The Holiness of God, Penal Substitution, and How to Pray w/ Dr. Scott Hahn 

This channel makes my wife and I want to become Roman Catholics. We’re in a very tough spot church wise. Prayers are appreciated.

The “holiest” person I know is my 22 year old daughter who is a nonverbal special needs young lady. When you talked about the “still small voice” when God spoke to Elijah, I thought of my daughter. She has no use of her hands and has to be fed, dressed, walked, etc. When she does make a sound, it often sounds like a kitten. God made her this way. She is the opposite of this world’s definition of a “productive citizen,” and yet, there are no words for me to describe how she effects me, my wife, her three brothers, and all those who encounter her. She is able to receive Christ in the Eucharist and was confirmed this past June. I feel like a saint lives in my house! Her little face glows with the love of Christ. It is beyond me why God chose to bless me with this precious child. I praise God for this teaching Dr. Hahn! I sometimes grow weary, but God has used this truth you are speaking about to renew my strength.

I was told today that if I leave protestantism and affirm justification by infusion and not imputation, I'll be committing apostasy. Please pray for me that I'll find the truth and have the strength to go where God leads me. I'm strongly considering both Catholicism and Orthodoxy and don't see protestantism nearly as valid anymore.

So grateful for this. I had an “aha” moment when Dr. Hahn was talking about how we are supposed to work for 6 days and then rest on the 7th IN ORDER to allow God to work. And that was partly why the Pharisees were so upset with Jesus for healing on the sabbath; only God was supposed to “work” that day, so Christ was revealing His divinity to us once again in that moment. But it is a powerful lesson that I intend to apply to my own life and that of my families: on Sundays, I dedicate the day not only “to the Lord” but IN ORDER to allow Him to work in me. Praised be to Jesus Christ. Thank you both.

Prayers appreciated for myself … I’m in RCIA this year, and will be confirmed at Easter. Some of my closest friends do not support me whatsoever in this journey of mine. I cried for over twenty minutes today - the loneliness is real and heavy to bear.

Scott Hahn is a gift from God to the believers.

In my opinion, Scott Hahn is the greatest catholic theologian of the 21st century. Few people in the world can talk about the beauty of faith in such a brilliant way. Hahn is primarily a witness of the Lord Jesus, therefore his theology is full of the Holy Spirit! Greetings from Poland!

As a Protestant inquiring into Catholicism. Dr Scott Hahn is such a treasure. Helping me to understand Catholicism and hearing about the faith firsthand rather than from prots who have no clue or have been misguided in their critiques of the faith. Thanks also to Pints With Aquinas for your zeal and enthusiasm. Your willingness to have guests on who illuminate these important topics is excellent!

This is so amazing. All of a sudden, I can see and understand for the first time in my life and I am reaching 70 years old.

This man is so amazing! Thank you, dear Lord, for giving us Dr. Scott Hahn.

WOW. This was mind-blowing. Had to pause in the middle for mass and I felt like I was seeing things I never saw before. Thank you

I'm finishing out a semester of an online course at Franciscan University taught by Dr. Hahn. It has been so profound and has deepened my faith immensely. I'm so grateful! :)

There is so much integrating activity within Dr. Hahn's mind that what he says sounds more mysterious proper to one who has reached the profundity proper to a mystic. Our best response is to behold the Lord who is shining through him.

I can listen to Scott all day, wish I could meet him

This is amazing. I love when Dr Hahn talked about Jesus wants to heal us from the FEAR of suffering. I fear suffering like none other. Thank you so much!

Just listening to this lovely conversation, in my loneliness, looking to learn at this late year of my life...and just now you mention our precious Cardinal Pell who has been taken from us, suddenly, tragically, when the Church needs his earthly guidance. Lord have mercy.

Thanks be to God that we have people like Scott Hanh in our time. Glory be to Jesus Christ!

To all on here who are converting to Catholicism. Do not be afraid. Always remember to keep your focus on God. He is perfect and so is His plan. He should always come first, before yourself, before family, friends, anyone. You will never be alone, for God Himself suffices. I hold the world in prayer when I pray my rosary. We are all going through something when it comes to our faith. The devil will not prevail. Believe with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind in the Holy Eucharist. May the Holy Spirit descend down upon all who will be receiving the Holy Sacraments this Easter and your families. May He also reunite those who have strayed away from our church. God Bless you all.

Dr Scott Hahn was dropping such powerful knowledge, amazing!!

Dr Scott Hahn is a Wonderful Catholic and human being. Glory to God!🙏

Forget Morgan freeman I want Scott to narrate my life

Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy. Of the grace.

When Scott mentioned the feeling he got when his first child was born I could relate completely. I had a similar experience and I felt God's presence, and finally understood what type of love he has for us. It shook me to my core. Now I'm in RCIA because I know God is real.

I still remember the album Godspell, 'Day by Day' we would sing at the 9:30 folk mass at the Church's school Cafeteria, "It's all for the Best", the finale at the end of the album that would bring one to tears, later at Campus Ministry, I was baptised in the Spirit, those were glorious times, the Holy Spirit truly united young flesh with the Spirit like our Father gave us the incarnation of His only begotten son, many remember only the 'free love' and woodstock of the sixties and seventies, but like Stuebenville in the mid eighties, it was a glorious time of the Charismatic Renewal, where we would go to Mass and actually sing praise to God, worship at the Eucharistic CELEBRATION, now you got to Mass with overhead projectors that don't work, snobbish ritualists who look down at the average Joe and Jane singing at all and of course your purists priests who want to sublet everything to an over paid 'Music Minister' who is just as snobish, the seventies and eighties were a vibrant time for Church goers, now the purists and perfectionists remain and the only sound perfectionism brings is the sound of silence, we're all quietists now.

Just listening to Scott's voice and words intantly makes me feel Holier. God love him.

Just last night I took one of my closest friends to his first Mass (an extremely reverent N.O) naturally afterward he had a hundred questions regarding The Mass. I knew this would happen so brought along “The Mass as Heaven on Earth.” By Dr. Hahn. I had finished it just afew weeks ago, and massively recommended it to whoever is reading this! Godspeed and God bless!

Hahn's love for Scripture and the faith is contagious.

Scott Hahn’s voice is so soothing. I want him to be my grandpa🙂

Dr. Scott Hahn, thank you very much for sharing us your wisdom and Mr. Matt Fradd Pints With Aquinas really inspires the faithful to be good.

I can’t believe this has only 1.5 k likes! This is a great episode !

And im so rewatching this episode a few more times, oh how much Dr Hahn has been a blessing to many of us today! Thank you Matt! God bless you!! 🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻

Loved it! There is sooo much depth in our Catholic Faith! Mind blowing. I'm so grateful.

Always a delight, Dr. Hahn. I can always listen to you for hours. Thank you!

Speechless. “Were not our hearts on fire?” That’s how I felt, riveted watching this

I echo the sentiments of the people here. Dr. Hahn is such a great gift from God. I was previously a lost catholic he brought me back thru his books, specifically Rome Sweet Home.May our Lady continue to guide him and strengthen him in his works

Soooooo happy to listen to Dr Hahn anytime

Dr. Scott Hahn and Mr. Matt Fradd I cry as I listen to your conversation, I really pray the Holy Rosary for my daughter and son, so much blessings granted. Thanks be to God Amen. I thank God very much for Dr. Scott Hahn and Pints With Aquinas

To GOD be the GLORY 🙏 highly appreciate Matt's interview of Dr. Hahn, touches one's heart and soul, because of GOD The FATHER'S Love and our Lord JESUS lifegiving sufferring🙏

Completing the circuitry in Christ is a way of helping your children on the way home. Scott, Matt, your dialogues with each other right now. Are prayers. The Lord will fulfill beyond all understanding. I am estranged from my sons, but I am not estranged from Christ when I pray for them at a distance and discussion with others in Christ in faith incarnate.

Wow! Dr Scott Hahn is so great! I feel like I should be taking notes! This is so good!

New subscriber. I could listen to Dr. Hahn talk all day. So spiritually enlightening.

I am watching this on Ash Wednesday and I feel like it is a confirmation from God about the anguish I feel about my children. God really ministered to me through this talk and showed me how I should respond and pray for my children. Thank you so much. Oh and yeah I am ready to forgive Dr Hahn now lol . I didnt realize he despise the celebrity thing. I remember bearing the brunt of that...totally embarrassed going up to get a signature when he and his wife came to Jamaica ...so I am very happy to hear him say God told him , they dont want you they want Me :)

I'm 9 months late to post this for anyone to see, but THANK YOU! for the book recommendation, What Is Redemption. I was raised Lutheran and have been Catholic now for 20 years, but have only just started a "deep dive" into disentangling myself from the grip of "I'm a pile of dung and the Father can only love me because he's looking at Jesus." I look forward to reading the book and continuing the glorious journey into the heart of the Father that loves ME!

It's amazing how intertwined and non contradictory scripture and bible is.

Enjoy Scott's discussions and books over the years. His comment of going to Reconciliation/Confession every week 1:17 is interesting. If that is admirable and/or necessary we need more Priests - at least in our large parish. 😊

Dr. Hahn is such a joy to listen to, thank you so much for having him on again! I ordered his book, and the other book he recommended, I know that both will be enriching spiritually, as well as intellectually.

❤️ Matt you always have the guest I need to hear, thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2 hours! Praise the Lord!

Just love listening to Scott Hahn.. even when hes going to fast for me and I can’t keep up. Lol I will need a recap, and I look forward to more sinking in.

It's always great to listen to your talks with Dr. Hahn! I have some notes made, some new thoughts - and I always feel that Dr. Hahn is trying to simplify the ideas, to reach everyone, never trying to artificially impress us with sophisticated words or mind constructs. I'm grateful and inspired.

Scott, thank you for saying to Matt what you’re saying in Christ. Even though we are the worst of sinners. Matt, sometimes you have to say nothing so that you do not remove all doubt that we are the words to sinners from our.Dyslexic Quay

I am a Protestant that benefits from your work,😊 I am an Anglican, but with an evangelical background.

Thankyou Gentlemen. Praise be to God

Matt interrupts Scott at such an important moment!!! . He was saying that maybe the people who seem holy, maybe are but could not be. What did he say afterwards??? Did he say God knows the heart?

I absolutely love these talks. And the fun questions of "What about Anne Frank or the thief on the cross?" How it was explained to me by my RCIA teacher is that the sacraments were instituted for us but God is not strictly bound to never work outside the sacraments. They should never be downplayed but we also can never say that they are absolute in terms of someone's salvation, especially in those extenuating circumstances. Same idea if the unborn die before they can be baptized. All we can do is place faith in God's mercy in that He can work outside of baptism.

I will not be attending my own mothers funeral because it would be bearing false witness. I do try to call and have somebody who is caring for her. Wish her a blessed day the person doing it I know does it in Christ. Scott, in a backhanded way. Your parents honored your baptismal promises they made, and you made for your children. I was that for being humble I did not give Christ to my children and I am estranged. I have prayed, but I see them in heaven and I know I will, and faith.

Very good explanation of the atonement.

Homem abençoado!

Thanks for answering my question Scott. I actually do own the book you referenced and have been working through it. It's hard when Penal Substitution is literally the air you used to breathe fir so long...

Thank you so, so much for this episode. It is much needed in my spiritual life right now

Quite an excellent conversation. Will listen to again. Thank you

Hallow is awesome! Best part is Jeff cavins daily reflection

Such a wonderful video. Getting ready to watch this again! So many things I didn't know. Thank you, Dr. and Matt.

I think we all want the 7 day, 90 day, whatever specified amount of “days” to holiness because it is something we have control over and can do ourselves. But as Dr. Hahn says, holiness is not what we make ourselves because we can’t achieve or earn our own justification, which is hard to accept sometimes! 😅

Yes....food for my soul...ummmm...I yearn for more after that! Thankyou you Dr. Scott Hahn and Matt Frad 🙏

Amazing. Praise God for this. So delighted.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:01 🙏 Holiness Exploration: Dr. Scott Hahn discusses the concept of holiness and its significance in the spiritual journey. 06:12 🕊️ Holiness and Righteousness: Distinguishes between holiness, pertaining to God's nature, and righteousness or justice, which involves being a good citizen and loving our neighbor. 10:14 🔍 Isaiah's Vision: Explores Isaiah's vision of God's holiness in the heavenly temple, emphasizing the awe, reverence, and transformation it brings. 18:07 🛡️ Sanctification: Holiness involves allowing God to sanctify us, making us His property, and becoming His children, fulfilling His plan for us to become saints. 21:22 🍎 Original Sin: Discusses how original sin resulted in spiritual death, separating humanity from the divine life, and the catastrophic impact it had on human nature. 21:35 📜 Exodus and Holiness: Highlights the explosion of references to holiness in the Book of Exodus, revealing God's emphasis on holiness in the context of salvation history. 21:50 🙏 Holiness is emphasized through various elements in the Old Testament, including sacred objects and sacrifices. 22:19 📜 The Hebrew Bible doesn't refer to individuals as saints but emphasizes being called to holiness. 23:17 🕊️ The Incarnation in the New Testament introduces a new level of holiness, revealing God's hidden plan. 24:12 🌟 The concept of holiness is central in Christianity, surpassing even the Holiness Code of Leviticus. 25:37 🎉 Saints in the Old Testament await the Kingdom's establishment through the Son of Man's return. 27:12 🙌 Jesus' Ascension leads to the repopulation of Heaven, elevating faithful departed souls. 29:15 ✨ Mary fulfills the Ark of the Covenant, containing the Word made flesh, representing a higher holiness. 30:38 🙇 Holiness is not earned by human effort but is given by God through the Holy Spirit. 32:01 🌍 The Church as the family of God transcends human lineages, leading to divinization. 33:38 🌟 Becoming holy involves trusting God's transformative power despite our weaknesses. 36:12 💔 Struggles with sin don't negate holiness, which is bestowed by God's grace. 39:01 🙏 The sacraments are visible signs that convey hidden divine mysteries, sanctifying believers. 41:07 💪 Holiness is achieved not through self-effort but by becoming God's property through the Holy Spirit's work. 43:08 🙏 Holiness requires recognizing belonging to God and transforming daily life into prayer. 44:16 🌟 Holiness is not just for monks or priests; people in everyday life can be holy through their actions and intentions. 45:40 💔 The tendency toward Pelagianism (self-reliance) exists, but humility and dependence on God are essential for true holiness. 48:01 🙇 Prayer is not about changing God's mind, but about allowing God to change our hearts and minds. 49:13 ✝️ Holiness is not about human achievement but about allowing God's grace to work in us through the sacraments. 50:35 🛡️ Holiness is about consecration to God, becoming His property, and letting the Holy Spirit work within us. 51:16 🚪 God's Spirit can move people even before baptism, but we cannot presume the workings of grace. 53:40 🙏 Sacraments make holiness possible, enabling us to want and pursue what God desires for us. 55:46 🌄 Developing a plan of life involving prayer, Mass, and consecration helps foster holiness. 58:02 🏃 Holiness journey is a marathon, not a sprint; growth comes through trials and suffering. 01:02:14 🎭 Suffering is a means of growth; Christ wants to heal our fear of suffering and our dread of death. 01:03:24 🙏 Holiness is diverse and not a one-size-fits-all concept; it's elusive and unique to individuals like Saint Jerome and Maximilian Kolbe. 01:03:51 🙌 Passion for holiness doesn't diminish with age or weakness; it can increase the chance of becoming holy. 01:04:37 📜 Holiness is received through grace and is united with keeping the Commandments, especially worshiping God, calling upon His name, and setting apart the Lord's day. 01:05:45 🛐 Religion calls for sacrifice and worship; the highest form of justice is religio, giving thanks and praise to God always and everywhere. 01:07:22 💔 God-intoxicated humility and honesty lead to offering our anxiety, worry, and weakness in prayer. 01:09:01 🤝 Loving neighbors as oneself is done for the love of God; this is the essence of holiness and righteousness. 01:10:52 🧠 Understanding the call to be perfect as God is perfect involves recognizing His merciful love, power, and patience in our imperfection. 01:14:20 🙏 Salvation is not earned through works; it's by grace and faith. Good works are expressions of faith and receptivity to Divine mercy. 01:18:28 🙌 Prayer is vital; it's where we live out our faith and connect with God's power, especially in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. 01:23:18 🕊️ Trent says that mortal sin can be avoided through exceptional grace, not by human effort alone. 01:24:13 🙏 Praying for sanctification and self-awareness to avoid betraying God. 01:24:40 🙌 Realizing God's commitment to sanctifying us brings comfort. 01:25:48 🕯️ Observing Advent traditions like candles, prayers, and hymns. 01:26:58 ❤️ Learning about holiness and virtue from friends and family. 01:28:09 🙏 Trusting God and praying for children who have left the faith. 01:30:13 📖 Explaining "Our Life, Our Sweetness, Our Hope" in the Hail Holy Queen refers to Mary. 01:32:05 🙌 Overcoming distractions during Rosary prayer with humility and trust. 01:32:46 🙅 Advising against attending weddings outside the Church, which contradicts Catholic beliefs. 01:36:12 🎉 Embracing the joy of the Catholic faith and living as a joyful example to family. 01:39:11 📚 Differentiating between penal substitution and vicarious satisfaction in atonement theology. 01:41:03 🙏 Seeking resources to better articulate Catholic views on atonement when talking to Protestant friends. 01:44:56 🌟 God's law is meant to perfect us through love, turning suffering into passion and sacrifice into love. 01:45:23 🌍 Christ reproduces his love in us, turning pain into passion, leading us to love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. 01:45:52 🤔 Misunderstanding of God's justice leads to misconceptions like penal substitution, where divine justice is seen as punishing Christ instead of satisfying the demand for love. 01:46:48 🛡️ The debt we owe to God is to love Him with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, fulfilling divine justice through love, not legal fiction. 01:47:28 🕊️ Christ satisfies Divine Justice through vicarious satisfaction, uniting us to Him, and empowering us to love God as He has loved us. 01:47:55 💬 A need to challenge and rediscover the truth behind penal substitution, focusing on God's love perfected through the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 01:48:51 📚 Passages like Isaiah 53 and 2 Corinthians 5 might seem to support penal substitution, but interpretations need to be carefully considered and understood in context. 01:50:14 💪 The need to recognize our own shortcomings and not take ourselves too seriously, relying on the grace of the sacraments and regular confession. 01:57:23 🏠 Steubenville, Ohio, showcases that cultural renewal doesn't solely rely on economic prosperity, but on a vibrant Catholic family subculture. 02:00:15 🎓 The Saint Paul Center for Biblical Theology is dedicated to promoting biblical literacy for laypeople and biblical fluency for clergy, transforming how scripture is understood and taught. 02:02:40 🎙️ Dr. Bergsma, a convert and former Protestant pastor, and his contributions to biblical education through the Saint Paul Center are acknowledged and celebrated. 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I have watched this four times now. Soooo good.

Seriously who can watch 2 hours I can. Thank you 😊

As to first 20 minutes, where Dr Hahn basically saying the vertical ( love for God above) , ie, the first three commandments, precedes and prepares and grounds the soul for loving his neighbor as outlined in last seven commandments. In this vein, recall Bonhoeffer’s cherished “ Jesus, a man for others” thematic thrust of Christ character WHEN Jesus himself was really first “a man for the Father” ie, Theo centric and not homocentric . All these observations from Allred Graham the English Benedictine, found in his “ Contemplative Christianity 1974.

Goodness I needed this. Thank you thank you.

Really enjoyed this conversation, thank you both.

Very powerful talk about your fath GOD BLESS ❤❤❤❤❤

This one was really good. Thanks.

Wow this is a amazing man

Great questions by the way!!

What I got from listening: Weakness(and thus reliance upon the Holy Spirit) seems to be the way to holiness.

01:41:00 atonement until 01:51:00

Curious as to what Matt Frad means by " I think things are about to become way worst way quicker than any of us expect" 5:51 Is he talking about persecution? Chaos in the world? Economic colapse? thoughts anyone?

Being in Christ

I love this dialogue, and especially hearing Dr. Hahn answer good questions I’ve had myself. One suggestion: maybe edit out the sighs into your mic? Just a note for sound aesthetics.😅

Amen

Who thinks Matt should do a daily vlog while doing Exodus 90 next year?

What you said about Kimberly wanting what God wants seems to be a key as expressed by Louisapiccarreta as she describes the gift of the divine will of God given to creatures

Is the "lofi" background/waiting video themed uploaded at RU-vid? Really loved the art and music! Need to have it playing at home!

She meaning Mary is a perfect temple of GodSonHolySpirit Scott I play the rosary you give voice to on Hallow

I guess I need to watch these live. Video is stopping buffering at 1:34:00 ish.

Everytime I try to watch this episode it gets stuck loading and never loads. Weird. I'm going to go check rumble.

Anyone else having problems with getting only this video to play on RU-vid? Any other video I click on works fine, but this one won't load anymore for some reason

Mediating on the rosary in Christ is ofGodSonHolySpirit

Hi Mat I tried Hollow and they only offer a 15 da trial not 3 months. Could you help me out on this I live in San Miguel México really enjoy your podcast.

I think the distinction Matt may have been looking for in the 2nd quarter of the discussion may have been to do with piety, rather than holiness. Christ makes us holy. That holiness can then be revealed (or not revealed) through pious action. Just because there is a lack of piety, it does not necessarily follow that there is a lack of holiness. in other words they share a correlative, but not necessarily causative relationship.

What was the book he was talking about called “I believe in love” it sounds really good

Can you get John Mark Comer was m to discuss Sabbath?

I can’t help but wonder if Jesus hadn’t come yet, in history, if we Gentiles would have been concerts to Judaism. (After hearing Dr. Hahn discuss understanding unbelievers today.)

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“Pride comes before the fall” “Unless the Lord builds the house, the workers labor in vain.” “First sell all you have and give it to the poor, then come and follow me.” So much comes flooding the mind when all of this is presented. More is truly less when it comes to holiness.

Which book on the Papacy were you referring to Matt? Curious about its title.

Therese ! (47:22)

27:00 Original Sin and loss of holiness is why Christ finds the righteous patriarchs in limbo of Sheol - the highest expectation for pre-Incarnation men - and then takes them up to Heaven of the Beatific Vision that is opened first and forever by Christ.