There should be laws against mega-corporations for sure, but this one is totally unnecessary and not gonna solve any real issues. The fact that every once in a while you can't charge your phone because your friend has a Lightning cable and you need a Type-C is not a real issue, it's just an unnecessary 'fuck you' to big corporations.
@760futura How is USB C flawed? It should be the standard rather than crappy proprietary ports just so Apple can make more money at the expense of the consumer and the environment.
@760futura They are free to say that. But then they can say goodbye to the European market. I hope that corpos being more powerful than governments will only be a thing of dystopian media.
The EU basically did say "just come up with a unified cable" a number of years ago. The industry responded and chose of their own valition type-c, but it was just apple refusing to play ball because they were making money
so another companies basically dumb and they dont have tecnologie like lightning ..... why the hell apple have to listen any countries they saying to them what they do ! you are just kid you want usb-c everywhere how do you know is better for all device why apple have play ball with another companies
Its just disgusting really. In every certified lightning cable, there is a tiny chip from apple that costs money. Counterfeit cables won’t work after 1 update. Apple is making huge money in this and they won’t do anymore when going the more superior usb c. Its not about the costumers, its about the money
USB C is supposed to a a uniform standard but the only thing that’s standard is the connector shape. A lot of usb C do not support the various functionalities they’re supposed to be able to support.
The EU directive is pretty flexible in that it is actually published by an apposite team working on this, which is set to re-evaluate the market and update the directive every 5 years i think, which would see the connector change if a new one is developed that has advantages. EU tried telling the market "hey, it would be nice to have everyone on the same connector so that chargers are compatible" and that's the reason why almost all android phone had mini USB, but guess who didn't jump on board and forced the law to be so prescriptive?
The EU is a lot less dysfunctional than the US when it comes to governing over things like this. I think Americans assume that these sort of choices coming from a government are always bad when they aren’t.
Yea exactly, it isn't the EU being strict because they want to be strict, it's the EU being strict because big bully Apple forced them to be strict. I mean if what Marques speculates actually happens (and I'm 90% sure it will) they will still stick to making their own proprietary products because money.
nonsense. who's coming out with a new standard when they ruined all the competition? This is how we get stuck with garbage for a long time. The standard is going to be EU approval rather than pure improvement through competition. It's like no one has lived through a government standards change and expects them to work closely with Apple and Google to come up with something. Get used to USB-C on a permanent basis
This has nothing to do with e-waste. The EU is spewing a huge number of these regulations to try to suck money out of the USA, like they have been for 80ish years. Just parasites.
This was the exact reason electronics stopped having their own types of connectors a long time ago. They were all forced to standardize to cut down e-waste, and it was better for the consumer because you could finally charge any type of device you had at a friends place cause everything was standardized.
Ikr, especially how apple doesn’t come with a charger or headphones included making you buy them packaged separately, they not even have a headphone jack forcing you to buy new wireless ones if you don’t have them already, they make their phones almost impossible to repair without going to an apple store where most of the time they’ll just tell you to get a new phone anyway, and forcing people to use a different cable for apple phones than everything else makes so much more waste as you need to buy twice as many cables! It’s so fucking hypocritical.
Wireless charging seems to be worse for the environment for now. It doesn't provide the same amount of energy as it sucks out of the wall, so much waste. Also, you still need to carry a whole charging dock, maybe mini but still. I think they have to follow and go for usbc, because wireless is not really wireless 😅
Exactly. Even though I’m happy with 15-20W charge speeds, I see no reason to make all that extra heat between the coils when I can have a nice cool connector. In fact the only times I ever even consider wanting a wireless charger are when my phone got wet and it won’t let me charge until it’s dry. But that’s infrequent enough that I’m not spending money for that scenario.
I think most people who have used wireless charging can attest to how shit it actually is, especially in Magsafe's case. Magsafe is literally less efficient, slower WIRED charging with a worse location on the phone. You don't get rid of any wires at all!
I like the fact that’s they’re complaining about e-waste when standardization of cables would mean less, since everyone can just use one cord for most of their devices
Oh they don't give a shit about e waste. They make plenty of it already, so does the 3rd party companies who produce lightning accessories. What they really meant to say is " we don't want to move to USB type C or wireless/no port, because then we as a company couldn't continue to collect quantitative amounts of royalties from 3rd parties who pay us to manufacture lightning accessories & chargers"
a couple years ago I would just say that apple people don't have usb anyway, and I guess that's true anyway (most iphone users have a windows laptop or pc, or no real computer at all, and very few other devices), apple makes usb c devices sooooo
This is not good. Forcing companies to use one cable halts innovation. I want USB C on all devices but I also want others to come up with better solutions. And the only way to do is not with this law. Now there will be no port at all on Iphones.
USB-C is just the port shape, the data/charging part can keep being improved in subsequent USB versions or even another protocol entirely down the line. A good example would be thunderbolt which is a different protocol to USB but uses USB-C as the standard for the physical port itself.
No, there are limits to the port itself, lightning and micro usb(standard) physically cant use the usb 3 protocol, they dont have enough pins, same for power delivery, micro usb maxes out at 15w, since without enough metal to metal contact, too much power can melt the port.
I agree. I think they will get rid of the charge port and just say people have been wirelessly charging long enough that they don’t need to give you anything.
They need to supply their product with everything that it requires to keep it working. That means a cable or magsafe or whatever. I think there’s a law or something. Otherwise, they wouldn’t even give you a cable these days.
If anything the Apple cables and phone connectors are more likely to go bad from corrosion due to tendency of super tiny junk being jammed into the iphone port. I've personally never seen a ruined USB C cable unless you purposely damaged it.
@@MrMega200 yeah. All of my friends' iphone cables got broken several times, mine also. Had no problem with my Type-C cables so far. So if they're talking about E-waste....
yea and not standardizing cabling and ports creates more ewaste because households will need more different types of cables rather than reusing the same on for different devices. of course they'll say anything for their bottom line
I agree. But two things are on my mind: 1.) A wired connection will always be faster and less prone to interference (thing about fiber connections etc) So if you film your maybe 8k HDR 120 fps with your iPhone 17, do you really want to transfer the data wirelessly ? Also I think when it comes to charging, a wired connection is always better in efficiency. I like wireless charging but a cable will always be better in this regards 2.) I just like the idea of having one cable that can serve a lot. I'm at a friends house. Forget my charger. I can charge there with my friends usb-c. This wireless charging tech from apple might be cool but... don't we all use the same plug at our outlets for every electronical device? Isn't that great?
Wired data transfer with lightning isn't even faster than wireless anymore. Still at USB 2.0 speeds. The efficiency part is a big one imo. All iPhones using 20% more power just seems extremely wasteful to me from a 'green' company
I asked for a type C cable in my school's library about 2 weeks ago and they looked at me like I was crazy! Like, what the hell, type C works for basically all new electronic devices BUT iPhones.
Airdrop will be more important than ever. Each passing year there’s less reason to plug an iPhone to a cable. I only use cables on my iPhone 13 Pro Max only when I must. I use airdrop or cloud to transfer data and I use wireless charging to charge
The EU gave corporations push to standardise themselves years ago without forcing them into any standard! Even you mentioned it in video before. Most of corporations moved to USBC by themselves, Apple didn't and did not proposed any better alternative. So now its a law.
Just reminds me of classic Republican talking points & being ‘pro business’ at the expense of everyone else. ‘Keep the dang government outta business! It’s a free marketplace!’ ‘Oh, your child has suicidal ideation due to their body not matching their gender? WE GOTTA GET MORE GOVERNMENT LAWS TO STOP THIS’
@@pasta-and-heroin governments job is also to protect the people from monopolies. Apple is literally where it is because it destroyed competition that wasn't free market at all it's slimmy bro
@@pasta-and-heroin So true. We should let children who can't legally drink be able to permanently sterilise themselves from the genepool. Now that i think about it, that's pretty environmentally friendly.
But but, it interferes with the engineers vision of a perfect product. Jk, the perfect throw away phone and 20+ accessories that go with it for the next year and a half.
@@pepeshadilay lol sure, impossible, wonder why MagSafe technology communicates device ID via NFC? It is easy to imagine that non "certified" charging devices have limits imposed by Apple. Dunning-Kruger effect: you know the basics of how induction works, you think you know all the intricacies of how MagSafe (and Apple as a company) operates.
@@pepeshadilay It’s not impossible… the iPhone can do a wireless hand shake before it accepts power draw from the coils. This is actually exactly what the lightning port does as well. I don’t see you saying “pins are just copper, it’s impossible for Apple to make you use their cables” but they actually do license that connector because you need the microchip to do the handshake.
Not to mention iPhone wallet cases. Having my wallet and phone together and also findable is more important than using an iPhone. The wallet cases can’t use mag charging
Yes I may finally buy an android if this actually happens. Biggest problem for me is listening to music in the car, going through Bluetooth just does not sound as good as having it wired!
@@kolaveri550 airdrop cant be used for restoring/debugging, as the feature works only when the phone is on. If Apple genius bar will have to open the phone for simple troubleshooting and repair, Apple is going to punish itself. For end users it's a big bummer as they have to rely on slow magsafe charging all the time. I don't see how it is an advancement, as we will be using a big puck instead of a small pin to charge the phones. Inconveniences charging the phone in car alone is a big step back. I know there are car holders with magsafe, but those don't allow good ventilation or make the experience easy.
The problem with leaving it to the engineers is you end up with different ports...if they mandated all engineers need to agree on 1 port, that might make sense. But being that the largest portion of the market uses USB-C exclusively it makes sense for everyone to just switch.
They do and its not a mandate its called an engineering standard. Standards are what make the modern world possible. Apples ditches standards whenever they want to differentiate their products to make them seem more advanced, which from an engineer's POV is just silly. However, engineers don't sell phones, marketers do. Apple is the greatest marketing company since Phillip Morris which literally sold people death.
the biggest problem is that wireless charging actually has a wire... and an extra dock that we should carry with us. and on top of that it charges the phone more slowly. That sounds like a step backwards to me
@@CaitiffFTW all files sent do and from the iDevice will be routed through Apple (c) secured servers. ensuring no illegally downloaded entertainments hit your phone
There are USB outlets in buses, trains, metro, cafes etc. It's very convenient to carry a small wire everywhere and charge your phone whenever you need. It would be less convenient to cary a small puck.
Then they can move to wireless charging. Like all other tech, USB-C will become outdated. Standardizing it for the long term is just as bad as previous ports, because then it creates a monopoly. Instead of carrying a puck, you'll be carrying a wire with a USB-C adapter anyways. So not much would change by requiring USB-C. It would seem that the actual reason they are requiring USB-C is because they want to have a standardized system of spying on people, so that anywhere public you plug it in, they can be ensured they have access to your data. With different ports, this becomes much more difficult, especially when they want to do it without people realizing. So in order to easily exploit connections using a standardized easy to use program, they need all devices to be using the exact same type of ports.
Also imagine not being able to use the phone while charging... Every phone has wireless charging its already an added feature. Just think what's better; being able to charge wirelessly only or being able to charge wirelessly and wired both? Of course both.
@@itsyoboigucci7578 THIS, ive been with apple my whole life but if they remove the charging port I’m switching to google or Samsung How tf do u expect me to use my phone while wireless charging. Especially if the battery has degraded and loses its charge quickly it means I can’t charge it on the go
I always roll my eyes when these companies pretend to care about e-waste. If their concerns were genuine, they wouldn't insist on releasing new phones every year. At this point, the "improvements" are so minor year-to-year that it's unnecessary - people could easily go at least 2 years between phones, and that alone would give a drastic reduction in e-waste. I get myself a new phone every 5 years or so, and that's usually only because I'm effectively forced to if I want to use newer software. I don't view a phone as a fashion accessory, or even an essential item, and my life doesn't revolve around it. I'd probably still be on my HTC Desire S if I knew newer software would be usable.
Agreed. They should make them so that they're more customizable. Ie. Ability to upgrade an existing phone without having to buy a completely new phone. (storage capacity)
@@T2MARA There was a project trying to do exactly that a few years back - you may have heard of it - Phonebloks. Lots of companies showed an interest, Google got involved and created Project Ara... then in true Google fashion, they killed it after 2 years. Because why sell modules for a reasonable price, when so many people are happy to pay a fortune every year for a whole new phone that's very slightly better than the one they already have? The first thing that's needed is to kill this perception that a phone is a must-have fashion accessory that the likes of Apple and Samsung have drilled into everyone; I mean, who really _needs_ a phone that folds? 🤷♂
@@zbarba The Fairphone is a step in the right direction, but it's not on the level that Phonebloks aspired to be. Yes, you can replace components if they fail, which is great - but you can only replace like-for-like. They're now on Fairphone 4, which uses different parts from the previous versions, and several parts for those older phones are now discontinued... so you're still forced to upgrade the entire phone at some point. The (admittedly idealistic) concept behind a fully modular product like Phonebloks wasn't just that you'd be able to replace failed components with working ones, but that it would be _upgradeable_, with newer, better cameras/processors/batteries/screens etc. that fit into the same chassis - so there wouldn't be any need for a "Phonebloks 2", you'd just buy newer components as and when they were available and slot them in to the existing phone body. That said, they (Fairphone) have only released 4 phones in 9 years, which is more or less one every 2 years, and that is _definitely_ something to be commended.
Wow, Apple actually gave in, Its crazy to see that there was so much behind just this simple change. Guess we aren't there just yet technology wise to switch to a complete port less iPhone.
What is really weird about them being so resistant to this change is the iPad uses a type c connection. So they can do it easily but are choosing not to.
Not just that, they made the MacBook with only two USB-C ports YEARS before anyone else started deleting every other port. I hate apple. Never owning any more of their products.
As an android phone user myself, since the iPhone 4. Lightning is the superior choice for a phone as how much often do you have the plug and unplug to charge the devices.
I think USB-C is going to stick around for a long while, because it can be improved while still having the same physical form factor, which I think most people agree is leagues better than previous generations.
I mean we've had USB-A for more than 25 years now and it still remains as one of, if not, the most popular connector out there. With this law in place we could see the popularity of USB-C skyrocket and will continue to be used for a long time just like USB-A.
It will, but new innovative ports may come and the eu will miss out on this until they change their laws and means those port innovations will probably not come from europe
@FreezeFun I see what you're saying but I guess that's not the point. Imagine if in the '90 the EU had mandated USB A to be present on all devices. We wouldn't have seen lighting or USB C, and maybe smartphones would have to be 2cm thick in order to accomodate an USB A port. I'm not one for apple, but the argument that such a regulation stifles innovation is definitely a sound one.
It's good finally specifying a charging connector, can you imagine countries/regions didn't specify the power socket in your house and every (electricity) company did their own thing?
You peripherally touched on it, but I think the real reason we won't see a USB-C iPhone is because they wouldn't be able to charge any sort of licensing fee for a universal standard like they do with the Lightning port. On the other hand, Magsafe is still a proprietary product, so they can keep on charging manufacturers 10% for participating their special walled garden.
I agree, we can't leave it up to companies, nor can we leave it up to government, neither can be trusted to do the smartest thing for everyone. So the best is always a compromise between money driven forces and all the other interests such as the environment and forced obsolescence.
The Mr.Brownlee agrees with is not right in any sort of way "TechCompanys should decide with their own Egineers how to achieve a goal of Regulators", for me that just sound likes saying, lets bend the rules till its fits for us. A company like Apple is happily using the USB-Standard on all their Macs, but yea surely for the Environment, let's keep the lightning port and cables. It does not make sense. Its like many Companies with were new claims to be C02 neutral, without any regulation for this claims. The EU might be clunky, and sometimes not up to speed, but at least sometimes, they stop these horse poo. I just visualize people in 2024 sitting their, with there wireless chargingpads connected with a usb-c cable to charge their phones, like I had to for weeks, because my usb-c port was permanently jammed. I see all the advantages with phones, that you can't use while charging and please no internet anymore, I just want a safe connection with the Applenet, that offers me interconnected services from all over the world, while charging me for charging my phone, but give me discount if idll do that continuously over night. blaaaa for the environment.
@@klubstompers The cable that pluges into a wireless charging pad/puck would have to be USB-C, but if they make their own proprietary wireless charging standard, they can still charge licensing fees based on that. And if there is no port to charge the phone, then consumers would have no choice to use a proprietary charger which leaves iPhone users right were they started... Apple's walled garden.
The thing is, USB-C is just a plug. The underlying technology (USB) will continue to evolve but there is nothing in sight so far that's indicating that the USB-C connector will hold future iterations of the USB protocol back. USB 4 will also use the USB-C connector and so will probably USB-B 5.
Its not "just a plug". its going to be the port on every phone for the next 5-10 years. It monopolized the global market through the law of one small geographical region. Monopolized markets are always bad. bad for prices and bad for innovation. regardless of the rest.
The problem is the EU did just that. A decade ago they told the industry to create a standardized cable because, at the time, literally every phone (even by the same brand) had different cables. Everyone agreed to do so. Everyone followed through on their commitment, except 1. Thus this law was created to force compliance. This law was also created in such a way that it can update with the standards but anyone that things usbc is going to be replaced in a couple of years is crazy. USB A has existed for 30 years and is still going. USB C will suffice for charging device for many years. And don't forget, the company shouting about innovation is the one using a standard that hasn't changed in a decade. That still runs a pathetic wattage at usb2 data speeds. Lightning is about money and only money.
I was going to say exactly that. I think the idea that the government shouldn't be prescriptive when it comes to tech assumes that the industry plays in good faith, when that's rarely ever true, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Apple. The fact that Apple completely discarding wired charging is a realistic prospect - despite USB-C being a great connector type with blazing fast data transfer and charging speeds even by today standards - proves that.
i am a libertarian so i disagree with the EU law. I don't believe governments have any place in mandating technology. i'm not affected by the lightning problem because i have no Apple products and I would never buy an Apple product. I think the correct solution is for everyone who doesn't like the lightning port to just not buy it.
@@tacokoneko Many people are mandated to use Apple products, and iPhones, as part of their jobs. Besides, your viewpoint assumes every consumer is perfectly rational (in the economic sense of the word) which is not the case.
@@stevethomas3502 it's prescriptive because Apple forced their hand... not the other way around, Apple decided to NOT play ball, then they are just forced to change, the cable will change with time if it's necessary, the tech industry has enough lobies in brussels to make it happen.
Less efficent way of charging wasting both time and electricity to charge and heat up devices giving them lower lifespans as well. But don't worry apple isn't selling the brick in the box so the store you bought an brick from is actually the one affecting the environment negatively!
Imagine not buying a new phone until it breaks in four years because you have an otter box and screen cover. You can do this all day. No one need to live a comfortable life, but we all want to live them. You have to find a measure of what is a step too far and mag safe plugs is definitely not it and aren't going away. Those are on PCs and Macs. Oh sorry I was thinking about the magnetic plugs not wireless charging. It should never be used. Bad for the battery inefficient and destroys the battery life. Apple always has to invent their own name for already existing everything.
Yep. The lightning port is already way too slow to transfer a ProRes video, and they expect people to do that via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi? Or what about accessories?
I guess it depends how you use your phone. I barely ever use the port for anything-I charge and sync everything wirelessly-but I'm not trying to transfer raw high-quality video from my phone or connect it to some peripheral that only accepts a lightning connection.
The main thing I absolutely hate about wireless charging is that I can’t use my phone whilst charging because it has to be laying on a charging pad. With a cable I can use my phone however far the cable reaches
Fixed by having a wireless charger with a long cable to the plug attached to it and have it magnetically attach to the back of your phone (strong enough to be able to use). As much as I love my Apple products, that ridiculous solution will probably be called an innovation or be made by a 3rd party
My only issue with MagSafe is I need a LoveHandle loop on the back of my phone to help me hold it and that interferes with the charging puck. A lot of cases are not MagSafe compatible too. I’d love to reduce the holes in my phone, but needing the majority of the back to be basically clear-ish is asking a lot imo
Given USB-C is a connector standard I doubt very much it will fall out of date in the next few years. They've already updated the specification multiple times including just recently last month. The USB type A is still kicking after 26 years, it isn't as slow as it was back then because it was improved while keeping backward compatibility. Apple will do what it does but I suspect the inconveniences of wireless might bite them more than when they went that route for the headphone jack.
Exactly, wireless always constitutes slower data transfer speeds, less reliable data transfer, it's more inefficient for charging, it's more expensive, and it in general just isn't that great. Plus, slapping a massive magnetic puck on the back of your phone is just the same if not worse then a cable and connector, because now you have this giant round thing on the back of your phone. Even with magnets aligning it, it's still a pain in the ass and makes things difficult. Apple really should just suck it up and make the USB-C iPhone everyone wants.
@@owmylehg7811agree wireless charging is ok while you thow your phone and dont use it (in car, or at night) and thats it.. 200w charging phone in 10min - that is the future.
Yeah, he and other youtubers are talking how "usb-c could be too slow in the future" while talking about lightning port that has usb 2.0 speed. Somehow they dont focus their reviews of the new iphone on the fact that it has painfuly slow port, because phones dont need that much speed. If you can live with usb 2.0 in phone now, you will for sure be happy with usb-c in 10 years.
I think what he means is before another big leap. Like how big of a leap it was going from micro to usb-c. Something that changes the form of the port, itself. Sure, USB A has went strong as a standard port, but the other end has commonly changed. Mini USB was made in 2000 That became out of date when micro USB hit the stage in 2007. The Type C replaced that one when it was officially finalized in 2014. (Of course devices still come out with these older ports because they might not be technologically advanced enough to require a type-c, but a law like this is meant to change that) As you can see, there's a trend. The last two leaps have been 7 years apart. Obviously there is the law of diminishing returns, so it might take longer and longer for big leaps to be made, but it has been 8 years since the standard of USB c was finalized. By the end of 2024, it'll be 10 years. Meaning if the trend continues, we will be overdue for another big leap, so it could happen any day from that point forward
great video, small comment: First time the EU voted on charging cable standards they did leave it up to the engineers. Look where that got us, all other phone manufacturers agreed on a standard, micro USB. That later became USB-C. Apple? Not so much. So yes, in principle I agree government shouldn't be that strict, but Apple themselves forced their hand here.
Also, the research shows that at the moment USB-C is just a form factor. With that same form factor and different controller configurations we can have almost endless results. Not saying that USB-C form factor is perfect and that it doesn't need changing, but performance creep is not a fear anymore. Look at thunderbolt, USB-4 and all the other USB-C standards...
My biggest problem with iPhone getting rid of the charge port entirely is that every phone is going to copy them after a few years just like they did with the Headphone jack and expandable storage. I REALLY do not want to lose my USB-C port on my phone in like 2027 or something
Power banks now won’t work. So any situation that was handy means your gonna have a dead phone battery. At the bar, well the bartender can’t help you and just let you plug in etc… wireless charging is cool as an option but not if it’s the only option.
One thing I think isn't being mentioned nearly often enough about this law is that it also mandates USB-C on laptops from 2026, which I think could be even more important than iphones. Laptop manufacturers are still treating USB-C charging as a premium feature for high-end laptops only when it's meant to be the new standard for all of them. I, for one, can't wait for the death of shitty barrel chargers. Maybe this would have been solved by 2026 regardless, but they've bungled this so far so who knows if they'd voluntarily fix it any time soon.
Yeah the barrel chargers are dogshit, but the Macbooks Magsafe charger is the GOAT, so for me personally, I REALLY hope they don't need to switch back to USB-C for the Macbooks. When they first stopped using magsafe it really sucked, and now that it's come back it's so much better in everyway.
@@therealjp1116 the law does not prohibit apple from implementing magsafe though. The law only required devices that can be charged via wires to be able to use USB-C. In macbooks, the thunderbolt port is USB PD compatible and you can use usb-c to charge your macbook if you don't want to use the mag safe. So with that, it means apple already complied even before it was enforced. However for those other device manufacturers like hp, dell that does include usb-c on their laptops but does not support PD, this law will enforce it.
Biggest problem with wireless charging: I often hold my phone in my hand while it is charging via cord, especially at night when the phone is depleted. Trying to do this with MagSafe sounds maddening.
it is absolutely possible though. The magsafe "magnet" thing is still at the end of a chord, and they can make the chord longer to accomodate people that want to be able to use the phone while it is charging. I don't believe they are going to exculsively magsafe, but for other reasons than this. This one seems like not a real issue.
@@mutedmutiny9542 oh I see what you mean, a little mag connected to the cord on the wall that magnets to the middle of the back of your phone. Would look like a hockey puck ig
@@Jeremy-bt8lo yeah they make them like that already, I have a few because I think they come with the Apple Watch, but they work for any other MagSafe devices too.
The biggest problem is that it wastes more energy. At the current stage it uses about 75% more energy. 1MM phones that can charge at 15W/h would use 11.25 GW/h more per charge. Just so you don't have to plug it in?
@@mutedmutiny9542 I don’t have a model with MagSafe yet, but the magnet on the watch charger is so weak that if I’m holding the watch I have to press the magnet to the back to keep it from falling off while I’m handling it. Maybe the MagSafe is a stronger bond, though
Anyone else coming here to remember how Marques failed his prediction? 😂 I completely get that Apple doesnt normally bend to rules like that. Thats why I laughed so hard in my kitchen when they started to explain how good of an idea their new usb C port is 😂 That is definetely Apple being Apple
EU has been fairly good about regular reviews of laws, as in if they write into the law that they will revisit it every x years they actually do that. It’s also quite a different process from the US where laws seem to very much be forever laws that nobody actually touches ever again.
You have to consider the opportunity cost though. Is it worth it to constantly go back and re-visit laws instead of considering new ones? And how many laws can you plan to re-visit before it becomes too much?
Curious as to the process you expect the next generation cable to be designed by. EU teams up with tech or tech collaborates? Hint: neither are happening. Five years will pass and nothing new will come out because there will be no collaboration.
Actually they gave the phone manufactorers time to unify their ports. However, since the outcome was apple:"great you can all use our outdated port", everyone else:"wtf - use USB-C", the EU decided its gonna be USB-C.
Yes the EU just forces apple to comply on what all other manufacturers allready agree on. But i think there is a different outcome possible. While compliing with usb charging they could not use Usb functions like data transfer. And instead use Altmode to impliment bs like lighning over Usbc for "security" reasons and continue to skim profits of 3rd party manufacturers. Apple is just evil and needs to go down sooner rather than later.
That’s still not a useful approach. The law could have been worded differently as to require specific standards that would no be met by outdated ports or use some kind of majority system. Just prescribing one port for what is realistically going to be decades is dumb
@@KP3droflxpEU and the US are a lot different. EU officials actually listen to professionals, so if there's a new and better standard they'll implement it fast. ' The reason they specify USB C is that legal terms have to be specific so they can be enforced effectively and to prevent loopholes.
We used to have different electrical outlets in our homes before they were standardized. All other electronics manufacturers decided to use USB-C, Apple refused and forced the EUs hand
Patently untrue. Currently, every country has its own standard. There are certain things that hold true in multiple countries, like Britain's 3-prong outlet being adopted in other countries -- they use the same deal in Singapore. However, my country uses the two-prong flat pin, and I've still seen electronics and appliances that have the 2 rounded pins. There are also 3-pins, both with flat and rounded pins. Some flat pins are angled. This is the reason why you have to buy _universal_ outlets which can accommodate everything --- well, at least _almost_ everything but the UK standard, which requires its own outlet.
Is it just me or does yourself and so many other here lack common sense…….. My iPhone charger is USB-C with a lightning port adapter, been like this for years…….
@@tears2040 are you talking about an iPad or some other device? Cause currently there are no unmodified iphones with usb c connector, or are you being sarcastic?
3:58 - So, everything has been changed to USB-C. I truly believe they will always, and I mean ALWAYS have a port available as a backup. The AirPods case was also changed to USB-C.
I'm sure you don't remember this but when I graduated in 01', I remember that just about every single cell phone had its own unique changing plug. I think it went by manufacturer, but even then some same brands had a different plug. I thought it was the greatest thing when the first mini USB plug started showing up on a lot of new products.
The USA car charging dock market is in complete Chaos because their companies want propriotary plugs, in Europe the Government legislated for the use of standardised ports... hence why the USA has a problem with charging stations and Europe doesnt
Type C has to be the "unified charging standard" because it is the most common standard we have now. Its very hard to enforce laws that don't have specific details defined, because anyone could claim their proprietary cable is the standard.
Actually i heard from his podcast That Eu told apple and gave them new standards to comply to 🙄 but they didnt so they choose usb c so they can force them into complying So i dont know why Apple is acting like the victim here
The inefficiency of wireless charging is an interesting topic Imo. Sure, not meaningful to one person. But moving towards every phone wasting a little more energy across the world. I feel like there is a potential for it to ad up.
Yes, this is my feeling on wireless charging. Phones make the average person use less energy in the fact that they are designed to be efficient to last a long time on batteries. Reducing the efficiency by forcing wireless charging would be a bad deal.
The EU directive already has a measure for future ports, they will change in conjunction with the USB implementers forum, of which basically all tech companies (apple included) are a part.
@@firefly323 bogus. The fact is that monopolization kills innovation. It kills price competition and hurts consumers. Nothing can get around that fact. Consumers were better off with competing standards. If not for the competition we'd have USB-A or Micro-USB as the legal standard.
@@ChrisG1392 problem is Apple never had a competing standard. Absolutely nothing changed since the forst introduction of the lightining port and is exactly the very monopoly you hate, idiot. The physical port may be ubiquitous but speeds and the things that count change, same as the HDMI standard. Everybody benefits from this providing you know the speed and application of your cables, which quite honestly isn't hard and needs a bit of reform itself.
Hi there, great video as always! But, if I may, I think you forgot one detail, again pushed by the EU: repairability. If your iPhone dies, or any other smartphone, basically every diagnostic test is made by attaching the device to the testing machine, or computer, or whatever...by cable. Going "full wireless" or "cable-less" would go against (part of) the EU laws of repairability...
How do you diagnose a smartwatch then? You connect it to another device via wifi. Or if not then it's dead. But the point is that there are already many devices that are already portless and are not against the EU law.
Our apps would take too long to run wireless only. So we should get either a very robust wireless solution or move to USB-C, which is a very welcome change. Not to mention high res videos, take forever to transfer so we need higher speeds!
@@azero79 if you own a cellular phone, there are apps on that phone. Apps don't magically appear out of thin air, people have to make them. Did you really not know that?
In regards to Apple going port less … I genuinely hope they *don’t* . I use Bluetooth, and I use wireless charging 99% of the time … but I also use a wired audio connection regularly enough that a completely port-less device would be problematic.
@@StinkyCatFarts No … I am an Apple user, and this change would mean them abandoning a segment of their user base. Would just mean that I would be forced to buy something different … But then, probably by that point, other brands will have followed Apples lead (like they typically always do in this regard), so …
The problem with wireless charging is that it heats up the phone REALLY bad, even if I close all my apps, turn down my brightness, and put my phone in low power mode while it’s charging. The technology just isn’t there yet to justify going completely portless, plus I prefer having a faster wired charger anyways
It gets even worse when using a protective case (necessitated by the fact phone companies insist on using either luxury aluminium that scratches easily or luxury glass that breaks when it falls).
Wireless charging is planned obsolescence. Nothing wears out a devices battery as much as heat. It's also wildly inefficient compared to wired charging.
I definitely like this push, I’ve kinda hated lightning since they’ve started transitioning to usb C. Now they’re being forced to follow through on their wireless transition
@@gotworc it’s not trash, it only breaks because the wire material is cheap af, braided lightning connectors last forever. It’s only slow because apple uses a lower chip controller connector instead of it when it comes to data transfers, that’s why it’s limited at USB 2.0 I believe, previous iPad pros with lightning cables had far faster speeds at 3.0 and up.
As if it's not embarrassing enough to charge a phone via cable in the public, now we'll get to see these clunky, wireless pucks being thrown into the mix for extra shame.
A couple of others have already raised this in comment chains, but the big obstacle I see here is CarPlay-they've made a huge push in this regard and at this point the vast majority of new/late model cars have CarPlay support, but only via wired connection in most stock head units and budget to mid-range aftermarket alternatives. Given how few people actually upgrade their car's stock media systems and the age of the average car, going wireless without a CarPlay solution would be a tough sell.
Interestingly enough Apple has already patentend a magsafe charger to also have data transfer, so then you'll just plug in the mag safe connector to your car.
Car manufacturers are already expanding car play's usage to the instrument panel. I'd imagine going forward that car play won't just be an add-on, but a core component of the vehicle which would off load some of the data for phones.
Big issue is i have a wireless carplay head unit but i can't use it because my new car (along with many new cars) has a weird oversized media centre with wired carplay and it won't fit. Car manufacturers will have to release new models with wireless support or go back to using a standard size unit.
I have wireless charger for the past 3 years for android and 90% of the time I use wired. It is just efficient, one cable for all my devices when I travel. Apple just doesn't want to give that flexibility it seems :)
@@Adolar andriod already have wireless, it's just any phone aren't still there to go portless due to inefficiency of wireless charging, it loses most energy to heat and slow charging too, also data transfer speed is a other thing. Idk how they gonna get better speeds without wired but hey we gotta wait and see.
@@Adolar many android phone has wireless charging but the brand also knew they don't use it so many chose not to include it to maybe put something else in plus wireless charging = u need to buy extra wireless charging pad android phone don't even include it in the box
What's great about using USB-C is that as long as the next changes don't change the connector, a USB 4 or 5 or 6 cable and charger will be backwards compatible.
Exactly. USB-C has already evolved since its inception. By making that connector the standard, it ensures that progress is directed towards it, rather than dispersed across a bunch of proprietary connectors, just for the sake of locking people to their thing. There really should be far more regulated standardisation like this, but it is tricky to know when to bring it in. Electric vehicle charging could have really done with it early on yet still doesn't really have it (though thankfully there's not been too much diversification). It's not difficult to make a forward looking standard with redundancy now that can be used in the future. Eventually things will need a clean-sheet redesign as it becomes too difficult to fit the latest stuff into decades old form factors, but that can be worked on for several years with industry groups to bring it about.
Yup, the new thunderbolt protocol will use the same USB-C connector and get double the speed of the protocol that came before it. I think MKBHD misses this point. And realistically the transfer speeds of new thunderbolt standards are way higher than anyone is going to need for consumer gadgets anytime soon. Maybe one day data transfers will be so intensive that USB-C connectors won’t cut it, but that day isn’t any time soon. Standardizing on one connector for consumer gadgets is a great thing
@@ChrispyNut in Europe there is also a unified standard for electric car charging connectors. This means that any electric car can use any charging station
What I think people always overlook is the fact, that wireless charging is also wired, only the place where you put your charger changes to the back of the Phone. In my opinion the advantages are marginal...
Yup, exactly. It's not really wireless at all. You still have to connect your phone to the end of a wire. Really, it's just a new type of port/connector. Just, it's a lot slower and larger than a USB-C connector.
I agree with letting the industry figure out a unified solution to charge port standards, but that already happened. EU had such a law in place for a decade, but since the industry didn't manage to unify the standard by itself, EU went ahead and made it explicit on what the standard should be. Great video as always, but I wish you added this history from the EU side.
Actually, the industry managed this just fine. Well, most of the industry at least. Except for Apple. The EU stance has been (since 2009!) that they would prefer an industry driven solution over a prescriptive law and that they would only write that law if that didn't happen. Apple is the main reason this became law in the first place...
@@foobar8894 This, it's even weirder that Apple would complain and give "it would increase e-waste" as an excuse, considering they currently have a mismatch of ports across their devices with MacBooks and iPads adopting USB-C and Thunderbolt while iPhones and AirPods are still stuck with Lightning, forcing you to have two types of cables with you if you want to travel and charge.
@@G1NZOU Especially when 5 years ago they release a macbook pro that ONLY has thunderbolt type C ports, when type A was still an everyday use for almost everyone, talk about creating e-waste. Everyone was forced to buy dongle for everything they needed to plug in. And great... I'm now happy they pushed everyone to USB-C and thunderbolt on USB-C, because it is superior. But then they spout this hypocritical nonsense about changing the port would create too much e-waste, blah, blah. The first year they take away the type A charging block in the box, they also start including a type C to lighting? WTF? I can charge everything I own with one cable except the iphone, and the airpods. I have to keep buying special cables just for them (because BTW apple lighting cables have a pretty short lifespan, anyone have an apple branded cable that isn't frayed at the strain relief) They can do what they want, but I am absolutely sick of hearing the e-waste argument.
@@jeffmattheson yeah, it's backwards as hell. I really like being able to take my USB-C phone charger and charge both my phone and my Bose headphones, it just makes sense.
One issue with wireless charging is the inefficiency. I'd be interested to see if it's worse environmentally through more unnecessary energy use. It's also a lot slower. Plus, it heats the device up which probably degrades components faster.
Yeah, another problem is Apple leads the industry for some reason. Samsung make fun of them, and then do the same thing in a year or two. With 4 billion active smartphone users charging their phones every day, 40% efficiency wireless vs 95% efficiency gallium nitride chargers is going to have an insane environmental impact. Wireless charging encourages not using a case which is going to increase replacements. I'm pretty sure this is intentional, apple wants to do this because it will increase their bottom line. Phones will last a year before the battery goes caput lol
@@jimj2683 WTF are you talking about? there are on avg 1+billion iPhone, if each of them takes 15w for wireless but its only 40% efficient that means you are pulling an extra 22.5W overtop of what a cable would pull (37.5W from the wall). that is 22,500 MW of extra power that needs to be generated. if it takes 2 hours to charge the phone that is 45GWh per day extra, this is 1/4 of the entirety of Canada's power grid. Zero effect on the environment? you clown, where is your power coming from?
@@jimj2683 look up transfer efficiency on the wireless power consortium. It is not 0.(however many zeroes)1%. You're speaking out of your expertise. The MagSafe isn't two free coils with vacuum or ferromagnetic material in-between. There is bound to be loss due to misalignments and basically whatever material the iPhone and charger is made of. Neither is it significantly convenient as compared to walking around a room while having your device charging from air waves. You simply do not care. That doesn't mean others shouldn't. Edit: It is also not negligible on global environment scales. Single use plastics were negligible in the past and way more convenient, as a species, shouldn't we have learnt our lesson? Real world efficiency of wireless charging is not just slightly more inefficient than wired charging. It is significantly more inefficient than wired charging.
The thing with a portless iPhone is that the port doesn’t just function as a charging port. You can use it to connect adapters that allow for card reader, thumb drive and usb mic connections, to name only a few use cases. While the market for adapter users might sound small, I see each of these benefitting budget-minded podcasters, video bloggers and micro-bloggers (TikTok, IG), so it’s certainly something they should consider. If they came up with a wireless port adapter to replace these older adapters, that would be a brilliant solution.
I know a lot of devices already use wi-fi for transfer. Printers, cameras, etc, so that's definitely one way. I for one have a Canon camera, and while I use USB-C to take photos from the camera to Mac, if I'm on my phone (Android), I use an app to connect to the camera, and can use it as a remote, or transfer files. And while printers still use wifi, it's a bit different. With a printer (at least ones I've used), you connect it to the same network as the computer or phone (like your home wi-fi, or office network), and it finds the devices on your network, where cameras create a wi-fi signal that you find in your settings, and then connect to it as if it were your network. The main drawback is that you can't use wi-fi for internet if you're using it for file transfer, but most of us have big enough data plans that it doesn't matter. I could see a mic being an issue as wireless charging does make a hum that could get in the way, but most bluetooth headsets and speakers have mics built in, so that might be the way to go.
I shoot with my DSLR and use a card reader adapater to transfer photos to my phone right on location quickly. Don’t want to see a world where I can’t do that.
This has been said for a long time anyway. When they announced this possibility years ago, even I said they were more likely to go wireless than usbC and everyone said it was not possible lol
I agree. It shouldn't be "you have to use USB-C" but should instead "you have to use the industry standard connectors and protocols" because - as you briefly mentioned - industry standards change.
USB literally means Universal Serial Bus, so the EU regulations are more pointed in the direction of getting tech companies to use the port/cable that is designed to be a standard solution to all electronics. The "C" part of "USB C" in the regulations is just there because currently USB C is the latest version of said standardized technology. Obviously the regulations will evolve when technology evolves, so read the regulations like this: we want all technology to have the SAME port/charger. That's a clear win imo and will definitely have larger impact on sustainability then Apples ungrounded claims.
They are just saying that to dissuade people, they could have switched to USB C years ago. They didn't want to switch because of MFI certification. They claimed it would create a lot of ewaste, but that e-waste wouldn't exist if they simply switched earlier.
this isn't just about charging, it affects anything that needs to plug into the port, from external batteries to docks and accessories, all of which can be made multiplatform with relative ease if there is just one physical interface type to deal with. this way you can use your wired headphones on both your ipad and your iphone without the need for adapters and dongles, you only need one cable to charge both your macbook and your iphone and wireless keyboard and mouse.
My car. I will need to buy a new car in order to use Bluetooth CarPlay. My car is a mid-tier 2021 model and I can only use CarPlay with a Lightning cable. Given the choice of buying an car and buying a new phone, I won't lose any sleep over the decision.
@@mihirojha4475 Hi, Mihir. It has USB-A and I use a USB-A to Lightning cable. My car will not do wireless CarPlay, so if my phone has no cable ports, I won't be able to use it with my car's display.
@@eshafto ohh, okay. Yeah, even my dad's car (which is now 10 years old) has the USB A port, which is great as it's still a relevant port. Thank you for clarifying!
The problem Iv always had with wireless is that its the exact same as wired. you still have a wire coming from the wall ito the phone, only now you have to make sure not to accidently bump the phone when its charging. Its just not better in anyway IMO....
The advantage of wireless is being able to plonk your device down in vaguely the right spot on a surface without also having to specifically plug it in - a *very* small advantage to be sure, and also doesn't really apply to the standard MagSafe charger where you've got a hockey puck stuck to the phone hanging loose just like a normal cable, but it is technically there.
Exactly, wireless charging is utterly useless. It still uses a wire, has slow charging, and can't transfer data at any viable speed. No idea why people are so down for it. Baffles me how people will give up all the benefits just to save 1 calorie of effort by not having to plug in the wire
USB Type-C only defines the physical layer. The protocols used are already different and confusing. Some USB 2, some USB 3, USB 3,1, USB 3.2, USB 4. Unless the law is specific about it, Apple could make a device that has a USB Type-C port that would allow for charging, but devise an entirely different protocol for data transfer, which would mean most everyone would still want the Apple brand cable that connects to other devices. Also - do the MagSafe connections support data transfer? I don't think I've ever tried to connect one. And the speeds? Since the only port left on the iPhone is the charging port, removing it would be a big problem for the many people who use that port to connect to other external devices (for audio out, or midi in, etc.)
They’ve moved the base iPad over to USB-C now. I get Magsafe is a thing, but if they’re going through the effort to move everything else to it, they may already have the customers who already own a USB-C cable because of their iPads
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense for them to keep just the iphone on its own connector when literally everything else uses usb-c, even their other things.
@@thekwoka4707 the iphone is the core of their ecosystem, keeping iphone on a proprietary charging system makes it so that you still need to rely on apple for charging the core of your apple devices which is smart from a business perspective
I mean, if apple is going to do some dumb shit EU is gonna sanction them very hard so i doubt it, EU is not Usa, you don't get away with shit like that if you are a big corp just because you found a way to bypass the ruling, you are gonna get sanctioned anyway .
The moment you said apple wants to remove the charging port completely I had to look up if it waste power. The result I found may be a little dated, but we lose 20-30%. Also most of the power lost is converted to heat which can further slow down charging as it will slow down to protect the battery from heat dmg.
@Jedaro a lot of apple users are "business" kokain junkies with not much time (except showing of their iphone) at hand, so only being able to charge it wirelessly slow or not even at all ("can I charge my iphone here? no?") is going to hit them:D
@Jedaro well I do speak of experience here too (for all of it:D) I provide lightning chargers on the table/on the seats of our weekly hold em gathering (as much as I hate that already, but when I installed them I wasn't aware of the BS statement lightning is gonna become...) but I for sure won't provide whatever wireless BS apple is cooking these days just because they decided to avoid the ALREADY INSTALLED charger EVERONE ELSE ON THE FIN PLANET BUT THEM uses. god, how much I disrespect this company these days.
The only problem I see with this "Apple will leapfrog right over USB-C to a portless form factor" is that they didn't seem to have a problem with putting USB-C ports in their latest iPads. If I have to wait for a wireless trickle-charge to bring me back up to a decent battery level, I may not be able to get through a whole day of teaching.
Simple solution. They’ll just come up with a new MagSafe power bank that charges faster & carries a bigger capacity 😂 they’ll be able to stick to portless AND make more money
I liked the Lightning port when it came out as it was robust and could be plugged in in any direction. But today it's just annoying how many different cables you have to pack when you travel. Yes the USB-C port will at some point also be old and not up to the latest features - but at least its a sturdy connector, can be plugged in in both directions, can be used to charge any phone, any tablet, powerbanks, laptops, headphone etc. so I need one (!) cable in my luggage, backpack, car, desk or similar. By adding wireless charging we are at the same situation again that I have just another cable I have to buy and lying around everywhere (or take everywhere). So wireless charging is an additional thing which is nice but still annoying in day to day use in combination with other devices which need to be charged.
@@Utubesuperstari dont think i ever had seen the usb c itself broken (And i use really old phone). The cable itself on the other hand usualy made out of guano i saw being broken a lot.
@Noah Raines they make the cable side of the connector weaker. It's easier and cheaper to replace a cable than to open up the phone and change that connector.
I love how MKBHD thinks that apple is going to "give you the Mag safe charging puck in the box" They're probably going to give you nothing but the phone in the box and you have to buy the magsafe puck separately
It depends on how much they want to push MagSafe. The added cost to them for the industry to accept MagSafe as the new standard (which they have patented and get a cut off MagSafe certified products like the lightning cable I am sure) may be a net benefit
Whilst preaching about the environment... but yeah it's why I've been unsubscribed from him for a while now he just seems to shill apple and either naively or willfully ignores reality
Lightning cables have exactly one advantage over USB-C when it comes to phones: it's much much easier to clean lint out of a lightning port with a pick without damaging the connector. IMHO that's why the iPad uses USB-C while the iPhone uses lightning. You don't normally get pocket lint in the port of your iPad.
USB-C will be a mainstay for many, many years. It's a dynamic standard that's near the limits of what's possible for a compact connector while still remaining durable enough to withstand abuse. USB Type A has sufficed for nearly 20 years before C came along, and that was during a time where innovation was moving much quicker and consumer demands where higher for such an interface. The USB-C port already far exceeds the needs of any consumer smartphone and likely will for the foreseeable future. The only viable reason I can't think of USB-C being the optimal connector for small consumer electronics for the next 20 years is A. size and cost of implementation on extremely cheap products and B. durability. A barrel jack plug will always outlast a USB-C plug.
the great thing with barrel jacks being more durable is, you can have both! i am writing this on a dell rugged laptop that can be charged with usb c for convenience on the go so that i only need one charger and with a replaceable barrel jack at home and at work where i can just have chargers ready. and of cause you can and apple actually at least used to in macbooks make usb c plugs replacable to prevent that from becoming an issue.
It’s just kinda ridiculous that we’ve gone from companies actively wanting and trying to improve their technology, to having governments literally force companies to make “improvements” they should’ve made a long time ago.
What? It was about taking more money the whole time. It just got harder to improve things so they found ways to make more without improving anything. Like Adobe or Autodesk.
We are talking about Apple here... They genuinely have held tech back for decades now. I remember them patenting rectangles with curved edges, then suing other tech companies that made products shaped like rectangles with curved edges... Or how about when they stole Qualcomm's chipset tech, gave it to intel, had them produce a new chip from it, then patented it... yeah, that happened.
@@chumbaman777 I agree that the patenting and other moves have been evil/annoying/stupid. But I don‘t see how they have held tech back for decades. First of all they have only been relevant for ~2 decades. (Since the iPod) And only been market dominating for ~15 years. During which we have seen an insane boom in technology unlike anything before. Doesn‘t look like holding back, to me.
@@leonmuller8475 1. 2 decades is still decades 2. Before that they were relevant with the iPod they had Macintosh computers. 3. Macintosh (and Windows) as an idea was stolen from Xerox who had already built a gui and everything for their system before the ideas for Windows and Macintosh became a thing. Xerox was showing off this idea and looking for investors when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs stole it. 4. A boom in the market doesn't mean that the technology itself has taken a step forward. 5. I would call what Apple does masked innovation. They do not invent. Basically they take something someone else invented and change the color of the gui etc etc. 6. I want you to list technological breakthroughs that they have made in the past 20 years. Then tell me if these breakthroughs are worth billions of dollars or have really done much for the tech industry as a whole. Off the top of my head I can think of 3.
@@cabobs2000 Well yes, but Apple's entire brand IS innovation. That's supposed to be one of their core values. So their "innovation" (really just re-branding already-existing technology) stagnating is huge for apple and their brand. The reason people feel dissapointed and lied to is that this company promised to make their products better and more innovative. In reality, Apple consumers are faced with being ignored when it comes to implementing features they want, overpriced products that are nowhere near cutting-edge in concept or performance, an ecosystem that makes it incredibly difficult to transition out of Apple and a company that ACTIVELY makes it impossible to fix any issues on their hardware. You're right, Apple has had these issues fromt he beggining, but they're becoming more apparent now as the "wow factor" wears off from having something Apple like 20 years ago. It's like when you start noticing all the faults in you girlfriend after the honeymoon phase wears off and they start to become real issues
My ideal for the successor to USB Type C would be a new type that has the same plug but new specs. So it could be backwards compatible with all the Type C stuff we have already but still bring new tech. And also, was there really a reason for apple to use that old wide connector on the iPhones instead of going micro USB? My guess would be that Apple is afraid of people jailbreaking the devices easier if equipped with USB Type C too..
Thats what the EU law states, "USB type C" describes the shape of the port only. There are already multiple variations and improvements to the USB type C standard which started out in 2014 as USB 3.1 capable of 5 Gbit/s, its since gone through multiple revisions to the USB 4 standard which can go up to 40Gbit/s and they're all backwards compatible. Current charging over USB C is up to 100W. Which variant of the standard is implemented is down to how the individual companies configure their products.
my guess is apple sells lighting port lisence to people who wanna build a lighting compatible device and apple dont want to lose that money (you dont need micro usb to jailbrake an iphone)
actually the old large charging port on iphones was so much better than micro usb in terms of just about everything other than size so yes there was a reason for it lol. i think ur forgetting just how bad micro usb was.
The interesting part of this whole thing to me is that Apple already includes USB-C in the iPad already. One of their highest selling products behind their smartphones. I don’t see the transition to wireless charging happening within the next two years so essentially they’re forced to comply
Apple would rather fuck loyal customers over than be on the same level as other companies. Thats just an unfortunate reality..... Two years is more than enough time for them to say fuck it and switch it up much like phones coming with no headjack so that a year later they could sell the fuck out of air pods. They claim this shit is innovation but its bullshit marketing to sell even more of their own products. NOT TO MENTION the MFI thing he was talking about that they made millions off of because of the exclusivity. If you wanted to make money you had no choice but to fork some over to apple. They would not willing give something like that up.
This confuses me too, however I think iPad being USB-C is mainly for compatibility to their Mac series of laptops and desktop systems. If you've got a Mac Pro 5K and want to use your iPad Pro as a 2nd screen, 1 cable connects it and also charges the iPad at the same time. Of the people that own iPhones, only a select percentage own an iPad and a smaller percentage of that also own a Mac. Most iPhone people I know use Windows.
@@dylandajhharwood5566 Nah, I guess 20-25% of iphone people use MacOS. The rest use windows .. Maybe you aren't from America or never seen the scenario there..(ofcourse windows is better). Funny how people keep whinning about ecosystem when Samsung is the best phone for compatibility with windows due to Samsung-microsoft partnership.. And the latest cross platform quick share which allows them to get quick share like speed (or nearby share and air drop like speed) for cross platform file transfer..even Samsung to iOS..
@@dylandajhharwood5566 USB-C also allows creators to hook up external hard drives to the iPad, and I don't think anyone needs that on an iPhone. lol. I'm kind of peeved that I'll have to toss all of my lightning chargers. Why not just leave the iPhone the way it is? I just find the whole thing ironic, complaining that people have to get new chargers, but then forcing people to get new chargers.
@@k4rim799 You mean a company with common sense, I've never seen or heard of a company worth anything that doesn't make their lawyers + 10 others check speechs well in advance
I like the idea of making a standard port, like has anyone been in a situation where you forgot your charger and your friends are using android... the pain
I wanted to say "What about troubleshooting over the cable when the device won't turn on?" , and it just popped to me, Apple will probably make you bring the phone in for absolutely every little reason and enjoy service costs and insurance money, they could simply connect to the phone directly through the motherboard, which would cancel your warranty if you did it yourself.
I’ve been contemplating switching to android for years now, but if they did this, I would absolutely bite the bullet and go for it. I have so many apps and devices (typically for audio) that require wired connections that it would actually be a downgrade.
@@whoknows4122 the hell you on about? I've used samsungs since the Galaxy S4 (S4, Note 7, S7, S9+, S22 Ultra), and not had any notable lag issue with any of them
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding how wireless charging works, but why is it even a thing? When charging wireless, you'd have to put your phone on one of these docks and then leave it there. With cable charging, you just plug it into the wall and you're still free to move it around, put it on your desk next to you or lay on your bed watching netflix and stuff. And yeah, you could hold the dock + phone in your hands, but at this point you could just use a cable as well. Even if you don't have access to a wall plug: It's called a power bank and it's been around for ages.
I remember a time where I had tons of different charging cables. There where the old barrel plugs from Nokia, the weird ones from Sony-Ericsson, another special one from Alcatel, etc. and at some point Nokia introduced a new style of connector. It was messy and there was a lot of e-waste. Back then, the EU had plans to reduce e-waste, so they talked to the industry and told them to all agree on a common connector type, which didn't really work of course until the EU told them, that if they don't agree on a standard on their own, they will pass legislation which will force them to do so. That helped and all manufacturers agreed on using the same style of charger for their phones, USB micro B. But that was only limited to smartphones, tablet sometimes still used proprietary charging ports and a lot of other electronic devices as well. Some at least used USB mini B receptacles but I have seen some odd ones which where definitely USB but which I can't even recognize. But the big elephant in the room was Apple. They persistently refused to align with the other manufacturers and baked their own cake. While they always talked about technical limitations and how they couldn't charge their phones as quickly if they hadn't used their proprietary lightning connector, about how the data transfer rate would be lower and how they wouldn't be able to make their devices as thin, other manufacturers have proven that they can to all those things. As lightning is proprietary with the patents and designs owned by Apple, they could exercise some level of control on accessories. They could ask for license fees and when that didn't work they introduced their mfi certification program. So they have a big financial interest in sticking to their own connector instead of switching to the open standard USB type C connectors. And I think that's the main reason for their reluctance to switch to it. One of the arguments Apple still brings up against USB-C is that it will cause a lot of e-waste if all of their customers need to switch to new peripherals now. But that happened already when they switched from their old 30-pin dock connector towards the lightning one. They never complained about e-waste back then. And as you mentioned in your video, lightning is quite old and is becoming more and more oitdated. So if it weren't for the EU, I wouldn't have been surprised for Apple to introduce a new proprietary standard in the future. Even as a non-Apple user I'm looking forward to this new regulation as it will also affect other areas. My next wireless earbuds will be chargeable via USB-C, so no need to carry an extra USB micro B cable just for them. I will be able to attach the Logitech unifying receiver dongles to my smartphone without issues. And I'm already enjoying that I can charge my laptop and my phone with the same charger.
Its even funnier that they say "going USB-C will produce a lot of e-waste", like come on, isnt going portless do the same thing? People upgrading from 11-14 will have to throw away the lightning cables, which is guess what? E-waste. I love how hypocritical they are. It's e-waste if it hurts their revenues. It's innovation if it adds to their revenue sources.
USB B (micro and then mini) technically was enforced by Android, aka Google. There was nothing mandatory about chargers. Obviously even now, all of this could have been avoided by enforcing smartphone recycling: you get a new one, if you hand in the old one. As well as the charger! Give the old one,get a new one! Also, no tablets at that time, only some failed attempts from Microsoft. Moreover, YES until some years ago, USB C had limitations that lightning could easily overcome. It's a silly attempt from EU, that once again focusing on the problem and not the solution.
Exactly, the EU already gave phone companies a chance to figure out a standard amongst themselves and Apple didn't play ball. The EU is only mandating because Apple gave them no other choice.
This was the logical next step and the world will be better off for it. The latest USB specifications (USB4) support 240W (48V @ 5A) for charging and 120Gbit/s for data transfer. That's more than enough juice to power a gaming laptop and much faster speed than any consumer broadband connection in the developed world. The universal connector will eliminate the need to have a different cable for every device, and best of all... it's backwards compatible which means a newer cable will always work with an older device and vice versa. This will lead to some confusion in the short term, but people will adapt. Newer standards and better naming conventions will continue to improve USB for decades to come. Apple is just upset because they're gonna lose out on some millions, but they need to suck it up and get aboard with the program. E-waste is a massive problem worldwide.
Apple is SURRRE one to talk about e-waste, considering that: A. They do less about it compared to other tech companies, actually, they just brag about what they do (which half the time saves THEM money, cough cough charger in box) way dispositionately more. Their ad budget is probably destroying the planet more than they are helping it lmao B. Their accessories and cables are literally designed with maximum planned obsolescence in mind. Their cables are well known to dicintigrate into dust after a few years, and their accessories are all made to die, and not have replaceable batteries. It doesn't have to be like this. Some wireless buds ex. Sony's, and MOST Bluetooth headphones except for Apple's overpriced and overrated tin cans, are designed to have replaceable batteries. And some smart watches like the Galaxy Watch line are held together with... Not permanent adhesive designed intentionally to destroy the watch if you try to open it, but... *Gasp* SCREWS. Easily removable ones. And yet the GW series are thinner and sleeker than Apple Watches with longer battery life. So I don't wanna hear any BS about permenant adhesive making things thinner and better.
@@trashofthefourthquarter1142 Haha yeah true, it can be as bad as worse than 50% efficiency. Half your electricity is just... Going into the void. (Well becoming heat mostly, to be exact) Makes it even more hypocritical that they want to push this as the future... For no real reason other than it looks kinda neat and, of course, "courage" (aka, makes us more money on accessory sales)
For that specific goal (reducing e-waste right now, not in 10 years), governments HAD to be very prescriptive. We already have a better charging cable that's used by basically everyone except Apple. We already have the industry standard, it's just that one company refuses to use it because money. I'm pretty sure if Apple was on USB-C, this law wouldn't exist. It wouldn't need to. They refused to use the best technology to preserve their 10% on everything Lightning, so we just forced them 🤷♂ We'll have all the time to move on from USB-C whenever it's obsolete, but we're not there yet.
Marques you sound like the kid that apple is in regards to this topic. What a big empathy, not for a person but for an entire, very big company. They did their job well with ya
8:24 "the problem is mandating USB-C instead of giving an overall goal like unified charging" That was 2009. In *Anno Domini Two Thousand And Nine*, the EU came an official agreement with almost all major phone manufacturers to standardize charging. They chose not to make it an official law for the exact same reasons you mentioned. They tried to do the right thing, and Apple took that as permission to clown on us for 15 years straight.
@@foobar8894 There's already a de facto standard for wireless charging-Qi charging. The iPhone has supported it for more or less as long as it has supported wireless charging at all.
At the same time, I think that mandating usb type-c could breed a lot of innovation and investment into the type c connector. I’m not sure how close we are to the technical limits of what we could make a type c connector do, but tbh I don’t think there are any Apple products affected by this that could ever possibly be stifled by this new rule. I think Apple just doesn’t like the precedent it sets, and doesn’t like losing their MFI program money.
My MacBook Pro charges just fine with a USB-C, and I can also use it to drive a couple monitors. The connector is fine, Apple themselves are using it, heck they were the ones pushing for it when they removed USB-A from MacBooks. Refusing to put it on the iPhone (when the iPad has it) would just show how petty they are. My MacBook charger will charge my Thinkpad (from 2017), my Android phone, my Android tablet, but it won't charge an iPhone. So dumb.
Or more likely, stagnate since they cannot go out of the box and think different, like many small companies are want to do.. Your boxed into a single way now, and to even change it you have to get legislators off their ass and change it.. how 'easy' do you think that will be.. NOT - I get people may not like apple, but this SUCKS for innovation.. and is a horrible president because it doesn't JUST impact big companies..
@@yessitsme6884 USB-C is not as durable of a connector as lightning. The advantages that USB-C has over lightning are of very marginal utility on a phone. Apple is just using the connectors that make the most sense for each product. Use the more durable connector on the product whose ports get abused more. Use the higher bandwidth and wattage connector on devices that benefit a lot from more bandwidth and wattage.
It’s just a connector that you can add any function to. How it’s implemented is what matters. So Apple can make it the fastest, bestest, most amazing data transfer miracle cable on the market if they want that also only does the absolute base level usb2.0 charging and data transfer with non Apple devices. Edit. Hell they could probably even add an Mfi cert to a usbc cable as long as it was to implement some sort of Apple specific function.
