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The History of Lemon Plecos, L144 & How They Were Created! AKA: Ancistrus Cirrhosis. Care & Breeding 

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The History of L144: Lemon Plecos & How They Were Created! AKA: Ancistrus Cirrhosis Var. a2 + Care and breeding albino, leucistic lemon plecos, long fin plecos and blue eye lemon plecos, super red plecos, green dragon and snow white plecos.
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@mymysticaqua2952
@mymysticaqua2952 3 года назад
Very nice planted tank. I like the different textures and of course the different colors. 👍🏼
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Thank you kindly. I appreciate that
@rexbrowning4709
@rexbrowning4709 Год назад
Awesome history lesson as always
@Fishtory
@Fishtory Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@icedemon1515
@icedemon1515 2 года назад
What this video really showed was, I got a breeding male and female L144a as sub adults that will be arriving tomorrow from different lines. I have an SAE and was wondering how it would do during the male egg watching. This has shown me that even though they can annoy the male pleco it isn't overly aggressive back and is moreso defensive.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Yeah it shouldn't be too bad. Usually the pleco can slam the SAE with a tail whip and scare it off. They're really strong even as a small fish
@FlabbHs
@FlabbHs 4 года назад
Always happy to learn about the origin of animals and plants!
@MakoyUnggoy
@MakoyUnggoy 2 года назад
That was an interesting watch!
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Glad to hear it! No one watches this video anymore haha I'm glad you enjoyed it
@veganportugese6936
@veganportugese6936 4 года назад
He looks so cute especially his eyes looks like a fake plastic doll😂😂
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
I like my lil guy hehe
@garyvee6023
@garyvee6023 3 года назад
Short and sweet..., 23 and a half minutes later..., ha..., still good vid.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Lol ... so short, so sweet. Not a single target or wasted word... classic me.
@randy7983
@randy7983 4 года назад
Been waiting on a video about this for a while 🙌👍
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Tada! ... so what was next on the ole wait list?
@randy7983
@randy7983 4 года назад
No idea lol. Might have been the only thing on the list...so far.. Really enjoyed it 😁
@chandlee3968
@chandlee3968 4 года назад
I bred a couple of super reds and the babies came out similar but when I crossed one of the spawn back with the mother they came out with a lot of black marks similar to calico. I guess that particular gen 2 I chose had some of the undesirable traits that came back out. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Gotta figure it all out somehow hehe. I wish there was an app or website where people could simply log their results as far as dominance and cross strain spawning goes
@BrodysBettas
@BrodysBettas Год назад
​@@Fishtory that's a great idea!
@kellylynch3775
@kellylynch3775 3 года назад
Very educational. Thank you. Mine's mucistic (spelled wrong) with blue eyes. He's a little baby now, about an inch and a half long. SOOOO CUTE
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Awwww cute. Yeah awesome. They're a great fish
@harleym50
@harleym50 2 месяца назад
Enjoyed the video
@bennorman2493
@bennorman2493 2 года назад
Really helped me out this one cheers pal 👍
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Glad to hear jt
@justanopinionsincerelynoof3860
I love your videos and always amazed by the comprehensive info! I got 2 lemon blue eyes today- thinking of breeding them with a regular black male bristlenose.
@hunterspeak4370
@hunterspeak4370 9 месяцев назад
After one week of research about plecos, finally I found this. I'm thinking about getting some L144 for my first tank. Very detailed information, thank you! Do you think L471 Mini Snowball Plecos would go along well in the same tank with the 144s as long as enough space and hideouts are present?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 9 месяцев назад
Yes theyll be fine as long as there are enough caves/hides ...about 2 for each fish, just in case. But ive kept that combo in several tanks...lovely
@BrodysBettas
@BrodysBettas Год назад
Really cool video!
@Fishtory
@Fishtory Год назад
Thanks for the visit 😀
@nataliawieczorek3210
@nataliawieczorek3210 3 года назад
Ancestor from Lemon were not imported to USA but to Europe, that Lemon line we all know was made in Czech Republic 😉
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Thank you! Which species was it a mix of , again?
@elvinsworld11
@elvinsworld11 4 месяца назад
Nice
@kbozzie5951
@kbozzie5951 4 года назад
Super duper video! I was recently given about 30 mixed plecos, from 3/4" to 3ish inches. I see I have at least 1 green dragon and several albino. There are a couple I have not ID'd though.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Whoa! Very cool haul. Score! Are they all bristlenose? Or other species as well?
@kbozzie5951
@kbozzie5951 4 года назад
@@Fishtory All bristlenose (I think) I'm not a pleco person, well I actually am now. Can I send you pics to help ID them.
@sarelvangreunen8627
@sarelvangreunen8627 2 года назад
Thanks so much.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Gladly! Thanks for tuning in
@ZYGTropicals
@ZYGTropicals 3 года назад
Did he really call it melatonin!!?! hahahaha!!!!!
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Yup haha easy slip up
@mangala666
@mangala666 4 года назад
Those green dragons are a mix of three species of ancistrus. Greg Sage talks about how they were developed.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Yeah! The lemons are unknown origin as he told me a few years ago though. I should do one on green dragons also... they still to by ancistrus Cirrhosis oddly
@mangala666
@mangala666 4 года назад
Lol that’s weird. It’s probably more like “Ancistrus cf. Cirrhosus” which is not actually meaning that we know for sure.
@rythmjunky5292
@rythmjunky5292 Год назад
Any ideas why my lighter coloured BN plecos(albino and lemons)are more active during the day than calicos? My calicos are always hiding,and bolt the moment I come near the tank. The lighter ones don’t seem phased at all,and move around actively with no fear.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory Год назад
You know, I don't know why either...but have also noticed it! I wondered if it was because the others hide and blend in, under shadows, but bright ones would hide better in sand or blonde wood... so maybe thats part of it?
@Simply4Aquatics
@Simply4Aquatics 3 года назад
The green dragon is a hybrid of 3 Ancistrus and not line breed like most people believe. First the L338 and L156 where breed together that started the short fin greens and some come out a spotted and yellow ish in colour these come from the L156 side of the line and they got named lemon drops. It was also quite common that they would throughout albinos along the way. (I believe this is way you see some albinos that are quite spotted and others that are not because they were originally created from different ancistrus lines.) It has taken some time to breed the green dragons with out the spots coming throw them so strongly. Then the ancistrus cf. cirrhosus long fin was breed in to get the long fin green. It has been said that there was a green dragon line back in the 70’s in Germany that has now died out but there’s no Real evidence of their existence just story’s! The greens we see in the hobby today have been perfected by Greg Sage in the US with the original L338 and L156 cross breed hybrids coming from a friend of his who didn’t want to work with them.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Totally! Thank you. Greg is where I bought mine/ whom I spoke with about his work over the 90s. All the "dragons" are ancistrus cirrhosis on paper, but as you said- the work of Greg Sage specifically brought them into their current long fin form. Also they weren't true albino but rather, leucistic as many have the blue eyes... which is the lemon and orange colors... reds are a refinement of the calico and albino variants I think too.
@Philip_smith88
@Philip_smith88 Год назад
Great video bro. I was trying to breed my l144s but removed the mail after awhile because the male was chasing the female around the tank. I worried she was stresses. Is that normal?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory Год назад
It is...but it can definitely stress her out too much also. So not a bad idea for a while
@Philip_smith88
@Philip_smith88 Год назад
@@Fishtory Appreciate it.
@sansonkrylow1997
@sansonkrylow1997 11 дней назад
Nice video! what would happen if I breed an Albino female to a Snow white male?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 11 дней назад
I'm not sure, because you need to know which genes were dominant vs recessive. I'm guessing the snow white genes would dominate? But I really don't know for sure. I'd love to hear about the results though
@sansonkrylow1997
@sansonkrylow1997 11 дней назад
@@Fishtory I am so tempted to test it I have a longfin female albino and a male snow white I would kinda be sad if the offspring would be 100% normals
@Gena-r8j
@Gena-r8j 5 месяцев назад
I just ordered 2 Golden blue eye long fin bushy nose Plecos. Are those what you are talking about ?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 5 месяцев назад
Similar... they look nearly identical. But the lemons have a different background genetically ...supposedly a wild morph from the 70s, but others claim that line was lost and it's a group from the 90s of luecistic bristlnose ancistrus... so short answer, yes...technical answer: no...maybe lol
@cristianruggio8230
@cristianruggio8230 2 года назад
I just recently bought an l144 male and it bred with my albino female. What type of fry do you think I might get?
@MakoyUnggoy
@MakoyUnggoy 2 года назад
So what did you get?!
@ShiaShnaky
@ShiaShnaky 2 года назад
Please respond!!
@vickygreenhalgh9283
@vickygreenhalgh9283 3 года назад
I have supered hes soooo CUTE
@jaxntax5509
@jaxntax5509 4 года назад
I plan on trying to get longfin green dragons so this is helpful to me
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Select Aquatics in Denver has the very best
@jaxntax5509
@jaxntax5509 4 года назад
@@Fishtory I know but have not seen any for sale he is doing some line work and I suspect the human malware is also causing some issues.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Yeah every 6 months he sells another 250 pr 500 though. So keep your eyes peeled
@jaxntax5509
@jaxntax5509 4 года назад
@@Fishtory I have been watching for about 6 MTS now at least once a week I check.
@UpperAquatics
@UpperAquatics 3 года назад
For the algorithm!
@robinbeasley4591
@robinbeasley4591 Год назад
I need a pleco for a tank that has a convict cichlid in it. Would this guy be able to fend off the convict?
@jamestrebillcock4718
@jamestrebillcock4718 2 года назад
I Can't believe they've still got some of their egg attached to them still, I thought you were yolking.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
I ancist-rus, that it's true though!
@jamestrebillcock4718
@jamestrebillcock4718 2 года назад
@@Fishtory dad level puns those bad boys
@jennifermcnaughton51
@jennifermcnaughton51 3 года назад
We had longfin L144 plecs breeding, and every so often, true albinos (red eyed) would show up. How common is that?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
I'm not sure.. ive spawned over 500 now from this pair, and another 2k from their offspring..and never seen it. However we may have different lines, and one albino red eye grandpa can toss a wrench in things I suppose. Sorry I can't be of more help
@nathanaelsmith3553
@nathanaelsmith3553 4 года назад
I've got the long fin albino variety.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
They're beautiful when swimming! (Do yours actually have the pink/reddish eyes?)
@unusualaquariumecosystems5805
@unusualaquariumecosystems5805 4 года назад
What's the blue fish at 19:16? Looks interesting...
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Powder blue male dwarf gourami
@unusualaquariumecosystems5805
@unusualaquariumecosystems5805 4 года назад
@@Fishtory Wow that's a mouthful.
@TheGizwop
@TheGizwop 4 года назад
I have a baby Oscar that I brought as a albino tiger Oscar it was only about 1 1/4 inches and pure white with orange eyes at the time but as it is growing it is developing a lot of black over white in what would be black pants and white where it's bars and orange part would be other than eye spot that is is developing bright orange like a normal tiger Oscar is about 3 2/3 inches now and looks unique and awsome do you have any idea what the mutations causes this colour patterning? I also have a blue eyed albino colour body with red fin tinfoil barb as well as a normal albino one
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Yes that's likey called co-dominant leucistic or co dominant amelanism. Some species...like kribs ( Also a cichlid) can Express normal black patterning but be missing yellow, or red... and maybe you get orange...the eyes are the main "tell" they'd be pink or clear if true albino genes.... the other possibility is that its simply a normal color mutation that's been selectively bred.... someone saw orange and crossed the most orange ones they had until your phenotype
@ZYGTropicals
@ZYGTropicals 3 года назад
That’s a lemon Oscar! Some are almost all yellow and others are cream/yellow with orangish/yellow tiger markings and a bit of black on the fins. Some have the black, others don’t. Has orange eye reflection in light!
@sinisa2365
@sinisa2365 3 года назад
Is the green dragon pleco from selective breeding too? and is it possible to attain from common bristlenose selective breeding in the home aquaria?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Yep! Over time both long fin, calico, albino, black, mocha, chocolate, super red, yellow and green are all based on ancistrus cirrhosis
@sinisa2365
@sinisa2365 3 года назад
@@Fishtory thanks for your reply, appreciate it
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
@@sinisa2365 no problem. Thanks for checking out the channel.
@Riley095
@Riley095 2 года назад
its possible to keep muliple plecos in a tank you just need multiple caves
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
100%
@reelthing4u
@reelthing4u 4 года назад
i have 500 or more of these.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Nice!
@Scz_.
@Scz_. 2 года назад
Just got one of these guys today heard they are as hardy as a common plexo
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Pretty much. They can handle less nitrates by maybe 20%? And they like it 72-84 degrees rather than 60-80 like commons
@Scz_.
@Scz_. 2 года назад
@@Fishtory welp my tank currently is in that 60-80 range but that’s cause my heater broke and I won’t have one for a couple of days. Thankfully room temp isn’t that bad
@bigbad7748
@bigbad7748 4 месяца назад
Could I buy a purple eye green dragon please
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 месяца назад
I wish. They had a few babies (5 or 6 years ago) and then it never passed on predicably
@ThePaul555
@ThePaul555 2 года назад
How do I aquire your pink ram snails? Do you sell them ?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
I do
@ThePaul555
@ThePaul555 2 года назад
@@Fishtory where do I go to purchase some? Love the vids btw. Just found you last week
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
@@ThePaul555 where do you live? (Are you in the USA? ) EMAIL me at alexanderjwilliamson@gmail.com with how many you'd ideally like, and then where you are located and I can hopefully let you know the shipping price. The snails are usually about 4 dollars each for adults and I toss in a few babies as well.
@ThePaul555
@ThePaul555 2 года назад
@@Fishtory i emailed you
@Ccatsby
@Ccatsby 3 года назад
Are u selling ur LF blue eyes whiter looking L144s?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Locally in Seattle, only
@Ccatsby
@Ccatsby 3 года назад
@@Fishtory Ahh gotcha np =)
@plong2x674
@plong2x674 3 года назад
can they breed with the darker plecos?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Yes any ancistrus /bristlenose species basically
@wcdeich4
@wcdeich4 6 месяцев назад
I wish someone would work on breeding a smaller bristlenose pleco that is about 1/2 the size. If we can breed poodles from wolves, it should be possible.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 6 месяцев назад
There's mini snowballs.... 2 or 2.5 inches max!
@wcdeich4
@wcdeich4 6 месяцев назад
@@Fishtory but they're not cleaner fish 🤷‍♂
@Dovietail
@Dovietail 3 года назад
Its a lucistic trait, like blue eyed Lucy ball pythons. Occures in nature rarely, as it is a recessive trait and most white animals are predated before they can breed.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Thanks!
@idiotsyncracies6258
@idiotsyncracies6258 4 года назад
Is lemon the same as albino? Or is there a difference?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
One is albinistic and one is leucistic (lacks all dark colors, but still has some yellows, reds and orange usually ) i have an episode on the difference and specifically with plecos and kribs
@KyIieMinogue
@KyIieMinogue 4 года назад
I think @2:34 you mean melanin not melatonin
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
YES! HAHA long day... i do not need any Melatonin haha... sleep would be instant
@baileylifschutz2167
@baileylifschutz2167 4 года назад
lol I was hoping someone else heard that.
@michelletom2401
@michelletom2401 Год назад
L144a is the Longfin version of Lemon blue eyes I have L144 shortfins and L144a Longfins breeding
@Fishtory
@Fishtory Год назад
Oh thanks for the correction then
@DavidWillardJr
@DavidWillardJr Год назад
Why do I find eggs outside of their hides? I have heard the males will shove out the bad eggs but I have found them behind the hides as if they were laid there.
@kellycasperhanson4426
@kellycasperhanson4426 Год назад
Sometimes, the males are clumsy and knock out their clutches when they leave the cave to eat. I've even seen males knock out only a portion of their eggs but raise the remaining eggs without any problems. The better dads will forego eating and not risk kicking out their eggs. I have rescued MANY of such clutches and raised them quite successfully, so I don't believe the males "rejected" them because of their quality. I do think a rival male can eject a clutch, but I haven't witnessed it personally. It just makes sense they might do it because of environmental pressure. Ejected clutches are easily raised outside of the cave if you know what to do. Contrary to all the RU-vid videos saying you need specific fry hatching gadgets to raise the clutch, you don't. All you need is an appropriate sized vase, a SMALL heater, and an airstone, or 2. I prefer raising them away from the aquarium because they stay cleaner that way. Add the dechlorinated, warm water to the vase, put in the clutch, the SMALL heater, and the airstone. Be sure the airstone is blowing just enough to BARELY agitate the eggs. A thermometer is a good idea, too. Change the water at least once per day (I change it 2x/24 hrs). Then watch and wait a few days. It's a blast to see them hatch. Once their egg sacs are gone, you can feed spirulina powder, or Repashy, or even canned green beans. Spirulina seems to work best, but it does make a mess in the vase. I use a soft paint brush to clean the walls when I do water changes to manage the mess. The fry can go back into the tank to grow out in about a week if there are no predators to eat them.
@DavidWillardJr
@DavidWillardJr Год назад
@Kellycasper Hanson Thank you for the info. It seems I have several clumsy males...lol. I have 2 egg tumblers going now. The first batch is just about through the eggs sacks and will be going into a nursery on the side of the tank they are going into with a chunk of zucchini in a couples hours when I get to them. The second batch in tumbler 2 has just started hatching and will likely remain in the main tank. Now I have to find some interested buyers before I have 400 plecos in tanks everywhere...lol. Thankfully I have a couple tanks I can go to until they are old enough to find new homes.
@kellycasperhanson4426
@kellycasperhanson4426 Год назад
@David Willard Jr Congratulations on your success 😅! It's a hazard in pleco breeding! I've had times when I was way too successful. I've been supplying calico/super red BNPs to most all of the fish stores on my side of town, and they can only take just so many! Something I've discovered when I have to raise up the clutches myself is that at times, the eggs don't hatch effectively without extra water pressure from the dad's continual fanning. I simulate that by using a turkey baster and squirting water across the clutches. I only do it when some eggs have hatched and the others aren't doing anything. It's amazing to see the fry POP out of their egg sac just from the extra water stimulation. I'm now waiting for my longfin super red and longfin blue-eyed lemon BNPs to get old enough to breed. I'm done with short fin chocolates, albinos and calicos. There's just not much money in it in my area. I hope you make much more money from your babies!!!
@kellycasperhanson4426
@kellycasperhanson4426 Год назад
@David Willard Jr When your fry have just hatched, spirulina powder is an excellent first food. I hatch mine in a separate container so the spirulina powder doesn't cloud the aquarium water. I move them at about 7 days old. I didn't have good results with the zucchini on new fry. Green beans work okay, but I SWEAR, they GOBBLE up the spirulina like crazy. You can see the green in their full bellies!!! Do whatever works for you! Forgive me if I over-shared!!! Good luck!
@ricodegallo3060
@ricodegallo3060 4 года назад
👍
@Razedot
@Razedot 4 года назад
First!?
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 4 года назад
Winner
@Ribug17
@Ribug17 2 года назад
2:34 there’s no melatonin in the skin 😭???
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
Correct
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 2 года назад
I meant melanin and said it like 4 other places lol just miss spoke
@chrisdavis7322
@chrisdavis7322 11 месяцев назад
L144 does not exist in the hobby anynore. It was a one off import that died out in the 1990s. This is Ancistrus cf. cirrhosus sometimes called ancistrus (sp4). Its a leucistic variant of the common ancistrus.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 11 месяцев назад
Yeah now it's called the 144(a) but parentheses throw off the title
@anthonyruth5606
@anthonyruth5606 3 года назад
Look at guppies there getting sick more often bc if inbreeding guppies are less hardy bc of inbreeding
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Totally
@anthonyruth5606
@anthonyruth5606 3 года назад
@@Fishtory wow u replied most RU-vidrs don’t care about there sub but I do think inbreeding is bad bc the genetic go heywire and the animals has stunted or shorten lifespan
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
@@anthonyruth5606 is always try and bring in new blood, even if it sets me back a few generations, to re-stabilize my phenotypes and traits. Also, I try my hardest to respond to everyone who comments and watches, but it can be challenging hehe. Thanks for your insight and for watching. Cheers.
@anthonyruth5606
@anthonyruth5606 3 года назад
@@Fishtory thx for responding but yay I do agree how it’s hard to get a nice color pleco but me when u start inbreeding any animal they become less hardy and have shorter lives sometimes I go to South America and bring bristlenose pleco so there isn’t inbreeding
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
@@anthonyruth5606 yes, some of the cheese creek and spotted xingu ancistrus have lovely tortoise shell patterns naturally anyhow
@gregorycollins3096
@gregorycollins3096 3 года назад
Thanks so much.
@Fishtory
@Fishtory 3 года назад
Glad I can be of assistance! 700 more videos of related content if you need more info in the future, as well. Cheers!
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