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There is no mention of Bryan Singer's antics on the set of X1 and specifically X2, which was detailed Alan Cumming's book, confirmed by Halle Berry and others. The situation where some of the cast attempted an intervention over Bryan's drug use and absences. This is very relevant in retrospect, because it definitely sheds new light on 20th Century Fox taking so long to sort out a deal for him to direct X3 as well as being so quick to replace him (although, hilariously they replace him with someone just as problematic). It also makes 20th Century Fox and big bad Tom Rothman seem slightly less evil than originally suspected.
Also he is a child rapist and groomer of children. And I’m not saying that in the new-tangled right wing “everyone I disagree with is a pedophile” sense, but literally. A quick google on this sheds light.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I've been telling people how petty Fox studios have been for years Every marvel failure from that studio is %100 on them Same with The Warner Bros studio
@@jacobp8294nah it was Brett. Somehow Singer made the first two and they weren’t trash. It was the same Hollywood execs. The part that changed was the director.
@@popermen694 I agree with you that Brett probably was not a valuable addition which made the film worse overall, but he was chosen by the production crew, which most likely chose him for his willingness to adapt ot whatever requests they made (For better or worse) which alot of modern directors are forced into (look at marvel movies)_
Cyclops finally taking charge and becoming the serious and stoic leader that he is from the comics would've been so nice to see on screen. It would've felt completely earned, considering how they did him dirty in the first two films. Making it truly feel like "X-Men" and not "Wolverine and Friends" And having him kill Jean's body would've been such a great send off/ ending to both of them. Sadly none of that came to fruition and now that trilogy feels like one big character assassination of Cyclops. One that emasculates his character for the sake of glorifying Wolverine.
I feel that he was done more dirty in the latter two films of the OG trilogy as we got them, cause he was brainwashed for most of X2 and, as we all know, had to be unceremoniously killed off-screen at the beginning of The Last Stand. At least with the 2000 movie I felt that he got to have enough time to shine alongside Wolverine and Storm, which is one of the reasons why I still like the first movie best.
@@nicksorenson940 fun fact: James Marsden had to fight for the scene in which he took out Magneto. The original plan was to have Cyclops, Jean, and Storm stand around like dumbasses while Wolverine resisted the magnetism and punched Magneto out on his own.
@@nicksorenson940I was sad when they killed off Cyclops in X-Men the last stand I was like noo 😔 it was different without Cyclops when he died in X-Men the last stand
To me, the cure storyline would have worked better if it was a response to the threat of the Phoenix. I'm surprised the studio didn't go that route, and instead has these warring storylines. Oh well. Great video as always.
HOLY SHIT THE NARRATIVE PURPOSE OF THE DANGER ROOM SUDDENLY EXISTING IS BRILLIANT in the unmade film. It's not just in there to be in there, it's a symbol of Scott's paranoia, grief and attempt to control variables. In the finished film...it's a setpiece and then that's it. We don't even get an explanation as to why we're seeing it, how it started or anything. Having Scott come up with the Danger Room as a reaction to Jean's sacrifice is fucking poetry.
That would've been awesome! They wouldn't even have had to make a 2-parter IMO. They could just make it X-Men 3: The Gifted, and X-Men 4: Dark Phoenix.
Jean Grey should have returned as The Phoenix in the end credits. X-Men The Last Stand should have been solely about mutants trying to live among humans peacefully. The cure was a good inclusion but I also think Genosha should've been included as well for added drama, because like Xavier's school its a safe place for mutants but it's run by Magneto.
Remember Nightcrawler's departure is explained in the X-Men Game which happens in between X2 and X3, there Nightcrawler says goodbye to the xmen because he was more of a pacifist man than a soldier
Now for X-Men The Last Stand, i have a soft spot for it because that movie was the first X-Men movie i grew up watching. Even though i didn't hate X3, i would've love to see this version of X3.
The one thing I did really love about X3 is when the X-men arrive and all do their intros when landing to fight. That was super cool and reminded me of the intro in the cartoon.
Cutting to Wolverine saying “Yeah good luck with that” in response to jennifer lawrence’s “X-Wahmen” nonsense was brilliant lol! Props to your editor!!!😂😂😂
The cure storyline could have worked here by using Jeans evolution into the phoenix: Jean returns out of control while mutantkind is dealing with the development of a cure. Sides would be drawn between cyclops who wants to use the cure to stabilize Jean and avoid losing her again and those who reject the cure as an attack on mutants. Jean would be caught in thr middle due to her desire to keep her powers versus her fear of where her powers are going. Somethibg Something Jean realizes her struggles with her powers is because she has been fighting her own evolution and chooses to embrace her powers and go where they take her asking Cyclops to vaporize her body and release her rapidly expanding conciousness into the universe. Cyclops begs her to stay but in the end, he agrees to let her go and with a primal cry releases the biggest concussive blast of his life and vaporizes her. Jean's choice brings mutantkind together in rejecting the cure except in the most extreme of circumstances. Rogue who had also been struggling with the choice would choose to keep her powers with hints that she may yet gain control of them someday. The end.
I remember hearing one concept had Brainiac as the villain and during the finale, he downloaded himself into Superman's son, Jason, and grows into an adult to fight Superman and in Man of Steel fashion, the only way he had to kill Brainiac was to kill his son. (As a fan service because fans at the time despised Jason in Superman Returns, and that would've been the response to that character.)
The Phoenix Saga and the Gifted storylines are two huge and deep storylines to squeeze into the same movie. Although I do think they should have adapted the Gifted storyline to help with introducing the X-Men in space concept because while it focuses on the idea of a cure, the cure is a result of an alien (Ord of Breakworld) coming to Earth to kill mutants before they destroy his world. If I was the writer/director of the movie, I would keep this aspect, but make it so that Jean was the mutant they feared.
I really enjoyed X men 3 lol , sure it had it's flaw but it was the closest I got to the feel of the 90s cartoon I loved. My main gripe was how they got rid of Cyclops, would have been nice to have a scene (like Professor X's reawakening) where Cyclops wakes up and he's on the Starjammer's ship or something lol
I rewatched X-Men The last Stand days ago and I really enjoyed it. I did feel like the movie was too short for what it was. Things happen too fast with little time to address the emotional impact and the events that are unfolding. X-men Dark Phoenix felt like a remake of the X3 Dark Phoenix story like but still felt short. I suppose Dark Phoenix storyline is something that should be left for TV.
I would have liked to have seen a sequel where the X-Men fight the Wendigo, giving the movie more of a horror element to it, instead of them having to constantly deal with Magneto.
Superhero films can work when the hero or heroes fight a new and different villain in each movie. It gives you new material and different interactions between characters. Fox loved Ian McKellen's performance so much they brought him back for X2 and then Last Stand. He was great in the part but it just gave you the same thing over and over. Sony is awful at superhero movies. In Venom, Venom fights a symbiote. In Let There be Carnage Venom fights a symbiote. I'm sure he will again in the next film.
Between Singer's problems and the studio's pettiness and bad decisions, I'm not sure X3 really stood a chance. That said, I'd have loved to have seen Singer's take because his X-Movies are my favorite ones in the franchise (yes, even the bloated yet superficial Apocalypse). However, given the ideas presented here, this would have been a much better version of the movie, but I would add one caveat. Instead of Cyclops killing Jean of his own volition, I'd have her control him and make him so it so that the impetus of the decision is hers and not his, maintaining the sacrifice in the original story.
Days of future past is one of the best CBMs ever. Singer had a lot of problems but he made damn good X-Men films. I have a soft spot for Apocalypse as well.
I think one of the major reasons the Phoenix storyline is hard to make really good for film/or at least this series of films is that there is no larger allegory which it can be noticeably and immediately be recognised as. The whole X-Men story is human vs mutants and the theme of prejudice and how a marginalised group either stands and works with their oppressors diplomatically or choose to take vengeance on them - that in itself is a story rich in humanity and relatable to our reality. The Phoenix story meanwhile is much more a simple plot which only poses ethical conundrums which only matter and relate to the characters in this fictional world, and it poses fewer questions and issues compared to the prior two films which are really resonant in AND outside the fictional world. The only way I could see the Phoenix story connecting to that larger theme is if you frame the storyline as analogous to an Oppenheimer moment for humanity in which they discover that finally a mutant equivalent of an atomic bomb is alive on this planet. The conflict would be framed around whether or not mutants and humans use that power for good or not. That’s the only way I could see it fitting into the larger thematic story. But even still that conflict isn’t quite so perfect a summation of the real conflict at the core of the story, it feels more like a tacked on secondary problem and less a resolution to the already established larger conflict set up in the prior 2 films. So at the very least this would have had to be a part 3 of a film series and then the 4th film would have to be the final one in which the series returns to the larger core conflict which is X-Men vs. Magneto / vs. Humanity.
X-Men: The Animated Series shows it can be done extremely well. The Phoenix saga itself is just your classic good vs. evil storyline. There is always room for such story. The Dark Phoenix Saga, demonstrated that there are real considerations. It is tied to the fact that Phoenix is not just a split-personality, but a deity like creature that had possessed Jean Grey. When that being possesses Jean, it possesses the fullness of human emotion, the good and the bad. It finds a taste for the bad emotions, and relishes in it. This kicks off the battle between the X-Men and the Shi'ar. Major ethical questions...What is inside of Jean is capable of destroying an entire Galaxy. But to destroy it, means destroying Jean. That is a major ethical dilemma. Making it a split-personality is crucial. Because through the series they establish that Jean has an incredibly gentle and warm-hearted spirit. The true, "Girl Next Door" vibe. So, when this incredibly destructive being inhabits her, it makes the tensions stronger. Also, it makes Cyclops sacrifice at the end all the more heart-breaking. They captured Scott's love for her better than the movies have ever done (sadly). The absolute trauma of having to kill the good woman that he was over-taken by a galaxy destroying entity is heavy. Honestly, perfect for a movie, possibly too heavy for a kids show. They have a blue print for an amazing, emotion packed story. It came out only a few years before this one. They didn't use it. Amazingly, the X-Men: The Animated Series also had a good story that could get fleshed out more about the cure, they didn't use it. X-Men: The Animated Series demonstrated there are amazing stories to be told from the X-Men. Cinema or even live-action television has incredible capability to do so, as they can be relieved of some of the limitations placed upon the cartoon. However, they don't do it. DC has made the same mistake for years. The DCAU built an incredible universe, with rich characters and stories. Yet, again they don't make good use of them.
Also why would they hire Simon Kinberg to do it again? Hiring the person who wrote the story badly the first time to do it again a second time seems like very bad judgement.
100% agreed. Only now, decades later, is it feasible to adapt this storyline now that we've seen cosmic stuff in the MCU and the stakes only relating to being a part of a universe.
I think phoenix force could be an allegory for god and faith. Jean could have worshipers. They see her as the apex/ messiah of mutant kind. They could go to war with mankind that wants to destroy her.
@@YOUNGDOFFTV I’m not taking anything away from Blade. But they were making movies based off of comics long before Blade. Batman was in the late 80’s and early to mid 90’s….before Blade. Superman was made in the 70’s ….before blade. Point being there was always one thing before there was something else. Just depends on how far back you wish to go. Howard the duck, The Addams family, Peanuts. All were comics or comic strips that became successful movies of tv shows. So it’s far fetched to say that the success of todays comic books movies falls entirely on Blade. It’s been happening for a century at this point.
I wouldn’t say X-MEN would be the main marvel movie that start it all, technically you could say Blade from 1998 was the first Marvel movie that got it right and set the stage for Marvel movies and superhero movies entirely.
I still enjoyed X3, the audience in my theater had a great time. We were all laughing & cheering at the right moments. For a rushed film it was a fun popcorn flick. Would have been nice to see the Phoenix though. We were all waiting for that after the X2 tease.
You know what’s funny is that The Last Stand is the only X-Men movie to have all the original X-Men, Professor X, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Angel and Iceman, together in one film but not even as a team though which sucks. 3 of them even die, technically 2 since Charles survives but it’s still a death. Angel doesn’t even join the team either, he’s just there to save his dad. I just wish we could’ve seen all the X-Men together and Scott leading them. That one major thing the Fox films got wrong, Cyclops is the leader and him only being the leader in one film and killing him off is bullshit. I hope the MCU dose him justice
I was so bored by X3. watched it with a family member and fell asleep. I've had no desire to go back and watch it. Matthew Vaughn's X3 sounds WAY more interesting than what we ended up getting.
From what I heard, Scott's death had more to do with the studio wanting to make Jean an unstoppable force. She even killed the man she loves. If you think about it, James Marsden wasn't in Superman Returns much. He appeared on multiple movies back in 2006. Same as Hugh Jackman. Did you ever think of doing videos on The Mummy movies. Maybe what the third film was going to be before Rob Cohen took over. Or the fourth film before Alex Kurtzman took over.
Could you imagine the Singer version of X3 allowing the Dark Pheonix going into space. This could have been an introduction to Marvel's galactic races and later lead into the Guardians of the Galaxy, a Silver Surfer, etc.? It could even have led to a movie where the events led to a conflict with, and introduction of, The Avengers. This, IMO, would have been a more fluid introduction into other Marvel properties.
I would LOVE to see J. A. Bayona come back and direct this new project. I loved the tone of JWFK, it felt the most in line with the Crichton Novels. I want it to be dark, scary and bloody!
I actually didn’t mind the third movie. I really liked the relationship between Magneto and Xavier. It actually did a BETTER job with them than the first two movies!
gotta agree! some bold moves and did it with a lot less padding. we all knew this wouldn't be the end of the X-men franchise, and i was glad to see it take some risks (killing off a few well-known characters-but is anyone really killed off in these things?)-with heroes becoming villains and villains being heroes,- all those shades of Grey that have made X-Men worth watching.. i prefer to concentrate on what it Is and enjoy it for those reasons, than what it wasn't and bemoan it as some sort of failure.
WOW! There’s a lot of information about the potential plot that im just learning because of this video. Also proves that Studio execs interfering will always be an achilles heel. Including the mutant cure storyline was a big mistake.
I'd like to see a movie that shows the original 60s Xmen team and the modern Xmen. like the A story can be set in the modern day, and the B-story can be in the 60s
I thought Charles death was done amazingly tbh It was drawn out in a good way, the score is glorious & Magneto shouting Charles! as he dies is great with the finale of it all Nice videos btw, im binging them since discovering your channel a few days ago You have the content of a million+ subscriber platform
It's funny to look back at how Singer would set up certain things with his movies only to end up not getting his intended payoff for one reason or another. His first X-Men movie still holds up quite well on its own IMO, but then for X2 he wanted to make a pretty obvious point of setting up that Jean was going to come back in the 3rd movie as Phoenix (the only thing that really keeps X2 from being as standalone as its predecessor), only for it to of course end up playing out the way that it ultimately did because of his time being devoted to directing Superman Returns instead. And then with Returns we got more of a slower paced story about Superman returning to Earth and how the world had moved on without him just so they could plan on saving the more exciting stuff for the sequel (like Luthor's Kryptonite landmass that Superman hurls into space becoming "New Krypton" in the sequel), only that backfired as well when WB didn't consider the movie successful enough to go through with the sequel. And yes, maybe some audiences at the time were expected something more action packed right from the start. Whether its the cancellation of his Superman sequel or The Last Stand arguably beginning the decline of his original X-Men film series for some fans, Singer's contributions to comic book movies just couldn't seem to catch a break.
There's a fantastic video by Dark Phoenix UN Cut that covers the original plans for the film, which was a 2 parter at one point: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FvwvETFKCic.html
X-Men The Last Stand had the best action in the initial trilogy, made characters other than Wolverine actually relevant & depthful like: Storm, Beast, Rogue, Bobby, Pyro, Mystique & more; and gave an incredibly dramatic and satisfying finish to the X-trilogy. I genuinely don’t understand why some people dislike it so much 🤷🏾♂️
Personally, even if I appreciated X-Men: The last stand, I have to say I would have made something very different. For example, I wouldn't have killed Cyclops, but instead made him a strong leader of the team, I would have kept Nightcrawler, I would have made Rogue way stronger both physically and mentally (like in the comics and in the cartoons), I wouldn't have killed Jean neither, I wouldn't have put the story cure and maybe I would have divided the movie into 2 parts
Thank you for this. X2 remains my favorite Marvel movie of all time.🤘 I also have an X-Men The Last Stand DVD that contains more deleted scenes than others. It's weird. There's a scene where Jean Grey turns a cup into a friggin miniature star! Have you seen this, and if so, can you explain why it's only on some DVDs? 🤷🏻♂️
@@Bulletsandblockbusters True story. I had to buy mine from a buddy. I wasn't sure if they just got cheaper in the production with later prints or removed them for other reasons
@@Afineaddition they had a tv show with a new actor. But most people act lile it didnt exist so they can ass lick Wesley Snipes some more. Also Blade was the original Modern Marvel film its reach was only less than X-Men and Spiderman due to age restriction as Im sure Blade was 16 or 18+. Didnt stop me from watching it as a kid tho
If i was up to me i would have had part 3 be the Phoenix Saga and part 4 would've been the Gifted storyline. Colossus and Angel would have bigger parts in both films and we never would've gotten X-Men Origins
My pitch if Bryan Singer directed X-Men 3. I would have the team wore their iconic suits from the comics for each member & Have the film split into 2 parts. Part 1 would be based on the plot from the Dark Phoenix Saga & Part 2 will focus on the Gifted storyline.
I don't care what anyone says, X-Men 3 is one of the best Marvel films ever. I've always loved it, it's one of the only films of ANY kind that could make me cry even after seeing it already. The moment when the Professor dies, and the ending where Jean is killed by Logan, both were always very special film moments to me. I never had any idea that there was ANY person who disliked this film until over a decade later. It's not perfect but I wouldn't change it for the world, and I think it's 1 of those movies that most people loved, but reddit and forum posters over the years got people to act like yes men and go along with the notion that it wasn't a great X-Men film.
Nobody really loved it when it came out. The reception was always disappointment after what came before. But if you loved it, that's awesome! To each their own :)
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I guess it was a local thing. It was pretty hyped when I was in high school at the time. It was many years before social media was a thing like it is now though... I'm sure there were lots of things people enjoyed and believed were great but, years later found out most people didn't quite feel the same! It could have had a little more context in certain areas, but I always liked the direction that the film took. If you cared about X-Men, I think it would have made you emotionally invested in it.
@@MoneyHoneyBunny X-Men 3 was an atrocious movie, and not at all accurate to the characters or the comics. It was hyped where I was too, and I'm the type to easily forgive movie mistakes, which is why I've seen the movie a million times, but objectively speaking, it really isn't great. A few things I loved also had cons to them. For example, one thing I loved was Storm getting more screen time, but the con was, her powers were never showcased as the omega level mutant she is. Like, she was getting bodied by Callisto, who, mind you, was not at all like her comic book counterpart. Psylocke was tragic, Juggernaut was a mutant(?!), and they killed Scott. I can't say Xavier's death was bad; his death scene was actually amazing and emotional, but Scott got taken out like a punk. He deserved more than that. 😅 There was no build up to it. Jean came back, he died, and the movie kept it pushing. 😂 He isn't even mentioned beyond Jean and Wolvie's conversation until the end of the film. They treated him like a dirty dog. And he's not even my favorite. Rogue is my favorite, and from the very first moment she hit the screen in the first movie, I was pissed. I was 10 years old and complaining that Rogue wasn't flying around punching bitches and being sassy. She didn't call anyone "suga" once, and that's her trademark! Whew, let me stop cuz my blood pressure is getting too high. 😂
It’s not a “what could’ve been”, but I think if you made a video on Nolan leaving Warner Brothers over Tenet, and then Warner Brothers releasing Barbie on the same day as Oppenheimer as spite, it’d not only be a good video but it could possible reach a large audience herewith how popular the topic is. People never talk about that part of Barbenheimer. Plus as this very video shows, a lot of things Hollywood are done out of spite and grudge holding.
Back in the day I liked X3. In fact, liked it more then the other two. The reason being, we finally got a comic book movie with real stakes and a grand plot that will not resolve itself back to the starting point.
One thing that I never understood about the second X-Men movie is why Magneto didn’t rescue Charles when he had the chance. The movie was great, I never understood that part, though.
I feel like i'm the only person who actually loves X-Men: The Last Stand. It has some incredible moments. I mean, the pheonix and charles scene in the house is one of my favourite scenes in cinema history.
X-Men: Apocalypse Rewrite Directed by: Michael Doughtery Screenplay by: Michael Doughtery, Zach Shields and Simon Kinberg Story by: Dan Harris, Michael Doughtery and Zach Shields Produced by: Simon Kinberg, Hutch Parker, Alex Garcia, John Jashni, Lauren Shuler Donner and Michael Doughtery Executive Produced by: Kevin Fiege, Avi Arad, Guillermo del Toro and Brad Winder Baum Cinematography: Lawrence Sher Music by: Bear McCreary Edited by: Roger Barton, Richard Pearson and Bob Ducsay
Hot take: X3 wasn’t THAT bad. It featured the action the other two lacked. The first two are amazing and the second one is brilliant. But, if they would’ve adapted the comic Phoenix storyline into this more “realistic” take on the X-Men, it wouldn’t have worked. They tried later with Dark Phoenix and still didn’t work. Also, they made everything about Wolverine, kinda understandable since Hugh makes such an amazing role, but I’m interested in the other mutants. Also, I can’t stand First Class.
Omg yes! The way they treated Scott was so disrespectful. He cried, Jean showed up, they kissed, he died (which we didn't see), and the film kept on pushing. Didn't even really talk about him after Jean and Wolvie's conversation after they take her back to the school until the end. And tell me why Storm, who has always been seen as one of the most powerful even when she wasn't treated right, was getting bodied by Callisto, who was nothing like her comic book counterpart? That was goofy to me. And Rogue... That is all. Even from the first film, the moment she showed up on screen, I was pissed. 😂 She didn't even call anyone "suga", and that's her trademark! 😭
Dark Pheonix did NOT kill that version. Jennifer Lawrence and that X-Women line, killed it. I watch people walk out of the theater at that point. You could literally SEE the audience throw their hands in the air and say "F This!"
14:25 solid editing and mashing dialogue here Mystique: "and BTW women are always saving the men around here you might want to think about changing the name to X Women" Wolverine: *Yeah good luck with that*
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In an alternate universe where the directors of X3 and Superman Returns were switched, I’m sure both films would have done much better with singer finishing his trilogy and Brett Ratner instilling his more lively directing style
I grew up in the times of Tobey’s Spider-Man, these X-Men, and what not pre MCU and never actually watched any of them full through, maybe the MCU’s X Men will finally get me to watch one
I remember hearing Halle Berry said she wanted a more central role, so the writers killed off Cyclops & Prof. X (which didn’t help Wolverine stealing the spot light anyway)
Halle Berry always fought to have Storm get more screen time since she was a key character in the comics and also in terms of representation, but not at the expense of other characters.
@@brizuelasergioo True, she did (and completely agree with you on the matter of Storm in the comics) Was just pointing out for this film in particular, she really kicked up a fuss. I think she threatened to leave the film if those demands weren’t meant, however I could be misremembering that (and it was a different actress on a different movie), so take that with a pinch of salt
It consistently baffles me how dumb studios can be when they have the most experience making films. They’ve been out of touch since the beginning of the superhero genre. Granted, they had some absolute bangers with the infinity saga but now that its over, they’re right back to their stupid BS.
I think the story arc for the Scarlet Witch in the MCU films and shows is a very good Dark Phoenix story. It spanned several movies and the show and showed her descent from becoming more powerful while going through so much trauma. Maybe X-3 should have been two movies as suggested.
No, you could argue Blade laid the foundation which X-Men benefited from. After all, it did come on the scene two years earlier and had a visual esthetic that it could be argued - for better or worse - inspired that of Singer's X-Men film. And let's not forget that Blade came before The Matrix as well.
@@BulletsandblockbustersHuh? That clearly doesn't make any sense, just say you didn't want a guy with tax problems taking credit for the beginning of Marvels success 😒
