The Illusion of Reality: Discovering a New Perspective with Rupert Spira and Bernardo Kastrup 

As Rupert loves to describe things so extensive, i really appreciate Bernardo`s metaphors in this with the cockpit instrumentation which is easy to grasp.

I'm sitting on an elephant ( J.Bach.) wearing a vr-headset (D.Hoffman ) looking at the dashboard of a plane ( B.Kastrup ).😂😂😂

Wow, interesting stuff

Great conversation.

this is what i heard. the eyes, responding to a limited band (set of intervals) of the electromagnetic spectrum, allows for humans to experience a corresponding set of intervals that exist within our physical experience. the environment has allowed for a condition of self regulation potential thru the senses. we and our environment are then inter-woven entities, all existing as one "field". so, what we experience is the product of the limitations of our sense perception. REALITY. may be something completely beyond our ability to perceive. "lower life forms" may have no concept of a three dimensional space, due to the limits of their sensory capacities. but, non the less, they are constantly in the process of self regulation as their function and capacities require. we have no, or a limited sense of experience of what dimensions are beyond the three dimensional experience. to go that distance (to what we call "the divine") requires the ability transcend the strict visual experience of the three dimensional world, and become part of and extended set of frequencies/higher energies. that are a product or rooted in the human being being able to accept the root experience and see the unifying or coherency of the entire terrestrial field. both eastern and western religions or spiritual practices have attempted to establish constructs that allow for what happens as one transitions from the experience of the three dimension context to the resonances, vibrations of higher planes of experience or higher dimensions. we, living in the "modern" age, have in effect lost our roots of what it means to exist as an organism, in a one to one relationship with our environment, our experience is more about information than direct experience. in that sense, we have slowly become divorced from experience as the basis of understanding ourselves, to allowing the information modified world be the extent to which we "know the world" and ourselves, the self. can you put yourself in the context of having no modern means of survival. what a magnitude of anxiety there must have been. the spiritual practices that came about attempted to put in motion that which allowed for the greatest stability of experience, leading to higher forms of experience, salvation/heaven, nirvana, etc., an overcoming of the limits to physical existence.

Excellent 👍

A fish swimming in the deep sea, does it know it swims in water? Knowing nothing else, it does not. Similarly, a human being, you, seeming to exist in the world, how do you know the reality in which you swim, but through sense perceptions? So, then, in what Reality do you truly swim absent mere perceptions? It has been said, we think we live in the world, but we live in the mind. The foundation of the mind, is awareness, being. It is in That, that all arises, all that is perceived. And it is That, only That, that we can truly say we are.

But why? Why do we exist and what is the purpose of us having this awareness?

Bring Cindy teevens on, you won’t regret it ❤

Link to full podcast ?

I never understood this clame of Bernardos that “we would melt into a entropic/hot soup” if we could perceive reality as it really is. Here he adds “that’s thermodynamics for you”. What does that mean? Why would we melt into said hot soup? Because of radiation or what?? I hope someone can it explain it to me who understands very little of thermodynamics.

I'd like to see the whole interview with these nondualists. This bit is interesting but won't appeal to many people, I think, it needs context.

Why do I have to close my eyes to listen?

So it's a stroke of luck reality is filtered otherwise we'll be soup 😮

So what does a camera capture ? Is that not "reality"?

Just because our senses only show us part of reality, doesn't mean that part isn't real. Scientists are constantly discovering aspects of reality that we can't detect with our five senses.

Something wrong with the heart?

Everything is an illusion apart from money!

The nondualists seem like lovely people but I can't understand how they make the leap from "reality is not what our senses tell us it is" to "there is only consciousness."