Wow, reading through some of the comments, you got some hate for simply not liking a movie, smh! I guess your Bible verse is apropos. Pay no attention girl, you're one of the best reactors out there, tons of talent, beauty, and humor!
The reason Ramius was defecting was explained much better in the book (Tom Clancy's best). Ramius blamed the Soviet government for his wife's death, she had appendicitus (I think), the doctor who operated on her was drunk and killed her, the doctor was not punished for this because he was the son of a party bigwig. The rest of the officers had also seen far too much corruption in the government (authoritarianism breeds corruption) and Ramius collected officers he knew had beefs with the government for his crew. I'm sorry you didn't like it, I do but we all have different tastes and I still appreciated your reaction.
The reasons why you thought the movie was "flat" are the very reasons why the movie is so great. No overacting. No bullshit drama. It is realistic cold war politics.
C'mon man, admit it - It would have been a much better movie if Ryan had an affair with Ramius' wife, who was killed while trying to elude the KGB on her return home from their last secret liaison. Ramius wouldn't know the identity of her lover, but swore revenge, determined to find out who he was. As he ordered Ryan to turn the Red October toward the incoming Soviet torpedo, it hit him. He'd seen his wife reading the English language copy of Ryan's book on Halsey - not realizing she spoke English - which Ryan taught her while they were in bed together. Shortly thereafter, Ryan and Ramius must don scuba gear and work together to disable the Konavalov's propeller. Ryan almost dies in the process, but Ramius puts his personal animosity aside to save him for the sake of the mission. Meanwhile, Ryan's own wife was anxiously awaiting Admiral Greer's "layover" in London while back en route to Washington DC, which makes her lesbian lover jealous - but they both know it's only temporary and true love will win out in the end. There is also some foreshadowing of events which will take place in the next Jack Ryan movie: In the final scene, we learn the teddy bear is a KGB plant.
This film may not be as "exciting" for some younger film goers, but I really enjoyed the slow build and steady pace. It gave the film so much more atmosphere and a sense of adventure than say "Crimson Tide" where all they did was go around shouting the entire movie.
I was in my late teens when this came out, still in the thick of the cold war, and growing up in the 70s and 80s, knowing we could all die at the drop of a hat (Prince sang about this in "1999") well, this film was plenty thrilling.
It sounds like you're thinking "defect" means flawed, but in this case to "defect" means to leave one country and seek political asylum in another. It's the same use of the word if you left one company and went to work for the competition. (Edit, I typed that a few seconds too soon - it's obvious you know what it means.) It's rare and interesting to see a reactor saying they didn't like a movie, as if they have to keep their fans happy by liking what they like. So while I disagree (I thought it was a great movie - but them I'm also a Cold War Navy guy who's into Cold War spycraft), I respect your honesty. I don't see how they could have rushed any of the story any faster than they did without losing everyone, and there was nothing that could have been left out. Now if you can just start disliking the movies I dislike ... 😎
As a Scot, this is one of the best comedies ever made. Sean Connery isnt even trying with his Russian accent, its the same one any Scot will do. If you know someone Scottish, ask them, with no context, to do a Russian accent, i guarantee it wil sound exactly like Connery's. 😅
Taken from a Tom Clancy novel, a Jack Ryan book and one of about 3 Jack Ryan movies. I'm surprised you didn't like it as Clancy was king of the techno-thrillers for several decades and after Sean Connery joined the cast almost everyone in Hollywood fought to get a part of the movie. The actor that played the Captain of the Dallas actually spent time on a real Los Angeles Class submarine learning from a real Naval Ship Captain. Sam Neil (Jurassic Park) who played the Russian XO has 4th Stage Cancer and has accepted his fate...
I've now seen a number of younger reactors who grew up after the cold war not understanding or enjoying this movie. The Hunt for Red October does an excellent job of portraying cold war politics and submarine warfare. The movie didn't need to provide more explanation of the context and motivations when it was released in 1990, but perhaps it does today.
BTW, I love the Hunt for Red October. This movie also gave me a first time watching experience that I'll never forget. I first watched this movie in 1990 in a theater filled with US military information systems and intelligence soldiers who engaged and interacted throughout the movie, in spite of a broken projector requiring that we wait for the reel to be changed every 11 minutes.
Dear Lady, I love you, but you're not of the Cold War generation. I fought the Cold War and I see clearly the motivation of Captain Ramius and his officers, I see the American frustration, and, most of all, the Western victory in the end. Hurray, the good guys won, and the fucking communist lost, THATS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I think that may be part of her issue of enjoying the movie. I'm part of the tail end of Gen X, my father served during the Cold War and I agree growing up or being around during the Cold War, makes this so much more suspenseful. I love this movie and Crimson Tide! You would think with what's going on right now with Russia this movie would be more impactful for her. Both during the Cold War and now that looming threat of WWIII made books/movies like this so real, terrifying and suspenseful.
The Operations Room channel did a funny April Fools Day episode about this movie, treating it as a historical event. The movie itself is pretty silly, but it is a guilty pleasure for me as a former USN sonarman.
@@teddyj5187 Welcome to the watch list. But seriously, last time I checked the "worm drive" was a thing which existed in the lab, but still wasn't practical for submarines because it requires a huge amount of electricity, which itself produces more noise than desired. The story is that when the book came out the author got a visit from some government guys wanting to know how he knew so much about how all this classified stuff works. He had to prove that it was all available in "open" sources (as opposed to classified sources he wasn't supposed to have access to). I was told this by a former submariner who had gotten commissioned into another branch, and getting the story right wasn't exactly his strong point.
@@dougearnest7590 i see the evil swedish have the Stirling engine thats almost undetectable. Yay the watch list at least I now have someone who cares what I do 😂😂😂
*_Unfortunately, "Thor's Twins" is not the name of any real location but a pure creation from the author. Surprisingly to some, the vast majority of Oceans' floors are not precisely maps; even less named. So it was very easy for the author to dream up a geological formation in the Atlantic that suited his story: A deep trench between two impressive underwater mountains, which he name Thor's Twins; probably because he thought it sounded imposing and/or cool!_*
I think you would have enjoyed it more if you had seen a few of the WWII submarine movies to get a feel for what it may have been like. Growing up during the cold war would have given you a different perspective also.
The novel and this movie were more about the times, the devices, and humans operating as though they were devices rather than the persons. The Cold War was that kind of thing, with a real effort by both sides to remove personality from the prosecution of war, particularly nuclear war. The challenge of this story was for the American side to see Ramius as a _person_ rather than as a cog in a machine, and that required Americans to see themselves as persons more than cogs in their own machine.
In reality, missile submarines were never thought of as first strike weapons since they had land based missiles. Flying time of a missile launched from land between USSR and USA is so short that shortening the distance with submarines posed no significant advantage. Missile submarines were always second strike weapons. They're supposed to hide in the depth (the Soviets were less successful in that compared to NATO) so that you do not know where to shoot if you DO a first strike. So the subs survive and can strike back.
Please read the book by Tom Clancy. Yes, there are variations of the Jack Ryan Character. Harrison Ford did 2 movies as Jack Ryan. Ben Affleck and Chris Pine (caption Kirk in the Star Trek movies) and John Krazenski(spell?) in the Amazon series. I have to say that 1st season with JK was off the chain! It was really done so well.
GABBY - READ THIS: This movie was very meaningful when it came out, because the globally lethal Cold War had ended so very recently and people knew how dangerous it was to most of the people on our planet. The danger of that time is not so well understood now, unlike the German Nazism of the 1940s, which we continue to understand to this day. In the story, the point of creating the Red October super submarine was to re-do the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, but this time to have the Russians win. Hypothetically speaking, if you knew as little about Nazism as you do about the mutually-assured-destruction Cold War, then the movie Casablanca would also not be particularly meaningful to you. (Why were people so keen to flee the Nazis? What does it matter?) At a moment when the 1962 negotiations were failing, President Kennedy told his wife to take the kids and go to a far away safe place. But she refused. She said she couldn't live without him. She told him that if the worse came to worst, she and the kids would join him on the south lawn of the White House, and they would all watch together as the Russian missiles came in and destroyed the entire world that they knew. This was serious fucking shit. And I am from that era. GABBY: You have GOT to see the brilliant movie FAIL SAFE starring Henry Fonda. It is a kind of "Part 2" of the real life Cuban Missile Crisis. It is directed by Sidney Lumet, who brought us 12 Angry Men. And once again, in this film Henry Fonda asks the pivotal question "IS it possible? COULD IT have happened?" Also consider seeing Thirteen Days, a docu-drama of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Even though the Cold War against the Communist Bloc countries vs NATO was mostly over when this movie was released, it still fascinated audiences. 0:53 Jack, I don't think anyone has to explain turbulence to a flight attendant. 😁 14:00 One genius US Navy enlisted man uses his cassette tape recorder to find out how to track the Soviet silent submarine. This part of the story has to be based on an actual event.
I agree, the movie also fell flat for me too. Thanks for a great reaction, and your honest opinion! Don't let any disagreement in the comments change the way do them.
NOT a spoiler regarding what happens in a movie, but definitely a heads-up for your consideration. You mentioned in other comments that "Das Boot" is on your list of things to watch and react to. If you didn't care for this movie, you're going to get a lot more of the same in Das Boot, but in much more intense doses. I think if you mentally prepare for an interesting ride up front, you'll be better able to enjoy the movie. It isn't a ride you watch, it's a ride you take. In short: Das Boot is to Hunt for Red October as The Pacific is to Band of Brothers.
This is my favorite film of all time but I truly appreciate your candor, it's not for everyone and that's ok. Anyone saying otherwise sounds a bit "get off my lawn, whippersnappers." I'm right there with you on Total Recall though, haha. You make a good point about Ramius' defecting intentions, it's really just a macguffin, which if you don't know what that is is what kicks off the story that doesn't really matter to the movie. They could definitely have explored it a bit more considering it would be such a life changing decision that one makes. Thanks for this, and see ya around!
27:22 I think you had to be there. I understand why it wouldn't work for a younger audience. I get you are a film nerd but sometimes torpedoes miss huh. I was like 8 when this came out saw it at like 15, loved it. Das Boot vibes.
Great movie I hope you do all Jack Ryan movies especially the ones with Harrison Ford. You also check up the great Sean Connery Rip movies like The Name of the Rose, The Untouchables, Highlander, The Rock and of course his iconic Bond movies.
Great observation, the movie is flat. Tension builds only to be quickly resolved. We have the mystery of the sub doors, quickly solved. We have the mystery of Ramius' intentions, quickly solved. Will the sub captain follow orders to fire on the Red October... no. Then all we're left watching how it all plays out. This is pretty typical of Clancy's early writing and the other Jack Ryan movies (starring Harrison Ford in the role) are better.
The sub doors aren't meant to be a mystery. Ramius' intentions are not meant to be a mystery. "How it all plays out" is the entire point and that is a mystery up until the last sub is sunk. The other point is the cold blooded calculations that are involved in these cold war games and the kind of people that can perform those cold blooded calculations.
The Soviet Unions Typhoon Class submarine is the largest submarines ever made by man, only 7 of them were made by the Soviet Union, today only 1 is still active, as far as their nuclear armament is concerned, each one is comparable to the U.S. Ohio class submarines, of which the U.S. has built and is still in active service, however the Typhoon class is actually shorter than the Ohio class, BUT it is significantly thicker top to bottom than the Ohio class and it is nearly 30 feet WIDER than the Ohio class and weighs 3 times as much as the Ohio class.
In regards to comments disagreeing with not liking/vibing with the film: I think those kind comments miss out on one of the things that (at least to me) makes reaction channels interesting. I never saw the point of reaction channels but having now watched some I really enjoy seeing how someone who's different to me and has different tastes sees the world. (Yes I understand it's a little ironic for me to complain about those commentators having a different view to me when my point is that we shouldn't complain about people having different views 😛. I get that!) My point is I love Hunt for Red October, for me it's one of the best films ever made, but I already have that opinion. Watching someone else watch it from a different perspective is interesting because it's a rare opportunity to listen to and understand someone with a completely different view to me. I think that's really cool and valuable. Anyway, that's why I've subscribed. 😊
S. Connery, A. Baldwin, S. Neill, S. Skarsgård great actors wow! The music in this movie is great. 😎 I like these kind of movies, a little diffrent with a lot of talking. But still interesting, it works! You suit better in straight hair. 👍
I guess I was more attached to the characters because I've read all the books about Ryan. Clancy was an excellent writer. I read his books while I was still enlisted and a lot of his data was way too close to the truth. I was shocked that he was allowed to include some of the things he talked about. Anyhow, I suppose the movie was more thrilling to people who read the books. "Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty."
"Thor's Twins" could be a reference to these two goats that he had (since Thor has no children) that pulled his chariot. I believe they were the ones that appeared in Love & Thunder. In the mythology, Thor apparently ate the goats, then resurrected them.
This film and the original Tom Clancy novel were INSPIRED by true events of various Russian naval vessels and a submarine crew defecting to the west during the Cold War. The high tech sub, The Red October, was based on submarine propulsion technology that had been researched, but I don't believe ever implemented. The sub interiors were created to look cool, but the set designers got so much correct in comparison to real life submarines, the U.S. Navy wondered where the filmmakers got their information from.
@12:54 No. by "defect" they mean seek asylum in the US and turn the submarine over to the US military. Prior soviet aircraft pilots have done this with fighters before as well. I don't think a US pilot has ever defected in the opposite direction with an aircraft or naval vessel but on occasion soldiers have (generally suffering legal issues or emotional issues). I loved this film but maybe that's because I read the original Tom Clancy novel it is based on. I actually have a t-shirt that references the movie asking for "One Ping Only Vasily." If you want a submarine movie that is VERY intense, try "Crimson Tide" with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman.
You are one of the best reactors out there. You ever start going hard and you will be in the hundred thousand sub area in no time. Dont be like alot of these tho and start changing. You are perfect
Im sorry you hated it, me personally i felt it was a good movie. I think people nowadays need all the time action with people making funny quips. I like the intrigue and tension throughout this movie.
You gotta read the book. The book is always better. Patriot Games and Sum Of All Fears are both proof of that. The movie versions suck, but the books are some of Clancy's best..
A movie that's less submarine & more Cold War hysteria is the 1960s comedy The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! Likable characters on both sides, & humor based on an absurd situation, & Americans believing it's a Soviet attack when they're just in an awkward spot needing help.
I'm surprised you didn't like this one, It's one of my favourites. Having said that, the book is way better! Also appreciate your honesty! You can't like everything...
Yup, same Jack Ryan as the Amazon series.However, in the next three entries in the film franchisem Harrison Ford took over the Jack Ryan role, and I think Ben Affleck was Ryan in the final move. They might be more to your taste
I felt the same way about this movie. Of the 3 Tom Clancy Jack Ryan movies from this era, I prefer the two following this one - Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. I suspect you would find those more engaging.
The question is where you entertained ? Thats all it supposed to do! On a side note you don't know how big it was for someone to switch sides or defect weather it was American or Russian!
Gabby, it's a pity that you didn't pick "Das Boot" 1981 instead. Also, a submarine movie, but in a completely different league in every single aspect; story, music, cinematography, etc… Maybe one day we will hear "My first time watching Das Boot, let's go ahead and watch this" 😁
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I remember how scary the idea of this movie was as a teenager. But today's reality is even worse! Because Russian submarines with there tsunami torpedoes are off the coast of Cuba right now this very minute
I'm sorry this film didn't click with you. I could see (because I spent much of the time just gazing at your beautiful face) that you were gradually losing interest. Maybe it's too much of a "guy" film? I don't know. I always enjoy watching the story play out and feeling the tension rise. Thanks for your gentle reaction that turns away wrath. :)
IMO, the new Jack Ryan shows are terrible- over dramatized, not smart, no interesting technical details-the technical aspects of the film, while not exciting in the modern movie goer sense, are brilliant to those that enjoy technical details in a movie- something missing for a decade or two.
It's boring to you because you know nothing about naval operations. I've played navel simulators and can follow most of the jargon. This movie had me on the edge of my seat in the 90s
I am sorry you didn't like this film. One cannot like every movie that one sees. At least you are honest, and that is a good thing. There are a series of Jack Ryan films. Alec Baldwin didn't return to the role for the next one, although James Earl Jones did. In order: - Patriot Games - Harrison Ford takes on the role of Jack Ryan, and the story revolves around the IRA (Irish Republican Army). It co-stars Sean Bean, Samuel L. Jackson, Polly Walker (Bridgerton), and Richard Harris (Professor Dumbledore #1 in the first 2 Harry Potter films). - Clear and Present Danger - Ford returns and must deal with the drug cartels and a black operation to stop them. Willem Dafoe co-stars. - The Sum of All Fears - Ben Affleck tries his hand at Ryan with Morgan Freeman co-starring. This film was not very good, and it tanked the franchise for a good 10 years. - Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit - Chris Pine stars as Ryan, and it's a re-boot. The story is an original, not based on any Tom Clancy novel. How Ryan came to the CIA, etc. Co-stars Kevin Costner, Keira Knightly, and Kenneth Branagh (who plays the villain and directed the film). Then...you were right... Jack Ryan - John Krasinski as Ryan. I saw the first three seasons and liked it. I am still waiting to see the fourth. I suggest giving Patriot Games a try. I love both Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger...and would loved to have seen Harrison Ford continue on as Ryan.
8:08 This is the difference between men and women. Your superior knows you are the sh*t, no one else can give this briefing. Affirmed for him. I'm in my zone. Of course rattling. Don't f**k up. Women: How can you dump it on this poor man this late. Girl, this is his oxygen
I agree, this movie is fantastic! However, as a woman I have to say, this is not more of a dude movie. It's an incredible action and suspense movie and you can never go wrong with a movie with Sean Connery and James Earl Jones in it!
I guess this movie was too "high brow " for you. Stick with the stupider stuff. It suits you better. Kind of like how you abandoned the show The Pacific because it was not fluffy enough for you. This was a great movie with terrific tension and build up.
