captainmidnight it’s a very “bring to a sleepover at your nerdy friend’s house to play in the background while you scroll through memes on twitter” sorta film. not a god awful mess just.. idk.. it exists. whatever.
Hey, sorry to be that guy, but isn't curiositystream that streaming service that is currently banning all conservative activists from making accounts? Has anyone else heard about this or am I thinking of a different group?
Mr Captain Midnight you're wrong when Xavier was getting torn apart by Jean Grey and nobody could stop her and he was helpless to reach her it was very emotional for me I almost cried
Personelly I hate the moment when Magneto got rid of Mystique. That was so out of character and it makes Magneto a pure villain.Ite would be much more intersting if he took care of her.
@@LorenzoDoesntExist I think it was considered by a/the writer(s) in the commentary that she was tricking the government and I think some/a producer(s) said in the commentary that they were gonna have her be with magneto at the end, but couldn't due to scheduling.
They forced in two different major plotlines (cure, phoenixsaga), they changed directors, they rushed it and it was just a cash grab. Too much focus on Wolverine. Killed off major characters. No character development. Botched the whole Phoenix mythos (She was automatically evil and it was a latent ability suppressed in her instead of an outside force that took over her body)
In these movies if you aren't Wolverine or Magneto, you are a action figure. You have barely any character, you have no depth, you are there to fill the scene
I think the real problem with it is was essentially trying to be two different movies at the same time. a movie about the cure, and a movie about the Phoenix. both of these are great concepts, but in trying to do them both at the same time, both of them took away from each other to the point that neither of them felt properly developed. the problem with the cure storyline was that it seemed irrelevant to most of the characters. the majority of them just immediately brush it off and deal with other things for the rest of the movie. Wolverine, Storm and Xavier are all dealing with the Phoenix, and Bobby and Kitty are dealing with their relationship. the only main characters who are dealing with the cure are Magneto and Rogue, so it just ends up feeling like an afterthought. the problem with the Phoenix storyline is that it feels extremely rushed. they don't take time to build up her transformation like in other interpretations, she just pretty much goes completely insane right off the bat. because of this and the lack of screen time, they don't really explore her internal struggle at all. they have an interesting dilemma set up in the question of weather or not Charles did the right thing with Jean, but they kill him off right after so that can't be explored. Storm becomes a leader in the end, but she never rejects the idea of it in the beginning when Xavier brings it up, so it doesn't feel like any major growth for her character. the only character arcs that I liked were those of Wolverine and Magneto.
Excellent points. Everybody in this movie had nothing to do, really. Scott died immediately, which sucked. Rogue was only on-screen at the beginning and end of the film. Everyone else ran around putting out fires. Nobody grew and the story was very plot-driven. Oh, and Phoenix was basically a block of granite the entire movie. Magneto really bothered me in this movie. He was much more evil than previously. It felt way out of character and didn't make sense. We know he doesn't mind killing people, but he still generally tends to stay away from massive overkill, like the Golden Gate Bridge scene would have caused. His regaining his magnetic powers at the end is confusing, too---what about Rogue and Bobby if Rogue's power starts working again? My biggest thing, tho, is that Magneto basically became Hitler, and no one in the movie or on the internet seems to have noticed. Magneto believed in a superior race (mutants). He would totally have been happy to rule over the other mutants. He was happy to kill anybody who got in his way and shunted Mystique to the side as soon as she became useless to him. He amassed a group of radicals and needlessly got them killed. I know people sometimes become like the person they hate the most, but still, Erik Lensherr was remarkably lacking in self-awareness. I also found it odd that as soon as he became human, he saw Phoenix going nuts and questioned his wisdom in releasing her... which makes it look like his power itself blinded him, which it did not. He definitely knew what he was doing.
There is so much wrong with this movie. But what stays with me most is how totally stupid and contrived the last battle was. If Magneto can lift the Golden Gate Bridge, he should have just dropped it on Alcatraz.
Can I just say that 90% of the time I hear "compromise" in the middle of the production of a movie that I already begin to worry? I think you hit the nail on the head with the thing about Phoenix vs. Mutant cure. The movie should have been one or the other, the mixture just ended up being a problem.
The Juggernaut line wasn't dated at the time. Those videos were still a pretty big part of the pre-RU-vid internet when this movie came out. This movie is not great and my only vivid memory of it is the audience actually cheering at the juggernaut line.
Not true, wolverine was actually more like a character you would put your shoes into as we were introduced into this world of mutants and the x men through him. Many characters get their moments to shine in x1 and x2 (prof x, magneto, nighcrawler, william stryker, Jean, etc.) it wasnt until x men 3 where wolverine was pretty much the main focus from there on out
Hmm...didn't know about the studio's take on this. Actually "the cure" being the focus of the movie and leaving Dark Phoenix out might have made X3 much better.
Yes, even though not doing Dark Phoenix at all would have been disappointing after X2 it would also still be a lot better than doing it really half-heartedly.
Nobody at Fox gets the X-Men at all. They have no respect for any the characters. Rogue is a useless brat. Storm is miscast and one dimensional. Angel is a non entity. Scott is wasted, which is a shame because his relationship with Jean is a huge part of the X-Men story. And honestly, Last Stand isn't even the worse entry in the series. That honor goes to Apocalypse
@@sexy1018That's what I meant. I was using these as a counterargument to the bullshit claim Fox doesn't get the X-Men. I'm even getting the Rogue Cut for Christmas.
Its interesting to note that bryan singer would have had cyclops blame himself for the death of jean and build the danger room to train the x-men and become their leader
I respectfully disagree. Apocalypse had a cool opening scene like X2. Magneto's story, though so redundant at this point, had actual emotional weight. Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Quicksilver actually had personalities. It had a lot of problems, too, but I actually cared about the characters. X3 had cringy dialogue (I'll never forgive that meme mentioned in this video) and made a Dark Phoenix cardboard cutout out of Jean. All that build-up in X2, wasted. If you can't remember what happened in Apocalypse...well, I wanted to forget X3 as I was watching it. X-Men Origins was the worst. I'll give you that.
Nathaniel Foga one positive thing Ratner did with Storm is make her a more prominent member of the X-Men by having her be leader following Cyclops’ absence and Xavier’s death. However, Singer on the other hand seems to hate Storm. - X-Men: during the final action scene, Storm didn’t seem to have a defined role while Jean, Wolverine and Cyclops did - X-Men 2: literally only good scene is with her and Nightcrawler talking about how they handle being mutants in the presence of humans. Everywhere else she has minimal lines and not much to do. - DOFP: ONLY MEMORABLE THING IS SHE DIED - Apocalypse: she once again had about as many lines as Wonder Woman in BVS. Hell she only became a good guy for the sake of making her an X-Men instead of a bad guy.
@@drewmantia *Cough cough* X-Men Origins: Wolverine is The worst movie out of the whole X-Men universe but yeah agreed that apocalypse is the worst X-men as a whole movie
@@EricGraham94 I imagine that Kappa:v's point was, Apocalypse showed that having Singer back in the director's chair is no guarantee of a good X-movie.
One of my main issues with this movie was how the X-Men don’t really have any meaningful conversations about the cure save for that one moment between Rogue and Wolverine. Sure we know that Storm is against the cure, but she never elaborates on why. It was also disappointing how Cyclops was dead at that point as him maybe wanting to take the cure could give him some depth. Really such a huge impact on the mutant community should’ve been discussed more amongst the team.
The Last Stand is like the ultimate movie everybody hates that I actually really like. I especially found the concept of The Cure and how individual characters reacted to it really interesting. And the "I'm The Juggernaut, BITCH!" scene? Hilarious. Besides, this film changed my life in that it got me interested in The X-Men which got me interested in comic in general, so I've always felt a bit of fondness for this one. A guilty pleasure for sure, but one that always puts a smile on my face.
For me, I hate this movie. It was the first film I remembered having a thought of “Wait, something is not right”, which started with Cyclops dying (that part I will never get over still because Cyclops is one of my favorite characters ever and him getting the axe unceremoniously made me upset). But I also didn’t like how most of the characters, with the exception of Beast who I thought was perfect and the best part about that movie, were shafted or ignored, as well as certain storylines were more focused on than others, which made it an uneven experience. I know there’s worse movies out there, but I remember this as the first big movie that made me feel a great sense of disappointment and frustration. But on a positive note, I loved Beast, most of the performances are solid, the action sequences were good, particularly the final battle, there are some good scenes in it, and the score composed by John Powell was fantastic. But even with the good stuff, I still feel a sense of sadness and anger that I cannot shake 😞
I was eleven and hadn't even realized that comics outside the Sunday newspaper were a thing and X3 still felt a little underwhelming and, as you said, "Not quite right". Not to mention rather jarring. Jean's suddenly evil, Magneto suddenly raids a warehouse full of Mutants that have weird powers, etc. My favorite movies have been the ones where Wolverine is the only main character and he has friends who get him, i.e. X-men Origins and the one where he goes to Japan. Maybe I have a bias against comic book movies that aren't the Dark Knight trilogy or the MCU, but I haven't watched the Spiderman or X-men movies more than once and don't even remember Spiderman 1 and 2. Compare that to fanboying over Heath Ledger's Joker and making it a point to watch every MCU movie, avoiding trailers and spoilers, and trying to memorize the plots of all of them, including the ones I'm not fond of.
Not sure if you were aware, but Brett Ratner only took over as director about 3 months before shooting after Matthew Vaughn bailed at the last moment (weird that he ended up doing First Class five years later!)...Cut Ratner some slack, then, since he was taking over someone else’s movie as, essentially, a hired gun
-I'm Juggernaut, Bitch!!! -Yeah...BUT HE IS CAPTAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN MIDNIGHT!!!! It was regular to bad the movie...i ejoyed it but it was a lot dissapointing.
I personally love x men the last stand.. despite the obvious flaws: Scott summers death, the juggernaut, not bringing back Nightcrawler... but overall I disagree that they focused too much on wolverine...there was great focus with storm, bobby, magneto, and pretty much all the rest... this really felt like an x men movie above all else
the biggest problem with the X men films was the lack of X men i stoped watching the films after they started to dry hump logans leg so much that nobody else got to do anything hell they made what 3 separate wolverine solo films
It would've made more sense if X3 was divided into 2 parts. James Marsden did left with Singer to do Superman Returns. So it wasn't Bryan Singer's Fault.
A single movie on either the cure storyline or the Pheonix storyline would be amazing. I know the next movie is supposedly the Pheonix story, but it seems it'll go similarly to The Last Stand; the producers don't understand/ have faith in the source material, and so will water it down to fit with the tone of their universe.
I knew in advance they weren't going to be able to do justice to the Dark Phoenix story, so I wasn't disappointed overall. But apathy turned to anger when the remaining X-Men were assembling for the final battle and it was _Wolverine_ who delivered the pep talk. Storm was the obvious choice to take over as leader; Professor X even said so at the beginning of the movie. Making her an appendage to Wolverine was criminal.
In defense of Brett Ratner, he didn't really direct this movie...he had to direct what was left of it...most of it was done...plus there were sequences that he didn't want but the studio told him they were already budgeted for and had to be in the movie...so it's not 100% his vision...he was working under serious time constraints as well and wasn't given enough time to focus and really take over...😊🙏 Great videos and great channel...Thank you Captain Midnight👏👏👏
3:57 It's rare to see the production company in Hollywood right today. But if the Fox really think the cure story line should be the main focus. I think it will be far better than the last stand we got.
There's a lot of problems we could all bat back and forth about the X-Men movies, starting with the lack of X-Men (they're Wolverine movies, essentially, until they become Jennifer Lawrence movies. Wolverine's far from my favorite character; I have no problem with him being a prominent character, I have no problem giving him a solo movie - he's got an interesting and rich backstory - and Hugh Jackman seems like a genuinely good dude, but there are so many other interesting and diverse characters who should also be featured, like Gambit and Cyclops and Colossus and Storm. Nightcrawler and Rogue. And of course Jean Grey would headline the Dark Phoenix saga, which should be hard to fuck up. Jennifer LawrenceM/Mystique, on the other hand... look, mileage may vary with regards to J Law, but Mystique just isn't that prominent an X-Men character. She shouldn't be part of the founding of the team, she shouldn't be a team leader. She's a secondary character. No shade if you like her, I'm not saying she's not interesting - or has the potential to be - but making her a leader is like making Deadpool a leader; it'd be fucking stupid. And it was.) BUT... my biggest gripe is how they wasted Cyclops. He's far from my favorite X-Men character, but he's in this category of boy-scout heroes that get shit on too much, because lame people think they're "boring" (Superman, Captain America, Cyclops, etc). And we all see how well a charming, earnest, genuinely good dude like Chris Evans embodied Cap in a way that made him a much more popular hero. I have no doubt that James Marsden could've done the same with Cyclops. He just wasn't given a chance, and that's a bummer. I think someone will eventually get the X-Men right, but Marsden won't ever be given an X-Men script worthy of him.
I have ragged on Ratner in the past and have been reminded by other people that he was a pinch hitter brought in to cover Matthew Vaughn's departure and doesn't deserve all the blame for how hilariously badly TLS turned out so I'm glad you covered this in the essay.
"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" I remember my entire theater erupting with laughter at that line. It was also the first time (in my memory) that a mainstream movie outwardly acknowledged a meme, which still kind of blows my mind to this day. It's not a *great* movie and has a ton of problems, but it was a decent popcorn flick at the time. Now, more than ten years after the fact, it's easier to go back and see the beginning of a transition in superhero movies. Love the video...
If I may add, movie culture was different back then. All you needed to satisfy the geek fanbase during X-Men 1's release was to get the actor casting right. As superhero movies were released again and again, so did the fanbase begin to expect better plot. This is one of the reasons why the MCU was a success, they made a gamble that the future of superhero movies were in well-made plots and intriguing storylines. The fanbase wanted to evolve as an audience, as well as be entertained. This is what the MCU provided.
I completely dissagree with you when you said Storm had nothing to do in this movie she has a much a bigger role in this movie than she had in the last two in fact that's one of the few things Brett Ratner did right with the movie.
The first date I ever went on was to see X-Men: The Last Stand, it was so awkward, we couldn’t think of a thing to say to one another and he left several times to make phone calls. We never saw or spoke to one another much after, I would find out years later he had committed suicide and I can only assume that X-Men: The Last Stand was to blame.
They should've let Mystique stay a mutant throughout the movie. I hated when she lost her powers, and she should've fought alongside Magneto which could've shown a greater side of her mutant powers. I also feel that they could've explored the other mutants instead of focusing on only Wolverine.
I think the problem was the actress who played her couldn't be in the movie full time because of a busy schedule it was the same with the actor who played Cyclops
"Bryan Singer didn't particularly care about the X-Men." I don't want him on the creative team anymore, but this statement couldn't be further from the truth if you understood his personal connection to the characters.
@@Mysterey101 All three of the movies were pretty Wolverine-centric but I thought 2 was actually an ensemble rather than really just starring Wolverine, let alone being all about.
I’m a huge movie addict Comic book geek I love ranking, making lists And The Last Stand is my favorite X-Men movie. Every time I watch it, I try to take into account what everyone says but I love it every single time.
I think one idea that could have made the cure storyline work is maybe instead of the Dark Phoenix, introduce the Sentinel storyline instead on how they ended up taking over the world. I read a guy’s post on reddit on how the cure could have been enforced by the Sentinel robots that hunt down mutants and they would have made more effective soldiers and weapons than the humans. But here is a few ideas that could have made this a true trilogy ender. Have Magneto’s mindset from X-2 of killing all humans still be here, or at least let him come to a realization that that maybe at the end of the day he is going to have to kill all of humanity in order to keep the mutants safe from them. For at least 2 movies tensions between mutants and humans were growing, but here it could have been at an all time high, or just finally exploded in terms of tension, leading to the most epic battle yet. I mean the reason I say this, is that when Magneto moved the bridge to the island, why did he spared the human family in there? Is it because its possible they are mutants? Does he still have some sympathy for humans when he is at war with them? Does he have a no kids killing rule? Whatever the fuck that is?!!!!!!!! Yes he knows lives are going to be lost, but this also goes to his attack on the island, if there were any humans still on the bridge at the time, instead of sending his forces, why not just hold the humans ransom and demand that they hand over the boy or they kill all the humans? I mean, how in the fucking hell... did he just send all of his forces, or hell just drop the bridge on the facility? Maybe its just a movie in terms of all the plot holes and everything and how we are supposed to overlook them, but there was clearly a wasted opportunity for him to show how much darker Magneto’s character has gotten over the time. Maybe his movement towards the bridge could have been more scary by having his followers kill every human on sight, or use the family as an example, just whatever the fuck they decided to send the “pawns” first, was just stupid when they clearly had other chances to do this. Hell, if he truly did abandoned Mystique and she ratted him out or what not, well then why not have her confront Magneto again before the battle, and then perhaps she says something about his army and how she and them, and even Magneto are still “human”. What I mean is in this case, that they still show kindness towards others, how she got to see life from the other side that she never got to in a very long time, and how she has finally came to realized that what she was doing with Magneto and his plans was just wrong, and that it wasn’t the way to do it, and that they ended up harming a lot more people then they helped, and that his way will only mean the end of his kind. They truly didn’t want war. Other parts can be mentioned that everyone of them is still human in one way or another, they still have moral grounds, they can still get sick, they can still die. They aren’t immortal, and they aren’t gods. They are only mutants because they have some sort of special powers that makes them just more powerful, but they aren’t unbeatable. The X-Men knows that, and they are fighting for the same cause, for all of humans and mutants to co-exist (this would all be against her character, but if she is human, this could give her more motivation for a redemption moment), and if he wants to destroy that, then Magneto needs to kill her, as she will stand in his way, no matter what happens. I mean, a moment that could have challenge Magneto and his followers as they are still human technically, but it would also lead to Magneto’s most evil moment of all. He realizes that he is still human, along with his followers, and that Mystique has called him out on his bullshit, and perhaps because of that if he really does mean his goals, then maybe he should kill her with no remorse at all, maybe becoming a pure monster (not like mutate into creature) and state that when he destroys the cure and the X-Men, they will kill every last bit of humanity on this planet and erase their world all together because as long as humanity exist, they will always be those that will attempt to stop them, and now that they learned about their weakness, they decided to just get rid of their human side and just embrace the hatred all together, and just outright kill them all. Also, if you are going to kill Charles, make it permanent. It’s that simple. Hell, it would have given Magneto the motivation he needed or what not to go through with his plan, and being reminded of his humanity, he could even go more evil by stating that he is “glad that Charles is dead” now. Because he and him are friends and were always fighting for the same cause, and yes Magneto did some extreme things, but this had a chance to continue his actions from the X2 movie in a meaningful way. Where he reaches his breaking point with humanity.
The moment I heard that name, I can remember Rogue did a Thanos thing all the soldiers and mutants at the prison island and how it terrified me as a kid. That woman was bloody deadly when in anger mode
Vinnie Jones was poorly cast as the Juggernaut. They should have gotten a wresler like they did for Sabretooth. In 2006, Bill Goldberg was jsut off of Santa's Slay, and The Longest Yard remake. And Juggernaut's muscle suit was ridiculous.
You're a bit more generous to this movie than I was. When I saw it in theaters, not knowing how the plot arcs went in the comic books, I felt like it was an okay political allegory A-plot that was hijacked by the B-plot when Dark Phoenix got upset that not enough of the story was revolving around her. I know some people swear by Jean Grey, but I just didn't like her throughout the original X-Men trilogy.
They promo'd angel to death (the website, posters, trailers, he was also wearing an x suit) but he literally only did 2 things in the movie, escape, and catch his dad.
Honestly the mutant cure plot line makes a lot more sense for this movie when you look at the story arc of the trilogy. A good adaptation of the Dark Phoenix Saga could make for an excellent film, but it really needs its own space to develop. That's a big problem with this movie overall; a whole bunch of stuff is thrown at us and not developed well or at all. Honestly, from the trailers I thought Angel was going to get full character development in this movie, and he ends up being basically dropped in as a "Look, this is a plot point!" device. By the time the movie was over I really had no connection with the character. Scott's death should have been a big deal that impacted the rest of the film, but it comes off as shrug-worthy for both the audience and the characters. Oh, and also they decided that the caring mentor Professor X that we'd grown attached to in the previous installments in the this trilogy was just going to be kind of an asshole now for no apparent reason. There are hints of what made the previous films watchable such as Rogue's difficult relationship with her mutation, but a lot of The Last Stand felt like the Michael Bay version of X-Men to me; big and noisy and empty.
Apparently they were gonna have sigourney Weaver be Emma Frost and manipulate Jean to use her powers for magneto and at the end jean would kill her self and evolve as “the Phoenix” as the next stage in mutant evolution which I have a problem with!
I agree with the Fox playing catch up, everybody accuses DC of rushing to the Justice League (which they were) but everyone ignores that Fox and Sony had the rights to some of the biggest comic book characters for almost 25 years and did nothing, took them the Avengers to do 1 billion and see that different characters can still.make bank for them to start announcing other projects that weren't X-Men or Spider-Man
@I. Th. they had much more than just Spidey and X-Men, and the only thing they do was a spinoff prequel of Wolverine (I don't know if it was as answer of Iron Man and Hulk, but I know they wanted others about THAT Deadpool and Gambit), and it took them a leaked trailer that was well received for them to do the New Deadpool, plus announcing New Mutants, Multiple Man, Kitty Pride and so on. Sony was the same, now they are doing Venom, Morbius and all this other characters they had the rights two decades ago
People like to shit on Brett Ratner for X3, he was hired after Matt Vaughn, director of First Class, walked away because Fox did not want to meet his demands of flying his family to set in BC from London, first class every weekend during filming and post production. Brett was hired 4 weeks before production, all the PreViz and casting had already been done, all Brett did was sit in the chair and call cut (he would just say, “that was good, I think we got it”) it broke box office records at the time and was not the failure people say, it was mediocre, but so were all the original films, as stated in this video, X1 aged poorly. And Singer had his boner for Superman
Hello Captain Midnight, you know what, there is another old movie trilogy that is pretty cool to review: the blade trilogy. It has it flaws, but I always think it is very unique in its time as a comic movie.
There’s too many good ideas in here for it to be bad, but this movie really does rush through everything. Mystique protecting Magneto from the cure only to be abandoned is an awesome scene. The deaths make the movie feel like a climactic conflict. It also plays into a terrible future that needs to be changed in DOFP. Magneto lifting the bridge is the kind of jaw dropping spectacle I want out of movies like this. Even if it isn’t the most efficient way to get his army there, this is a movie! I wanna see cool shit like that. Magneto getting cured is also a perfect way to end his trilogy storyline. It’s quite poetic even if it didn’t end up lasting. Wolverine being the only one who can withstand the Phoenix force and having to walk through her disintegrating him is one of the coolest CBM moments ever. It’s a moment that really sticks with you after the movie.
Singer didn't leave X-Men high and dry. Look up Tom Rothman/Bryan Singer for more on why Singer's X-3 didn't happen. As a studio chair, Rothman caused a lot of problems at Fox concerning the X-Men. I only just discovered this info a few years back myself.
I just recently re-watched this movie, and it wasn't as bad as I remembered it. I don't have any attachment to any other version of these characters, never having read the comics and only giving the 90's animated series a go this year (2021) when I saw it was on Disney+, so I don't know anything about how these characters could have been or what storylines were missed out on. It is for sure noticeable that they wanted to do something that never happened with Jean, as she pretty much only kills Scott and the professor but otherwise does nothing until the very end, where she is dangerous for about 1 min before dying again, and the last battle is a bit over the top, but it was definitely enjoyable, and does pose some questions for the viewer considering the cure. On one hand, can you "cure" a genetic mutation? Should it be considered some kind of decease? On the other hand, does someone like Storm, who looks perfectly normal and have full control of her powers, have the right to tell someone like Rogue, who sucks the life-force out of anything she touches, not to take the cure?
Hollywood has this terrible habit of making the breakout star of a trilogy the front and centre of later films. Johnny Depp in Pirates. Jennifer Lawrence in the later X men films. Hugh Jackman in the early X men. Even the MCU with Robert Downey Jr, and it's pathetic. They sacrifice interesting ensemble casts with great actors, to shove a side character played by a big rising star into the front of the story, and wonder why those later entry stories then tank. It's not rocket science. Keep the character arc going in a believable way, despite of how popular the actor gets, and you get a much better continuity and happy fans.
You sounded like you were going to bring it all around with the way you prefaced by referencing Spider-Man 3 dark knight and iron man, but then nothing. What does the making of those films have to do with the last stand?
I think the biggest problem with the movie, but also most X-Men movies, was cramming in too many characters and not doing enough with most of them (the first two movies were the best at not having too many characters relative to the runtime). TLS also gave way too little attention, let alone focus, to Jean and her relationships with Storm and, obviously, Cyclops.
And yeah, most of the actors seemed pretty apathetic although I did think Stewart did pretty well as Xavier, including playing the character's darker & more controversial elements.
I don't think it's bad personally. Like blade I think has aged a lot worse. There's even aspects of it I love like Kelsey grammar as beast and that bridge scene and even the final fight scene. I just feel the story is kinda weak cause it tries to juggle pieces that don't really fit together nicely.
Origins wolverine for me is still the worst one. This one has Kelsey Grammar as Beast at the very least. But since we’re on about opinions on these films, I must admit I find First Class very overrated (other than the performances of Charles and Eric).
When Disney gets round to putting the X-Men in the MCU they should wait until a third or fourth movie to recast Wolverine and Magneto. Both have been played brilliantly in the past and the former left an emotional impact on the genre that's still too fresh. They should instead make Storm and Cyclops the leads, flesh out the rest of the cast such as Rogue, Gambit, Kitty and Jubilee (possibly her vampire version to make Blade tonally possible later on), to make them more interesting and resemble their comic and animated versions. Also this would allow audiences to focus on other X-Men villains who are not Magneto, Phoenix and Apocalypse until they can do them justice.
one of the things that bugs me is that they had all 5 original xmen in it and they could not bring us the first image of xmen ever like that would have been so fun
I hate how these movies used cyclops. Scott is portrayed as an uncool control freak who doesn't deserve Jean Grey. If you look at Scott in the comics he's kinda the main character. He was around since the beginning, and is the constantly isolated leader of the X-Men. He finds love in Jean until she's gone. Aftrr that the comics tried to make storm the lead but failed because storm isnt haldlf as interesting as cyclops.
TL:DR The prior movie laid a perfect foundation for Sentinels and that would have made a better movie Okay, that out of the way RANT TIME! They wasted all the potential of the X-Men 2 ending. That film gave them the perfect setup for the Sentinels. A mutant attack against EVERY human on the planet? That would absolutely get people going after mutants. Brotherhood and X-Men both now recruiting massive numbers of mutants due to the sentinel attacks and anti-mutant hate groups performing lynchings (an easy way to add in new characters). Have the X-Men trying to stop Sentinels and save young mutants while also trying to stop the Brotherhood from making things worse with retaliatory attacks. They could've even set up Dark Phoenix as the 4th movie, with Jean Grey returning to help save the X-Men from the Sentinels halfway through the movie only for something to be kind of off with her. She's meaner, she's more willing to hurt people etc. But don't make it the focus. It's just set up for the next movie. It only needs a small teeny tiny bit in this one. And if you REALLY need a romantic subplot (because apparently EVERY movie needs one), Scott and Logan have bonded over their shared loss and become friends but with Jean's return now she's going for Logan instead of Scott (because eeeevil) causing tension in the group. It's a bit rough, I'll admit, but this took me like, 10 minutes to come up with and I think it's already a better story then the last stand was. I know, I'm super humble.
“I’M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!” God that movie was so painful. 😖 One big plot hole I always remember is the assault on Alcatraz Island where they’re keeping Leach; and he basically makes any mutant powerless who comes too close to him, but Magneto makes a metal bridge with his magnetic powers and then launchs an assault on Alcatraz with all of his evil mutants in order to kill Leach, Except that Mag’s group would have no powers in this attack to kill Leach because of his absorption of their powers. Wouldn’t it have made more sense for Magneto to construct a giant metal hammer with his powers and use it to smash Alcatraz from a distance killing Leach from a safe distance in the first place and not having to risk a head on attack?
It was so bland, and when almost every movie moves around Logan they forced the story to become predictable. I grant that days of future past was great,but that's it.
Am I the only one who would have preferred the movie to be just about the mutant cure? I thought that was a really interesting dilemma. All the dark phoenix stuff was boring.
