The House of Tudor - Real Faces - English Monarchs - Henry VII - Elizabeth of York - Prince Arthur 

That infection after first stillbirth, had truly ruined everything for them. They'd probably have lots of healthy kids otherwise.

@@maearcher4721 I wasn't aware of that. I always thought it strange that Catherine had problems with producing healthy children. How ironic it is that her sister Joanna, who was not of sound mind, produced a large number of children, while Catherine, who was an emotionally stable and highly intelligent problem, was unable to produce a healthy male heir. Then again, Anne Boleyn had the same problem and even though Jane Seymour did finally manage to produce the long awaited male heir, he died at a young age.

@@susangavaghan All the matters you spoke about are more complicated. I'll try to explain. Juana was not completely crazy. She was emotionally not so well always when relatives of her died or when she was pregnant or when her husband's mistress was involved. (the proven cases of her unstable behaviour) But i think she didn't even need to be seriously mentally ill. For example emotional rollercoster women with ADHD experience would be enough-and ADHD is no mental illness. Juana was also highly intelligent and well educated-but the emotional instability impared it and she was certainly not a strong personality that Catherine was. I am not sure if Juana was capable of ruling, but i don't think Juana needed to be locked up. It's weird that even some documentaries didn't pick upon that infection-and instead claim it was phantom pregnancy-which usually happens when women are desperate for baby. Catherine lost just 1 baby, she was young-there was no reason for her to be desperate yet. Something was very wrong for her to be 'bigger than any other pregnant woman'. It's surprising she could even deliver living baby afterwards, because some women would be barren for life. Imo, Catherine had hard time deliver baby full term, afterwards and obviously babies weren't as well supplied as they should. Otherwise more babies born at beginning of 3rd trimester would make it and Mary wouldn't be so tiny. Well, Anne's issues imo were bit different. She delivered first baby alright, but lost 2 other babies. So she could have that condition when it is ok to deliver first baby, but nowadays you have to get injection of something to have healthy 2nd baby. I think that was Rh something. Anne could also have some damage from 1st miscarriage, but tbh she wasn't married for long. Isabella of Castile had 1 daughter, then 7 years no living child, and then rest of her children. Anne might have had no big issue except Henry's impatient nature. 3 Tudor males died in their teens-Edward IV, Arthur Tudor and Henry Fitzroy. Perhaps their imune system wasn't that good at that age.

@@maearcher4721 Regarding Joanna's mental health, I got the following from Wikipedia: As a young woman, Joanna was known to be highly intelligent. Claims regarding her as "mad" are widely disputed.[24] It was only after her marriage that the first suspicions of mental illness arose. Some historians believe she may have suffered from melancholia, a depressive disorder, a psychosis, or a case of inherited schizophrenia.[25]: 9  She may also have been unjustly painted as "mad" as her husband Philip the Handsome and her father, Ferdinand, had a lot to gain from Joanna being declared sick or incompetent to rule.[26] The narrative of her purported mental illness is perpetuated in stories of the mental illness of her maternal grandmother, Isabella of Portugal, Queen of Castile, in widowhood exiled by her stepson to the castle of Arévalo in Ávila, Castile.[25]: 12 . I agree there may have been more to these claims than meets the eye. There were reports that she kept her husband's body with her after his death.

@@susangavaghan I think her parents and her husband were all unsympathetic and not understanding to whatever issue she had. And that can seriously set you back if youre trying to battle emotional instability. And yep, her husband and her dad both had lot to gain from declaring her mad and Philip forged her signiture on document which said she declared him her co-ruler. It is proven-so certainly he was shady and I know from other event that Ferdinand himself was dishonourable man and that personal gain was for him way more than any relative or any of his daughters. So I wouldn't put it pass either man to label her as mad(using previous mental illness as explanation why she suddenly got mad) and to even psychologically be abusive, to try to push her over the edge. Though i believe rumours of Juana's physical torture is without historical evidence. As for Juana supposedly opening her husband's coffin and wanting to be near him. I get wanting to be nearing-some people simply love others so much, they want to visit the grave often etc. But there is no credible source from that time about the coffin opening and kissing of the corpse, so I think that might have been false. At those days if you wanted to discredit somebody you used the very worst, the nastiest rumours to do it. Popes were often accused of being homosexuals for example(which for clergyman was way wore stand just having female mistress), women of being nymphomanics or mad(or hysterical, simple-minded, etc. Necromancy falls perfectly into the category-of really nasty rumours.

Which is interesting, giving the way they began!

Oh go ahead and dive into the pool with us! There are so many books! Tv shows too, but the novels are where it’s at :)

@@catherinedurbin9298 😂😊👏

If you're on the verge you will be over the precipice soon enough, trust me...

the Tudors 🥳would not be 👍if it was not for Henry the 7 th s mum 👸🏼👸🏼👸🏼the queen of the Tudors 🌹🌹🌹

@@markvarley2962 you bet 👍

All the best mate. I had a few serious back injuries myself as I was working as a baggage loader in an airport a few years back, and I know how it's like.

@@panagiotisconstantinou Listen to your body, I kept working thinking it was just stress. Never did I imagine anyone can get a spinal cord injury from a herniated disk. I’m so blessed the doctor found it and stopped me from being paralyzed. Back pain is bad but this is hell on earth. I look normal so no can imagine how painful it is unless they live it. So listen to your body when it hurts. What part of the world are you located? And pls keep making these videos. 🙏🏼

Best wishes to u for staying so upbeat through all the pain. god bless u.

@@benbim540 Amen! Thank you! I joke around so much I often have to remind my husband how much crazy pain I’m in. On top of the SCI, I have a ton of health issues due to autoimmune problems. Thanks for the reply! Appreciate it!

@@Luisana619 You are most welcome. keep staying strong.

It may be best to think of royal portraits as if they were using the best filters possible.

Henry was a bit of a heartthrob in his youth. He was a big athletic bear of a man. When he got older, he larded on the pounds. By the time he died, he was a mess.

@Sewing With Lawayne Exactly, and it's also theorized that he had brain damage from the accident which affected his mood and temper negatively.

Elizabeth of York was fine

Want to know a secret? I could have come top of the school in grade V11. I came equal first because , at 11 years old, I refused to put that King Richard killed the princes in the Tower. My teacher was very disappointed and we will not discuss here my mother’s reaction! Hubby managed to get us to England and York in 2003. At York they had a courtroom set up above Monks Bar. Based on Josephine Teys book. Defence versus prosecution. I climbed those stairs and wrote my answer. Said to the lady there “ I’ve been waiting since I was 11 years old to do that”. Then dashed to make the tour bus. Sorry so long but you sound like a history lover like me. And it is/was a secret! 🙏🙏🙏👵👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

Thanks! Pam, I’m 60 I feel the same way! My kids and grandkids have no clue how advanced society & technology is now compared to the late 1960’s &?1970’s when I grew up. This is so fascinating! I love how he gives life to these people from history we only know from paintings ( some depict these people from this Tudor era are not very attractive , well “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” so they say! I love how these portraits just came alive! And they look rather handsome! Not like their original portraits . ( strictly , my opinion)

@@gonefishing167 , now I'm going to have to dig into this.. I always thought that the supposition of Richard killing his own nephews could have been smear campaign or frame job. I've never studied it . now Im sure to. Interesting , thanks.

All I remember from History is learning about the Battle of Hastings. I'm now a teaching assistant and love supporting in History lessons, it's fascinating.

I agree Pam, history would of been so interesting if we would of had google and the Internet back then. Instead we got boring old 😴🥱 teacher's. I didn't learn anything other than nap time 😂

He became obese because of an injury caused by a jousting accident. His waist was 140 cm.

@@panagiotisconstantinou yes! I know but it still amazes me. There is a suit of his armor at The Met in NYC. Every time I see it I think they misattributed it as it’s relatively slim. Can you imagine my arrogance thinking the curators are wrong?!? I crack myself up 😂😂😂

There is a theory Henry viii had inherited metabolic disease, underactive thyroid and then diabetes, infections that come with these, one of many theories. Murderous tyrant. I always thought Edward IV, Elizabeth of York, Henry viii all had the same very heavy square jaw as Richard iii ? No matter, thanks so much really enjoyed this.

It's very impressive work, but keep in mind that it's "speculation", not "fact"...

@@panagiotisconstantinou eating like a pig had nothing to do with it lol

Thanks, I was wondering about that! So it's not a disease that exists today, or is called somethig different today?

Yes its a virus that can kill within 4 hours.

@@monmothma3358 No its not active at the moment. The problem is that they dont know what triggers it or when it will come again. because it came and went away but it did come back later as well.

@@-_YouMayFind_- Well, thankfully if and when it comes back we’ll be better prepared to face it than the people of this time period.

One theory is Hantavirus.

You think so? I see her more like her father, she was tall and well built like him too, she has her mother's colouring though. Definitely a looker.

I agree. I think that sometimes, people discount that “painters then” couldn’t paint to capture. I’ve noticed that also with John of Gaunt and Henry IV (Bolingbroke). And even Henry VIII and Edward IV, his grandfather.

What about Owen Tudor? Wasn't he first maybe

Right? She sounded like such a badass

@@alieganhouse2442 She was driven by her faith and a belief that her piety would bring her son to the throne. Whenever a Yorkist had the throne, her life was in peril. One time she escaped a castle minutes before they came to get her, and she rode through the night. She also made a couple of advantageous marriages with men who respected her piety. I think she was a bit of a badass king's mother. Henry's wife had to battle against her. The Red Queen and The White Queen by Hilary Mantel tell their stories and the books have been dramatised. Sorry to go on! ☺️

Tudor's History is really interesting! I never stop to know about them! I like the video and the music ! Good job!

@@gothicwestern I’ve heard about that book!!! I really want to read it! Also, when she escaped that castle on horseback, was this right after she had given birth and was leaving her son for the first time with his uncle, Jasper Tudor, from Pembroke Castle? I know she left only because she needed to go and find a husband in order for herself, but most important Henry, to be overall safe for the future! All I know too is that she literally was on horseback for an ungodly amount of hours when she should’ve been bedridden from her tumultuous experience giving birth……AT 13, YIKES! Tough little cookie she was. Idk why but I imagine her to be this tiny thing (all throughout life, not just at that young age when she gave birth) with this super sassy attitude, in a classy way I would say lol, and a meticulous way of being able to be manipulative without being super obvious and transparent about it! (Sorry this post was so long Lmfao this stuff is just always so fascinating to learn!!!!!)

Brilliant! Simply brilliant! I never could have imagined seeing these fascinating young royals looking so natural, youthful, and expressive -- as opposed to their tight-lipped, stern-faced portraits. I truly enjoyed every comment -- particularly about Margaret Beaufort's perilous escape on horseback after childbirth at 13!!! (Me at 13? Escaping school on bike. Me after childbirth & episiotomy & breastfeeding? Laid-up for weeks!) Bravo, Margaret!!!

no she was a murderous woman who stopped at nothing to put her son on the throne which he should not have been. to do this she murdered the true king edward 5 and his brother richard. the tudors perpetuated the myth it was richard 3 to cover up their traitorous behaviours and secure the throne on henry.

@@margaret097 You do realise that Philippa Gregory's books are historicsl fiction, right? Nobody thinks Margaret Beaufort actually killed the princes in the tower!

@@margaret097the princes in the tower survived there is new evidence to support this.

Margaret was only 13 years older than Henry???? Well she did outlive him by a few months.

​@@margaret097Yeah I'm not sure about Phillipa Gregory's take on the story. In the trilogy showing on STARZ.....The White Queen, The White Princess, and The Spanish Princess......theyve got Margaret (played by 3 different actresses) as quite the villainess. They even make Richard III kind of attractive and not even so bad a guy. But it's Historical Fiction.....

To die in childbirth at 37 was successful, because she had so many kids? So glad I wasn’t around then. Just being born female must have been extra bad luck. One out of three births killed the mother, I read once, and do many children died young.

@@ApacheMagic To talk about death in childbirth when referring to a fifteenth/sixteenth century queen is presentism, which I tend not to like. The purpose of a royal marriage was to perpetuate the dynasty and the foremost duty of a queen was to produce male heirs, so by that measure, the most important one when speaking of the marriage of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, it was a successful marriage. But in addition, all available evidence indicates that Henry and Elizabeth grew to really love each other, despite the fact that theirs was a marriage arranged for political purposes, and that they had never met at the time they were betrothed. So by that measure as well, the one more pleasing to modern minds, it was a successful marriage.

Elizabeth I never happens and England gets conquered by Spain.

But Henry VIII wouldn't have happened either lol

It is odd. But they all would look just like people now.

they're from different bloodlines. The house of Tudor came to an end with Elizabeth I

That’s so crazy!! Crazy but amazing 🙌🏻 I literally believe in reincarnation so I’ve got a few theories of what you described lol

Purely coincidental

@@arkamukhopadhyay9111the royal family is still a direct descendant of Elizabeth of York though through her daughter Margaret

I’ve red several books on the brothers. They were said to be polar opposite’s. Arthur more studious, serious natured, but kind & would have been a great king. Henry was a typical “spare”, spoilt & indulged. He wanted to win back Englands properties in France. He enjoyed sports & excelled at them. Definitely a wild headstrong young man.

They were 5 years apart in age. All of the Tudor kids looked like their Mom. I believe Henry VIII's psychotic tendencies stemmed from him losing his Mom at 12 years old as well as his Dad placing so much pressure on him to be the heir that he had to be after Arthur's death. Had Arthur lived, Henry may not have been psycho. He may have just lived a fun, jovial life of learning and ladies...

There is some debate that a head injury is what caused Henry VIII to become a tyrant. He had a huge personality change after that injury.

@@MsMorri Leg injury from the same incident that never healed, too. He was in constant pain, and that makes people into jerks.

@@krismikewill That too, but it was likely the head injury that really did it. Other serial killers (not all) have had similar injuries and have had a similar personality change. I should add though, this doesn't always happen and I don't think there has been enough study to say exactly why this happens. Many people with head injuries are good people.

Anne Boleyn was not a red head.

Anne was said to have dark hair and dark eyes, not red hair.

@@emilycopeland8313 actually I’ve read a lot of books on Tudor history and she had dark auburn hair brown with reddish tint

Elizabeth's coloring was always her visible claim to truly being Henry's daughter

I think coloring is strange to describe because it's always relevant to that population. Just like when ancient Greeks described light hair, they meant a light brown, and not platinum blonde, the English describing Anne's hair as dark, might mean that they weren't blonde or something. The portraits show dark auburn hair.

It was said that Elizabeth of York was very pretty. Her mother Elizabeth Woodville was described by many as being extremely beautiful.

More than that; if Richard III had won at Bosworth...

Well, he was a womaniser in his youth, but when it comes to his adulthood I doubt most of his wives were ever in love with him. Especially seeing that, at about the point Anne Boleyn was executed, he started gaining weight fast and his personality went slightly downhill. Would be surprised if his first three wives hated him outright, but equally as surprised if they all (discounting Anne of Cleves for obvious reasons) actually loved him.

He was over 6 foot hard as nails and revered across Europe.....everybody knew who he was aspecially the ladies.

Boy, he was pretty like his father!

Well the women's families encouraged them because of the influence it could obtain. Henry took Mary Boleyn as a mistress long before Anne showed up, and there were of course others, and 'Fitzroy' children.

@@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765 Most of Europe was catholic and they despised his treatment of the English clergy. Reverence? I do not think so, not matter how tall or handsome! He judicially murdered a 70 year old woman, the Countess of Salsbury, because he could not get at her son. A psychopath if ever there was one!

It truly seems like a magical time.

Realpolitik would have driven him to exterminate any Yorkists via Margaret Pole just as his megalomaniacal narcissist of a brother did. I read somewhere that so horrified was Elizabeth I by the thought that Lady Margaret Pole's descendant, the Earl of Huntingdon, could become king, that she roused herself from her supposed death bed. The Tudors were ever fearful of those with better claims, be they York or Lancaster. Look what Henry VIII did to his first wife Katherine of Aragon and their daughter Mary, both with infinitely stronger Lancastrian claims than Henry VIII possessed.

That would be fascinating!

He had piggy little eyes though. We know his proportions because his suits of armor are in the Tower armory. When young he had a fine figure. By the time he died, he had a 51 inch waist !

We should stop to consider whether or not there are known portraits of an historical figure before we ask that he or she be included. I'm sure we all want to believe that these "real faces" are accurate, and to be accurate, they must be based upon a portrait. As in the case of Katherine Swynford, there is no known portrait of Jacquetta of Luxembourg, so it wouldn't be possible to do a "real faces" for her.

@@jn8ive60 wow calm down.

@@Adhara740 One of The Mysteries of the Internet: Why, when one person gives a simple recitation of facts, does someone else so often say "Calm down"? Tis a puzzlement.

I was thinking the same thing !

There is a portrait bust of him at the V&A and his death mask is at Westminster Abbey museum. Worth googling. He must have been a striking if not conventionally handsome man. Very strong and distinctive bone structure.

Any other historical figures you would like to see in this channel?

Or just be hanging in your village and somebody (important)is pissed off at somebody else. Being overrun by others. I often think of that, how I managed to get to be here and what my ancestors had to survive through.

Thank you so much 😀

I would like to see Jasper Tudor. If not for his uncle Jasper, Henry VII probably would never have made it to be king.

There is no known, absolutely certain portrait of Katherine Swynford, so it wouldn't really be possible to do a "real face" on her. There are two blonde women, both dressed in blue, in the foreground of the frontispiece of "Troilus and Cressida", which was painted sometime between 1400 and 1415. The frontispiece depicts Geoffrey Chaucer, the author, reading to John of Gaunt and a crowd of other people. The two blonde women dressed in blue are kneeling directly in front of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster. For this reason, it has been speculated that they are Katherine Swynford and Joan Beaufort, her daughter by John of Gaunt. However, this is speculation. They may or may not be. Writers have even differed as to which one is Katherine and which one is Joan, if indeed that's who they are. In addition, their figures are small and not in as much detail as the portraits which are used for "real faces". Even so, it's obvious that the woman on the right must have been very attractive. She has blonde hair, large breasts, and a small waist, so could be Katherine whose beauty was legendary, but again we just can't know.

@Larry Lawayne same here except that my line is from John of Gaunt/ Katherine/son Henry/daughter Joan who married a Stradling of St Donats Castle in Wales

Swynford was a huge burp in plantagenet history, though I find her story most intriguing.

@@jeannerossow5210sounds like you have an axe to grind

I named my older daughter Katherine after Katherine Swynford. Read about her and John of Gaunt so many many years ago. I was in my early 20’s and was so taken by their love story.

the history of hair. Jesus

@@edp3202 I think it's interesting.

@@jn8ive60 me 2

there was a brief period during the Regency when some women wore their hair cut short.

@@shellieeyre8758 was it a religious thing?

When I was younger I always thought Henry 7th and Richard went head to head in combat, when I found out what actually happened it was really disapointing.

@@pk6810 Yes, in the Hollywood film Tudor is swinging a sword. I doubt he ever owned one! The TV series was the biggest load of rubbish ever.

@@jamesmilton8765 If the series you're talking about is the White Princess by Philippa Gregory then yes, utter garbage, they even had snow coming down during the bosworth battle scene ! He was no fighter that's for sure, I'm sure he was the first king to feel the need of bodyguards too and created yeoman of the guard that went everywhere with him. Scared of his own shadow. I suppose when you come in and claim the throne the way he did, it's easy to see why he knew it could easily happen to him and his family.

@@pk6810 I have not seen that one. The series i was referring to was called 'The Tudors'. It had about as much in common with the facts as Alice in Wonderland.

@@jamesmilton8765 ah I thought the tudors was about Henry the 8th and all his unfortunate wives. Definitely don't watch the the white princess, absolute nonsense.

Or the kid who lives next door

Omg I think the young Henry Viii shown here resembles Taylor Hanson a bit from the 90s pop group Hanson!

Think again! when the Welsh were being subjugated by the Normans so were the Anglo Saxons who by the way had integrated with the local 'British' so you could say they were really the same people. The Normans also tried to conquer Ireland and established a ruling hierarchy there too. So to think in terms of Nationality in those days is mistaken.

According to current research there was no wholesale replacement of the Britons across England by the Anglo-Saxons. There was only the adoption by them of a language and culture more akin to their needs. Frankly, I am not sure how tenable this theory is. Certainly, the Tudors were no great representatives of Welsh civilisation.

I've actually always thought he was quite nice-looking in that portrait- not astonishingly conventionally handsome, but attractive in an interesting way. I don't think many people agree with me tho...

@@beth7935 as kings go he was certainly not bad looking. He was reported as having next to no teeth though and what did have were blackened, plus a squint in one of his eyes but as I said, as kings went, he was a not bad looking one.

@@pk6810 Haha, yes, you don't see their teeth in portraits! I think it was seen as inappropriate, like I seem to remember Emma Hamilton, Nelson's mistress, had her portrait painted with her smiling & showing her teeth & it was apparently "scandalous". You can see Henry's somewhat uneven eyes quite clearly in his death mask & the more accurate portraits, & that's actually one of the things I like about his looks.

@@beth7935 I think most of them by the time they reached a certain age didn't have any teeth left especially the ladies with all the child bearing. Henrys alright, im partial to a boxers nose in a man which my friends find hideous but each to their own. Manuel 1st of Portugal I find attractive in the paintings I've seen of him but a lot of these paintings at the time were "flattering" to the sitter so unless you saw them in the flesh there's a huge possibly of getting cat fished 🤣

El principal sospechoso es richard iii no henry tudor

Нет , они это не совершали.... Мать Генриха 2 совершила организацию сего преступления ....

@@MaiMai-eo7zk In my opinion and a few others Margaret Beaufort and her husband Lord Stanley were the real culprits. She was a very sly ruthless woman. Her so called Piety was probably due to a guilty conscience in old age fear of meeting her Maker.

Yes, square jawed. See the Richard iii images.

Then England would remain catholic, no divided Ireland, no civil war, no new model army,etc. It's like butterfly wings, but bigger.

Thank you for the answer. In ways that sounds good. But then you have to think about the corruption that comes with the Catholic Church and the directions that would have changed England's history. I love all that I learn about history from your videos.

lol everyone murdered and usurped their way to win crowns back then, that’s why succession by right of conquest is a thing

He was Welsh.

@@maj8301 I know but the way this guy Photoshoped him he looks kinda that way 😅

I try to as realistic and objective as I can, although these face recreations are based on their portraits which were painted to be flattering. These are the only sources of information that I have to work on.

@@panagiotisconstantinou Трудно понять, они это Тюдоры или не они, их ние английские лица воссозданые настоящие, или же не настоящие воссозданые, а может быть идеализированые лица.

She was people, not specially attractive, not ugly, nothing stands out about her looks. She's very average looking actually. I've seen countless young women with that face; and yes she does have her father's nose _with that one you're right.