@dudestep You made a mistake playing prey beforehand, there is a reason that is the newer game, hell it did everything bioshock tried to form a gameplay perspective much better. Also the fact that they quite literally wanted that to be a system shock game and we had email leaks calling it that speaks for itself. Bioshock is a story game, not an immersive sim.

Spare us. I have no love for these awards nor for anything they represent, but Breath of the Wild was legit awesome and it is anything but the typical Nintendo reiteration of the same formula.

@MrNahual2099 did you even try the goddamn game? Its literally ripped some pages outa dishonored in terms of systemic gameplay.

Wow way to sum up Prey completely wrong, you obviously haven't played it for more than 20 minutes

​@@apictureoffunction I haven't played Prey, I was just commenting on the content of the video. So it's a vast world and not a space station? It has many characters? Better tell the video maker to redo the video then because he portrayed the opposite.

the future of immersive sims is definitely in the indie scene, idk if we'll ever get a true AAA imm sim ever again

It is on hold right now but it is written. Just need to find time to do it. They take much more time than my two week schedule allows right now :(

@@StratEdgyProductions it will be worth the wait

I dont think that's the case. It's really more that usually there's nothing to grab people's attention. It's like watching a slow burn movie... sure that slow burn may be really awesome. But you spent an hour and twenty minutes in a film that's an hour and thirty five minutes long just to get there. And frankly... not everyone is going to think that payoff was worth it. Sometimes you end up with a question of... What am I doing? Or better yet... Why am I doing all this? And when you realize the answer is "Because you can!", then you realize you can also just not play the game for the exact same reason and it's often just as rewarding to the individual. I don't mind immersive sims if there is a plot that can grab my attention or it's based on a subject I find interesting. While by no means the best RPG or Immersive game in the world and definitely not without it's faults... Kingdom Come: Deliverance was the last game I enjoyed that had immersive aspects. It's based on a time frame in history I'm familiar with and the story was well written. I know people like to complain about how "empty" the map was when not in a town or near one. But take your ass out to the woods and you'll find it's pretty empty too. This idea that every area has to be populated with something to kill, loot, look at, or etc is just people who dont go outside much I'd say. Still, it just depends on how you as a person approach things and what you find fun. The reality for me is just most immersive games can't hold my attention as they seem to base everything on "Because you can" without giving me good cause of "Why I Should".

@@Predalien195 Totally why I can't get into games like that. I like some RPGs with lots of dialogue but not so much games that are immersive sim types that he describes in the video. Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas in my opinion are masterpieces in the genre of RPGs despite each of their short comings.

@@lucifer2b666 Immersion for me means that I actually believe my character is in the setting being portrayed. In short, I find the setting to be accurate, historically perhaps or just convincing. FallOut 1, 2, and NV for instance. I believe you are in a post apocalyptic wasteland with out the problems that come with that. FallOut 4 however... I just dont find it as believable comparatively speaking. The Metro games... Same thing, I can believe in that setting and etc. So to me I'm now taking a step into that world via picking up the controller or mouse and keyboard. Then there's games like ARK where I'm supposed to believe in this world but simply just dont feel any kind of reason to. Immersion shouldnt be "make me do mundane tasks in this world to believe in it". So often yeah I just avoid the types of games mentioned above as they often times just plain arent fun and that's the point of a game. It's supposed to be fun... if you want to take the fun out of it and do things like you got to do in the real world then just wake up, do house work, go to work, and all that shit and say "I'm playing an immersive game".

@Pangolinstirfrylungjuicecough Well again, my idea of immersion is different. If I can believe in the setting you place me in and I can believe the character being played is a product of that world, that's immersion. In the shooter world, games like Tannenberg are considered "Realistic" and "Immersive" because it captures WW1 tactics and speed fairly well or at least what most would consider to be. So, when playing one could "believe" they are in the time period set for them to play in. VS say Battlefield 1, while a good game in it's own right... the appearances, weapons, and other aspects fail to suspend your disbelief. Immersion for me is much like a movie. If you want to set it in a post apocalyptic landscape... While nobody here truly has ANY idea how things would actually be as it has yet to happen, some ideas/concepts are grounded a bit more in reality and thus are more believable. Fall Out games are like that for me. I never felt the character's were disconnected with the people they met so much as it was a product of the environment. You live in a world where raiders, mutants, and other dangers exist. You live in isolated communities and have a low sense of trust for strangers. It's no surprise you dont just hit it off with everyone you meet and vice versa. That's believable to me given the setting. Everyone has their ideas about what immersion is how deep it needs to go. These are just mine.

Megaman 11 was awesome as hell though.

I want to too. I have a whole script just sitting around.

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