The Idol: Why HBO's Scandalous Show was Shockingly... Boring

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The Idol was initially hyped up as a scandalous, dark, and erotic new must-see from director Sam Levinson and musician The Weeknd (Abel Tesfaye) but it turned out to mostly just be… a boring mess. So what went wrong? (And did anything go right?) Today we’re taking a look at everything that went wrong behind the scenes, what actually went down on the show, and the few bright spots that do exist.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Why The Idol flopped so hard
01:38 The behind-the-scenes drama
05:15 Rocket Money
06:20 The shows biggest pitfalls
13:04 Some redeeming qualities...
CREDITS
Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah McCullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Allen
Writer: Jessica Babineaux
Narrator: Jessica Babineaux
Video Editor: Dan Wolff

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@thetake 11 месяцев назад

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@Jcnfia 11 месяцев назад

Remember when in Euphoria they literally said Maddy was secretly in control when she lost her virginity as a teenager to a middle aged man? That almost exactly sums up the sentiments of this show imo

@ndj256 11 месяцев назад

Ikr like Sam's weird ass really thought that was edgy or something 🙄🤮

@larissabrglum3856 11 месяцев назад

What the fuck

@vit968 11 месяцев назад

The kind of BS Sam Levinson writes.

@nnendatasie-amadi9572 11 месяцев назад

frrr

@zzzmariana 11 месяцев назад

Fr, I remember being like "shut up, Rue"

@samfilmkid 11 месяцев назад

If this show wanted to convince us that the industry is full of a bunch of talentless hacks with too much money that get by by making shock with little to no substance…it certainly succeeded.

@jpaola9659 11 месяцев назад

😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 there’s more substance in this comment than the whole bunch of episodes that sound like a reading of the script.

@ragingzim 11 месяцев назад

meta

@itekenaiyowuna4965 11 месяцев назад

@@jpaola9659 You live a simple life that's why you couldn't see the content in the show. The show wasn't for your type, it was to reveal to people the narcissistic parts of themselves. But you don't get it and you won't.

@societycrumbles 11 месяцев назад

@@itekenaiyowuna4965 Nah, some of us just have good taste.

@itekenaiyowuna4965 11 месяцев назад

@@societycrumbles You're a teenager, right?

@audreylockhart90 11 месяцев назад

Style over substance is a Sam Levinson trademark. It looks great, visually with good costumes and set designs, but the actual content is so… nothing 🤷🏼‍♀️

@R_t-99 11 месяцев назад

Exactly so was euphoria.

@milk.8793 11 месяцев назад

@@R_t-99season 2 especially 👨‍💻📉

@toxichater2970 11 месяцев назад

and it's not even his work, but the designers and editors that saved it

@Morgan-lm6ns 11 месяцев назад

@@milk.8793yep, season one is good only because it was based on a israeli show, when he was on his own it went down hill

@amornalie7525 11 месяцев назад

It's so irritating, i used to see fan edits of euphoria and was like 'wow this show must be really good i def gotta watch it' but then as soon as i did everything was so senseless and dumb, I wonder how on earth Levinson got another opportunity to film an even bad series

@favouriteghost 11 месяцев назад

my favourite part was the clever use of 'show don't tell' by giving us a months long time jump and then have three characters talking over each other to tell us what had happened in that time. brilliant.

@LuisSierra42 11 месяцев назад

My favorite part was when the weekend looked directly into the camera and said "It's idol time" definitely one of the scenes of all time

@chinortega3 11 месяцев назад

@@LuisSierra42damn I missed that. Guess I gotta finish the show now lmao

@spaghetto9836 11 месяцев назад

My favorite part is when The Idol said "Hnng 😬😬". Truly a scene of all time.

@malvavisco10 11 месяцев назад

You specifically used the word tell, so how is that “show, don’t tell” ?

@availanila 11 месяцев назад

@@malvavisco10that's the joke. The ideal is show, don't tell but these two started with showing but wound up telling. God explaining a joke sucks.

@ItsLoHere 11 месяцев назад

the idea that "women use the male gaze to hold power over men" as a major theme of the show really plays into what was said in the RS expose article and honestly I hope all the talented actors move on from working with Sam because they are worth is so much more than what Sam brings to the table

@blackirish6868 11 месяцев назад

Women do use that power though.

@smaay 11 месяцев назад

Can you link the articles or give me the title? I fully believe you but I wanna see it for myself, out of curiosity.

@dorkistan6344 11 месяцев назад

@@blackirish6868Can't blame them though. Many people pay to see those woman in tiny outfits, singing songs with explicit sexual content. They are allowed to objectify themselves but people don't need to make them rich just because they are showing some skin

@DM-nw5lu 11 месяцев назад

@@blackirish6868 More often than not women's sexuality is abused by men to gain what they want than by women to get what THEY want. If men are going to be abusive as*holes might as well turn it on them. Decent guys will not let a woman have power over them by using her sexuality as they will view her as more than that and if they don't like what they see behind the facade they'll move on unscathed.

@jojojett 11 месяцев назад

I started to see things about the original production and it's really sad to think that the series could have been something much cooler and more interesting

@RomanPhilosopher 11 месяцев назад

The original version was more about the cult, lacked Destiny, and was by early reports boring and not focused on the music industry.

@kellygoodman6167 11 месяцев назад

@@RomanPhilosopher Really? because this one just gave torture porn and we hardly saw anything about her music career or what makes her popular with her fans

@tagz12345 11 месяцев назад

@@RomanPhilosopher Destiny is overrated in my opinion and the thing in the ending where she set Tedros back up with Jocelyn saying everyone has a past (his being that he kidnapped and beat his ex to oblivion, recruited underage girls into his cult and was convcicted for 6yrs with a 400pg legal document outlining his severe abuse of multiple women) was really not okay.

@Ashbrash1998 11 месяцев назад

@@RomanPhilosopherand this was better?

@DarrenNoFun 11 месяцев назад

@@RomanPhilosopherso instead of it being boring, it was boring and bad? That's... Better?

@HannahAngel123 11 месяцев назад

Abel is straight up unwatchable.

@zuzanna6581 11 месяцев назад

This show is a mockery of sexual violence victims, sexism within industry, and generally the most disgusting thing I've seen so far. It has really lost my hope for modern cinema. And the fact they scrapped the initial female director due to "too much of a female perspective" is so far the biggest step backwards for women in media this generation would've seen in contemporary pop culture. It has turned abuse and female suffering into the male gaze and fetishism. It also revealed to me the true nature and intention of Euphoria which I looked up to as a child, I now realise it's a disgusting portrayal of glamourised pedophilia. Whoever enjoyed watching high schoolers (For example, the character played by Sydney Sweeney) sexually performing even if it is acting, also happens to be excited by those ideas which it intends to portray.

@TheealmightyBidduck 11 месяцев назад

Honestly, this entire show is a mockery of anything (book, show, movie, etc.) that touches on the issues within the entertainment industry.

@Lolalolo1996 8 месяцев назад

There is a really good Koren Horror film called White Curse of the Melody. If you take a way the ghost story it's a biting look at the music industry mainly the K-pop world but damn is it a good film. This could have been that but instead, it was a male sex fantasy

@ajwaddanwarr3409 11 месяцев назад

In one word it was shallow, we watched all 5 episode and honestly I still can't tell you what its about. It literally feels like Sam and Weeknd made this show to leer at young vulnerable women. I have said this before and I will say it again Sam has all the telltale sign of director/producer who harasses young woman, we have seen this too many time and this guy isn't even subtle about it. If Hollywood truly changed and it wasn't all virtue signaling PR someone would have looked into this guys weird creepy behaviours. His last 4 project all had to some capacity scenes were older man leer or take advantage of younger women..... like guys come on?? I get the need to express female sexuality and female perspective, I loved Rue and Lexi and how they were written...... but is a creepy middle age dude the best director for these projects?? Amy Seimetz is proven talent, and when she left you knew something sus was going on.

@toecutterjones 11 месяцев назад

He sucks, dude is just another Hollywood nepo baby.

@maxxmarino6500 11 месяцев назад

Yet you watch the entire series.. lmfao.

@nybraveheartIII 11 месяцев назад

@@maxxmarino6500yea they gave it a chance to see if it was that bad and made insightful observations about it. They made worthy commentary of the show and it’s creators.

@ajwaddanwarr3409 11 месяцев назад

@@maxxmarino6500 You can't criticize something without watching the whole thing, it would be hypocritic of us to criticize mainstream critics for doing the exact very thing only for us to do it as well. Although I think I could have stopped after 3, I thought it was a 10 ep series not 5.

@maxxmarino6500 11 месяцев назад

@@ajwaddanwarr3409 that would be a reasonable excuse if you were a paid critic but you're not lmao, and neither were any of the other hundreds, probably even thousands of people who watched the whole series, while claiming they couldn't bare to..I've never in my life been watching something for the first time and been like "hmm this isn't really for me, I'm not enjoying it, guess I'll just stop watching it because that's common sense...actually wait a minute, how will I possibly post comments criticizing it if I don't force myself to watch the entire series? Hmm better keep watching.. you know, so I can accurately convey how much i didn't want to; people are depending on me"

@tylerwatkins2923 11 месяцев назад

I actually just realized that Leia is Jocelyn’s Lexi. She is a meek passive best friend to a self destructive troubled young woman. She tries to to help but never does anything about it herself and lets whatever happens happen. She the one sane character in a show full of people who are uncaring at best and sociopaths at worst like Lexi in Euphoria

@aspyn.j_ 11 месяцев назад

and the girl (i think her name is chloe) played by suzanna son is basically cassie, aesthetic-wise.

@amattes1960 11 месяцев назад

The problem with being the sane best friend is that sanity isn't dominating and is therefore less powerful. That's because insanity is about power before all else. Insanity grows out of being made powerless and being abused in childhood. The lesson learnt is to become as powerful as possible first so that you're never hurt again. I'm not talking about the narrow definition of insanity that is psychosis, I mean the boarder definition of mentally unhealthy states and behaviour. Mostly Cluster B personality traits. It is all about getting power and keeping power the fastest and most efficient way possible. Preferably absolute power i.e. domination. People who value other things in life like love and equality find themselves made powerless when around people who seek domination in all situations. It's not that you cannot take power if you value love and equality, but power-hungry dominating people cannot share power. Dominating people cannot look at others as equals in a consistent way. They see all relationships as win or lose, and people who don't play to win find themselves in the losing position all the time.

@gigglebox365 11 месяцев назад

Lexi has way more agency, the power dynamics between Leia and Jocelyn are fucked. what exactly are Leia's options? if she pushes too hard, she's risking more than friendship -- she's also out of a paycheck and a place to sleep. she tries to ask Destiny and Chaim for help multiple times and they ignore her bc they care more about the possibility of making hits and money. I didn't watch all of Euphoria s2 but didn't Lexi write and perform an entire play about how shitty she thought her sister was? sounds like some truly uncaring and wildly passive aggressive behavior to me

@killme5630 11 месяцев назад

@@gigglebox365 im pretty sure leah, given her job and position, has a good amount of money and better chances at finding another job lol

@adrielayson749 11 месяцев назад

It was Sam and Abel's fault that the show went 100% bad. Abel was too obsessed with having it be focused on him and Rose-Depp's character doing sex and lewd acts. Even the original director had to leave cause of the conflicts she was having with Abel. Even Jennie discussed how she had a bigger role in the story too but was reduced cause of Sam and Abel.

@majamatejic9235 11 месяцев назад

jennie didn't say that lmao. weeknd brought her after levinson took over, amy left in april, jennie was casted in july

@tylerwatkins2923 11 месяцев назад

I honestly felt so bad for Leia like let’s be real at the end of the day she was just an assistant and had no real power over anything in the end she did the only thing she could do and got the hell out of dodge

@Alltherestofus 11 месяцев назад

I also felt bad for Leia, but at times felt like she had no backbone. I was remember saying out loud “thank god” when she chose to quit and leave quietly.

@archiebuchan2563 11 месяцев назад

Glad we saw none of that, but all of hollywoods most boring cult sit about a mansion and have the same conversations 100 times over

@MegaHerrera89 11 месяцев назад

@@archiebuchan2563I thought the same thing! The cult story plot was pointless and went nowhere. The cult was literally them partying and singing. How is that a cult? He really thought that storyline was genius! He wasn't a cult leader. He was just a loser drug addict.

@missqueen8886 11 месяцев назад

I think they wanted this to be like a Marilyn Monroe or Britney Spears kind of story But instead, they turned it into a gritty Fifty Shades of Grey/joker and Harley. Quinn love story

@LordTitus7 11 месяцев назад

It seems to be based on Sharon Stones’s character in Basic Instinct, she watched it during the show and dressed like her on the finale

@trinaq 11 месяцев назад

The Weeknd's attempts at being dramatic are laughable, he should definitely stick with singing. Also, it'll probably get a second season, on account of the hate watching.

@Esperanca91 11 месяцев назад

Don't think so. I saw the viewership numbers and they were record-low for a hight-budget sunday night show. A total flop.

@kamsismith 11 месяцев назад

The Weeknd needs to stick to singing because most musicians aren't good actors with a couple of good ones. If you want a story about a female musician struggling with mental health and it's portrayed sympathetically and sensitively, I recommend The Unraveling of Cassidy Holmes. The book is about Cassidy Holmes(as the title suggests), a former member of Gloss, a 90s-2000s girl group that's based on the Spice Girls. She commits suicide and the members who haven't spoken to her after they disbanded attempt to process the loss and wonder what they should have done to help her. It's a much more interesting story than The Idol.

@theodorafyn 11 месяцев назад

Its already been cancelled

@EmpressJusticeTarot 11 месяцев назад

There's no way. HBO can do all the damage control it wants, if a show is ending on Episode 5, it's definitely been cancelled.

@jaydas8976 11 месяцев назад

I don’t think it’ll get a second season because the viewership after the first episode massively declined, I’m glad I never watched it, because it sounds terrible

@sapphic.flower 11 месяцев назад

Crazy how The Weeknd said in an interview how he played a character that was “nothing like him”… that’s a weird thing to say?? Considering he removed Amy Seimetz for taking it in “too much of a female perspective”, I wonder if he had an easier time playing this cartoonishly evil-turned-“sympathetic” predator that he can distance himself from over what Seimetz supposedly wrote that made The Weeknd so uncomfortable? 🙃 Or did he just want to give Sam Levinson full control because he knew that meant he got to mistreat women for “story”? It literally feels like Sam Levinson is Flip directing Philbert and The Weeknd is Bojack Horseman. It’s literally filmed in his house?!? Like c’mon!

@flawedsanity 11 месяцев назад

Lol I've seen the Philbert comparisons before, but oh my, the house thing is wild. Didn't even cross my mind before.

@TheJoel0508 11 месяцев назад

Even in the Seimetz version he was still the same Tedros, the focus was just more on Jocelyn and the whole cult thing than him. Seimetz only directed, she didn't write any of the characters. Also, they filmed it at his house to keep the budget low. This literally takes like 10 seconds of research to find out and you couldn't even do that before writing your comment smh

@sapphic.flower 11 месяцев назад

@@TheJoel0508 even if it's still the same Tedros, it still would've been handled differently with another director? You think the movie would've actually come out the exact same with the exact same character writing if it were Seimetz's version over Levinson's? She had the same synopses but had a different take and taking it in a "female perspective" is a lot more suspicious than just saying she focused too much on Jocelyn. There's an emphasis on the gender. 🤷🏻 But even if that was The Weeknd's problem, I also find it inappropriate of him to get rid of a director because he wanted to be as much of a main character when he was clearly meant to be the antagonist. And in the end, he played along with and was even creatively involved in the objectifying filth that was Levinson's version JUST so he can also get a lot of screentime?? Ridiculous.

@sapphic.flower 11 месяцев назад

@@TheJoel0508 also the house part I just brought up because of how much it paralleled that specific Bojack Horseman arc, it's not like it was a bad thing that it was? Just that it's uncanny.

@TheJoel0508 11 месяцев назад

@@sapphic.flower Ofcourse it would have been handled differently, but from what we know, it wouldn't have been THAT different. When it comes to TV shows, directors don't have as much power as when directing film. It's mostly up to the writers, the showrunner and the producers. And why is it necessarily bad that he didn't want to lean too much into the female perspective? Does all art have to be about the female perspective at all times? And even if I were to grant you that he "got rid of her" (cause we don't know that, they said creative overhaul) so he could get more screentime, the show was literally his own idea, and he always intended to play Tedros, so what's so inherently bad in wanting to have more screentime in YOUR OWN show? Edit: I do agree that Sam Levinson is a shit director though, The Weeknd should have called in the Safdie Brothers from Uncut Gems to direct instead.

@slayerduval1 11 месяцев назад

Euphoria had a lot of exceptional actors and it makes the difference. Jacob Elordi was playing a monster (on paper) and he managed to imbue Nate Jacobs with such damaged humanity. Sidney Sweeney was playing arguably the "worst teenage girl on the planet" but it was such a committed and vanity-free performance, that I marvel at it during re-watches. And I cannot say enough good things about how Zendaya played her character - it's a beautiful and and achingly vulnerable performance. I could barely stomach an episode of The Idol because no one the screen was able to surpass the god-awful writing. Everyone was terrible and was "highly aware" that there was a camera on them. Nothing rang true, it was boring exploitation and everyone involved should be pretty goddamn embarrassed about it.

@AllyEhasz 11 месяцев назад

YES

@LLandS18 11 месяцев назад

Both shows are boring. I'm glad people like you for you but oh my god it's just another teen drama with more sex. It's any teen drama is so stupid like it's just come on nothing's that important in high school.

@alim.9801 9 месяцев назад

This is a fantastic take and I agree. Even talented actors can't act above bad writing at times man

@dinovrsrobot 11 месяцев назад

Abel’s acting was like a giant Key and Peele sketch lol

@TheMagdalenaBB 11 месяцев назад

I liked everyone's performance except Weeknds. This could've been a good dark comedy or satire with a different approach.

@Oxcymoron 11 месяцев назад

Same although I find Abel’s acting was best when being intentionally meek and pathetic, specifically in the finale. Him trying to be “sexy” or intimidating fell flat and was cringe and hilarious.

@chidivids2005 11 месяцев назад

"It has too much of a female perspective" they say about the show about a female character... I love Hollywood😑

@cleverlilvixen 11 месяцев назад

Always sad to see potential go to waste…😢

@LuisSierra42 11 месяцев назад

The director is a perv, he probably would find more success directing real porn instead of this diluted version

@FuzzyKittenBoots 11 месяцев назад

I don't think there ever was much potential there to be honest? Even if Seimetz had stayed on as director and producer Levinson and the Weeknd were still the creators and cowriters of the script. The Weeknd would still play Tedros and Depp (she is *not* a good actress, she just doesn't look as bad next to the Weeknd) would still be playing Jocelyn. It might have been slightly better and way less offensive but I doubt that we missed out on some sort of masterpiece. Maybe if Seimetz had been working with other people but that was never the case.

@Kaastengels 11 месяцев назад

@@FuzzyKittenBoots seimetz' the idol didn't include sam levinson though

@FuzzyKittenBoots 11 месяцев назад

@@Kaastengels It did. He was a writer from the start just not the director.

@Black_pearl_adrift 11 месяцев назад

“He’s so rape-y” “Yeah I kind of like that about him.” That whole exchange turned me off the show. It’s so cheesy and weird

@tribecalledmaya 11 месяцев назад

right. WEIRD!

@larissabrglum3856 11 месяцев назад

r/menwritingwomen

@Dm34421 11 месяцев назад

The Weeknd and Sam oversold the show and didn’t deliver. This show stained The Weeknd’s career and there’s no way he’ll recover. It’s obvious he acted like a diva and Sam was bossing around the production crew.

@Clubsandwichchav 11 месяцев назад

You mean an acting career, right? Because musically it doesnt get better than the weekend.

@rathan3288 11 месяцев назад

@@Clubsandwichchavcan we stop acting like he's some sort of a musical prodigy? His music is good but it's not as great as his fans are making it up to be. Also a lot of his lyrics are painfully cringey 😬

@bologneseprince 11 месяцев назад

@@Clubsandwichchav lmaooo

@Clubsandwichchav 11 месяцев назад

@@rathan3288 That's your opinion, he has broken multiple records of other greats and is one of the best R B singers of all time.

@rathan3288 11 месяцев назад

@@Clubsandwichchav The most viewed music video on RU-vid is that ''baby shark do do doo doo'' thing 💀 High numbers and records don't automatically mean high quality. ''Musically it doesn't get better than the weekend'' seriously? 😭 There's always someone better.

@Belihoney 11 месяцев назад

I feel like this show (production and show)just exemplifies the male brain. I see this as a sociological study

@BarbieMariposa1613 11 месяцев назад

This show doesn't exemplifies how the male brain. This show exemplifies how the mind of mentally retarded people works. I have seen men and women (but mostly men) who have liked this show.

@PumaArg 11 месяцев назад

😂😂😂❤❤❤

@9000ck 11 месяцев назад

it was boring because none of the characters were interesting or likable. none - not a single one.

@shearsbilly5240 11 месяцев назад

Not a SINGLE one, I couldn’t stand anybody😂

@marymitchell6257 11 месяцев назад

If you’re interested in media that’s about women that have been abused but treats them respectfully as three-dimensional beings, I would suggest The Piano Teacher. It’s fucked up but one million times more interesting and never feels exploitative.

@taran6167 11 месяцев назад

I 100% agree with you and really glad that someone is at least giving haneke his due credit for the humane representation of his characters.

@fRiiEdA97 11 месяцев назад

As someone who s really interested in cult dynamics I actually stuck it out with the whole show. It was weird because at first there seemed to have been done so much research in cults and I could see a lot of it in the show - like cults actually looking for high performers to be able to extract more money or sex or power from them, or having a really weird but (for some people) charismatic leader (Raniere from NXIVM is a great example of someone who somehow becomes a cult leader even though he seems just like a weirdo) or using song and overwhelming displays of affection to rope people in. Like the elements were there. But then especially the ending, with Jocelyn somehow taking over the cult and noone stopping her… That didn’t really make sense at all.

@Jess-yo9rt 11 месяцев назад

What I understood is that Joss only took over because she showed actual power and resources to make those talented kids a real chance to succeed, as the opposite of tedros

@zamorapakalolo1389 11 месяцев назад

I saw it as she used him to make the album she wanted, had him exposed and ruined his rep, then brought him back because she needed him creatively.

@trinaq 11 месяцев назад

The only character who acted remotely like a real human being was Leia, and she just idly stood back and let her supposed best friend Jocelyn get harassed. Not that she was treated any better herself.

@Loch1210 11 месяцев назад

The music industry is filled with people who don’t act like human beings, though

@favouriteghost 11 месяцев назад

rachel sennott was completely wasted. she did her best but exactly, her character didn't DO anything. she could deliver her lines in a funny way but it's not enough

@denisablaskova3269 11 месяцев назад

I mean what was she supposed to do? She tried to warn Destiny and Chaim it was the least she could do, and in the end of the day she released she doesn't belong to show biz and left which was the best decision.

@bellareid3488 11 месяцев назад

The real question is why was Lela's makeup always so awful, lol. What the hell was that?

@gigglebox365 11 месяцев назад

@@bellareid3488 lol omg thank you for pointing this out! was it to make her seem like a tryhard? attempting to fit in with Jocelyn's crowd though she's out of her depth? it's giving "teen who thinks they're being cool and mature" energy

@SW-jg7yh 11 месяцев назад

Also... The last song Dollhouse makes it look like its addressing daddy issies but HER FATHER IS NEVER MENTOONED 😭

@PeachesNCream444 11 месяцев назад

I disagree about the ending, it looked like she replaced her mom's abusive role in her life with tedrous. She looks at the brush sadly after achieving what she wants and feeling fulfilled only to realize she did like the abuse at some point. Instead of healing she chose to be unhealthy & at the end when she invites him to the show she publicly makes the grandiose speech about how much he means to her and how she got here. I believe she chose success through pain instead of facing her abuse, she bought the new brush to symbolize that she chose this. She doesn't need her mom anymore but she also needs the unhealthy habits bc that's her normal unfortunately.

@dannielleburrus6117 11 месяцев назад

Your interpretation is so much richer and more coherent than the one put out by the director and The Weekend.

@PeachesNCream444 11 месяцев назад

@@dannielleburrus6117 well damn, why thank you💕

@smaay 11 месяцев назад

This'd have been such a better ending. Sadly, it's not true, the "real" ending is Tedros is Jocelyn's victim, Levinson said so himself in the "Inside the episode" video and it was "hinted" (if you can call that hint) at in the beginning where Jocelyn is taking pictures and goes through all emotions effortless and when they torture Xander and he tells The Weeknd Jocelyn is a manipulation mastermind and she's manipulating him too.

@MissieK 11 месяцев назад

I am sorry but anything LRD said during promo I just can't believe it. They are being paid for this promo so obviously they won't say 'it was terrible and i felt uncomfortable' LRD, Weeknd and SL interviews during the show were marketing it as groundbreaking and never done before. You can't take that seriously even if you try. Especially with Sam using similar wording with the writer of Succession (right after the show ended) made it look like he wanted to sell it as something better than it was

@randomchannel323 11 месяцев назад

This show is a huge stain on the weeknd's legacy that he can't undo now

@larissabrglum3856 11 месяцев назад

It really makes me think less of him as a person

@shearsbilly5240 11 месяцев назад

This show was so bad 😂😂😂

@zachmiller8725 11 месяцев назад

Hey, The Take, With all that's going down with TCM right now, I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard from you guys on the matter. It sounds like a perfect opportunity to discuss the necessity of not only TCM specifically, but engaging with classic cinema as a whole. I know you already did that video on classic cinema a few years back (and it is one of your best, I've gone back to it multiple times), but I also know that you've found multiple angles with which to discuss something like "the girl boss," and whatnot, and I'm sure there's more to be said on this topic as well. Thanks for all you do for film discussion.

@samfilmkid 11 месяцев назад

Not to mention ANYTHING about the writer’s strike or AI in film!

@nosipho3599 11 месяцев назад

I'm glad yall mentioned Lily Rose's performance because she really tried her best with the worst material possible. Davine Joy for me was truly incredible. This is genuinely the worst show I've seen in years and I hope (but doubt) this puts an end to Sam Levinson career.

@elmaestroco 11 месяцев назад

When a show picks its leads, not on their acting skills or pedigree but on name recognition, you can expect it to be very bad.

@0bskureference 11 месяцев назад

Not sure if anyone else got this vibe, but ever since the first teaser was released, I knew the show was gonna be shit. It was just way to pretentious looking plus I’m not a fan of The Weeknd, so in my mind, it was always doomed to fail.

@toxichater2970 11 месяцев назад

first teaser was the best one, you could see the actual potential

@Ar1AnX1x 11 месяцев назад

the show is not about entertainment its about Lily Rose-Depp's boobs at least that's what I heard from Charlie

@9000ck 11 месяцев назад

don't forget her butt. the show is also about her butt.

@seriousbinch3749 11 месяцев назад

so The Weeknd was pissed that it wasn't revolving around him, so he made them overhaul the entire show. got it.

@BloodyMary74 11 месяцев назад

The opening scene would make more sense if her studio criticized her for going to a nudist beach in her free time. But this is a photo shoot organized by the studio which is paying for recording her albums and organizing her tours. Of course they are concerned with her image.

@samspotz8r8s 11 месяцев назад

I keep coming back to thinking that i’d love to see the version with lol, too much female gaze, but fr im generally just bored of trauma porn and seeing “how crazy” a character with poor mental health will get

@hifellowhumans8393 11 месяцев назад

They thought nudity alone would keep the show going. They forgot that a powerful dialogue would've achieved the same effect.

@Music_Movie_Fan_ 7 месяцев назад

THE WOLF OF WALL STREET 80% NUDITY but this movie get nominees for oscar

@Krissy_K888 11 месяцев назад

The original premise sounds so promising. I wonder why HBO approved this change.

@LAMODÉLISTE 10 месяцев назад

Well they still think that S 3 x sells

@WhiteRaven696 11 месяцев назад

Those Selena Gomez comparisons are still very much Britney; Britney and Christina were child stars, best friends and fell out as adults, and I’m A Slave 4 U is a sexy comeback song. 🤷🏽‍♂️ But Selena stans want to make everything about her.

@seekittycat 11 месяцев назад

Selena had a mental breakdown mid tour and during her "sexy" comeback she had a medical bracelet on her wrist which they specifically commented on in the show but go off I guess.

@alyssasevert2452 11 месяцев назад

Also explain the best friend and assistant, also same thing with Selena and they collaborated in the show just like Selena and her bestie/assistant in real life and, the whole mental breakdown canceling a tour.. is literally what happened to Selena, and he was dating her at the time that all of this happened to her so I’m sorry if some of it actually lines up?

@WhiteRaven696 11 месяцев назад

@@alyssasevert2452 Girl, Felicia Culotta. Look her up. Lily Rose-Depp said Jocelyn was totally inspired by Britney. Key word here is “totally”.

@alyssasevert2452 11 месяцев назад

@@WhiteRaven696 lol and sam literally said it wasn’t inspired by Britney 😩 ALL IM SAYIN IS ITS QUITE A LONG LIST OF SIMILARITIES FOR IT TO BE COINCIDENCE🤣

@passiveagressive4983 11 месяцев назад

I think LRD is amazing as an actress. The Weekend; however, was just Godawful.

@TheCaliforniaboy1 11 месяцев назад

I'm guess I'm glad Joslyn's plan worked bc I've seen enough cult docs to know that it could've went waaaaay more violent towards her in most cases.

@seekittycat 11 месяцев назад

She really be like 100 pounds soaking wet walking up to a guy who threatened to hold her hostage and kill her before casually walking away to get her buddies to get rid of him. Like what.

@TheCaliforniaboy1 11 месяцев назад

@@seekittycat Right?! Like she's very lucky

@zandy7425 11 месяцев назад

I'm quick to binge watch a show that I enjoy. I watched one episode of the idol and I realized watching others critique the series was more enjoyable😮

@shearsbilly5240 11 месяцев назад

Same😂😂😂

@tejashdasgupta1840 11 месяцев назад

The idol is the weirdest shit ever because there are elements of a good story there....... But nobody does nothing with it. It's frustrating to watch because it could've been better. So. Much. Better.

@TheAngryKilljoy 11 месяцев назад

That’s what drove me crazy about it. It could have been great and it had some really awesome moments that would then be followed by cringe

@angelmushahf 11 месяцев назад

The acting seems little awkward, so the script must be really bad

@Clubsandwichchav 11 месяцев назад

I think so to.

@obpen246 11 месяцев назад

This reminds me how years ago a friend couldn't stomach the Weekend's songs because they all were about rape. I've listened to one or two and never paid close attention, but damn.

@BobLogical 11 месяцев назад

Fifty Shades by way of BoJack Horseman that somehow manages to be even worse than that sounds.

@samya1231 11 месяцев назад

Character development was Game of Thrones Season 8 levels....

@Mrs.Savage23 11 месяцев назад

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@saskialolita 11 месяцев назад

13:16 lol I can’t tell if Tedros butchering the phrase _”carte blanche”_ was intentional/in the script or Abel just didn’t know how to pronounce it and no one on set had the heart _(or the balls)_ to correct him….? 🤔🤷‍♀️😝

@ynelypelez5979 11 месяцев назад

This series has given a lot to talk about. It has received bad reviews for its explicit content, the scandals due to the resignation of the director Amy Seimetz due to creative differences with The Weeknd, the new assignment to the controversial director Sam Levinson, the toxic environment on the set made this series a nonsense argument that instead of focusing on their goal of vindicating the dark side of fame, they substituted it as a sexual fanfic from Wattpad. Plus they allegedly used Jennie's name to lure out the Blinks. If the sex scenes had been cut and had focused more on the plot they wanted to show, this series would have succeeded.Also, if in the first chapter a flashback of Jocelyn from her childhood had been broadcast, the mistreatment she was subjected to by her mother, as she was before she was famous, this series would have reached something interesting to know Jocelyn's psychological profile and thus know the dark side of fame.

@sirmisterbri5382 11 месяцев назад

Skipped right over that rocket money advert. You can’t convince me it’s not a scam.

@FaithMurri 11 месяцев назад

This is some Sansa saying she's glad she went through hell because it made her stronger garbage

@lilliesinthegard32 11 месяцев назад

Noo i didnt want to remember that💀😭

@Hopeisforever316 11 месяцев назад

Joselyn, uh, Britney. They should have stuck with the original story.

@tshegofatsoletlape8721 11 месяцев назад

It focused on gratuitous sex scenes and not on storytelling. Also the weekend is not a good actor. Basically it was just porn without the money shot.

@Moonwatery 11 месяцев назад

Hearing that Jocelyn might be inspired by Selena makes me uncomfortable on so many levels and layers.

@Oxcymoron 11 месяцев назад

I’ve noticed no two people have really seen the finale and come to the same conclusions to what it all meant. Like every reviewers take has been different in one way or another. I originally thought Jocelyn was secretly the puppet master the whole time and the abuse she suffered by her mother was all made up. This finale left me with countless questions I do not want answered.

@chipmunkpark8826 11 месяцев назад

Leia could've been a great character but all people ignored her

@h525 11 месяцев назад

She's so fucking annoying. Always crying about everyone being bad but when she can do something right she just does nothing and judge everyone

@HelaEnna 11 месяцев назад

Remember the introduction for Nate? That one with Rue narrating? That's Sam describing himself.

@desirae827 11 месяцев назад

I think The Idol is this generation's Showgirls. Both tried to be these serious tales of the dark side of show business but were just cringey. Both featured over the top unsexy sex scenes. Both had a young female lead, baring it all as a way to show how serious she is as an actress, although I'd say the Weekend gave the Nomi Malone performance. And instead of Nomi's jazz hand choreography we got World Class Sinner's choreography.

@mackenziegivens6061 11 месяцев назад

At least Show Girls was funny. This was just painful. 🤦‍♀️

@Nightman221k 11 месяцев назад

Showgirls had hilarity. This didn't have that.

@ramunebradfordtake2710 11 месяцев назад

I disagree. Only because Showgirls as bad as it was had a plot.

@jaylay2964 11 месяцев назад

Showgirls also showed the industry as being exploitative and how it’s a bad thing It didn’t try and say that women were actually the manipulative ones in the end for using it to their advantage when they could

@jaylay2964 11 месяцев назад

Also most importantly, showgirls was at least entertaining whereas the idol is painfully boring

@mariapaz6379 11 месяцев назад

sure, the weekend gave a terrible performance, but the plot and dialogue were quite boring too. It was kinda like filler with filler. The ending was stupid too, Jocelyn being just as bad as the rest of the industry says nothing. If you have 4 episodes of character building and then one that says "haha you got tricked, it was actually all a lie", then we wasted 4 episodes on irrelevant character building.

@bellanoussi6088 11 месяцев назад

Such a big The Take fan! In fairness, i do miss the old familiar voice over. More compelling and vivid story telling, less mechanical

@chaaaargh 11 месяцев назад

wasted potential

@startlestarfish 11 месяцев назад

I was mildly interested to watch it, especially because they used Britney’s gimme more and was even (allegedly) inspired by her and Troye Sivan is one of my favorite artists. But it’s simply too much I couldn’t get pass the first 20 minutes.

@VidWatcher01 11 месяцев назад

LRD has her dad's eyes & her mom's everything else. If the weekend wouldn't have had that rat tail I wouldn't have notice how bad he is in this show. It was just cherry on top of a hellish sundae🤦🏾‍♀️ This show makes 50 Shades look like Gone With The Wind.😵‍💫😖 This is The Weekend's dark equivalent to Mariah Carey's Glitter.

@rubberrand142 11 месяцев назад

Im gonna need a release of the Taylor's version of this show.

@pandorasbox8380 11 месяцев назад

Hahaha

@MeganSin 11 месяцев назад

There is something about the ending that rubs me the wrong way and sums up how the show went sideways (at least to me) the show was intended to show the dark underbelly of the industry and how it uses and abuses women which Jennie’s experiences, not lily rose. Instead, lily rose/Jocelyn was the villain the whole time and now tedros is the victim? The ending is very anti metoo when you think about it and clearly the ending was a last minute change imo. I feel like showgirls does a better job at displaying how easy people can be used for fame and way more entertaining in the show bad it’s good, that’s saying something.

@Mini-Toast_ 11 месяцев назад

Why does this feel like it would be a show inside the world Bojack Horseman?

@mariaskabardonis8353 11 месяцев назад

I haven’t seen this but based on recaps and reviews it seems like it was a good idea in it in showing the dark side of Hollywood but terrible execution I do hope Lili Rose gets cast in something better

@CarolinaJesus03 11 месяцев назад

i didnt understand anything in the finale

@countessofalava6532 11 месяцев назад

I hate how people still think s*x is shocking, is not anymore.

@CARATMom 11 месяцев назад

It’s like they don’t know how women work. At all.

@aiswaryabersan7983 11 месяцев назад

Lilly and jennie thought this is the break out role they needed in Hollywood but failed.

@lunacouer 11 месяцев назад

For Lily, I think this actually is gonna catapult her career. She was working with an inexperienced "actor" that she had zero chemistry with, and she still pulled off a good performance. Her scenes without him were even better. She showed she's got the chops. I feel *bad* for Jennie though. She didn't sign on to the show we all got, and given how explicit it is, she's facing backlash in her home country on top of it not being a hit. In the end I think she'll be ok, but if you think Twitter's bad here - it's puppies and rainbows compared to Korean social media. Their netizens literally have caused their stars to kill themselves.

@tististisk8753 11 месяцев назад

@@lunacouerJennie joined the show AFTER Sam became the director. She signed up for the show that we got and her character was USELESS

@lunacouer 11 месяцев назад

@@tististisk8753 Sorry, I should've been more clear. None of them signed-up to be in a crap show. It would've been one thing if the promises the Weeknd gave her were all true (since, like you said, he asked her to join once he and Sam took over), where it was as great as they hyped it up to be and they had another Euphoria Season 1 hit. But nope, the show sucked and they cut some of the few scenes she was in. She didn't even need to be there. Actually, that might be a blessing, that she was barely in it. Like girl, just walk away.

@thefashionhoe 11 месяцев назад

4:41 - also jocelyn's song 'dollhouse' sounds like selena gomez's song 'perfect'

@missoliviajordan 11 месяцев назад

I was WAITING for this! 😩

@giusi22 11 месяцев назад

well i will never look at the weekend the same after this show. i feel like this is how he really wants to be seen

@adalovelace521 11 месяцев назад

what went wrong: men

@colechristensen1909 11 месяцев назад

Not a fan of the show, but it’s frustrating how many people misreport that it was canceled. No, initially the first director had 6 episodes. Sam took it over and it dropped to 5. The fact it ended at 5 doesn’t mean it was cancelled. HBO even has a statement clarifying this. Again: don’t like the show. Just like good reporting.

@AM257. 11 месяцев назад

just saw some BTS from its original project before sam and abel ruined it and I honestly think the original version could've been much better. can't believe HBO actually let this aired.

@juliettek.9440 11 месяцев назад

So I didn’t know this show was a thing until The Weekend was bickering with people online like a middle schooler. All this research I’ve done and comments I left wondering if I’m just missing something. Umm…sex isn’t daring, forcing yourself upon someone or being really rough with consent isn’t shocking and new. We’ve had 50 shades of grey. Before WAP we had Lil Kim. Where was the “inside look” of this show outside of a musical super store whom can’t act also can’t take criticism.

@Music_Movie_Fan_ 7 месяцев назад

This show is 100% garbage not only the nudity but the acting is terrible

@TrillyThough 11 месяцев назад

The biggest sin this show commits is how absolutely boring it is. It thinks it's being profound in the way an edgy teenager does.

@stellaisteeth 11 месяцев назад

The house's lighting is horrid, I don't think the visuals are really a saving grace here. Maybe it's because they filmed the house scenes in Tesfaye's actual home instead of a set. But the lighting makes the visuals either too dark, washed out, unreasonably blurry, or a mix of the three.

@_blueshawty6698 11 месяцев назад

Please somebody tell Sam that he needs a better team for himself because this was a dumpster fire. Terri’s was a pimp who groomed all of the people he’s around & has an underage girl amongst them- And Joseline made a choice to put him as the “love of her life???? 🙃🙃🙃🙃 what even

@alsoleve99 11 месяцев назад

Why people wanted to watch this show? One word. Jennie.

@user-bi5nw4vp6t 11 месяцев назад

Lol

@Whackadoo1 11 месяцев назад

I actually watched it for LRD and Rachel Sennott. To bad the script failed them both, because they are very capable actors.

@genevievemuree 11 месяцев назад

very fair assessment

@guardianofthegalaxy2051 11 месяцев назад

Still waiting for ‘The Idol’ -zack snyder- amy seimetz’s cut

@thebatman7347 11 месяцев назад

Aaah yesss people have begun understanding that sexualizing everything that moves and romanticizing exceess and addiction doesnt make something good (Looking at you Euphoria)

@malu5117 11 месяцев назад

Even from recaps i still don't know what to take from this show

@franzgemota8425 11 месяцев назад

While you’ve covered up this series, I suggest you also cover up other HBO Originals like Boardwalk Empire or Six Feet Under

@problem.skinnn 11 месяцев назад

Honestly it needed more than a whole other episode to make it make sense. This was a very gracious review.

@Bewbscueser 11 месяцев назад

This show is Tijuana abortion clinic six weeks after Cinco De Mayo level catastrophic! Every photo of Sam Levinson looks like he just got caught hiding in his step sister's closet.

@aniqakhan2735 11 месяцев назад

This is so accurate I want to give u a Pulitzer.

@Bewbscueser 11 месяцев назад

@@aniqakhan2735 Thank you!

@aquaaria3489 11 месяцев назад

The “plot twist” (if we can call it that) was the most useless, most insensibile and most insensitive part of the show… Literally, the protagonist has lied for nothing

@lealmelisa 11 месяцев назад

Soooo ....What the hell happened to the club?? Wasn't he a club owner??

@letspretendsomemore 11 месяцев назад

So what we ended up with was a more misogynist version of The Lonely Lady (1983) set in the music industry instead of Hollywood

@Clubsandwichchav 11 месяцев назад

I honestly think Abel (the Weeknd) had a good vision for the show but they should have had more women give their opinion on how they showed the characters and created the scenes.

@archiebuchan2563 11 месяцев назад

Tbh I’m the opposite. The Weeknd is obviously a talented musician, but he just seemed to have no idea how to structure a TV show from a very basic perspective. The biggest issue with the Idol is just how boring it is

@Clubsandwichchav 11 месяцев назад

@@archiebuchan2563 I agree, he should have started with something smaller in scale.

@seekittycat 11 месяцев назад

Lots of characters talking about what happened and how they feel without showing. Air time dedicated to sex scenes and music montages. A whole music video

@nekrataali 11 месяцев назад

Ruh-oh....please don't tell me Sam Levinson let his success get to his head. You see this a lot where previously great creators start thinking they're infallible, reject all criticism, then they never make anything good ever again. George Lucas is the obvious example. M. Night Shyamalan is another (he gave us The Sixth Sense, Signs, Unbreakable...then everything started going downhill with The Village). I just hope Euphoria stays consistently good like it has been, especially after such phenomenal special episodes and season 2. Zendaya, Hunter Schafer, and Sydney Sweeney have become big enough names maybe they can slap the shit out of him if he falls off the rails.

@lunacouer 11 месяцев назад

I think it did. People were massively frustrated with Season 2 over all the dropped plot lines and uneven pacing, and that's exactly where The Idol failed. Well, worse, since we didn't have a Season 1, so we had no investment in any of these underdeveloped characters. Interestingly, Sam had Euphoria Season 2 ready to go, but once Covid happened, he rewrote almost the entire show during lockdown - hence, being unprepared and rewriting things on the fly during shooting. The only episode that made it through almost completely untouched was Episode 5, and it shows. That episode will go down in TV history for its brilliance. Problem is, he "got away with it" and repeated that behavior with The Idol. Instead of listening to the critiques and refocusing on tighter storylines, he just doubled-down. He doesn't seem to handle criticism very well, and with all the money HBO just threw at him, I think he's entered his "I'm a golden god" phase, lol.

@Djibril21 11 месяцев назад

The last episode was overbearing and the last nail. I was surprised that nothing really happened in this series, I am happy that it finished and they didn't drag it more and more