The Racing Game Community Has Declined 

Hey all, I know I did not cover some of the other prominent issues in the community. This is because I already made a video on the fanboyism problem, and Roflwaffle made an excellent video on nostalgia bias. Both are linked in the description and are linked in the end screen.

What I hate the most about the racing community is how hypocritical it is. They always ask for "something fresh and unique," and yet when such game comes, it is ignored and/or hated. The entire Unleashed saga is the greatest modern example. Specially the 2nd one. Although both games abuse DLCs, they have a very unique and fresh gameplay, yet very few people play them in favor of Forza, which is the type of game they complain. Plus, people want to get rid of the main and only thing that makes a difference between Unbound and Heat, which is the special effects. Dude, you want something unique or not?!

The problem is that the racing genre is a bit of a niche genre with a lot of veterans. These veterans want to revive an old glory, hell people still whine about nfs most wanted 2005 being the best nfs and using that to compare every other nfs today.

4:58 THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! I've been peddling this message for years. It's so insane to me that people think that modern racing games are in a terrible state. Play the indie games!!! My favorite racing games from the modern day are from the indie scene! I exist outside of a lot of racing community spaces so despite the fact that I've been sharing this message to anyone I know, I lack influence. Love that there's people like you who aren't insane. Stop buying the bad AAA trash and pay attention to the indie scene PLEASE. Racing games are in such a good place and people just SLEEP on every good game that gets released! It baffles me to no end!

I think part of the reason why the "old good new bad" sentiment has risen is how much more accessible emulation has become, we have emulators with frequent auto updates and doesn't need a NASA PC to run anymore; plus there are communities around these old games that are usually more friendly than modern sim and even arcade racer communities (cough... NFS community). It's hard to beat "free" games from the olden days with full feature and charms (passion, if you will) that may be missing from modern day racing games, the graphics and any other jank can be easily excused because they are old games but are inexcusable for newer games. This is NOT a rose tinted glasses effect as some might claim, it's more of a _"why even play new racing games when these old ones are perfectly serviceable, if not really fun"_ phenomenon; especially applicable if these old games are something many people missed out on in their childhood and thus it's still a new experience for the player. It doesn't help that these old games are sometimes genuinely better than most modern games.

This was one of the the reasons why I remained under the radar from the community for a while. Criticism for the intent of improving new titles has now convoluted to negative toxicity to the point they just lose sight of what makes these fun in the first place. There's even been a lot of gatekeeping from big influencers within this circle which makes me feel like I don't belong in this community. Racing games can be casual fun when you play with the right people and right mindset, even if it's not the best title out there. I just wish I had enough free time I had as I was a kid to try out every Indie racing game under the sun.

Gonna say, racing game community is number one of the worst community ever I saw so far similar to rockstar community (GTA, Midnight Club or etc.), and it worst than others game community was People already forgot some older games were had bad too. Despite moden gaming suck, nowadays

I’ve been playing racing games all my life, starting with NFS III Hot Pursuit, and I still enjoy modern racing games like Unbound. The toxicity just made me give up on interacting with the community as a whole. It felt like no one wanted to see the good in any new game and constant dickriding of old games. Video essays and their consequences...

There are multiple problems that I've come across in the past year when it comes to racing games and the racing game community. There has always been a problem with a small group of sim players (Those who only refer to sim racers as simulators and refuse to call them video games) who don't like it when people call games such as Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport simulators because their not as realistic as a game that that they play on a daily basis, and then look down on those who play arcade and simcade racing games as if people aren't allowed to have their own preferences when it come to games. An issue that I've seen in not just the racing genre but the video game industry as a whole is that games in the current generation and the later part of the last generation are being released with bugs and glitches and then fixed with updates later on, but people's thoughts of the game on it's initial release will stay with them for years. I am guilty of this with Cyberpunk 2077 as I still think of it as a buggy mess even though I know a lot of the game has been fixed with multiple updates over the years. Now regarding the racing game community becoming isolated. It already is isolated and has been for about 20 years. JakeMG did a brilliant video about how gamers who don't play racing games hate them and make fun of the racing game community for playing them. I have seen this happen multiple times in person and more so online. There were also those videos that just complained about the current state of the racing genre. That sort of viral video by Raycevick was the start of these complaint videos and divided the racing game community even more, and that has lead to JakeMG quitting RU-vid, UltraViolet to slow down with video production and find games in other genres to review, and it's made me rethink the way I'm going to go about my videos. Then we have #wewantnfs which again divided the community because everyone had different thoughts on something that quite a lot of people were passionate about, and I think the whole #wewantnfs thing was a mistake from the start, as we know there is going to be another Need For Speed game. It's just a matter of when and what direction the developers are going to go in. I like your videos. Keep up the good work.

I may be a bitter old man when it comes to this topic, but i personally feel like the passion is not there anymore, and even if it is, i feel like some games have some hugely flawed choices that just ruin it for me (Trailout's handling comes forst to my mind). AAA racing games have definetly declined in quality, but that should be expected, as the genre isnt monetizable enough to publishers. The racing games community however, i tend to avoid as much as i can, because nothing good comes out of their interactions (like that NFS push the community tried)

When you realise that the last properly marketed NFS game was Payback and the kind of hype it generated at launch, you're forced to wonder why Unbound received a bunch of blog posts in the name of marketing.

Unfortunately, not everyone wants to play indie racing games, nor likes them. They are always of a certain style, and some people don't like that style.

What bothers me most about modern games (not just racing games) is the ever-increasing focus on online multiplayer and the resulting neglect of the single player. The most recent examples of this are Horizon 5 and Motorsport 8 as well as the upcoming Test Drive unlimited Solar Crown. People can say all day long that TDU has always been an online racer. But the whole truth is that the games had tonnes of solo content.

Another issue with Racing games these days is the abundance of dirty drivers in games that have a strong focus on clean racing. In "Sim-Cade" games like Forza Horizon/Motorsport and Gran Turismo 7 (even full-sim competition racers like iRacing and Assetto Corsa) players have been doing whatever they can to exploit the game's penalty system in order to attack clean drivers without getting a slowdown and/or ghosting penalty, and even (in rarer cases) forcing the penalties onto their target driver instead of them. Sure there has been times when players in these communities made dirty racing lobbies (GT5/GT6 has had dedicated Dirty Race and "Cat & Mouse" lobbies made by players). But as most modern racing games don't have private player-made servers and they enforce clean racing by adding timed penalties and/or driver ghosting whenever you hit players hard, these drivers have turned to exploiting these penalty systems to hit clean drivers in order to get their fix. If dirty drivers really want their fix, they should migrate to GTA:Online, demolition derby racing games (like Wreckfest), any NFS game with a "Cops vs Street Racers" mode, or any other combat racing game. At least these games promote the idea of hitting players to get an advantage while racing.

If Burnout never comes back and NFS slowly fades into obscurity, I'll be really fucking mad at EA.

havent even got past the video intro and tbh, i couldnt agree more. its not just racing games that suck nowadays, the community as a whole is so dead, unimaginative and boring got some thoughts that i've watched 1- i still enjoy my time with some modern racers despite their flaws. im not gonna lie when i've had fun with nfs unbound and gt7 despite their obvious massive flaws and many aspects that zap the joy and fun out the experience 2- i would love so many better racing games. i'd love burnout and midnight club to make returns. i still mourn the loss of evolution studios and driveclub. i may not enjoy racing games as a whole recently but that doesn't mean i dont want good games or dont want games in general 3- indies need their flowers. carx drift racing is one of the best games i've played in the last few years. active community, growing car list and mods, active dev support and great gameplay

The biggest problem in the racing community is the hypocrisy from the community when talking about “what they want”. The community will talk about how they “want something fresh and new” and that “modern racing games are just repetitive and copy-paste”, but then they won’t let devs like Criterion and Playground do anything different with their games. Devs could easily do something “fresh and new” but if they do, they’ll get bashed and criticized for it because it’s not a carbon copy of “Horizon 2” or “Most Wanted 05”

I also think the car community itself is relevant, which is now plagued with intense snobbism or clout chasing instagram builds and endless throwback loop around 90's~00's Japanese car culture without an actual progression to the scene itself. At this point I'm so tired of them enough to stop playing Assetto Corsa for couple of years and selling my steering wheel However what I'm expecting to is more unconventional ones or just, not cars. Descenders was insanely fun I had to actively delete the game to focus on my actual life lol, Redout series seems like it's doing okay, Drone racing sims bring some fresh breathe of air with actual real life connection, and I actually enjoyed Monster Jam Steel Titans 2 a lot which lead me into practicing monster truck driving in BeamNG recently I hope the increasing awareness about the genre itself and new indie releases under the spotlight are enough to give another good kick to the racing games, while I can't help myself being cynical about it I really don't want to see something that i used to love so much just dying :(

The community has been hell to me ever since. Brats are just like “New games are just as worse, they are not you’re time” Or “you should have played the old one” it’s all the time non stop. Like it just doesn’t even matter dude, play what you paid for! Narcissists who say that all the time to people rubbing in their faces are either not being themselves, or just trying/acting like a sinister ableist. This evil cycle never ends and I want it to end. And lastly stupid part about this; I was definitely one of those people who were like “OlD gAmEs ArE BeTtEr”. but I’m trying to change and put it away from me but negativity just keeps getting into my head and it won’t go away. Sorry that I keep on editing my comment or they just look misspelled, RU-vid doesn’t work well with this iPhone.

this remind me of TDU next getting criticized for not having customization or "realism" and newer people dont get that TDU is literally a poor dude becoming a rich dude buying supercars and going to the casino type game

Regarding pessimism: we absolutely SHOULD show devs that we don't want new titles. Genres are always in an endless cycle: a title becomes super successful, other devs get in on the genre hype and create lackluster titles because people will buy them anyway, market is flooded, genre turns bad and boring, players leave it behind, genre dies. Then one day, it'll start all over again. It will never turn good if we don't ditch it first. We have to let it die so that it can be resurrected. It's not good short term, but it pays off in the long run.

the biggest problem i see is egotism and fanboyism, especially for the bigger creators. most people just go with what they suggest and think. and when someone says "hey, this other racing game is cool," they won't give it a shot because they're favorite creator doesn't like it. also, not to be THAT girl. but the majority of the racing community is sexist. that's why i rarely join any servers, because nice ones are so hard to come by these days.

The biggest problems I have with (AAA) racing games after 2012 are that all the Arcade racing games tend to become sim-cades and developers started to prioritize customizations above everything else. And I hate those nerdy, dumb-ass sim racing MFs. But I'm actually positive about Unbound tho. At least they tried something new with it and stupid people started to hate it LOL.

What I'm worrying from all those toxicity of racing games fans especially with "Old Good New Bad" Mentality is, it will sooner or later will making the racing genre more and more unrelevant even worse it will kill racing games entirely and soon will shattered from gaming world, taking a example of Music and Dance Rhythm games, where they are now after the golden age of Guitar Hero and Dance - Dance Revolution? Racing games nowadays is already a niche genre, not different from a genre like Tycoon games due to how we lack many racing games nowadays and with this kind of toxicity from community it will getting worse for racing genre I understand that we cannot bring back the mid 2000's era whereas the golden age of racing games but one thing that we and racing community should take notes is, give the newer racing games a chance and appreciate the game if it should be and criticize the game if it deserves

Sega upcoming crazy taxi with playable cops gives me hope. Gotta find something else then "seacrest county flying cars mayhem"

The community is full of shit, I would argue with league of legends community rather than in racing games community The community is fully blinded by nostalgia and anything that the community complains about in a game then I know that the game is amazing (except Forza) for example like NFS unbound Actually because of unbound I would never go back to mw05 or carbon

Glad you are still continuing the Racing Games essay

I miss Onrush, too bad codies had to kill the servers. I have to admit Lego 2K Drive made me realize that modern games can be fun. Director of 2K Drive worked on games like Hydro Thunder and H2Overdrive and i can tell the influences from the former releases in a good way

Really pleased to find your channel, really great quality here. I do have this underlying feeling that the racing genre just isn't as popular as us die-hard fans would like it to be. That's possibly shaping big studio decisions to dish out flawed games or abandon certain series altogether. The Steam player counts for some quality indie racers is criminally low, hinting that casual players aren't choosing the genre and fans are gravitating towards more serious simulation. I'm happy to be proven wrong if that breakout title comes, but that's what it looks like right now.

Honestly... i think people get lost too much in small details and are hard to satisfy Im playing most of the modern racing games and im enjoying them

im honestly kind of sad at the state of the nfs community because its so divided between people that want a game like nfs mw05 which sucks and i do not want and people like me who want an nfs hot pursuit 2010 sequel honestly i liked heat and unbound and im just gonna be gratefull for the fact that ea keeps making games and hasnt given up on the arcade racing genre as the lone triple a developer to my knowlege as games like forza horizon are to sim for me

I'm praying for Night runners 💪. Recently got to playing the prelogue on their patreon and been having a blast.

i dont interact with the racing game community and looking at this it seems like a good thing i think unfortunately racing games are begging to end up like fighting games where they are this niche alienating genre for new players with a bunch of solid titles that need to be found by the player

You made several god points in this very well edited video. It's interesting that you never find racing games on top of the selling charts except for Mario Kart 8 that sold like crazy for several years. It's my understanding that Hot Wheels Unleashed 1 and 2 did ok as well but I haven't checked out the statistics. I'm of course keeping my hopes up for another Wipeout game but I saw some glimpses of Pacer in your video, a game I really enjoy despite its shortcomings.

need for speed unbound was really fun and im really sad it got so much shit honestly

4:15 so, *i might be defending that video,* but what it tells is to let EA give their studios more time to make a truly polished, high-quality game, rather than pressure them into making good games (in the view of the community's MW praising mentality) each and every year. And if they donn't do this, the series will end, and on a bad note. My own point of view about this is more like everything said until 5:59 + that we can't have this while reinforcing the thought of NFS should still be yearly released, and that's why we can't want NFS for 2024 or 2025. But i do want some NFS 2028, 2029 or 2030

It's the AAA Games and mix of some of the indie devs inspiration pushed me to try game development While am not that online to keep up with all talk around the racing genre, i think anyone who wants to try to it should keep away from the internet and reduce his connection when just starting once you go far enough, then it might be best to either go full transparent or tease a little every once and a while there is a dev named sina, he is working on his game named drive n chill, i saw photos of his laptop that's almost on bring of death him at a later date give me a demo for his game, his dedication made me wanna give it a try lot's of the topics you cover such as physics and handling are real pain to work with while tools are easier, faster and more efficient. creating a full standard open world with cops racing game is a challenge, if you go with the learn it instead of buying some of the work from assets stores this all in my mind as one person work The problem with people stuck on the past is something i believe we cannot change when who did the changes originally are either gone or ignored their creativity (speaking of AAA studios) The negativity will most likely stay until either an indie or AAA do it right otherwise i am looking forward to mostly indie racing, tough most of what they cover aren't exactly what i like (maybe people tastes became more like rocks after a certain ago to try something fully new) i hope one day one will reverse this negativity and force it fully and only on AAA to change into something better

Ima need a list of all these games you find mate honestly, I’ve found so many games from just your game captures through the vids that I’ve gone on to play and love, any of these indie ones in production such as the Twitter post you squeezed in at the end I need more info on, already following panda to see the development of that game. Love the vids ❤️

Inertial Drift has lackluster online features, but it's still a crime that playerbase is completely dead, I can play with my friend in pubs all classes

I definitely agree that there is a lot of fun to be had in many modern racing game titles, and that the overall state of racing games or gaming as a whole should not influence one's enjoyment of the good parts of them. But I think the cynicism and pessimism is totally okay, because it has been earned. It is undeniable that much of the soul and the general quality of racing titles has been greatly diminished. There is a stark contrast between games like Forza Motorsport 2/4 and Motorsport 2023, PGR/Forza Horizon 2 and Forza Horizon 5, NFS Hot Pursuit 2011 and Unbound, etc. The companies that make racing games absolutely should be criticized, within reason, otherwise they will not change their ways. Choosing to ignore or not purchase upcoming games that show the obvious signs of an unfinished release is the only way to show these developers and management teams that they have to start releasing better games. You've gotta speak with your wallet. And modern game studios care a lot about things like metacritic reviews and the conversation around their games on social media. That being said, there are certainly problems within the racing game community. Tribalism and constant bickering are not going to make better games come out, which should be the top priority. Criticism and negativity are fine, because that's simply the state of the industry, and it doesn't help to pretend otherwise. But maintaining hope is important (I mean, I'm still hoping for another PGR game, which will literally never happen), and we should be standing together instead of standing apart. And those who do genuinely enjoy new games shouldn't be bullied or harassed, they are entitled to their opinions just as much as anyone else.

I don't understand, nfs unbound is a really good game it's very very fun to play. The reviews were like it was the worst game but after playing I say it's great

Complaining Small things (or small mistake) too, within unleash their anger by peoples Most of Those are from NFS, Midnight Club, Burnout and Asphalt (Retro) The Reason Why I Hate This community.

RU-vid deleted my comment because of editing so much grr. But yeah derby, hill climbs, touge, business models and more. Indies of Inertial Drift, Horizon Chase Turbo, Art of Rally and more are great. Gravel, OnRush were fun. Same with Gear Club Unlimited, Eden games is back yet people think oh TDU and that's it even though racing or not they made great games besides that and are doing fine to come back. No idea what they have planned in the future. No idea if similar staff. Still Monolith died after Cars 3 yet made Hogwarts Legacy so that's something comparable. Places people look indeed. Let alone marketing. But also original tracks, rally or city or circuits. Realism isn't everything or dream cars/real licenses. Racing games aren't all annual like some people think. Indies make racing games yet AAA have left it alone other then the big IP ones. Give me more car builder from WRC2023 I see as a successor idea from Sega GT on Dreamcast or the region system from Forza Motorsport 1&2 that have improvements of that system in Ride 4. Alfa Romeo Racing Italiano had more depth in its rewind system and was the start of them then any other rewind system of Forza Motorsport 3/Grid 2008 or current ones yet Milestone themselves have never had stats to it and follow the dumbed down rewind system why? A question I wonder. Cars are fine but give me good ideas, good tracks, not awkward progression. If challenge runs of old games, discovering old racing games by RU-vidrs tell us things, broken games. I think it's pretty clear. Recommend Game development caution by Tim Cain and the New Game anime. Lot of good stuff about game development in those. FM6 and GT7 have a lot in common of their mods/roulette. Why did GT7 further GT5's level system to it's part shop? Space Station Silicon Valley, why does it have more going on yet Biomutant has animals with gas immunity which is cool but no digging, flight or swimming. An N64 has more going on with its animal characters abilities. Some Devs are just too sad. They are AA, it got delayed but still lacking ideas when AAs made the better games now are just as safe sometimes or bought up. Platformers by Indies are too Mario 64/Banjo. Yet N64/PS1 had more ideas then those 2. It's just sad. I mean Shox by EA Big yet only arcade sports games get talked about with EA Big. So many corners of the genre big and small worth looking at. I haven't look at many newer Indie racers myself but the major Indie ones I have heard of and tried demos. I am interested in some coming to Switch I saw articles for though. Even Drift CE it may not be great from what comments I saw on it but no idea. Let alone another with a sadly pretty forgettable title but looks alright for Switch & PC or Switch only. I have the favourite somewhere. Shortening my points in this comment.

reject modernity embrace fun arcade game

hotshot racing while not everyone’s cup of tea has been one of my favourite racing games of that last few years, yea it has its shortcomings and I can understand why you and other people felt disappointed about it but it was the kind of modern experience that I have been craving for

I'm not hyped by AAA games anymore, I don't expect anything from them except to make soulless forgettable products. On the other hand I recently picked up Super Woden GP2 and the demo of Japanese Drift Master and all I can say is that the indie scene has way better games than the AAA scene. Why would I spend 70€on a game that tries to do too much and ends up failing everywhere, while I can buy 5 indie games of completely different styles for cheaper than that. With Nightrunners and JDM coming, 2024 looks already pretty exciting to me, and even TDU SC I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up better than the bigger games that we had this year

While i agree the fanboism is trash amd overexagerated let's face it there is truth in the "this genre is dying" statement, sadly it goes for all genres not just racing, all games nowadays are mid if not downright hot garbage compared to the old games which look dated but mechanics and gameplay wise were leagues above the modern trash.

as someone who has been playing nfs since ps2 and played most forza horizon same with motorsport the community is weird tbh like i don’t think every nfs needs to be like old games it isn’t true i adore old nfs being different i also played unbound i prefer to get something new but i feel like nfs should be arcade theres so many realistic sim games now nfs shouldn’t have to change just for people to complain and people always say cause of nostalgia some old games are just great

Man its crap like this is why JakeMG and LPripper24 and so many good people left racing game community, and im sick and tired of this crap and I know im not the only one whos is sick and tired of this toxic and stupid crap like this the racing game community needs to change and needs to WAKE UP

Hi. I'm making a racing game. I want to know from you what can features can I add to make it enjoyable. well, I'm currently doing a demo, but when the full game gets started to be developed, I've been thinking on these features: offline racing (quick race, random race, career mode, MRL Studio, championship, tournament). well it's a motorsport style of racing game, but unlike FM and GT I want not only realistic racing but, sort of FUN. Cool suff, not everything to be realistic, but fun to play, if you know what I mean of course. hm, the landscapes are fictional, well I'm thinking bringing real-life cars, but also fictional ones. no nitro boost, I'm sorry. but what about tuning? should I bring realistic tuning or just a simple and fun tuning. about car customization like car body, painting and decals are inspired by JUICED 2: HIN. But what do you think about this? and what do you others think. because I want to bring love and joy to the game.

Most of the time ive only played racing games for the multiplayer and sometimes for the offline like BlackBox NFS etc

I really need to get into some good racing game community. What are your suggestion? I struggle to find something good now and then but when I do it reminds me what game genre I really love. I've been playing too much other genres the last decade simply because the games is worse now I think, but when I find some, for example Trail Out 2 years ago I suddenly got the spark back.

I mean, it is the fact! Modern racing games are sucks. The racing games in the 2000s are way better. That's why i love playing the old racing games. That's why i hate newer racing games.

Ballisticng is fun, its like pacer but with the first 4 Wipeouts instead of HD and 2048 and has retro-ish graphics. You should try it.

I feel that racing genre is the genre that comes most down to personality than any genre. Because it is all abut how it feels. Not technical stuff like this or that you can see on the screen but how it feels in your entire body to control the vehicle. or something, idk what I'm talking about^^ haha

techinicall issue alone i dont have mindset playing Recent FM was not really changed despite trying to be new like yeah i bought every f1 games but that game giving me fun on career then FM

The reason I’m pessimistic about modern racing games is because they’ve disappointed me time and time again. Forza Horizon just copies and pastes everything, Motorsport 8 is a joke, NFS Unbound exists, The Crew Motorfest is a Horizon clone with planes and boats, Dirt is a shell of its former self, GRID Legends is fun but nobody cares. To think that 10 years ago we had a variety of choices, it’s disappointing to see that devs are either too lazy or afraid to try anything groundbreaking

Make a video on your favorite indie racing games

I stopped caring about modern racing games after NFS Unbound and (to a extent) GT7 left a bad taste in my mouth, since most game companies stopped making them or became a former shell of themselves and develop half baked games that are going to die within a few months and keep certain fanbases happy.

I think you're still missing the point here, because while you seem to be the moderate voice here, I'm more so the devil's advocate in racing game discussions. I have enjoyed Forza Horizon 5 way more than I enjoyed Forza Horizon 1. I enjoyed NFS Heat more than I enjoyed NFS underground, I believe new is automatically better, I don't think racing games need any progression whatsoever and I don't really care for the indy games since my OCD doesn't allow me to enjoy a racing game without real cars and close to real physics.

I play many games. Racing, hell even Sly Cooper. I enjoy them for what they are. I even got a Nintendo Switch and if I don't have a PS1 I emulate it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying what you love. I wish people would stop saying it's nostalgia. Because think about the games back before that still hold up? I do still try to see the good in modern gaming, but it's not the fans that backlash or reviews, but the devs themselves. Remember when they used to care about the quality of their games besides just making money, slap high graphics and call it a day? For example. Flatout Ultimate Carnage was a remaster of Flatout 2 and fans blacklashed it cause they didn't have Flatout 2s soundtrack. So what? It has the same Physics, and the gameplay is still what you wanted. But at the times, it's the publishers that push the game creators at an impossible deadline to finish. Activision for example. When they didn't have Blur Succeed. We lost Buzarre Creations. And we will never see another PGR again. FH isn't the same as it was anymore

"Burnout" Title Potentially In Development By Stellar Entertainment Grain of Salt Stellar Entertainment are the devs of Burnout Paradise Remastered, Need for Speed: Remastered, and Need for Speed Unbound. According to their website they are currently developing/hiring for a "AAA arcade racing title" that's "Built in Unreal 5 for Gen 5 consoles and PC". Over on Twitter, they've been dropping hints for their new title. Their latest tweet seemingly being a heavy hint towards a Burnout title. The image says "POV: You're about to be rear ended", and car combat is a series staple. They also use the phrase "take downs" rather than saying "take it down" or the like, takedowns being a major mechanic of a lot of the games, as well as the subtitle for Burnout 3: Takedown (oft considered one of the best arcade racing titles).

I've noticed that there's something not covered in this video. Racing game fans absolutely HATE being happy. Forza 5 was propaganda and GT7 was beyond lame, but Grid Legends was... legendary. It's not the most realistic Grid, but it's unquestionably the most fun I've had since Rallisport 2. Of course the community tried to sweep it under the rug, just like Lego 2K, Hotwheels Unleashed 1&2, Gravel, Beach Buggy Racing 2, Fast RMX, and so, so many others. From a creative standpoint as a freelance video editor, I don't see why all of these content creators felt like adding negativity was the anwser to negativity. I was disappointed when not one indie game or an uplifting message were mentioned in ANY of those videos.

I do thank you for making this video Alex, because that’s the reason why I haven’t kept in touch of racing games in 2023 While you’re optimistic Alex: are you still concerned on what will happen to Wreckreation?

for anyone seing this comment look at game called distance, it looks nice, it has interesting and quick gameplay and amazing music

Have you tried to play trackmania 2020? I think you will enjoy it

I don't have much too say, but I somewhat agree on what you said. (Except for AAA modern racing games being bad since I never played them.) Either way, keep up with the good work!

Just bought Crumple zone thanks to this video, its a lot of fun for cheap! Hope to see more from these developers, afaik a sequel is in the works

I play different racing games for different reasons. I play Forza to race road cars. I play gt7 and acc to race gr.4-1 cars

I've tried to play multiple modern AAA racing games, and they've basically all disappointed me. Picked up Horizon 4 a few years ago, was bored after about 15 hours of playtime. Got Horizon 1 later, had lots of fun and finished the game. Played loads of The Crew 1 throughout the years, so later I played the public demo of TC2 but it was boring right from the start, same later on with Motorfest. Got to play Grid 2019 once, nothing stood out as unique, went back and finished Grid 1 for the 3rd time. Bought NFS Unbound a little while after it released, finished the annoying ass story and basically never touched it again. Went back to Heat with it's fast paced, intense night mode. The only sort of big modern racing game that looks good is Wreckfest but I haven't got round to playing it yet. Then there's art of rally, which is amazing. Lots of fun, beautiful style and a great car & track list. Recently the Night-Runners Prologue came out, and it is unbelievable. So much customization, good physics, intense races, an amazing atmosphere and a loving community. Basically the only really good racing games coming out now are the indie ones. They're more fun and it just feels much better giving my money to a small, passionate team instead of a huge publisher like EA or Ubisoft.

lamo, i was one of the four people who enjoyed nfs payback xD who cares about community, just watch a technical review from digital foundry and jump in.

Game from 5:55?

I don't get why some people litterly want nfs to die, it's one of if not the only street racing openworld arcade racing game

I've just recognized that none of the big names release a game I enjoy. I'm not going to slog through hours of handling and physics models that kill my enjoyment of a game... I'd love another NFS that plays and handles like the early Black Box games, but NFS has permanently shifted away from that style of handling in favor of a botched Burnout model. Or even Midnight Club 3 or LA. If you can tell me there's a game that handles jus the same, (has better AI than the old NFS games) or stellar Cop Pursuits... I'd be down. There's a few I've heard of and have yet to pick up, but that's probably cause I'm tired of being disappointed by modern games as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be wowed by new games and play new experiences, but I'm not invested in getting burnt anymore... it's happened too much. Call me old and jaded, cause I am, but I know what I want, and I ain't seen it, lol. New games simply aren't for me.

i like cars they're cute

Translated by Google: The problem is those who criticize this are players (Non Car Guy) who do not understand and do not know what real cars and racing are because they are players who the only thing they have in their minds are weapons and ammunition and the only thing they know how to do is kill. And they say ridiculous and stupid things that have nothing to do with what they are saying, please don't associate real cars with guns because those never mix. What we and everyone can do is that the "Non Car Guy" players have more acceptance and no unfair contempt so that they discover that cars and racing are much more than that because it is a world and cultures.

It doesn't only feel alienating, it is exausting. I still get mad with quite a few comments, specially when someone says "this game instantly bad becauuse not Most Wanted '05" but i try as much as i can to avoid it, it's not easy still. I actually do think that NFS Most Wanted, despite being an awesome game, is not even close to NFS Heat, Rivals, Carbon, Hot Pursuit 2, Hot Pursuit 2010 and specially Pro Street (my personal favorite in visuals, gameplay, soundtrack and atmosphere). Midnight Club 3 is not better than Midnight Club L.A., GRID 1 and 2 are not better than GRID Autosport, Wreckfest is MUCH better than FlatOut 2, etc...

I disagree with most of the points in this video tbh. Video games are a product not a free service. If they do not meet expectations and industry standards, they deserve to be criticized. As of late, a lot of the big releases have simply not been up to par and therefore criticism of the genre is extremely valid. You mention indie games as if they were an excuse for a lot of AAA games being mediocre. And while yes there are a lot of indie games which are fun and worth playing, they litterally have nothing to do with the topic at hand that people are complaining about. Sugarcoating reality does no good for anyone in the long term. And as for excitement, Idk ab others but Im extremely excited for some upcoming releases such as Test drive unlimited solar crown and CarX Street (which has been getting delayed for like 4 years now).

People say Unbound sucks, I actually found Unbound to be a lot of fun, Underground 2 on the other hand is terribly boring imo

nfs heat, payback, rivals, run, shift 2, prostreet are best games. but the fanboys mw always reject it. nfs not always about most wanted.

me in racing game communnity: man games this days are so garbage, i want to make my own one day

You know what even worse about the community? People who always think about modern games are bad decided to not trust people that are saying any newer game good. Which they just saying that the creator of just being payed by the dev instead of getting an actual opinion which is so stupid, it's the reason ehy dustinedin leave the need for speed community.

I think Forza Horizon community response to this month update reflect the whole racing game community, they've been beging for more race car and yet when the developer put more race car into the game they complain that they want more street car

other problem is shadow banned,which is no matter how hard work such as talking about,etc... is they still get low view (not reach 1k) for some reason,resuiting not being show up or barely show up in search and other terrible way they had is botting views so last 3 latter in this video id:fck

Do you know what also causes irreparable damage to the industry? Conformism! Turning a blind eye to what has no place in games in the first place. So if publishers don’t want to listen to players, but they continue to push them what they don’t need/don’t like, why wouldn’t I be “toxic” about it? Racevik also made it clear that every new game has a mocking catch that will make the player angry. So I will behave this way if I deem it necessary, and your arguments simply sound invalid and ridiculous, live with it.

i agree with most of your opinions on the racing game genre but i dont think i will ever understand your hate for hotshot racing removing guns was the best thing that happened to the game

It's completely okay to say "this game series should've ended on 2-99th game", it's an opinion and it doesn't hurt anyone. People who "may think" that the racing genre is bad or not worth their time because of that are not worth YOUR time. AAA arcade racing games are in very strange game category because they still get decent money even though the genre is struggling as a whole, because there's no new content poured into it (since 2020 we've had NFS, FH5, another DIRT, and maybe Hot Wheels) or there are major issues with it - very basic/barebones main gameplay loop and/or awful overall progression, or maybe grindy main progression, or terrible monetisation, or games built on the same foundation as previous titles with monetization for full price tag with just small QoL changes (Forza Horizon since 3, The Crew since the first game, NFS since 2015). Recent The Crew scandal also kind of hurt Test Drive USC (and there also other reasons, for example some of the progression elements on closed tests makes it safe to say that this is another half-game half-job that will require internet connection at all times). I understand that The Crew shutdown happened way after video release, but it's relevant in overall discussion. Rose tinted glasses are a bit of a problem when we're talking about old racing games in the community, yes, because many of them had quite frustrating moments. Small devs also probably cannot create a big playing space like an open world for a racing game, nor they can create a big car list. This is understandable, but not for everyone. But at the same time I don't understand how current players let publishers get away with other terrible shortcomings in 70 USD/EUR titles that have aggressive monetization. At this point I feel like it's an abusive relationship between publisher, studio and players. Once I've seen a very sad take that went like that - "if we won't spend money on the DLCs/MTX, the publisher won't make a better game in the future". Well it won't happen if you spend money as well, they will just make another game like the current one, because they see that the cash flow is still good from the current level of quality. Supporting the AAA game releases basically says to publishers that it's okay to make games of the current quality and customers would eat that up. Buying and sharing indie or AA titles like Wreckfest or Trail Out (btw, comparing Trail Out to Flatout 2 is probably a stretch, first is basically well executed indie, second one is a sequel of a successful game done by the studio with publisher money) is the best option because it will show big publishers that there is still money in this genre and they're doing something wrong. Also about racing game genre as a whole - there's an argument that players just want their old games back and better in order to succeed. That is not true, for a simple reason. There are niches in arcade racing games that aren't filled for a long time. Good car chases? NFS MW 2012, HP 2010, earlier NFS games, Driver SF, Burnout Paradise City. Latest game on the list is MW 2012, it's more than 10 years old now. Arcade street racing with car combat? Burnout, Crashday, Blur, Split/Second. Street racing with tuning? NFS is a husk of its' former self, Apex Point is in development, Night Runners is kinda niche and also in development, CarX Street is in development, offroad racing/rally - Gravel is just a quickly made UE4 racing that barely received funding, DIRT 1-Showdown, Motorstorm. I clearly understand that this comment was written some time after the video released and some points made here are not in the video because they weren't out there at the time

Who is this for? People don't like modern games because they suck, not because someone on YT told them so. Telling people to "Just have fun with your garbage" doesn't even begin to attempt to solve anything. It's the video game cuckold "Be grateful for the shit they expect you to buy." As to game pessimism, Forza Motorsport, doesn't work. You're not having fun with it, it doesn't work. The past 3 NFS titles have ranged from bad, to doesn't work, to mediocre. Telling people to be excited for Test Drive with Kylotonn's long history of mediocre past releases, doesn't help. Don't pre-order it, and wait and see if it even actually functions at launch. My issue isn't that Dirt 5 isn't as good as 2 or 3, it's that Dirt 5, isn't good. The "Indie problem" is that they're either kart racers, top down racers, or frankly just not very good. I don't like kart racers nor top down racers, and those genres have been so dead aside from Mario Kart for decades that they aren't going to hit any major popularity. Art of Rally is neat, and relatively popular, but top down appeal is minimal. I don't understand how you can make a video and say all these things are bad, but also that you agree with all of them. I don't want more racing games, I want more *good* racing games. I want a game that functions. I want a game with physics that don't freak out. I want a game with a fun handling model. I don't want a broken launch, micro $, shitty physics, poor controls, broken AI, etc. It is laughable to show Raycevicks video about how bad racing games are and suggest that it's inaccurate. He shows what the problem with the community is that lead to where we are, which ironically is what you seem to be attempting to do now, accepting that things suck and telling people to get used to it. No. The games don't work, I'm just going to pretend like they do. What's baffling is you even missed why the racing game community actually sucks. They don't like arcade racers. If anything is shown that's even a hint of not being a hardcore GT3 sim, they spew bile. If you like hardcore GT3 sim #23 and they like hardcore GT3 sim #22, they spew bile. If you don't have money to buy a $20k rig, they spew bile. If an arcade game does come out, somehow they've brainwashed themselves into believing that arcade racers can't function with a steering wheel and FFB, despite that literally being where wheels and FFB originated. On the other hand, I'm sorry but people that like the new arcade racers, are out of their mind in my opinion. The Crew, sucks. The physics are terrible. The only saving grace it has... had, since they shut down 1 entirely and now moved to Hawaii, is that it had a big map you could cruise around in. They even talk about how much they actually simulate, they just use unrealistic values.

man all these points are just wrong so much whining why cant people just be grateful

Racing game content creator in a nutshell: We have KuruHS and DustinEden beating the sh#t out of the franchise that brought their channel into daylight, while absolutely pushing out their ideas that won't really gonna work onto 202X game industry, with the words "we want a better game" to pleasing the community that was stuck in neutral for decades; Roflwaffle16 is cleverly using nostalgia filter and identity as og GT fans, disguising his own idea as "objective" and "packed with knowledge" opinions, trying he best to paint GT7 as a worthless game while praising GT3 at the best, in order to cope with old boys; Meanwhile, at Forza community. Although they're pepo like HokiHoshi being objective for the state, but devs decide to ignore anything that got their way and using power play to control comments. Sure enough, majority of players didn't really mind about it, Forza was already rotted from inside and out. Ofc, big some names like BlackPanthaa don't really give a damn about the situation, The hot takes is nothing more than just repeating the spiciest options, farming the attention and revenue. Before fire up your keyboard and starting to open fire, have u notice some similarity? The big, white elephant in the room... Is for the sake of "Content" U see, a video about how good a game below the surface vs a video about how bad a game a game on the surface, the latter always attracting more people to watch, get conversation to roll and get pushed by algorithm. Topics like "XX was dead", "XX was bad" usually came with more heat than regular video, it contain more energy and drama, which for would motivating viewers to watch and arguing about the topics, thus, better number and greater income. So instead of being objective as much as they could, they usually change the bias when they describe it. Influencers have weights in their words, yet they just dumping words like consequences wouldn't gonna effect anything. You can always digging some fun out of a video game regardless; But won't be same story if someone hint u with some "proofs" it was bad before u even try it. I have seen so many people after trying those "bad" games, and said "hey, this is actually pretty fun". But that wasn't always the case, prejudices were already carve into people's mind, when that kind of voice get louder and louder, it'll have direct impact on the future of the game. We have seen this in the pass with DSF, Blur, Split Sec and so many titles, yet history is repeating itself every single day. Hell, sometime even those people said that they clamed game was bad, because that bring attention to the channel (Yea, Roflwaffle. That's literally what u said in your 2023 wrap-up. U are not gonna round up your BS that easily.) And stick with that kind of comment because they have a image to keep. Beside, the experience and happiness u got of a game, it's completely up to yourself. Not someone in ytb video could or should manipulated. When a review or a discussion get stuffed with bias and purposes, u should think twice it was worth to consume.

To be honest, I don't want NFS. And why do you want NFS if you don't like the new NFS? This is the problem. Because it puts stress on game developers. If they make a game and it doesn't sell, will they have any intention of developing it?

damn, ever since your #wewantnfs video, the views tanked... I wonder if the algorithm is a bit angry...

i rarely play new racing games now days, 11 years of trying new bad racing games just made me give up latest game that i tried was The Crew 2, just unfun forza horizon clone generic ubisoft game before that the new need for speed made me puke but Trail Out is good, is a less polished flatoutish game hope EA just port the old need for speed to steam, really unfun to have to download cracked dvd copies on the year 2024

I don't care about small indie games. The coveted racing games from 2000-2010 will continue to eclipse anything that comes out these days until they are matched in quality. No amount of "but muh nostalgia" coping will change that. There is a vast catalogue of games from that era which can easily be t*rrented, emulated and modded for free on any low-tier PC, that's more than enough content to entrain for a lifetime. Posting cringe video essays telling people to "just be nice" and "try indie stuff" isn't going to do anything

The problem is for me with racing games is nowadays is that their all feel the same because I was around when need for speed was cool, outrun 2006 was the peak of arcade racing and lot of games back then was great except for the bad ones but to me their better then the crap we getting nowadays I would say the last good racing game from the 2000s up to the early or mid 2010s the crew and Forza horizon 1.