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I think it would surprise nobody if iron smelting was independently invented in both Africa and Eurasia: copper smelting was independently developed in both South America and Eurasia after all.
This could be said about Africa having the oldest Languages, Clothing, Agriculture, Religions, and so many more, but people often think that Africans were just primitive apes that foreigners had to civilize and evolve. They even make the continent of Africa smaller than what it actually is on maps and globes. How petty is that.
Good job spreading the word! Have you reviewed the latest research concerning the cow domestication event in the Sudan occuring around 10,000 years ago? I believe the research is from the Polish Academy of Sciences.
I'm not sure but I have been looking into some documents of cattle domestication and just as with iron, there is evidence that cattle were independently domesticated in Africa.
There’s some historical works on the Igbo that you might find interesting i’ld like to share with you, I don’t know how to contact you. Just found out your on twitter, are you active there? I can send you the link there, it’ll be easier
I put links to all of my contact info in the description of every video, frequent pop ups at the top right with social media tags and my Discord is advertised right before the outro every time. There are plenty of ways to contact me and I am very vocal about them 😅
Bantu and Nilotic know metal, same with taiwan native(who related to Malaysian, Indonesian, Bruneian, Filipino and Timorese). the only in Africa tribe do not know iron or any metal is Khoi-San and Pygmy.
@@showa546 bantu people like Ashanti, Benin, Dahomey and Shona/Zimbabwe are the best example they are most advance sub-sahara/below sahara. just like mesoamerca like mixtec, aztec, maya, and inca isolated, some of idea and technolgy do not exist in sub-sahara. same reason why polynesia who are austronesian same with Champa, Indonesian and Malay who build a big temple, cities, port and fort, they lack of metal horse and writing script, some do like Rapa Nui Rongorongo script but they civilization dead because of lack of land and resource. the city of Nan madol in Mirconesia abandod because of lack of resource and population to grow. Madagacar more closer to Indonesian-Malaysian people and civilzation, they used similar type of ship, boat, sailed(tanjak sailed and crab claw sailed), food like rice, taro(Polyneisa, Mirconesia and Malay archipelago popular food), Sago and architecture similar to Sumatra and Borneo, like 'Bubungan tinggi banjar' of borneo and "balat adat Melayu" of Sumatra and Malay Pensular. wooden style palace and stone tomb are similar to indonesia and malaysia not to Sub-Sahara their tomb and architecture are different. in Comoros and Zanzibar included Swahili coast to Somalia they more similar to Yemeni and Omani culture and architecture. 'Arab fort in Kenya and Tanzania used Omani style. only West Africa like Ghana, South Nigeria and Cameroon, Pre-Portugese Angola, Congo and Zimbabwe are uniquely sub-saharan or bantu civilzation.
Well I assume you have specific "reasons" for not agreeing. But based on my actual peer-reviewed research, you are probably right. It might just be old wood that skewed the date (as I said in the video). But the 1800 BC to 2300 BC range is frequent and consistent, so it's undeniable. And like it or not, it's all older than any iron smelting from Europe or Asia. 🤷♂️
@@robertsettle2590ya but Eurasia is far more historically researched so it’s fairly likely to remain into that it matters It’s very cool to think africa was taught copper working And developed iron working rapidly after Would be interesting to do research on the subject to see if ironworks would be more natural development in Africa It is a fact that the African bloomery design is the hottest and was dated to that period 2k So and accidental discovery of iron working is very likely
@@FromNothing the name comes from Anglo-Saxon word "iren" and has been known there since 3500 B.C the first people to enter the iron age were the Greeks
@@jonnym4670 Can you give me the name of your source and the page number? Iron has been known in many places prior to the iron age. There just wasn't any knowledge or technology on direct reduction of it from ores. Also there is no linguistic evidence whatsoever tracing African words for iron to Europe. Not only is there no evidence for that but their meanings and associations with iron are entirely different. Their furnace technology and smelting practices as well as rituals associated with them differ dramatically from European versions.
@duckynado8781 Because Sub Saraharan Africans still have an average IQ of 66. These people think they can make up history, for the lack of any other avenue to success.
Yes but also technically no, given that the Benin Bronzes exist. I have to base this solely on feeling for the moment but I get the feeling it was less "skipped" over and more "rapid in-out transition".
@@joshuawilliams8252 Benin bronzes are not made of bronze but brass, even if they were made of bronze they were produced a thousand years after Iron Age started
How can you discover iron independently, absolutely not knowing what metalworking is? (Excluding cold forging of nuggets of non-ferrous metals and meteoritic iron. It's things that you don't need to obtain by complex technological processes). Like, there must be a knowledge base about metalworking, to find about iron. Ores, fluxes, and etc. Opening the iron randomly is almost impossible. I've heard the hypothesis/theory that anatolians opened the iron because they used iron ore as catalyst in their furnaces to obtain copper, there was a lack of some resources that they used for it (I don't remember exactly). But in Africa the is absolutely NO metalworking base for iron discovery, except northern mediterrarian terrirories. Words that "Bl*ck Africa" discovered the iron first is gigantically doubtful. P.S. I'm absolutely not racist or eurocentric. I'm fond history mostly of north-east Europe, northern Asia (Siberia), northern America (Arctic and subarctic), Greenland. Because i find it "non-standart" and interesting. As African too! P.P.S. Text may contain some mistakes because i wrote it sleepy and don't know well english.
Soils in Africa are iron-rich (hence the red color) so its likely they could've accidently smelted iron in kilns when firing ceramic objects. Ceramic kilns are actually much older and much hotter than iron furnaces.
@@FromNothing I've heard about that and it's makes sense. Clays with red colors contains up to 10% of Fe2O3. In brick industry overburned (vitrified), fired more than 1000 degrees celsium brick becomes black and may contain some very little amount of pure iron (Not sure). And yea, maybe because of some pottery experimets africans discovered the iron. May-be.
I was born and raised in the South. I also use AAVE for the racist black guy. It's not done with implications that those accents equate to racism. It's just done for the comedic effect.
@@FromNothing Oh, alright, good to know. I recognize it was for comedy but I didn’t catch a whiff of an accent with your normal speech. So I guess I assumed you were an outsider and that kinda makes it hit different, you know? It’s all good man.
@@FromNothing sure can, scholars such as franz boas & Raymond dart, Raymond found a iron mine in Southern Africa which dates back to the Stone Age. Lemme know when you find it
@@j1ful I'm asking for the source. Like the name of the book or scholarly article. I've combed through at least 20 sources for this and the earliest dates that I've found for southern Africa are between 100 and 600 CE. Also "from the stone age" isn't very specific considering most of Africa went straight from stone to iron so technically it all dated back to the stone age.
@@FromNothing well your obviously not looking properly I’ve given you Two creditable scholars what else do you want research them. I meant Stone Age in terms of the rest of the world was in the Stone Age. Not Africa it’s common knowledge African went from stone to Iron Age…
I’m sorry, but you really discredit yourself by simply not telling the full story. I found your channel because you claimed to be ‘falsely accused of not citing sources correctly’ in a Stefan Milo video comment section. I am sorry, but just this video shows a lack of willingness to properly tell people the full story. Yes, we have evidence of iron smelting in central africa dating as far back as 2000BC and possibly 3000BC. However… Iron finds in the fertile crescent date back to the same pariod. In your video you pretend that they don’t. That is not true. In a Hattian tomb in 2500 BC they found an iron dagger. In Egypt there are iron objects found in 2000BC, minimum. This is just from a simple Wikipedia search. I smelled bullshit because I knew the ‘Iron Age’ is demoninated as such based on the actual strength of the iron found - not on whether there was any iron at all. For example, even though they knew about iron for over 1000 years, the Egyptians only used iron tools more commonly than bronze tools around 700BC. It all has to do with different levels of technological advancement surrounding different tools. It is like acting like the electrical car is a new invention, just because it wasn’t used commonly up until now - whilst in reality we knew for a very long time you could power a car with electricity instead of gas. And actually, an electric car performs much better than a gas powered car - we just didn’t use electricity because we didn’t have the right technology to store the power in batteries that were small enough. In a similar fashion, we might have struggled as a species with mining enough quantities of iron, or smelting it fast enough, or smithing it, or transporting it, to make it economical. In the words of Neil Degrasse Tyson: “We’ll put a human on Mars one year from now, if someone is willing to put up the money.” In the meantime, we’ll just have to wait for technology to advance for it to cost billions, not trillions. The absence of bronze until the iron-working period - skipping thr bronze age - suggests that central Africans independently discovered iron and subsequently developed it further. Although, such a claim is hard to prove since we know humans are capable of migrating tend of thousands of miles in a lifetime. No development is likely truly ‘independent’. However, in no way does this mean iron tools in Africa were ‘better’ than the iron or even bronze tools used in Syria at the time. Sure, you can cite a source saying they have evidence of iron smelting in Nigeria - but you cannot weigh that against sources about the common use of iron tools in the middle east. That’s a false equivalency. It seems to me that you’re desperately seeking to prove African ‘supremacy’ in certain aspects of history to counterbalance the injustice that has been done to African history by former (or current; e.g., France) colonial powers. I’d like to argue that history is complicated and not on a spectrum whatsoever. It doesn’t matter who was earlier than someone else in a given advancement - since you can still be more ‘advanced’ without it. The Inca built an empire larger than anyone in Europe in Europe had done before them except the Romans, without using a script! The Aztecs built the largest city in the world without comminly using a wheel! The incas had irrigation systems that dwarfed even the Roman’s! Population numbers of Angkor What made those of contemporary European cities look like child’s play. The aboriginal boomerang shows an understanding of aero-engineering beyond those of Europeans until well into the 18th century. Polynesians reached further with their ships than Europeans ever did in the 13th century, even accounting for northmen coming to North America… Basically, what I’m trying to say is: Please stop trying to find ways in which Africa ‘out-competed’ the Middle East and Europe - and instead just focus on what kind of a beautiful history Africa has in its own right. The boats in lake Chad could traverse the mightiest of oceans, without using any naval techniques Arabs or Europeans would come up with! Not because they’re ‘better’, but because Africans have a different, beautiful history and they are smart in their own right. Please focus on that, instead of giving supremacists on either side non-existent fuel to debate about.
He’s just telling the truth. Facts don’t care about feelings. If you feel insecure from the truth you have to look in the mirror. Africans deserve to be proud of their accomplishments just like everyone else. It’s weird you’re always commenting against positive posts celebrating African accomplishments. Do you do the same for other demographics? Do the internal work so you don’t feel threatened by Africans excelling.
@@code-52why are you on his page so much just to be racist. It’s mad insecure. Let go of the lie of white supremacy and embrace that black people are just as capable if not more than white people. It’s literally not a competition. You’re always commenting and rejecting the truth because this goes against the narrative you were taught. It’s a lie. Africans are not dumb , stupid or less than any other nation. Let the hate go.
I don't get why it even matters whether black people, semites, Asians or European people's. We lose nothing if black people were first and gain nothing if another people did like europeans. It simply baffles me.
Achaemenid rule In the sixth century BC, the Achaemenid Empire conquered Egypt. The entire Twenty-seventh Dynasty of Egypt, from 525 BC to 402 BC, save for Petubastis III and possibly Psammetichus IV, was an entirely Persian-ruled period, with the Achaemenid kings being granted the title of pharaoh. They were Iranians.
Did you not watch the video? The iron age began in Anatolia between 1800 and 1400 BC. It began independently in West-Cental Africa between 2000 and 3000 BC. Even the Chinese had iron before the time frame that you're suggesting.
@@FromNothing The info is incorrect. They only found iron, they didn't forge it. Archeologists believe that iron was discovered by the Hittites of ancient Egypt somewhere between 5000 and 3000 BCE. During this time, they hammered or pounded the metal to create tools and weapons. They found and extracted it from meteorites and used the ore to make spearheads, tools and other things. Some historians believe that iron casting began in ancient China as early as 6000 BCE while others believe that only copper and bronze castings were being made at this time. However, evidence provided by archeologists contradicts both beliefs. Discovered by archeologists in what was then known as Mesopotamia, the earliest uncovered example of a cast component is a copper frog that dates to 3200 BCE.
Well if you can't even sit through a 60 second video before making a terribly incorrect comment, can you at least cite the source to back your information? Because I'm telling you right now it's wrong. Nowhere will you find a source that claims iron metallurgy is that old outside of Africa aside from meteoric iron. If you can't do this then you no longer deserve my time. I'll give you one of many of mine. I eagerly await yours: “The Origins of Metallurgy in Africa” unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000133843
feel good about your own accomplishments in life, why seek out and hang onto some ancient history ?? this life is yours, here, now. maybe if u invent some process that helps mankind, in a few thousand yrs your decedents can hang onto that because they hav done nothing in there own life .
Actually the first people to make and use iron was the Mesopotamians not, Central Africans. The process then spread from Mesopotamia to Africa, and Europe
Yes, that is what is generally accepted because it "makes the most sense" but evidence says otherwise. As stated in this short, central Africa consistently produces much older dates and the techniques/traditions also differ from those in Eurasia. The diffusion theory simply lacks evidence so it is believed that iron may have been independently developed in Africa.
@@FromNothing Ah yes, the internet archives will remember the day when African History scholar Jabari aka From Nothing had to debate the Eurocentric traditionalist scholar…*looks at card awkwardly before coughing slightly*…YourMomsTits….sigh, the internet. I swear, Mr. Bigot just made another account just to troll you because he’s mad that people from Central and West Africa had iron. Sigh. Keep up the good work! I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and have now subscribed.
