The HORRIFIC Interrogation Of Catherine Howard - Fifth Wife To Henry VIII 

That's what I was thinking! No amount of Jewelry money etc would get me to be with Henry the eighth especially in his later years!

Oh yeah. I too worked in a hospital. I remember well. I just walked by a room and oh my. I wondered how to poor pt was still alive.

Some people will do a lot for power and high position.

@@bluerock4456 and some had no say in the matter. A female being told "be 'good' to him" and "get in the sack with him"

@@Contessa6363 I'm trying to think of a few modern ladies of fame - who might be prepared to give him a go. I can think of at least 3....

I agree! I can see how Catherine may have gotten into it because she was young and didn’t quite realize the gravity of the situation - the king was giving her gifts and spoiling her, she must have been complacent and thought he would surely forgive her anything. Culpepper may have also thought he’d get away with it because the king liked him. In fact, he did get a more merciful death than Dearham. But at the same time I think that Catherine would have been aware of Henry’s previous wives and Culpepper would, too, have been aware that those close to the king fell, too. I do think it’s much more likely that it wasn’t a case of simple frivolousness. Culpepper possibly blackmailed her. Perhaps someone was behind him too. We may never know. But I agree this whole situation is very fishy.

@@tokkia1384 You make very good points as to Katherine's naive mindset concerning Henry's spoiling her. He probably sheltered her from seeing his true nature and vindictive paranoia. Which begs the question, how could this affair have been kept a secret from him? He was grossly obese and his health had been failing, his leg wounds and putrid smell are a matter of historical record. Queen Anne had previously stated aloud that he was impotent. Katherine seemingly had alleviated this to some effect, but was it enough for him to father another child? Did Henry enlist Culpepper (a personal body servant) in a bedroom threesome for his own voyeurism pleasure, and to ensure that a new heir to the throne is born? Thereby, keeping his dignity and virile reputation intact? Once it became known, was Culpepper and Katherine then sacrificed to protect Henry's reputation? The head of the Church of England had to be a paragon of virtue. Why else the more merciful death for Culpepper? Henry was once again the cuckold husband and cuckold King. A thing not easily forgiven a second time. The million dollar question is why did Henry allow any of his two queens infidelity to become public in the first place? Surely, his pragmatic counselors would have advised just doing away with them by poison or an unexpected fatal accident. No fuss or messy public disclosure. Deed done. Move on. Who pushed the idea of going public and subjecting Henry to public ridicule? What was their agenda? No lady in waiting, knowing the story of Anne's downfall, would have kept completely silent and risked the wrath of the King. Not only for themselves, but their families could also face ruin. We both agree, too much of this story makes no sense whatsoever.

@@Justificus that is a spicy theory! I personally don’t think this would be the case. Henry was extremely obsessed with his own personal power, dominance and appearance. Nothing at court stays secret for very long and such a venture would certainly be a blow to the kings reputation. The child would also not be his and the whole reason for his obsession was to continue the Tudor line. It didn’t necessarily matter as much to him if the mother of the child was a mistress (though it was still a problem) but the whole point was for the child to be a Tudor. Even if he could hide it, he would never consider such an option because of his ego and because of the issue of the succession. Also he was (hypocritically, but still) religious and considered himself to be of sacred flesh. Sure he could justify adultery but the kind of arrangement you propose would have been beyond him I feel. As for Culpepper I’m sure his mercy was simply out of the fact that he had liked him. Also politically, he would have been likely encouraged to show clemency occasionally. It is not politically advantageous to be Vlad the Impaler.

@@tokkia1384 Admittedly, mine is an "over the top" theory and very speculative. Yet, Henry was very concerned that his line go forward. A second son (his or not) would be an insurance policy against his first born being harmed or assassinated. There would be another male Tudor in the wings (legitimate or not) as a backup. His reputation as having been already a cuckold King across Europe, subjecting him to laughter and ridicule, would have been unbearable. He had to prove his virility at all costs. Katherine would have been watched with close scrutiny for any deviation or inclination of infidelity. Her ladies in waiting would have been Henry's spies. At this point in his reign, Henry had dispatched more than a hundred individuals, all sacrificed to his raging paranoia of treason lurking everywhere. Henry was not a merciful or forgivng person. A close loving friend, advisor, and lifelong companion (Thomas More) he executed as traitor and heretic. He was dispatched with three blows of an axe. No French swordsman there. No mercy. An obstacle removed. Immediately after Anne's execution, he married Jane. No sense wasting time and no need to hold a respectable mourning period before making a royal son. Where he deviated from drawing and quartering his enemies, was when he had been emotionally close to that person. Culpepper had to have been someone close to Henry. The second cuckold affair would have made Henry seem a weak ruler almost beyond belief. Culpepper had no noble claims for mercy. On the contrary, the maximum example of severe punishment was very much in order. The reputation of Crown and Country was on trial. During the Pilgrimage of Faith, Henry was ruthless in the killings of thousands of "traitors." So... spicy indeed is my theory, but Henry was beyond conventionalism at this stage, and his marriage to a teenager was barely accepted or respectable even in that era. Something made Culpepper a special case to Henry and his Privy Council. My theory might properly belong in the National Enquirer, but Henry was one sick and twisted soul, and capable of almost any mental gymnastics and self-aggrandizing behavior. This may need a screenplay!

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I agree, Catherine was a good, decent person. She doesn't deserve the slut shaming she received for centuries. She was a teenage girl forced into an arranged marriage with a cruel, middle aged man.

@@leonieromanes7265 I didn’t know that she was “forced” into marriage. It seems to me that she wanted to become Queen. It was foolish of her to carry on with Culpepper, knowing the fate of Ann Boleyn.

@@leonieromanes7265 Blame her overly ambitious scheming family, Leonie.

Good grief. Fact is she (together with her conniving family) hid her history from the King. Not a smart manoeuvre, that. Whether or not she was a good person is as nothing next to that. I note your nom de plume ... perchance you are a musician?

@@bluerock4456 Why would Henry expect a virgin, when he was far from one himself.

Narrator wasn't speaking innocently or anything, that's genuinely what people normalized and fully believed- a girl, a literal child, willingly sexually had a past. Not too far out of reach unfortunately being that women in general were and still even are blamed for when men get predatory.

Miriam (better known as Mary, mother if Christ) was about that same age when she was called to bear the Messiah Female being 15-16 is not a little girl, the problem here was that she was so used and regarded as worthless when it should have been the opposite, the most respectable and worthy of all ladies in the Court.

PRESENTISM. JUST SHUT UP OMG

Yes and she was considered old…. There was no such thing as a teen back then

Don't disregard she did have a chance in society for the period. Nothing has changed except acceptable age. That doesn't fix inequality.

Queen Howard was a martyr Not only did she wait a year for bloody henry to get it up and give it to her hard but bc of his impotence and illness affecting him, no erections, she got mixed up with ppl who eventually put her at high risk and her neck was on the line though she was only 19 The military forces should have chopped that nasty barbarian ruler who made up a "treason" crime in order to kill the teen Queen. What a disgrace. Hope henry got what he deserved

*poor girl

Not so much evil as negligent. But she really was too naive and romantically minded to be able to find her way throgh the intrigue so rife at the Tudor Court. And Henry had no business marrying a girl that young.

Catherine was from a poor branch of the Howard family and lost her mother when she was small. So she was easy to overlook, being lower status and a girl. People saw her as disposable.😔

True that! Though she does seem somewhat precocious for her age...all more reason for a stronger hand...sounds like too many people to govern effectively

@@harrietharlow9929 don’t forget the Wicked Step-Grannyas it was said slapped Katheryn when she found out about Manox.

Women from the aristocracy didn't get away with eloping.

Adultery is not a cool thing

Hindsight is 20/20.

@@Happy-fu7fb yes that is true. But there was the very clear example of Anne of Cleves who agreed to a pre contract with Duke (?) of Lorraine making the marriage illegitimate and that worked easily enough to just “cancel” the marriage. Of course for someone as young as Catherine she may not have known such details and It seems Catherine didn’t have anyone to give her rational practicable legal advice.

But she wasn't. To be pre-contracted they would have needed the permission of Katherine's guardians to the marriage which since they were never mentioned seems to imply they were unaware of what Deerham and Katherine were doing. Simply saying that you wanted to marry someone didn't count as being pre-contracted because the clue is in the word: it was a legal contract.

Dereham was a chancer.

There were no guarantees, no certainties with Henry VIII.

It’s almost like she was a literal teenager that was under the control of the men in her life 😐

she was a very stupid young girl

It probably wasn’t Catherine but instead someone related to Jane Seymour is what I heard

there are some evidence that he was actually in his latest teens or early twenties

@@JR47846 but she would have still been 12-13 at the time of their involvement so…

Duly noted. And your contribution to the discussion of content is . . . . . . where?

There have always been methods to avoid pregnancy.

@@bluerock4456 And there have always been times when some birth control methods have failed resulting in unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. And I can't believe that you did not know that.

@@shesaknitter please believe me when I write that I did know that. Now go back & pick up that stitch that you dropped in surprise.

@@bluerock4456 It takes more than that to cause me to drop a stitch!

@@shesaknitter Hah!

Archbishop Thomas Cranmer is the man she’s referring to.

@@leticiagarcia9025 Thankee!

@@thomashazlewood4658 spelling wasn’t standardized in Tudor times, so you can be forgiven for misspelling it anyway. in primary sources of the time sometimes names and words are spelled in different ways all in the same sentence. So sometimes you will see “Anne Boleyn” written as “Ann Bullen”.

@@tokkia1384 these videos have frequent spelling mistakes that were made in modern times. e.g. when the videos were compiled.

totally agree

Yeah, implying awful physical torture..? The men certainly got that.

No

@@bpnk5237 he defiantly should have. it was now of his business.

ridiculous. If he found out that Cath was unfaithful and did not tell the king, he'd be for the chop next

Yeah, I’m hearing her say ‘CRAMner’ too … repeatedly.

And Risley!

@@mlirwin8572 This mistake is beyond annoying in a historical video. The detail is easy enough to get right.

@@erynlasgalen1949 I’ve deleted entire comments before posting because I wasn’t sure I spelled correctly and fear RU-vid rebuttal but you are right.

Yawn.

Oh Christ - so what? *GET OVER IT.*

@@Leno323 Grow up, child. Accuracy counts (except, apparently, with you)! By the way, numerous viewers noted the same egregious error. If this so-called historian cannot even get the simple pronunciation of a key historical figure's easily pronounced name correct, they should not be posting historical videos at all !!! (I learned Cranmer's correct name in elementary school !!!) Perhaps YOU are the one who should "get over it" ??!!😳😳🤔🤔 oh, and by the way, must you take the Lord's name in vain!? -- an obvious deficiency in both manners and vocabulary!!!!!

@@garywait3231 *GET A LIFE* She messed up his name cry me a river. Archbishop Cranmer has been dead for over 500 years. I don’t think he’ll mind. Also historical accuracy is important but when talking about film and television, some creative licensing will be taken for *ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES.* It is *NOT* the end of the world. *Get a life & GET A GRIP.*

Your comment is puny-minded, utterly contemptible, historically unsound, dramatically ridiculous, and unworthy of further notice or commment. I am a well-respected and published historian, who prides himself in getting my facts right. Can either you, or the "CraMNerist" you are at such pains to defend, offer any credible such credentials? Enuf sed!! 🤔🤔🤨🤨🙄🙄

Women or girl bleed on their first time?? If done right?! Never happened to me, thank God 😂

You are very mistaken. A girl's hymen can be broken many ways not of a sexual nature. It is common among serious athletes. Also, there is not necessarily bleeding during the first intercourse, it is dependent on the woman's hymen (especially the thickness) and the nature of the penetration (and caring of her partner). The bleedings is so unreliable that in some cultures, a chicken is killed and nearby for other women friends/relatives of the new wife to put blood on the sheets because it is so commonly believed.

Certainly back in those days they believe that all virgins bled and many woman ‘cut’ themselves knowing they weren’t virgins. Seen as we weren’t there at the time of consummation, we don’t know if Catherine did bleed or if she harmed herself to make out she was a virgin. In this day and age we now know that not all woman bleed the first time for many different reasons. It’s not about ‘doing it right’ as you have said 🤣

As Henry stated his belief that Anne of Cleves was not a virgin when it is pretty certain that she was, he appears to have not been much of an expert in this area.

@@neilbuckley1613 Many men cannot tell the difference. It's not like they give classes in it. As for him, he was so fat and not likely very spry so would be more impeded than most men. I suspect he was barely able to even do the deed.

Catherine was a CHILD groomed by people around her are you suggesting that a 15 year old child who had a relation with a 30+ year old man is at fault. She said she was raped , her saying that was a reason she died , not all rape victims react the same , some go into shock and don't scream which may very well have been the case, she was just a girl who was abused by everyone around her , even culpepper is believed to have been blackmailing her , just shut up omg

@@Jvdyyy Hmmm, I've posted a lengthy, very informative reply to you twice and twice it's disappeared. There were no personal insults, not even after you rudely said, "just shut up omg". The first time I thought it was a glitch, but twice? I'm beginning to suspect Her Remarkable History is engaging in some censorship here. Let's see what happens to this.

@@Jvdyyy there are evidences that he wasnt in his 30 but late teens or early twenties

She was a child. God damn it.

@@GhostFan4Life One word:. Presentism. Look it up.