Yea they are expensive in the range of what flight sim yokes are but its pretty high end. Check out the sim racing market. Some of the wheel and base combos are way more than this. I'm hoping some entry level options may find their way in to flight sim in the next few years.
I haven't got it ..... yet.... but I think its well worth it. Think about how often you buy something trash that u wish you could have paid more for to get better quality. Well... now that its here... don't get cheap minded. Buy good ONCE.... and you save in the future.
With the sudden influx of Force feedback controls into the flight sim space Brunner is going to have to adjust their pricing. Right now they are strait up ripping off their customers because they were one of the few providers.
Personally I don't think they are ripping anyone off. The deliver yokes at the level if of a high end wheel base for sim racing which can be a similar price. I agree though, that the market is about to get very competitive and can only be great for us simmers.
Force feedback CLS-60 flitesim is more affordable but still about a $1000. Brunner CLS-E MK II about $2000. Rudder pedals & MK II Yoke bundle is about $3600.... If only the price for bundle was 1000, then i buy. For now, i will use a cheaper yoke around 300. Turtle Beach Velocity One Flight and pedals 500. Until force feedback in a bundle around $800... i pass. It's great if its your hobby, not for casual players
Thanks for the detailed and accurate review. I got the smaller version combined with the pedals for 7 months now. This bigger version just did not fit my motion platform and triple screen setup. As a student private pilot, the smaller version is already excellent and very similar to real life. This is a must buy if you are into accurate flight sim setup. It is a no brainer vs some very expensive non force feedback yokes. The difference with my previous honeycomb yoke is night and day.
Yes the neo is up there in price too. Although I've heard the quality of the NEO yoke wheel is like it just got pulled from a real plane. Has anyone used the NEO?
How is the ffb with100% setting is it too strong for most airplanes ? Is it needed to have 110N pitch force or 40-60N of ffb is good enough to fly a big airplane like 737 or 747 ? Thanks
Totally agree that we should be able to change yoke heads with ease. I also agree with the software part. Even though I lost days trying to understand it and make accurate profiles and gotten to an ok level of understanding, I still believe they can make it a lot more user friendly without dumbing down any of the existing features. Just some good UI/UX...
I have a Brunner CLS MKII yoke since two years and you're absolutely right about everything. Once you go in FFB way there is no going back to Spring/Bungee yokes. Beside the advantages that you mentioned I'd like to add one more thing. When you're trimmed for landing you don't feel any weight on the yoke but as you start rounding out the plane and during the flare, as you reduce the throttle you'd feel the weight of the yoke/plane pulling forward as the plane gets out of trim again and this really makes controlling the flare much easier, more accurate and controlled compared to fixed resistance yokes/joysticks.
How are your fixing this to your desk? I have a mixed use desk so I can’t screw anything to it. I currently use a Yoko+ yoke clamp, and this works very well. I don’t know why they didn’t make one of these.
I have the NG, and I agree that it is the trimming that makes it all worthwhile. I use hardware trim setting, so that the yoke stays in place and just the pressure changes. Looks like you use software trim mode? I had to go back to my Honeycomb Alpha when I had a problem with the Brunner, and oh my god it was awful. It was such a downgrade I switched to a joystick while waiting for the Brunner issue to be fixed.
I spotted the wheel size before you commented on it. Good for ‘small’ hands but even your mits looked over sized. P.S. You could get 10 hours on a REAL aircraft for that price.
Not sure if you're saying I have all hands or not lol 🤣. Yea it's about 15% smaller than than a bonanza yoke I think. It doesn't bother me at all but I think important for folks to know
I started using this yoke a few days ago, after managing to DIY the installation of the yoke and rudder on my simrig. I playing around with the TBM850 after adapting the profile of the TBM 930, after some trial and error wow I must say that I am learning to fly the plane in the simulator again. Fly the PMDG it’s a beauty too. This yoke makes you tired too, I just would love to find profiles for more plane. I am very happy with this yoke I saw your first reviews and decided to buy it.
Yes! As I know the only rig made for Brunner hardware out of the box are the one from MTSIM monstertech. I had to purchase one of their plates specifically made for the Brunner rudder and DIY it to my Track racer, because standard sim racing plates don't work.
Fantastic bit of kit. I agree that either changing the buttons or allowing for interchangeable heads would be nice as I think honestly Honeycomb has a more true-to-life setup than this which feels too "neutral" or generic in terms of buttons and hats.
I can imagine the smaller size of the yoke is probably helping the yoke remain tight and functional. if it was too big the forces exerted may cause loosening of some sort. I think they have already pre-thought this through. A good choice i think. Id rather have a smaller yoke that works like a horse for a long time than a bigger one that doesn't.
screwing it down is not the only way to mount it. You can make some custom clamp system for the front brackets and use double sided mounting tape for the back. Been using it like that for years without damaging the desk. The problem is when you want to mount it under the desk. I would need to put some L brackets on the top of the yoke and drill some holes in the case to be able to do that :(
Hello, it has been the 10. of April 24 (so 11 days) when my Brunner CLS MKII was delivered. On the main screen is says FLT (flight-time) 28:11:45 (hr:min:sec). this is the flight-time....., not sim-on-time or tinkering the profiles.... it is rearly adictive, Oh btw... X-Plane 12.0.9 compartible! no regrets, not for a single penny best regards Peter
@@g-locmedia One thing to purchase one, were / are your videos / reviews. And I have a few hours on real planes ( PA28, C172, C185 ) and I felt something was missing in the sim, eaven in X-Plane. Yes, I love my MKII ! 28:11:45 (hr:min:sec) that is nearly three hours a day plus the tinkering in the start. I will purchase the CLS MKII Pedals soon (very soon) 😇
I fly a Brunner yoke, and rudder pedals that came with my Precision Flight Controls FAA-certified sim. I fly and teach in real life and use my sim to teach as well as log instrument time on and just have fun. The Brunner gear is the heart of my sim. With a LOT of work, it can be made to feel nearly exactly like the real aircraft. The downfall is the software. I'm a tech guy, and even for me, it is extremely difficult to use, and the documentation isn't very good. Yes, there's an explanation for each item in the software, but there's no explanation for what the functions actually do or what influence they have on the yoke... it is all trial and error, and it is quite frankly a pain in the a**. But even with that issue, I'd never use any other product for yoke or rudder.
I recently purchased the Brunner NG based off your recommendation. Would you consider making a video on software configuration and saving profiles for planes?
@@g-locmedia im currently working on building a CNC so I can create the panels for my Cessna 72 replica so Im a long time (and money) away from adding a yoke
Hello mate. Unfortunately I have never tried any flitesim products. On the surface though the value seems to be there but I can't comment on what that are actually like.
The trick is to select the optimal profile (if available for your plane), so you don't have to tweak the advanced settings. I do like that they have exposed all the settings for those who want to. I have no regrets buying this yoke! Lots of force! Force feedback is especially helpful if you want that extra realism for flight training. I used the yoke display to keep an eye on how much force is applied by the yoke when tuning the parameters. PS I have the Bravo quadrant too and you might have notice how you have to turn the trim wheel a lot more than in real life! I hope to find a way to increase the resolution to better match the control in the plane...I might need to write a piece of software for that.
I wonder if it could replicate the forces required on a BN2A. (Brittan Norman Islander). Once described as the ‘Bull Worker’ of the skies due to its heavy controls. 😂
Great advice for anyone. So you use the gauge to make sure your not clipping the FFB? I tell you I's love someone to make a good trim wheel. The bravo trim wheel actually inputs key clicks to turn. This is why its always been a bit crap.
I would love if the turbulences would be accurate to the weather conditions in MFS. Often, it seems like the yoke reacts to arbitrary turbulence data, rather than what's actually occurring in the simulation. Perhaps this discrepancy is why you find the experience more realistic in X-Plane. I suspect it stems from the insufficient weather data provided by MFS, which gives it that "random" feel.
There are also other options available nowadays, which are a bit more affordable. You can also DIY with servo motor/controller 'kits' for even more savings. Unfortunately I have never tried a Brunner, so cannot say if the other options are better/worse, but they seem to have similar if not more capability. For comparison link to a video of my DIY stick and yoke setups ru-vid.compDfqp2lq-_k
The only thing that I could see myself using that integrated display for, is the stop watch. That is handy for timing the outbound leg of any instrument approaches procedure turn, for timing the outbound leg of a any hold, or even to calculating your distance traveled on the ground in any non precision approach that only uses distances as references.
Good video and a great sell for a force feedback yoke in general. Your setup is great at showing the various forces that interact with an aircraft. An FFB yoke fits right in.
Great review on the Brunner yoke! Been thinking of getting this yoke for quite a while now, but pricing and taxes is a major factor. But like you said, top tier quality FFB sim racing steering wheels and pedals have similar price point as well. Not sure if you heard of the upcoming FFB yoke by Flitesim? Better priced, similar Newton force and pitch travel but bigger footprint, which is a thing to consider for cockpit builders. Unsure of its overall performance until it’s being reviewed though. Aesthetically Brunner wins. By the way, do we need to purchase the CLS2Sim License to use the Brunner yoke, pedals etc? Or does it come packaged with the Yoke, pedals etc? Also, any future plans to review the Brunner CLS-E Airbus joystick? 😉
Hello mate. Thanks so much. Yea the flitesim.com is quite interesting. I'm keen to see what it's like for the price. As for the software it actually comes with it. You only need to pay the extra for a commercial install. Private use you'll be all good.
Also I would like to put some time in to getting to know the stick. You're not the first person to ask about it. I've had quite a few messages and emails asking for my thoughts on it. I might reach out to Brunner and see what's possible.
Great review on the MKII. As an owner of this yoke paired with the CLS-E rudder, I agree 100% on your thoughts. The build quality is top notch and the flying is experience is a "I'm never going back" one. Dialing in the profile settings in CLS2Sim, is a steep learning curve with many parameters to consider depending on the sim and aircraft in use. It would be nice if Brunner opened up configuration to allow specific SIMVARs and LVARs to be used as it seems developers seem to have differences in how their product is intergrated in the sim. Regarding the display, I use the stopwatch/timer function and don't really care much for the other displays. Cheers, Mick
@@g-locmedia For sure! I really like the quality feel of the yoke handle and thus far, there are no wear and tear artifacts evident. Everything is as tight as the day of unboxing. Regarding no switch, a switched mains outlet dedicated to the Brunner gear solves this issue.
@@g-locmedia They are a small business making extremely expensive toys for a very niche group of people. I cant find a single review that isn't sponsored by Brunner. It appears their customer support has already tanked according to their forums. 1. Extremely expensive item. 2. Small quantity sales (probably) 3. small business 4. Bad customer service. IMO, that's the perfect recipe to not be around in a few years based off my personal observations of other companies who have tried to enter the flight sim market over the last 20 years.
I don't get the screen on the Yoke. What is it supposed to replicate? I would think anyone who can afford this thing, may be able to display any G1000 or PFD on some dedicated or main monitors. I know they need to justify the price of the product by adding extra features, but this?
