The Ink that Bach used

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How to recognize the different types of ink Bach used.
00:00 Summary of topics treated in this video
00:36 BWV 816 Allemande French Suite 5 - Bach using a weary quill
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02:51 BWV 41 Violincello piccolo - Recutting a quill
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04:29 Klavierbüchlein für Anna Magdalena Bachin - How to date a score
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05:12 Das Wohltemperirte Clavier 1 - Watermark
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05:12 BWV 816 Student copies
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06:39 BWV 123 Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen - Quill
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BWV 124 Meinen Jesum lass ich nicht - mingling different types of ink
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07:54 BWV 816 Gigue - foodstain
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08:15 BWV 906 Fantasia - Hair of Bach & resolution of scans
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08:33 BWV 48 Ich elender Mensch, wer wird mich erlösen - Fly
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09:06 How the notebooks were used
09:31 BWV 836 Allemande Klavierbüchlein für Wilhelm Friedemann Bach
Due to the concordance with a source attributed to the Bolognese composer Sandoni, the attribution to a member of the Bach family now seems very unlikely.
10:26 BWV 1132 Contrapuntal studies
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11:33 Second notebook Anna Magdalena Bach
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BWV 82 Aria Schlummert ein, ihr matten Augen
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12:24 BWV 812 Allemande - Calligraphy of Anna Magdalena
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15:01 BWV 991 Air - sketch
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17:22 BWV 103 Ihr werdet weinen und heulen - ghosting notes by sweeping
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17:39 BWV 1001 Prelude Cello suite 5 - correction of notes
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18:00 BWV 1121 Fantasia - Organ Tablature
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19:30 Red vermillion ink
BWV 244 St Matthew Passion - use of red ink
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20:32 Brown and black ink
BWV 846 Fugue - use of brown and black ink
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BWV 163 Nur jedem das Seine - revision in black
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21:14 Confettifying of scores
21:28 Ink corrosion
21:35 Chiffon silk
BWV 68 Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt - Soprano part
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21:46 BWV 846 Prelude - paper splitting
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22:03 BWV 47 Violino obligata - carbon ink
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22:22 BWV 232 Hohe Messe - iron gall ink
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22:56 BWV 66 Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen - individualty of notes
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23:28 Calligraphy in commission

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@fleurafricaine5740 29 дней назад

I’ve never seen a close examination of Bach’s manuscripts before. I sympathize with his scarcity of materials we take for granted.

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

I would personally like to see videos of a skilled calligrapher and hear what can actually be found in the Bach manuscripts and how they were made.

@timothyhoft 27 дней назад

I attended a lecture by Robert Levin once. In the lecture, Levin spoke of how he studied the color of ink in Mozart's scores. From this, he was able to deduce that Mozart wrote three piano concertos at the same time.

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Nice, I will search for those scores and see if I can find that. I once attended a Levin concert, his improvisations in classical style based on themes from the audience made a crushing impression on me.

@timothyhoft 27 дней назад

@@joostwitte5546 Me too. He's incredible.

@StyzeSoulmaker 29 дней назад

It's an amazing insight that bach composes the top voice first, at least in some cases. He might not have been as figured bass oriented as we think. The foundation sometimes is the melody

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

Yes, it is very interesting to see the sequence and a difficult task to understand it properly. My assessment is that the subject already contains a lot of potential when it comes to its effect and that Bach quickly picked out the most special ones to twist.

@HelloSpyMyLie 20 дней назад

We have absolutely no idea how he composed. That is my take after a bachelors and 2 masters degrees in Music

@Nekog1rl Месяц назад

You tell such wonderful stories through your paleographical analysis of Bach's scores. Thank you for breathing new life into these often battered pages!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

I love the word paleographic, I didn't know that word existed. I looked it up and found some great literature about the scientific boundaries and caution that should be involved. A good lesson not to be too certain about what can be seen. Thanks for your words!

@TheStockwell 27 дней назад

This is extraordinary. My house is full of Bach's music - who's house isn't? I am also an Artist/illustrator and have recently begun making my own ink. So, when a video about the ink Bach used appears . . . ! This was a wonderful way to begin my day. ❤️ Best wishes from Vermont 🍁

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Well good morning! What a nice reaction.

@RickGraham 17 дней назад

I've always considered Bach's manuscripts as works of art. Then you hear the incredible music.... .

@joostwitte5546 16 дней назад

Yes, one of the greatest or the greatest composer and calligrapher of all time!

@aloisbreu6063 14 дней назад

Sehr geehrter Herr Witte, Ihre höchst interessanten Beiträge rund um das Schaffen Bachs sind nicht nur außerordentlich informativ, sondern spannend wie ein Thriller. Ich hoffe, Sie bekommen die verdiente Anerkennung und sage siebenstellige Zugriffszahlen voraus ;) Herzlichen Dank für Ihre überaus wertvolle Arbeit!

@joostwitte5546 13 дней назад

Vielen Dank für Ihre freundlichen Worte. Ja, es ist sehr aufregend zu erkennen, was es zu sehen gibt und wie es hergestellt wird.

@CalebePriester 24 дня назад

This is so cool. I love to copy scores. It relaxes me.

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Such a nice thing to do

@Bach6032 Месяц назад

What a wonderfully interesting/educational video, providing yet another level of enjoyment of the works of the great master. Thank you for sharing this with us.

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

That is very motivating to hear!

@NicoTallac 24 дня назад

Absolutely amazing, beautiful master piece work, thank you for your effort!

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Thank you for your kind words!

@danielwaitzman2118 25 дней назад

What a wonderful presentation!

@joostwitte5546 25 дней назад

Thanks Daniel, that's great to hear!

@nightspore4850 29 дней назад

This is the second of these programs I have watched. Both were fascinating. It is seriously valuable work and I am glad the decision was made to share it. You actually get a sense of Bach’s physical presence. Superb.

@joostwitte5546 29 дней назад

Thank you, yes, making the same gestures is like restoring a library of movements, a tactile theatrical sensation that goes beyond strictly scientific observations.

@Korzhovkomposer 22 дня назад

Спасибо) Очень интересно, я много всего узнал.

@joostwitte5546 22 дня назад

Hartelijk dank!

@melindayin2705 29 дней назад

i learned Bachs sonata no. 1 for solo violin in high school, and then 20 yrs later, i wrote out the score based on the autograph manuscript. it revealed so much in the score I didnt appreciate in the engraved version. takes time but highly recommend the exercise! your video takes this to another dimension

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

Yes, it is a wonderful experience that you can learn so much from just literally copying!

@JN-so6wt 20 дней назад

this makes me feel a lot better about the quality and condition of my writing and written compositions! 😆

@joostwitte5546 20 дней назад

That's a nice effect!

@melissaraven3164 29 дней назад

the brief excerpts really enhance this wonderful video, thanks

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

Your encouragement has helped me tremendously, and I can see it working.

@Renshen1957 24 дня назад

The dotted note of a higher value such as a dotted 1/8th followed by a 16th was understood from French harpsichord music to be played as a prolonged double dotted 1/8th or longer and the 1/16th note shortened. The instance of the 16th note instead of 1/8 not cited was understood as having a preceding 1/16 note rest. I might point other 17th-18th century performance practices, short hand as to writing an ornament in a motive which in reoccurring occurrence also understood to be played, or adding a trill in an ending cadence although not written was obligatory in performance.

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

I keep learning

@rossmcintosh2683 28 дней назад

Absolutely interesting! Please keep these coming.

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Next video will be about a short aria, I am looking forward to finish that video.

@aldoingermany 27 дней назад

This was absolutely fascinating! Thank you for sharing your amazing research and analysis.❤

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Thank you for all the praise!

@MusicaAngela 25 дней назад

This is fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing!

@joostwitte5546 25 дней назад

Thank you, I'm glad you watched.

@Contrapunctus1750 Месяц назад

Another brilliant video! Thank you for making these.

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Thank you for the appreciation!

@asynchronicity 28 дней назад

Uniquely fascinating. Thanks!

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Great to hear, thanks for watching!

@amusicment4829 29 дней назад

Wonderful! Fascinating and fun, thank you!

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

Thanks for viewing!

@davidstolarz542 22 дня назад

Well done! Loved watching this.

@joostwitte5546 21 день назад

Thank you David, I'm glad you enjoyed it

@albertsystem1 26 дней назад

Nice job with these videos. Well done!

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Thank you!

@JumpingCow Месяц назад

Fascinating! Thank you.

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Thanks for viewing!

@SorenxD123 Месяц назад

Very interesting! Thanks for the video!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Thanks also!

@jeanpierrecarabas5508 Месяц назад

ganz fantastische Arbeit - vielen DANK!!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Das ist gut zu hören!

@MrDanilop45 24 дня назад

An amazing work, thank you for sharing it. I am studying classical harmony so I am really happy in looking how it was done.

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Thanks for your kind words and watching!

@nazlimilany679 27 дней назад

Such a wonderful video! Prachtig! Thanks for sharing.

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Dank je wel Nazli - je bent een geweldig steun en toeverlaat in dit - ons - project!

@nazlimilany679 27 дней назад

Graag gedaan Joost! Ik ben echt trots op je.

@aldolopez9564 23 дня назад

What a wonderful video. I have started ink calligraphy as a hobbie and this gives le even more respect for Bach's music. Imagine living in that time and not being allowed to make a single mistake. You could, but corrections will be a high price to pay.

@joostwitte5546 23 дня назад

I hope that the videos are an inspiration to continue working with calligraphy yourself. Errors are indeed an issue, in one of the upcoming videos about a fugue I will go into it in more detail.

@cantavanda 24 дня назад

what a masterful video... Dank U voor Uw onderzoek.

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Thanks for your rave rating and watching!

@squishyrrr Месяц назад

what a wonderful video thanks a lot much love from vienna

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Thank you for the appreciation, warm greetings from Harlingen

@prototropo 25 дней назад

At 10:27 we are gifted with sound, and look, of civilization. This video serves the most compelling insights I've ever encountered into-- * Bach's compositional habits, * the brilliance of music notation as a universal language distinct from music as a universal, * the astonishing production, and productivity, of labor-intensive Western polyphonic music, * 18th-century work ethics amongst skilled intellectual workers of Central Europe, * education theory in the Enlightenment, * semiotics and * ink & feather quill as a beloved, pre digital medium. Much as the sound of music is geometric in that the waveforms of its pitch classes are quite predictable and physical ratios-- 2/1 for octaves, 3/2 fifth, etc.--notation can be seen as algebraic ciphers, since an entire set of notes can be transposed, or transferred and reapplied, from one tonal class to 23 others, in Western major/ minor, 12-key tuning, temperament, transposition and tonality sensibilities. The most endearing facet of Bach's notation for me has always been the quirky wavy-ness of his hemi-, demi- & semi-quavers. They can fairly be regarded as lyrical, literal and analog, as much as symbolic abstractions, as our lexicon of music also suggests, because: * music is itself literally undulatory (from Latin "unda," wave) produced by variable sound-waves striking * the "tympani" (also from Latin, for drum; in modern anatomy--ear drums) of * the ears ("pinna," the outer ear, derives from Latin for feather!) and * transformed into pulses of electrical potential to the brain's temporal lobes (from Latin "tempus" for time--half the essential definition of music as "sound through time"). Thus does music wash across an undulating ocean to the distant shores of a shared evolutionary universe in our common cranial concert hall.

@joostwitte5546 25 дней назад

Wow! I've read this a few times, what a grand review, thank you so much!

@Legendoftherock 27 дней назад

Enjoyed this!

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

That makes me glad!

@josefbuckland 24 дня назад

WOW. Just simply WOW!

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

I love being wowed!

@Renshen1957 24 дня назад

About 11 preludes from the W F Bach Note-booklet were revised and used in the WTC PT 1, revised and lengthened, some fugues composed earlier…

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Fascinating

@SenicoOcines Месяц назад

I watched all the calligraphy videos in this channel. Its a unique channel. Can u make a video someday in how u make your tools?

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Hi Lucas, that's a good idea, I will show the feather collecting and processing in one of the next videos.

@chrismoser3481 26 дней назад

Very very interesting

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Nice to hear!

@carlmagnussen7773 Месяц назад

Thank you!!!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

Glad you watched the video!

@DonutSurprise 23 дня назад

How interesting!

@joostwitte5546 23 дня назад

Thanks, yes I find it an interesting topic myself.

@zoroken2946 26 дней назад

Really glad I stumbled upon this channel, matter of fact I recently bought a quill and ink when I was in Venice - speaking of Venice, is there any chance of examining manuscripts by other composers, like Bach’s contemporary Antonio Vivaldi?

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

I did a big project calligraphing all the manuscripts with music by Michelangelo Galilei - this was a firm base for my educating. For the time being I will mainly focus on Bach. Good luck trying out the quill and ink!

@ruhigul492 Месяц назад

thank you so much!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

It was fun making this video!

@joostwitte5546 Месяц назад

You are very welcome!

@Koekjes32434234 24 дня назад

Done! I have watched all these videos now, very good! Can I ask a question that came to mind? Do you happen to know if there is a nice instance of the B-A-C-H motive in his own handwriting?

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Thanks for watching all the videos - I'll do that sometime to see what I've actually said. In the next video there is a small digression on the name motif, and it will also be a topic in a video about etching technique.

@oxoelfoxo 29 дней назад

seems easier to write notation with a quill than a ballpen or a pencil. if not easier then definitely prettier

@joostwitte5546 29 дней назад

Quills are awesome!

@Tmanaz480 26 дней назад

Nowadays, a medium italic nib on a fountain pen works well, but can't duplicate the flexibility we see here.

@thepostapocalyptictrio4762 26 дней назад

Someone should tell Rick Beato about this. This research on this channel is insightful and deep.

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Is he also interested in classical music? Sorry I don't know Rick Beato, he seems like a great teacher and storyteller.

@RobinsMusic 24 дня назад

@@joostwitte5546he’s interested in every type of music he’s already made videos about Bach and other baroque music

@Gustavo-ok7jw 22 дня назад

I'm glad I found your channel, it's so interesting. I have a question though: which are the evidence that Bach didn't compose in front of a keyboard? I'm confident that's the case, but I'd like to know what leads to this assumption.

@joostwitte5546 22 дня назад

Hello Gustavo, the primary source for information about Bach is the Bach Reader in which all relevant historical sources are included. The forums on the bach-cantatas website offer a generous diversity of interpretations of these sources. Emmanuel is an important source when it comes to composition methods. Of course, compositions have also emerged from improvisation.

@BrunoNeureiter 21 день назад

He wrote in a letter that only a fool would write music sitting on the piano instead of in silence. Haha

@Renshen1957 24 дня назад

J S Bach made his own ink…which is “eating” through the paper…in time the manuscripts will decompose…Also note the word “ClavesBin”, modern Clavecin. the French word for Harpsichord, later J S Bach used the Italian term “Cembalo” for Harpsichord.

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Nice

@brandynamite3022 29 дней назад

Just imagine what Bach could have done if he had a ballpoint pen

@joostwitte5546 28 дней назад

Good point!

@topsecret1837 27 дней назад

@@joostwitte5546 Well written.

@TheStockwell 27 дней назад

A fountain pen would've been preferable. It requires very little pressure to write and can hold a lot of ink. So can a ballpoint pen, but the pressure needed to force the thick, gummy ink onto the paper is why ballpoint pens give a person writer's cramp. A quill, nib, or fountain pen is much, much easier on the hand. Best wishes from Vermont 🍁

@CalebePriester 24 дня назад

7:45 lol I can completely relate

@joostwitte5546 24 дня назад

Me too

@polyvg 20 дней назад

Was fungal spore ink not available, and used, at that time? (Such as made from fungi like the inkcaps.) Or was that more of a British technique?

@joostwitte5546 20 дней назад

This is the first time I've heard of this, how surprising!

@Vextrove 22 дня назад

Which books did Bach buy?

@joostwitte5546 22 дня назад

Ante Calvinismus, Christen Schule & AntiMelancholicus by August Pfeiffer

@topsecret1837 28 дней назад

Can you tell what hand he used to write based off of this? I’d imagine it’d be the right because the left would smudge the ink more often.

@joostwitte5546 27 дней назад

Bach scores and all copies by students and family are calligraphed with the right hand. This must have something to do with the writing lesson at school in which right-handedness was prescribed and left-handedness was not accepted.

@giovannafabiano2921 26 дней назад

If you investigate on the ink Bach used please play harpsichord or organo compositions for musical soundtrack. Bach wrote for harpsichord and organ. Thank you

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Good idea, I'll take it into account in future videos. The next one is about an a cappella piece and then one about a violin fugue, so it will take some time before it is realized. I've had bad experiences with misplaced copyright claims and a basic digital piano reduction seems to reduce that risk. A beautiful piano performance is perfectly acceptable in current performance practice and I may also make use of it, not historically correct but artistically enjoyable.

@peturadunga 16 дней назад

where to get this kind of materials? and how to learn to use them? :/

@joostwitte5546 16 дней назад

I will make a video about tools and materials and how to start and practice. Thanks for the question!

@peturadunga 15 дней назад

@joostwitte5546 BTW... the optics in your videos are excellent. Same can not be said about the audio

@joostwitte5546 14 дней назад

@@peturadunga Yes, I will have to do something about the sound. On my Instagram account @happy.sad.sad.happy.bach you can find videos with real musicians playing from my scores.

@henrywilcox1000 29 дней назад

No one is brave enough yet, so I have to be the one: The white smudge is.... sssssspppppppppppppppp.......onge cake frosting?

@joostwitte5546 29 дней назад

I add it to the list: 1. Powdering a wig 2. Frosting a cake

@radbradmusicartist 22 дня назад

I thought it was a cup of honey mustard or some type of dipping sauce 😂

@joostwitte5546 21 день назад

I add it to the list: 1. Powdering a wig 2. Frosting a cake 3. A cup of honey mustard 4. Some type of dipping sauce

@video_camera 23 дня назад

Really interesting video, although being as well researched as it is, I expected more historical accuracy by using harpsichord versions of the pieces you put. :/

@joostwitte5546 23 дня назад

Yes, you are right. I'll try to do something about that. It's quite a lot of signs to hold up at once - but I'll keep it in mind.

@video_camera 22 дня назад

@@joostwitte5546 But hey, that's only a minor inconvenience. The effort you put into sharing this knowledge is incredible. Thanks a lot.

@willshaw7304 25 дней назад

The achievements attributed to JS Bach can not have been accomplished by anything resembling a human being that we are familiar with. Andras Schiff once commented that if one were merely to write out all of "his" compositions one would not have enough time to do it. "He". was a master composer (beyond our intelliigience), master violinist, master keyboard player, master calligrapher, master organ repairman, Latin teacher, Bible expert, father of 20.... it's a myth. The stories of all these composer giants from centuries past don't comport with reality.

@mariapiazza-od8ib 25 дней назад

@willshaw .. Please slow down .. master master master .. not human 😮😮😮 don't you DOUBT for a moment of some EXTRA intervention ??? 😢😢 NOBODY RECOGNIZED BACH while he was living , no success no glory no printed scores (few and very poor) 😢😢 then SUDDENLY THE EXPLOSION OF THE CULT OF BACH one hundred years later ??? .. Patronized by MENDELSSOHN and the German KULTURKAMPF ?? 😮😮 BACH IS A GIFT AND A BLESSING FOR ALL HUMANITY.. but many many things remain to be explained , with fairness and honesty 🌺🌺🌺

@joostwitte5546 25 дней назад

The question of how long it will take to write out all his scores has been bothering me for a long time, I hope to be able to say something useful about that one day.

@willshaw7304 24 дня назад

@@joostwitte5546 It isn't just how long it takes to write the music that inspired my comment. Your work is fascinating and "Bach" is one of my genuine passions. I just don't accept the bio - it's a mystery to me.

@lambert801 25 дней назад

Why does Bach's handwriting look so much worse than yours? Hahaha

@joostwitte5546 25 дней назад

Yes, it sometimes seems like I have mastered it, but in fact I feel like a beginner and amateur when I see his scores.

@fiandrhi 27 дней назад

I would love to own one of your scores imitative of Bach's hand. Do you sell them?

@joostwitte5546 26 дней назад

Yes, I make scores in commission! You can contact me by email: the adress is showing at the end of the video (I prefer not to type it here for feeding harvesting spambots).