The Importance of Casual Gamers 

exactly.

Yeah but sometimes you should try to keep up with them then they will not annoy you but it's still annoying.

​@@nitrosparkidc about those hard-core gamers 😂 I will play my cookie clicker or any good idle games, chill platformers

Loser take

True. I just love to hop on tf2 then end up raging because some competitive dumbass joined the game and ruined the fun.

This is coming from a hardcore that owns a rtx 2060 laptop, steamdeck, switch, PS5, Xbox series x, and ps4 and I can say you are right, the thing hardcores need to understand is CASUALS are always the people you want to target the most as they will always outweigh the hardcores, not even with just gaming with shit like wrestling and any form of entertainment, YOU matter much more then your given credit for when it comes to gaming's ecosystem in general, never let "hardcores" tell you otherwise

My issue is casuals want to cry and cry to RPG gaming companies to make game easier. That's why I'm so happy larian and obsidian tells them to piss off. Bethesda can learn from that. If I want casual I'll play overwatch

I don’t even have a job yet, but I’ve always never liked multiplayer games as much as single player games because of that exactly, because of how competitive Online is, and usually they are more frustrating than they are fun, and are laggy or buggy, and you might have to deal with cheaters/modders. You can just take your time and have fun In single player games for the most part. It’s just only you and that’s fine.

Then dont play online ? Just play co op or single player games. Cant really go out of your way to play competetive fps games hoping you get participation trophys . Im older too but thats just common sens. You want victory ? Go find it in another hobby/game because you wont taste victory if you dont have the time to work towards it.

@@vincentvandeperre1670 I'm not looking for participation trophies bro. I like talking to new people and playing casually. There's nothing wrong with casual leagues for any physical sport. It shouldn't be such a sin for me and the other casual players to have a place to go to have a few beers and friendly competition. Like I said we don't want to play with you try-hards any more than you want to play with us goofballs.

@@collinstiernagle3553 im 30 years old friend i dont think i would be considered a tryhard. Games like cod have skill based matchmaking wich already places you with people of the same skill. You cant go play ranked modes and expect to get high rankings against teenagers in their primes. Feel me ?

Bro I’m telling you, something happened after bo3. After going to college and getting a full time job. Dude I just don’t have time. Playing with competitive people is very annoying because I used to be like them, super crazy about the stupidest things. But nowadays, I wanna play for fun but it’s a pain in the butt especially playing war zone man

"Games, above all, should be fun." - Daniel Floyd

Now its hardcore eboy shit

​@@sta5011 yeah I just want to chill and have a laugh with friends I do sometimes play ranked or maybe some scrims but for the most Iam just playing to have fun.

@@sta5011 like minecraft, almost everybody moves to pvp nowdays instead of the real main point of the game

Exactly!

Good for you tho

Same. I use to play playstation all my life from 1 to 4 but the last few years I've been only playing casual games. I've spent 20+ hours on Angry Birds Dream Blast, I'm a hardcore casual gamer lol. Casual gaming is just so much more relaxing and fun and isn't fun all about what gaming is?

@@zed77yt3 playing better, improving, pro plays, game sense etc better than casual. tryhard go pro

Exactly 😂

no some people just want to master and get good and better in a game, while many don't care about it.

I stayed a casual

​@@theelitecipherfan300dude2 I kind of went back and forth in between the two based on the current mental state and gaming related goals.

@@Hussienberkznuts_420 same

true but there are problem with that again lol, it's simple mechanics but there is also skill ceiling, meaning the more you play the better you get, so there are lots of losers who play all day and all night, so these people ruin everything. lol.

Exactly!

I consider myself more casual. I do play game often, but I shy away from competitive modes like in Rainbow Six Siege and VALORANT.

@@GamerAlexVideos Also Do You Agree With Me The Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered Is Better Than Burnout Paradise Remastered?

@@naoisediver6541 Its hard to say because Burnout Paradise is much more of a remaster than NFS Hot Pursuit, even with its faults. Though, NFS Hot Pursuit seems way more polished that BPR. I said neither is a good remaster in all honestly.

@@naoisediver6541 Yo why does every word in your sentence start with a capital letter? XD

he was spitting facts

I can understand why we need males and females. But black and white? They are interchangeable

For the generalization part, I was merely saying that there is an issue with people overgeneralizing or even misrepresenting casual gamers. I don't believe I over generalization any side, other than stating that casuals see gaming as more of a hobby vs pros who see it more as a lifestyle. That to me fits both groups without equating positive or negative traits to the sides. If you point out where I misrepresented or generalized, I'd love to know. Plus, the reason why I didn't address that in-between crowd is that this video is directly about the casual scene and pretty much shooting down the idea that casual gaming somehow 'ruined' video games. You come from a viewpoint that both sides are bad, but this video was more tailored to people who come from the viewpoint that hardcore is good, and casual is bad.

@@GamerAlexVideos Well, that sure makes more sense for this video then. You did bunch together the noob section into one big pile of griefers, mutes, time-wasters, and whatnot. Noobs are just people that are bad/lack experience at a game regardless. Also, the hobby vs lifestyle didn't really seem to fit. Hardcore gamers are just challenge seekers. It's all about reaching goals in games and trying really hard at it. Casuals a more fitting description are entertainment seekers. It's all about sitting down and just having some fun. And both sides are pretty much bad for the game market. Casuals because they encourage questionable marketing techniques. And Hardcores because it encourages lazy development. So now we can't trust preorders, post-launch promises, or even E3 trailers

So wanting to play on a easy difficultly after getting off work is letting the game play for me? That's retarded

Those are newbs, not noobs. I was trying to show the difference.

@@GamerAlexVideos oooh i'm sorry. I was confused because noob and newb is Pretty much the same thing for me. I get it now.

been saying that for years, and I'd just gotta left you to figure about least favorite monetization tactics by yourselves

Noob always had a much more negative connation then something like Newbie, so that's why I used it to describe essentially the trolls, and people who aren't really here to play. Could I've used a different word? Sure, but that doesn't take away that casuals aren't this big group that just ruins everything they touch. I could easily say how you describe casuals is just trying to fit your own narrative. I mean, the actual definition of casual is "A person who does something irregularly." Doesn't sound like the subculture wrecking definition you given them. "Your arguement the industry wouldnt be sustainble without casuals is nosense." The gaming crash of the 80s wasn't just those 'underground' or hardcore gamers stopped buying games. Its was the audience as a whole, aka the casuals too, and while gaming definitely wasn't as mainstream, there were 100% casuals who helped to put money into gaming at that time who ultimately stopped doing so during that period. Casuals do hold up the industry much more than we think. If casuals are so bad as you say, give me one example, other than gaming, that casuals have ruined. I don't agree they have ruined gaming, but if you convince that the audience ruined something else, then maybe I'd see your side more. All you are saying right now is their supposed effect on subcultures.

This guy done wrote a homework assignment to write 3 paragraphs 😂😂

Lmao im not reading all tht

@UCiSgl4xOGHwLN31UTZpaZOg Alright imma stick my head in this because looks fun even if its 4 months old. Point 1. Noob is a deragorty term for new player with no skill. Done Point 2. The gaming crash happened becsuse there were a dozen consoles, upgrades and other useless shit noone wanted to buy. It was stupid companies in hyper comoetition with each other. And ruined it for literally Sega, Atari and nintendo for a long time. Thats not the faukt of casuals or hardcore. The crash was and always will be because of stupid corpos. Point 3. Look at conic books and how DC and Marvel mad... garbage comics.and then made the MCU. a decent universe because of casual aduience. Done. Okay i fuck off. Casuals ruin everytbing hardcore and the other snaller mini miority hardcore keep games alive.

Also.. there's NO reason why games made primarily for a hardcore audience should ever financially fail as long as they're good. That's what games succeeded on financially in the past, and it's how games like Dark Souls succeed financially today. It's telling that your ONE example to "prove" that it's bad to make a game explicitly for a hardcore audience is some obscure racing MMO that has tons of grinding, as if somehow "more grinding" is itself hardcore when it really isn't. What this video basically opts for is that all games necessarily be generic, corporate piles of schlock that make as much money as possible, at the expense of both quality and artistic expression. WHY exactly do ALL games need to be made primarily for the casual gamers, with hardcore gamers being just an accessory to gaming? Dark Souls succeeded just fine by catering exclusively to a hardcore audience. It pushed OUT all of the casual gamers because they weren't part of the target demographic. Actually, perhaps the real question here is WHY are target demographics such a bad thing? Video games are not supposed to be for everyone in the sense that every game is supposed to be for every person. They're supposed to be for everyone in the sense that there are just so many different games that everyone can find games that they truly love and enjoy. When did it become a bad thing for a game to only be made for a specific demographic of players? That's how it used to be and, not for nothing, but last time I checked, I don't see hardcore gamers complaining that Animal Crossing wasn't made for them. I only ever see casual gamers complaining that the FEW games these days that aren't made for them, aren't made for them. TL;DR If you're going to defend casual gaming as this sort of "necessity" for video games, do so in good faith. This video reeked of bad faith representation of both sides of the argument, and this video only being less than 5 minutes long shows that you don't really have anything of value to say on the matter. Obviously there's a helluva lot more to talk about with regards to casual gaming than just four minutes and a half's worth of things to say.

I play campaigns or story modes to see the games lore tbh

No. Just no. I have seen myself and other people closer to my age go more into casual experiences. I have been gaming since the Gameboy Pocket/NES days. I have played so many types of games and still spend quite a bit of my time looking up gaming and trying out different experiences. More and more, I am drawn towards more casual experiences. That doesn't mean we don't play hardcore games. I don't know how it got to this point, but pride is taking over some gamers to the point where they will drive away anyone who isn't the same. What was once a place for people to belong and come together is an exclusive club full of people who derive their entire self-worth through gaming. Almost any suggestions for anything different or inclusive, is waved away. I see it most from the older communities who are extremely rigid of any kind of change. I see a lot of these people want to play the same kinds of things over and over, with the same inputs, with the same mechanics, with the same expectations. Some gamers have become the very thing they tried to escape from. I also hate formulaic games designed for maximum profit and hate some of the modern trends. Casuals AND hardcore gamers alike purchase these games. You aren't above it all. I bet most people fall in between in the casual/hardcore spectrum. What exactly is hardcore anyways? You are the one being toxic by creating "us vs them" scenarios and putting people down.

@@Drstrange3000 (Part 1 of 2) There's no middle ground between casual and hardcore, since it's an issue of mindset. It's like how there's no middle ground between religious people and non-religious people. You either are or aren't religious. Same thing with what kind of gamer you are. Of course people are going to stamp their feet in the ground and say no to "inclusivity". Inclusivity is just a toxic form of exclusion, designed to exclude the target audience of the work to the benefit of the people who didn't approve of the work to begin with (see the Souls series as an example of that, and praise be to Miyazaki for not putting an Easy Mode into Sekiro and Elden Ring). We shouldn't be changing games to "include" people who wouldn't have liked various design/artistic choices to begin with, especially when it comes at the expense of the people who wanted those design/artistic choices. Gatekeeping is not inherently toxic. In fact, when done properly, it's a GOOD thing and should be done for ALL games. Gatekeeping keeps the entitled, finger-wagging art cops (casuals) away from the things that they would disapprove of to begin with, and allows the target audiences of those games to not only keep the games that were made for THEM, but it also allows them to maintain healthy communities with less overall toxicity. There isn't any need to be an asshole about this sort of thing, it's as simple as telling casual gamers "No, this game wasn't made for you. Go play something else." No one is entitled, especially when something clearly wasn't made for them. Casual gamers need to learn that it's perfectly okay for games to not be made for them. There also seems to be a misconception here about what casual gaming is. There's a fundamental difference between playing a game casually and being a casual gamer. Playing a game casually, as in just playing a game for fun and not always taking it too seriously, is something that both casual gamers and hardcore gamers are capable of. That is not mutually exclusive to casuals. What, do you think that hardcore gamers treat games like work?

(Part 2 of 2) On the other hand, casual gaming is basically the belief that you are entitled to play the games that you want to play, even if they weren't made to appeal to you, and the belief that you shouldn't have to put any work in while playing a game in order to achieve something in the game, such as beating a boss (see games journalists asking for there to be a toggle-able God Mode in Sekiro). Casual gamers also historically don't care about bad business practices or bad design choices. They only care about their own personal idea of "fun". Casual gaming is basically defined by entitlement, the refusal to get good at games, and the total disregard for quality game design and good business practices. They're normies. They're *toxic.* Hardcore gaming, for whatever toxicity may crop up within certain circles, is the exact opposite. Hardcore gamers do not believe that they are entitled to be given the experiences that they want in games, and usually stick to games that were made for them specifically, like Dark Souls. They're also willing to put the time and effort in to EARN things in games, like earning a reward or getting good enough to beat a boss, instead of expecting to be handed everything on a silver-platter with no effort. Hardcore gamers are also much more likely to care about quality game design and good business practices. You'll basically never see casuals complain about pay to win microtransactions, but you'll see hardcore gamers complain about them quite often. This is because hardcore gamers actually care about the integrity of online multiplayer, especially competitive online multiplayer. So no, I don't believe that there's a "middle-ground" between these two mindsets. Casual gaming and hardcore gaming are polar opposites in every way. They cannot coincide. You might as well be saying that it's possible for an atheist to believe in God, because that's tantamount to saying that a hardcore gamer can also be a casual gamer. There's nothing "toxic" about anything I've said in this thread. And it's the casual gamers who created the "us vs them" situation by attacking hardcore gaming and games for not caving to their selfish, entitled demands, not the other way around. Most hardcore gamers just want to be left alone and be allowed to enjoy the games that were made for them. It's people like you who blow off any and all criticisms of casual gamers with the "you're being toxic" excuse that are truly toxic. Toxicity, above all else, is defined by a lack of willingness to listen and a lack of willingness to admit to your own faults. If casual gamers weren't toxic, they wouldn't react so poorly and emotionally to the suggestion that they're normies who don't actually care about video games, and as such they're not real gamers and developers shouldn't pander to them. What's the point of appealing to a group of players who don't actually care about your game to begin with, and will demand that you make changes that you probably don't want to make to your game just so it's "more suitable to their tastes"?

ok boomer

@@GamerAlexVideos no u

Well he is right if your in the perspective of the developer. But overall I just want the RTS genre to come back. Casual gamers don't play something as complicated as an RTS and if you make an RTS more simple it would just turn to another genre, like moba.

When it comes to the definition of “arcade like” vs “real” games. If my main games are game such as Quake, does that not count as a “real game” due to the more mechanically simple nature of it rather than playing something more “realistic” like Squad or Project Reality? Or even quake compared to RPG games (especially older school ones like the Wizardy series)?

lots of people who play rocket league aren't casuals tho