To be fair, them talking about making hadrosaurs capable of fighting back in the recent dev blog does show some promise that they changed their minds onnpara and the concept art is now outdated. Though this could just be wishful thinking.
Keep in mind, the concepts are always just concepts. Things change and it’s just a way to represent possible ideas they have at the time. But I totally agree, it’s nice to hear their current standpoint on hadrosaurs
A: the devs have said that acro is gonna be more of an apex now B: it’s just a concept art so they shouldn’t be taken as all they will do or what they will hunt. Because it’s just a concept. For example ceras concept art was very plain. Yet on release it has 6 unique attributes to it
@@cro-magnoncarol4017the PT Para mod in PoT is pretty good. Can't facetank a Rex or anything but a good Para can give a bad carnivore apex player a proper bruising
@@ahumanoidtroodon1074 Bruh, I can mod Peter Griffin into a GTA game but I don't think anyone's gonna be calling Peter Griffin the best GTA character...
The issue is that they choose way to many species that are to similar to each other. Of the 300+ dinosaur species that are known, they choose to add Giga, Carcha and Acro, which are all pretty much the same dinosaur, a large Allosaurine adapted for hunting sauropods. Same goes for Bary and Sucho. The latter is larger, but apart from that they are the same animal. If they would swap one of them for Ichtyvenator for example we would get a smaller semi aquatic predator on top of austroraptor, filling the gap between it and Bary. And for Para, to do it justice they could give it a similar mechanic to Galli, where it has buff calls and having more members in your herd allows you to stack these, this is what PoT modders have done with their Para. This way a single Para would be easy prey, but a herd of them would defy even other semi apexes!
yes wait what wdym there all the same yes there hunting stragetegy they all vary in size and weight giga and acro are ver different also if i were to go along with your case i would wanna ask u a hypothetical question would u wanna see 10 gigas in one place or 2 gigas 3 charcars and 5 acros, the number varies because acro will take the least time to grow and giga most of these monster bleeders
I get what you're trying to say, but your suggestion kinda backfired. Suchomimus is 5.3t, Bary is 1.7t, and Ichthy is 2.4t, so replacing Bary with Ichthy would just make the gap between it and Austro even larger, and replacing Sucho with an animal less than 1/2 its size would just leave a gap in the ecosystem.
I think you're taking the concept art too literally, they're just concepts, basically a collection of ideas. As with most things they are likely to change once they actually start being developed and tested.
Concept arts just concepts of various situations but in the end of the day the player skill determines who would win in a fight. Also depends on what abilities can be utilize and what stats a creature comes with it. I think that Hadrosaurs in a whole can fight back and kill medium sized carnis but I think they are more oriented to form herds like Trikes and similar ceratopsians. Once the server player capacity increased in a way it can handle the added lags these herd plays would be better. Also I am counting on once they finish the adding of dinos the modders could take their creativity and make their own tier of creatures to fill the missing gaps of the food chain. I personally would want to see more creatures like tenontosaurus. Large or medium sized carnivores needs food to sustain themselves and these size of creatures could be up to a good fight if they have good weaponry or agility. My challenge is to decimate carnivores with Hypsi.
I think your taking "concept art" a bit too seriously. The devs said its just a portrayal, not meant to be taken as exact. Acro probably will require a pack to take down large prey.
I dont understand why people never mention para standing up to acro and kicking it with its hoof really hard. Also herd animals like buffalos can get scared from 1 single male lion today too, Its just concept art portraying them like real animals and the focusing point of that piece of drawing is para's stun while showing it as a herd animal.
The front limbs of hadrosaurs were some what small. But there back kicks are really there main fighting style I mean they can kick with there front limbs but it won’t do much it’s better at rearing up on its hind limb and then stomp with its body weight. There is a fossil of daspletosaures Haveing broken ribs and it was more likely from a hadrosaur. Dasp hunted standard sized to large size hadrosaurs the 4 hadrosaurs if Hunter was the parasaurolophus, lambosaures, corthosaurus,gryptosaurs. Parasaurolophus new size is now 5 to 6 tons 10 to 11.5 meters if it got large enoughe it could be the size of trex. One para Induvidual got to the same size or even slightly taller then trex by a few inches. Your average para would still be smaller then trex but with the new specimen it for slightly larger and heavier it used to be 4 to 5 tons now it’s 5 to 6 tons and if a para is lucky enoughe it could get to 8 tons the same as trex
Idk. I have feeling that their concepts are just showing what a specific animal is capable of or what is going to be the main gimmick of that animal + they stick with their vertical slicing - to make one playable from a group done so the others from the same category can follow. In that case, sucho si going to have (roughly) the basic core of a baryonyx + its own unique additions. And they are the main focus of the concept art since there is no need to have concepts of 2 animals doing the same thing. Acro is kinda unique as well with the choking ability + having 2 of them trying to choke one trike would look silly and impractical. We do not know how could acro possibly take on a trike the way that is portrayed in the concept (maybe stamina related) so I do not expect that animal to just run down something and immediately start choking. Just as raptor cannot just execute a successful pounce in order to absolutely shredd everything. There is more to that.
That was always the case. All concept art usually depicts the dino-specific mechanisms and shows the dino in a superior situation. There would be no point showcasing a Sucho killing a teno in concept art, which is supposed to showcase the concept of the dino and what makes it unique. I imagine that the choking ability would be similar to the grapple one. Where if the opponent doesn't fight back they will be pulled down by its throat.
These are just concepts and realistically the person would of ran away because it doesn’t want to get hurt or wounded just look how bison are one of the biggest animals in America that ranges up to herds of thousands and still run away form wolves because of instinct. But in game players will definitely use it aggressively than defensively the only people that will use defensively are people who play on realism severs but that ok
Acro seems like it would be dog piled by all the Gigas and other apexes. Acro and Giga held the same niche in life so what the hell is Acro supposed to do when it was smaller? It was physically designed to hunt Sauropods (definitely not ceratopsians) but now it is competing with Giganotosaurus!
Now, semi apex herbivores are perfectly fine they are a normal part of the ecosystem. However semi apex carnivores are a problem, as they are essentially inferior top order carnivores that have to compete against larger and stronger competitors for the same prey. While I think the concept of vassal predators is a good one, the mid tier carnivores will do it much better such as Carno and Allo.
@@rileyno1329 I'm not calling you stupid, I'm saying that if the devs actually plan to do that, it would be stupid. Acro is literally just another small carcharadontosaurid, being slightly smaller than carchar itself and much smaller than giga. It would be dumb to being it to the apex roster.
Actually, sauropods may have been a possible prey item for Acrocanthosaurus, and Camarasaurus is much smaller than the sauropod Acrocanthosaurus may have hunted (Sauroposeidon). Additionally, just because two Giganotosaurus are seen hunting a sauropod doesn't mean it's unable to predate one solo, or is weaker than an Acrocanthosaurus.
Yeah ... But acro was a sauropod specialist : giving it the ability to deal with sauropods , but having a bad bleed resistence against ceratopsians could be a nice compromise imo ... Also yeah other theropods wouldn't wanna deal with it because it's also huge has a lot of bleed and damage ... Like it can be a predator capable of punching above it's weight
There is no way Acrocanthosaurus could take down Sauroposeidon without a group if that’s what you’re implying. Camarasaurus being a smaller sauropod doesn’t mean anything because it’s still considerably larger than Acrocanthosaurus. In Camarasaurus’s concept art, we see it kicking the ass of a dilo pack and a Giganotosaurus, so we’re led to believe that those matchups go in its favor. What do we see in Acrocanthosaurus’s concept art? Apparently one bite to the neck and the Camarasaurus is helpless.
Acro in the concept seem using suffoction instead of bleed,if you played mosa on BOB or sarco on POT you should know suffocation is one the stongest killig way since once your O2@@gogeta1241 hit zero you losing big healt percent per seconde killing you way faster than bleed or raw damage.probably its a battle of stamina between acro and the prey meaning before landing the bite the prey was already out of stam.
weird to have the 2 most well known Baryonychines, and have the smaller of the two more of a big game predator, especially considering a recent study found Bary to be the more aquatic of the two going off of bone density. Though I guess maybe the logic there is Bary can pull animals under? At the very least Sucho should be a more effective ground predator. Think how herons and storks primarily feed on aquatic prey but quite easily take land animals. Scale that up to such size and yeah, you have a formidable creature that should be able to hunt small mid tiers.
I believe what they're going for is for Suchomimus to be more passive and Baryonyx to be more active. That isn't to say Suchomimus can't hunt things it's size or smaller, it'd absolutely maul anything Allosaurus' size and bring hell to whatever attacked barring like, the apexes, but Suchomimus may just simply be too slow or it's a "I can't be asked to risk my life when fish sustain me just fine" situation
About the sucho not hunting large animals, I remember a study about their jaws not really being stronger enough to handle the stress of hunting large animals like dinosaurs
@@UNDEADCHARGE it's in the name it's a concept 🤯 shocking I know and my talking it to seriously is that if he sees like a allo killing a para for example he's just gonna assume that they can't defend them self from allos or something like that and say para is useless
What the isle desperatly needs is AI acting the way players SHOULD be acting. The thing with a game like the Isle is, you will never be able to achieve that sense of dinosaur realism with only players as company and enemies. They dont act like dinosaurs because theyre humans. What this game needs are AI. AI of all kind. Small ai dinos, for example a small lizard that crawls up and down trees, maybe a food source for herrera and ptera. Or Parasaurus AI, where they perhaps spawn in groups of 3, if attacked they will try to defend themselves, however not in an offensive but defensive way. Meaning they would genuinely try to knock you over and then run away. No player would do that. They would trample you to death right afterwards. But a herbivore would actually much rather run from a same-sized carnivore than fight it when it has a chance to flee. Thats why ai is so important for this game if you ask me. AI needs to be what populates the map, stops the game from feeling empty and so damn quiet, makes the world itself lively and even fun to look at. Also, before you comment "there would be food everywhere" thats why there are Diets aswell as AI being capable of defending themselves. Im not saying turn it into a "kill one dinosaur after the other - simulator", that would ruin the entire game. But there can be Dinosaurs everywhere WITHOUT there being food everywhere. I just want this game to have a slight fun factor at all times so it stop being so damn boring. (I also want players to finally populate the Delta and the swamps which happen to be right next to each other, rather than that ugly lake in the mountains, but thats prob gonna stay a dream for now xd)
Ok but you are taking their concept art on face value and as fact, alot of concept art changes alot and is just showing what a particulair playable is capable off. For example I dont get the argument on sucho because yes they only show fish and beipi being eaten by it and no other playables but that is most likely just because they want to hammer down the point that its a fish eater. You can't suddenly possibly come to the conclusion that theyre helpless against bigger dino's just because those dinos arent in depicted in the concept art, that is as if you say spino can beat rex because in its concept art it shows it can fight deinos and well Rex isn't in the concept. As for Acro It kinda makes sense it would be able to take down a SOLO trike when its a solo hunter and would struggle against herds, as for the cama that is a valid argument. Ur vids are great btw love ur videos on critiqueing the isle but I just think you've been pushing it a bit lately. (Edit: on the para sonic roar, it's not even depicted that it was gonna run away after their roar thing i don't get what u mean.)
I understand what you´re saying, but don't get you´re nickers in a twist, these are just sketches to help as a visualisation for design purposes. The finished product might be something entirely different.
Paras only weapon is it’s size and yelling obviously and a para weighs more than a allo also they have numbers and that’s about it allo has speed agility and bleed on its side in which already puts its at an advantage and for them to hunt in groups just makes them even more vulnerable they might be able to out run the allo but it wouldn’t matter anyway with the amount of bleed allo would paras only hope is some good mutations with the new mutation system that’s going to be added or being in herds with other herbs that can defend off allos so they just going to have to rely on another dinosaur
well just because there is two gigas fightin the cama doesnt mean it requires two gigas, they could just be hunting together, also acro is a rlly big boy it could be able to hunt a trike on its own
See with the cama part of acros concept art is not only is it hunting the cama solo the cama isn't putting up a fight like the cama could easily kick the acro but it doesnt
9 foot difference according to google, (sucho 36 11m spino 45 14m) which is sorta similar, a bit like a 180 centimeter (6f) versus 192 (6,5~f) It's not horribly close, but if you think it's like rex to carno dude then I'm pretty sure you're thinking of baryonix, sucho was the bigger one
Actually, it is. The largest adult sucho we have is somewhere around 5 and a half tonnes, the largest confirmed spinosaurus is 6.8 tonnes (only a ~1300 kilogram difference), with the 7.8 tonne Spinosaurinae indeterminate having a possibility of just outright not being Spinosaurus. Suchomimus is fucking enormous, don't diss the crocodile mimic
@IndominusRex-wc1ey and that 6.8 tons for spinosaurus has been largely debated with estimates going as high as 9+ tons. The sucho is less built and is smaller than a spino.
I like the para mod in path of titans, quite capable of fighting apex's if you're smart but capable of escaping when it needs to. Plus it's also quite big
The acro is supposed to be a """""small"""""" dinosaur specialized in big game hunting, especially sauropods. That makes a lot of sence too me. However, the trike ? Yeah no
Talking about Dino's balance that is still in concept art is well... waste of time really. Those dinosaurs are years away from being released and a lot of things will change until then. I also doubt that the devs will invest a year or more of their time developing these creatures to make them completely useless or overpowered. I don't think any of this is the devs goal.
Pretty sure what you said in the last 30 secs of this video will be the case, concept art is a wip, when modeling and testing begins anything can change, the Devs have proven one thing, they can build solid playable Dino's, which includes it's animations, modeling, design and mechanics
I have a whole rant about the balance of this game. Not a bad one at all. Just a slight shift in direction. Thought in terms of the playables, I have a bit of hot takes on what the roster “should be”. I would love to discuss it but I understand that’ll likely never happen. I put a reasonable amount of thought to it particularly with the upper levels of the food web and think it would be a much more engaging ecosystem to survive in
At The end of the day these are just concepts, a lot can change when they appear in the game, and not all concept art needs to depict them killing something, I mean it’s cool and indicates what they would be capable of but the lack of it does not mean it won’t be able to fight anything smaller or bigger, quality of life concepts are also cool
At the end of the day It all comes down to roster bloat There are too many dinosaurs, and too many mechanics To give to all of them; Actocanthosaurs solo hunting prey animals that gigas work together for makes the latter irrelevant. Baryonxy hunting Tenotos while Suchos hunt dryos doesn’t make sense given the animals are essentially the same. There are too many dinosaurs, and the devs need solutions to differentiate all of them when the simple way to fix all of this is just cut down the roster
Sucho and bary definitely aren't "essentially the same" Suchomimus is twice Bary's size (if not more) and Suchomimus (at least irl) is unable to swim nearly to the effect that Baryonyx can. It's a power-speed trade, Suchomimus is comparatively a bruiser and Baryonyx is comparatively a speedster
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey 😂 “Ones bigger then the other” OK sure ! And in real life ones are more sufficient swimmer than the other fine, this is still a video game; why can’t we have just bary but allow the player to upgrade the bar to increase its size trading off speed for strength or a similar mechanic to that. Why do we need bary sucho and spinosaurus? Some would argue. Oh, it’s going to be a progression system, but haven’t we already tried that I was in high school when they first put in progression now I’m almost 27.
@nyesummers2281 but then the counter argument is "who's to say that having 2 similar playables specialize in different things to create their differentiation" Sucho and bary are already different. They compete for the same resources, but do so in different ways
it's weird listening to someone who knows literally nothing about dinos. the one that you were complaining about hunting sauropods is a known sauropod hunter in real life.
controversial opinion but giga should be axed, i mean first of all i have an acro bias its just so cool second of all, visually, acro is more unique and distinctive so in my opinion acro should take gigas places
@@KaelanF And many more which is not in the big roster of the Isle. Torvosaurus, Saurophagonax, Rajasaurus, Mupasaurus etc. Modders once gets tools and workshop support will add a lot of these animals.
@@Bolat_Arsen Lowest estimate, edmonto was 3.5 tons, max about 4.5. Lowest estimate shant was 12, and maxes out at 20. Entirely different weight class big man
@FelidaeEnjoyer i... I think you need better sources man. Small Edmontosaurus *regalis* get that small, E. annectens is shant sized (with a maximum as large as 16 tonnes, against Shantungosaurus' 18 tonnes)
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey Considering you specified both species and genus I think I was looking at the wrong one. Give me a moment in my time. Whelp, wrong about that. By googling (google) 'how heavy was edmontosaurus regalis' on a new fresh incog tab, I get 4.4 metric tons on average. The two biggest bulls of clao. annectens were estimated at 6.6 metric tons - being USNM 2414 and YPM 2182. That is around 8 short tons, what americans use. By googling 'how heavy was shantungosaurus' Shant reached between 13000 and 16000 KG, or about 15 proper tonnage. 19-ish american. You carried the decimal point, mate. You're supposed to do that with the mean, not the median, or whatever this counts as. Back on to sources, I used wikipedia and only wikipedia for everything except when I googled 'how heavy was edmontosaurus regalis' (which I already mentioned, at the beginning in case you forgot) If it weren't cringe I'd like my own comment so I could give you the proper definition of a ratio, ye uninstitutable menace to learned society at large
the isle's roster is just way to bloated its almost impossible to have unique niches anymore some species are just too similar to the point of having the exact same niche as a different species. like do we really need 2 mid-sized spinosaurids when the environment they live in will already be chalk full of other competing species?
@@XZaguer I know you and probably like your entire audience think I’m being rude or something here. But I meant it sincerely. I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and I’ve stayed subbed and I continue to watch them and like them. It’s just that I noticed that the point of nearly every single one of these videos is to remark on things that you do not like. Which is understandable, I guess. But it would be nice to see you release content that is full of things that you do like and that you are happy with and that do make you feel satisfied. That would make me happy, to hear you be happy and content. ☺️
