“it doesn’t matter…cause we already lost the best” i’ve felt the same way for quite a while. i miss progression, the old maps, just the old vibe the isle had
FR being so mad I died as a velocoraptor over and over again and how the game had like no tutorials made it so mysterious and fun and like nothing at the time.
Never got to play the old maps. It sucks because i used to watch Anthomnia play on those maps( his vids hyped me for the game alot back then) before I got the game around late 2018. All the exciting stuff disappeared at that point. I've played from 2018 on wards. I stopped around early last year. Playing a deserted version of a game, with so much of its old content eradicated with no hope of improvment doesn't encourage one to keep playing.
Bruh, I miss progression so much, when I was herrera or the carnivore dryo, many memories. There still progression servers but no ones play the anymore :,
The only thing keeping me from switching back to legacy is Ptera since not only is he my favorite Mesozoic animal and the easiest animal to play, but also that I get to live out my fantasies of looking at dinosaurs at a safe distance without getting KOSed. I also get to appreciate the map because there isn't a bush in my face while flying in the sky.
Well if you think the ptera is fun, you just wait until the release the quetz. It's going to be a huge bird that can fly around the whole map, its going to be great. Ptera is your favorite dino now, but I can assure you that the quetz will be your new favorite once it releases.
@@Seventh721 1. Quetzalcoatolus was for a while available on Legacy on a handful of DEV and test environment servers. I actually managed to play as one multiple times. In hindsight, the implementation was quite bad, but it was a lot of fun at the time. 2. Quetzalcoatolus has - at least to my knowledge - not been confirmed for EVRIMA. That being said, I think it is pretty likely to make a return, as the old model and animations were already quite good, and it would make a great addition to the EVRIMA roster. 3. Just FYI, Quetzalcoatolus is not a dinosaur, and it sure as hell ain't no bird, but as an archosaur, it is of course somewhat closely related to them.
@@surtole7584 That sounds insanely fun, I can't wait for quetz. I played The Isle on v3 map for about 50 hours, now playing Evrima I like it more. As long as it keeps getting consistent updates :)
Sorry my dude but i don't think your analysis is very unbiased, you put alot of emphasis on how in a few years legacy already had 30 dinosaurs ignoring that those dinosaurs additions didn't bring new mechanics just new dinosaurs that could just walk run bite eat drink and rest and roar there were no Utah pounces no carno ramming no stego 360 degree attacks it was rare that a animal would have 2 attacks and now every one has at least 2, compare that awful tail riding combat with evrima combat if you really think legacy combat is better you are just nostalgic about it, for me at least i prefer that every animal to have thought process behind with unique features that make the gameplay unique instead of getting a aninal every month that does the exactly same thing with different stats
true, the main reason i hate legacy so much is the tail riding combat, i dont get how it can be so bad, an utha can kill 2 rexes and all the dinosaurs are clones from others. now to hunt a bigger dino you need a pack or you are dead, like it should be
This was clearly just taking a poop on evrima. I’ll never understand you guys, IMO evrima is far better and that’s with the smaller roster and unfinished map. As Someone pointed out below me, every Dino in legacy can walk, trot, run, rest, ambush as carnivores, and have a single attack. It’s just a barebones game with a huge map and a lot of Dinos.
None of that matters if Evrima is a shitty unplayable mess. Yes! They are all fun and unique, but it's not about that, it's about performance and layout. Fps is TERRIBLE, the map layout right now is still laughable, and diets are annoying as hell
@@randomuser8660 And performance remains the most talked about issue in the Isle EVRIMA, but aside from performance it is better than legacy, pot and bob by far in every way except the amount of playables.
Dw I feel you, I would much rather deal with the laggy mess of Evrima. Only because legacy is so fucking boring... all the populated servers have the most retarded rules. (said stupid at first but didnt feel like that word was strong enough to describe the rules)
A lot of people have some serious nostalgia glasses on. I play the Isle since early 2016 and i admit, I had much fun in the earlier versions. But the fun memories are mostly the ones staying. Thinking back it was literally just a boring dinosaur chatroom with almost no mechanics. While it still is laggy and buggy, it was waaaaayyyy worse back then. Rubberbanding, broken hitboxes, rubbish netcode were on another level. Fighting was impossible at times. Not to mention that fighting was boring as fuck and didn't take any skill. I personally also found the earlier maps like V2 eye cancer, don't know why so many people liked them. The bigger roster also doesn't mean anything if every dino feels the same. I'd take 8 (and still counting) unique animals over 30 who are basically just reskins. The movement also feels way smoother with turning animations, momentum and sliding. The most important thing i think is that you can actually have fun as juveniles in Evrima. You actually have a chance of hiding or running away thanks to the foliage and there are plenty other juvie dinos to fight. You can boost your growth and don't have to sit still to have a chance. Also while mix- and megapacking still occurs, it is nowhere near as bad as in legacy. I could go on and on but i think this is enough. I dunno, I just can't understand how people don't think that Evrima is superior in pretty much every way (except maybe performance). But to everyone their own I guess.
More than half the people playing The Isle actually are in Legacy. Let's be honest here. Where is the progression? 7 months for a single Update 5, which contains skin system, nesting and... what? Just think about it, doesn't matter how good the "skin system" or "nesting" is going to be, 7 months time is ridiculous for game development. They need more coders, more people, more DIRECTION. And some are probably thinking "but more updates will come", yes, perhaps after 2, 3, 5 years? Nonsense, in my opinion. Like it or not, at this moment, this is the definition of "Empty Promises".
@@redlinerumble3 the pace has been incredibly slow. It really doesn’t take 7 months to create a skin system and nesting its ridiculous. I’ve been supporting the game since 2017, but man it’s always been bullshit with this company
@@redlinerumble3 I feel like I remember them saying that around this time (2 years) they thought they’d be caught up or something along those lines. Didn’t they promise an update every 1-3 months or something too?
I'm surprised that you went for comparing the quality of the dinosaur calls and animations since you decided that graphics and visuals would be too subjective to compare. The same can be argued for calls and animations. Ultimately those aspects can always be tweaked later if needed, as many dinosaurs had changed over the course of Legacy's life cycle such as Allo, which has had 3 different sets of models and animations and tweaks to calls, and Rex which I believe has had... 4? different models? I've lost count. Utah, Carno, Sucho, Stego, Pachy, Maia, Dibble, Dryo, Galli, all of those creatures received tweaks to their aesthetic qualities over the course of Legacy, but you didn't mention that. I think it's unfair to conclude that Evrima's dinosaur aesthetic qualities are inferior when the devs took so long to figure out Legacy's own. I also think that dinosaur calls highlight your lack of in-depth research, one of the mechanics you forgot to list was dinosaur calls changing in quality as a dinosaur depletes their stamina. The effect you mentioned where a call becomes muffled is exactly what happens when a dinosaur is tired. I noticed your stamina bar was missing about 1/3 of the total stamina when calling as a pachy, which would start to make your calls more breath-y as a result. That feature also telegraphs information to the attacker which we would never have a way of knowing previously, how much stamina does your prey have left. You can estimate how tired they are by how they sound when they call out. I think that's pretty neat. Criticisms aside, this was another very entertaining video. Your editing and writing is always top notch. It's sad though to see you conclude that "we already lost the best" at the end when Legacy was always destined to fail. One of the biggest reasons it was failing to deliver a quality experience was the first thing you pointed out that you claimed makes it better, the roster size. The over-bloated roster size crippled development and set a horrible precedent for the quality of dinosaurs and lead to a cascade of playables that added so little in quality compared to Evrima's roster. Unique mechanics alone that the Evrima playables possess provide the development a great base to iterate on to make the game more dynamic than Legacy could ever have became. When you say we already lost the best in Legacy, you're saying Evrima will never measure up to it, that developing Evrima is pointless. I whole heartedly respect what you love about Legacy. I loved those things too once. It was a home for me, where I've made so many memories and friends. There are better things on the horizon though. With the release of update 5, nesting and skin customization will be released. If we look at the mechanics that you listed that are unique to Legacy, that will leave only Global Chat and Replays. I don't mention Dinosaur Sexes because Evrima already has that, as well as dimorphism with model differences. Global Chat will never be coming back because it interferes with the experience intended for the game, and Replays may never return to official servers because of the possibility for exploitation, it is yet to be seen. All in all, Evrima will have surpassed Legacy in its intended features and will continue to go from there, and I'm excited for that. I was going to leave a thumbs down, but after writing this I've changed my mind. This is a good video, I just have some disagreements with your conclusions. Keep up the great work!
I think he just meant he wasnt going to use how "pretty" the games are... I kind of agree with his reasoning (as pretty plants might not be as important as being able to tell which animal is broadcasting). I personally love walking around taking screenshots (Im like a tourist dino)... but thats not really the intent of the game 😆
In addition to this, I should say that everything you mentioned regarding performance was true. It continues to be the biggest complaint amongst players. I also want to say that while Evrima has a greater depth of mechanics, I shouldn't leave out what Legacy can offer. The playables in Legacy may be shallow in individual complexity, but their sheer quantity and stat differences, as well as aesthetic variety do provide a richness that Evrima has yet to achieve, though I think we aren't far off from that same feeling. Something I forgot to include was that in the development roadmap for Evrima they have uncoupled playables from strictly releasing in updates as originally planned, and many dinos that we previously weren't expecting for 5 more updates are being slated and teased for release in the near future because their individual development speed is outpacing the feature updates.
A really tiny nitpick as well, but I'd also count rain and burrowing as Legacy mechanics, even if the latter is pretty basic; they do exist and work inside the game, altering the gameplay loop enough to be noticible
At this point, The Isle is the Star Citizen of dinosaur games. You either love it and hate it, or you love to hate on it. In 5 years Evrima will be an insurpassible juggernaut in the Dino survival genre, it just needs to get there.
very good comparison and point of view. iv always seen Evrima in the same boat as Star Citizen. slow development, but the potential and talent is insane. we just need to be patient and give important feedback.
As a new player to the isle and I’ve tried POT I personally prefer evrima. Legacy was to hard to figure out for me, and I personally like the more in depth mechanics and diet system. I don’t care much for POT, very hard to get used to and being a meat eating dinosaur picking up acorns and sticks just isn’t fun to me🤷🏼♂️
He isn’t wrong about what the isle had and what it could of been by now, I personally played when it first come on steam and I can say that they made a good turn from what they were doing from 2018 and 2019. they changed the story and the atmosphere it is most definitely different and all that said a path has crossroads and they want to take it in another direction and how they are taking it is something different I just hope that they can keep listening to the community and keep what we like about the game alive
That’s what I’m saying, just bc legacy rushed out Dino’s super fast and had so many doesn’t mean anything, I’d rather them take their time with evrima and make every Dino feel different and special in their own way than rush Dino’s out for them all to feel the same and just look different.
plus more dinos just meant there wouldn’t be anyone to group with, wanna play cera with a pack, too bad! only allos, and that’s just one example and I think the time which this comment is being sent (update 6 evrima) evrima is an arguably better game than legacy and this is coming from an OG player of the game who has been playing for 5 years
2:43 ok you can’t call sucho bary and Spino functioning semi aquatics ffs , they don’t swim faster and are basically the same as every other Dino , Rex itself is faster than sucho ffs
Hmm fair enough but most community servers see them as semi aquatics so that could be why and they give them there own rules like using water as safe zone
Just because they swim fast that doesn't make them semi-aquatics, those are literally just stats, pure numbers which can be changed over night. If they wanted to they could make Stego swim at 40 km/h right now, would that make it a semi aquatic? According to this video's logic, yes.
So I have a few arguments against some points made in the video but I wanna preface it by saying on a subjective level I completely understand everything you’ve said and are feeling during this video and to a degree I especially agree with the closing statement of “it doesn’t matter, because we already lost the best,” however it was also that line that told me this was a purely opinion based video. See my biggest issue with this vod was not the idea behind it but rather that over the course of it a lot of the points put against EVRIMA had only been taken at the base value and not at a deeper level like overall quality. Biggest example is the roster segment, yes Legacy has in total more animals however remember that a decent majority of those animals never made it to legacies intended official game mode survival without the use of admin commands which should have been a factor and that on a design level several of isle legacy’s animal were copy paste remakes of another. In legacy almost every animals experience was identical to another, I’ll make an example, in legacy picking between utah and carno was only choosing wether you wanted jumping and tighter turns or more speed and raw damage. In legacy stego was a glass cannon who ran down most things swinging wildly until either it or everything else died. In legacy Pachy was Utah without bleed. The “semi aquatics” of legacy aren’t actually semi aquatic, they just have more stamina than the rest of the roster meaning they can sit in the deeper segments of water longer. In EVRIMA every animal has been crafted to be a unique experience, picking between Utah and Carno is now picking between a quick and nimble human sized animal who relies on pursuing targets over a long time pressuring them with numbers and bleed until they drop or a decently sized decently powerful ambush predator that relies on its speed, ramming ability, and power to lunge from hiding knock down its prey and finish the kill quickly with some well aimed bites or to get a few in and then create distance with its speed to either prep another charge or do multiple quick hit and runs to the head to finish the job. In EVRIMA stego isn’t a pursuit glass cannon it’s a walking wall of meat that isn’t very fast but is deadly strong and requires precise planned movements to kill. Deinosuchus is the isles first and only true semi aquatic as it has full range over the water being able to move on the x, y, and z axis while in the water and has three mechanics, two of which are unique to it, that give it even further superiority in the water, that being the ability to fish, the ability to see movement ques in the water, and the ability to lunch from the water, grab onto, and drown other animals. I’d also argue that Ptera has been the isles only true flyer, Quetz was never officially released into the isle and required either admin commands or enabling the “test build” setting on servers during its time on the isle, it lacked any true air control or flight mechanics like air speed via sprinting in the air or slowing down with a breaking mechanic, stamina consumption in flight when taking off gaining altitude or when sprint flying, you couldn’t even land as a quetz once you became airborn without purposefully crashing into the ground and hoping the game didn’t kill you, not to mention Ptera has collision allowing it to make mid air collisions and subsequently it has a mechanic where if you have enough stamina you can recover from the collision and continue flying. Overall on an in-depth level I’d argue EVRIMA has the roster point as more does not always mean better. In another point, let’s talk about maps. The footage of the gameplay on the isla spero map appears to be out of date as the most current version of the map has cut out a large majority of the foliage around the map and have added much more defined roads around the map in the form of rivers that connect the whole island, this change wasn’t just a buff for Deinosuchus it gave more defined roads to every animal because as long as you can find water you can find your way around the entire map, by your definition in your map video this should make isla spero far better than the previous maps. But then again, one’s personal feelings towards a map is subjective and those subjective feelings will continue to bleed through, such is the way of things. Speaking of subjectives, I believe you made a massive mistake in making audio and animations a deciding factor in this video, as there is no objective way to separate those two. If you had to do this objectively you would only be able to compare if the animations are smooth and do not have any choppiness or model errors, and if the sounds played correctly when they are supposed to, and in that instance Legacy and EVRIMA are tied in their survival rosters only, but legacy is riddled with de synced audio and odd model errors in animations, such as everything about alberto or Maia’s tail suddenly turning blocky or that ambience in legacy is constant and universal no matter where on the map you are, where as in EVRIMA none of the models display any visual issues when in motion and ambient noises such as birds or waterfalls only play when you are in the trees or near a waterfall respectively, otherwise it tends to be idle wind and yes all ambient sounds except for waterfalls do lower in EVRIMA when ANY animal uses their broadcast. Now subjectively I have to agree that utahs walk and trot animations and carno’s sprinting animations are definitely downgraded from their Legacy versions, however I disagree on the sound design department, I think the new sounds are fine, and I especially love the Pachy and Stegos new sounds as the Pachy sounds more ragged and primal while the stego sounds larger and more bewildering (in a good sense, likes it’s a mythical creature) in EVRIMA. But that is MY opinion. Honestly I think you should have forgone the discussion of animation and sound for the discussion of graphics as that has more objective marks you can compare, are there any visual bugs in the lighting or textures like flashing shadows or something not having the proper texture mappings applied, the presence or absence of “god rays” or minor transparency in things (such as being able to see light through a stegosaurus plates when it’s in direct sunlight or light through a leaf on a bush if it’s directly under the sun), can the difference between day and night be broken by changing some individual settings in a persons game or on their PC, does the grass have shadows, how far away must you be before an item will either de spawn, turn into a low quality distance variant, or spawn in, such as how the trees in EVRIMA turn into cardboard cutouts when you are decently far away and don’t de spawn until you are essentially on the opposite side of the map where as foliage in legacy only de spawns and is inconsistent on when something will de spawn or spawn in. Now I agree with your argument that some people take graphics as a subjective, I think TF2 looks better than say primal carnage or overwatch because despite being objectively weaker it’s overall design philosophy is far superior but objectively you could have used graphics as an argument and I believe without a shadow of doubt EVRIMA would have won that point. Now I’ve sat here trumpeting EVRIMA, and on an objective level I will always stand by the notion that EVRIMA is better than any and every prior version of the isle, but on a subjective level I can understand why those first 630 days of legacy hold so much more value than the current 630+ days of EVRIMA, back then the isle was new and exciting. Back then the isle was something we had never seen before but had been the dream of dinosaur game lovers for years and in those first 630 days they had shoveled anything and everything they could arguably call content into our hungry mouths without giving any of it any direct or intricate thought, and it was exciting. EVRIMA might be objectively better but now we are so saturated with Dinosaur games and have been basically conditioned to believe that more = better that EVRIMA doesn’t elicit that same spark of joy and excitement so easily, and it does in a way hurt, because I really wish it did.
"Glass cannon" is a perfect description for Legacy stego. And you're right about many of the dinos not making the official roster. I played pachy a couple of times on Legacy and wondered why I was bothering. They were so easily killable. Evrima pachy? Total bonking terror! I love how strong the herbis are in Evrima. I think once nesting comes in, an entire new dimension will be added to the playing experience. Even though I have almost 2,000 hours in the game, combining Legacy and Evrima time, I'm still a sucky fighter and like the nonfighting play better. So I'm especially looking forward to nesting. And also to the reintroduction of dino AI, another thing Evrima will likely handle much better than Legacy. I enjoyed hunting speedy little dryos through the woods.
Well said! Evrima is far more immersive. From the graphics(yes shit looking real matters) to the different play style of different dinosaurs. It’s just a better game at this point.
@@rabidDAWGfan82 it really is but most people are stuck on legacy bc of the nostalgia and don’t realize the potential that evrima has. The only thing(in my opinion) that legacy has over Evrima is that it runs better and has more Dino’s to choose from. But even then I’d still pick evrima based off of animations, looks, and feel of the game. It’s just better!
I have some things to say about this video, firstly I don't think you should've included the sandbox dinosaurs from legacy in the roster. They were barebones and not up to the same standard as the dinosaurs actually made for survival. Also, legacy has NO semi-aquatics. Spinosaurus, Baryonyx, Suchomimus were all slow swimmers and showed no real variation from other regular terrestrial dinosaurs. There were no fish in legacy for them to eat within water, nothing about their implementation included an aquatic lifestyle. For the map section... have you played on isla spiro recently? They've gotten rid of about half the forests on the map and replaced most of it with plains. For the mechanics, dino gender is in Evrima it just has no impact since nesting isn't in, but that falls under the nesting category anyway. If you're referring to sexual dimorphism, then Legacy doesn't even have that. Also day/night cycle was forgotten for both, night vision forgotten for legacy, and you COULD include rolling in mud for Evrima but thats not really important and could be considered apart of the bleed system. (Although it does more than just stop bleed). Okay for your point about 2017 Isle and it's number of playables, are you forgetting that the only thing differentiating them was their model, animations, roars and stats. Evrima actually releases every playable as unique with a unique set of abilties and niches. Half the animals released in 2017 Isle were effectively duplicates. Legacy was a steaming pile of shit, I'm fucking glad we lost it because it was never going to be improved. I'd take a product actively being worked on over one that is not any day.
That still doesn't make erivma looks superior, by the simple fact that it takes too long to them to patch glitches and the FPS problem Were supposed to have been fixed YEARS AGO, they not only are taking too much time into dinossaurs that they forgot entirely of nesting and dino customization, which now every other game that was inspired by the isle have it. Not to mention that Erivma is pretty much dead all the time compared to Legacy, not only because server management is worse but because most players can't load in the map, and the lack of dinossaurs to play make it somewhat repetitive. Legacy did had alot of reskins but there were servers that would implement different ways of playing with each dinossaur and how they interact with other players, realism servers are rare in Erivma, And why they think that having a realistic Utah and a normal one is a good idea? Isn't that a reskin as well?
I'll just make one small point here, because I *do* actually agree with most of your point: There is actually sexual dimorphism in legacy among some of the dinosaur species. Male dinosaurs have access to certain patterns of bright colors that females do not have, as the males would require them for display purposes. Just thought I'd mention that one small thing!
Tbh what makes a game good and memorable isn't the overall quality of it. Evrima is kinda boring to play on, especially because it's fucking HUGE but there's nothing interesting for miles. I loved the older maps in legacy bc they're memorable and traveling was interesting.
I much prefer the Evrima carno to Legacy carno, mostly because of the turning radius. I don't want my carno to turn like a bus rather than a race car. As for the map, you forgot the totally useless and annoying rocks you continuously stub your toes on in Legacy. While Legacy has the advantage of having more hotspots, so far I like the Evrima map better. The Evrima stego is a huge improvement over the Legacy stego, as is the pachy. The mechanics of being able to crack open coconuts is a lot of fun. Skimming for fish with ptera is also fun. I have big hopes for Evrima, although I also love Legacy, but I do think Evrima is ultimately going to be far superior to Legacy. Just my opinion, of course!
u know mate, most of the stuff mentioned will be changed in the time to come, in its current state evrima just FEELS right, and i feel excited to go around even when fully grown. once fully grown on legacy, it would depend on wether u're playing with someone or by urself, but it'd get boring very quickly. on evrima the map is yes filled with vegetation, but there are PLENTY of zones without it, why don't u stick to them? in evrima it feels like a new journey everytime even if i already know the place, on legacy i would just get nostalgic about memories and then think how bad it actually was right after. i loved legacy, but evrima is the brightest future AND present we'll get. also a reason for v3 to be bad is the existence of port, or docks, or titan lakes although i did have good times in all of these.
The Isle has had my attention for a pretty decent amount of time now, but I am definitely feeling a bit disappointed with how slow progress is on EVRIMA. Slowly but surely it just feels like the magic and mystery behind this game is fading. Great video overall
8:25 I disagree with you in utha case, i personally hate the legacy utha animation is just bad in every single way, utha of evrima have a more "real" animation like a bird run( but is not perfect), carno i like both. But a problem that i see in evrima and legacy that's how brusque little curves are, especially when the ptera flies. Only deino doesn't have this problem.
Damn, it's almost like animations are completely subjective and not a valid point of criticism for either games because everyone has a different opinion on them based on taste.
@@karenboy1005 Yes, but that don't mean we can not make critics or have a debates how fluid, well done or if an animation makes sense whatever it is applied to.
@@Matheus-ek2wy7cv7r all the animations in Evrima are perfectly fluid and fit with the animals' intended visual and gameplay style. People always keep bringing up the old animations and how they were better but a lot of those animations would just not work with the current movement system and abilities, besides, those animations and rigs were way too old to be reused. Again, it's simply a matter of preference, if you don't like the newer animations that's completely fine but it's not a valid criticism against the game in any way, especially when just as many people like them.
Honestly that sounds cool because then we could get new mechanics and rebalancing plus new dinos and the ability to finally play sandbox Dino's in survival and grow up
@@Thegenderfluiddinosaur I'm not so sure about that, every time somthing new was added like the dryo burrow, something else totally unralated got broken like the day/night cyle. And even if you fixed the issue another thing broke, an absolute nightmare. Thats why they build everything from scratch again, because legacy is a lost case, code wise.
This guy says he’ll be objective and non-biased, ends up being biased instead about what “fun” is. If anything, I’m glad global chat was taken away, to make every encounter beautiful and meaningful. ❤️ Most of my memories from Legacy, was walking for stupidly long distances, for a stupidly long amount of time, never finding any dinosaurs until like 30 minutes later. Absolutely stupidly boring. And the “Hotspots” aren’t an excuse, it does not feel like a rich dinosaur game. But Evrima? It nails all those aspects and the world feels more like a living breathing ecosystem where things *always happen*, in a balanced and natural way.
yep that is true neither is better we have already lost that, the BEST time to play the isle is long gone and it might never come back or if so a long long time from now
it's still evrima or else they wouldn't have abandoned the legacy version, legacy doesn't even have physics on dinosaurs, while legacy was created just because yes, evrima is being thought about more carefully, it's no use having 30 dinosaurs and 3 maps if it doesn't have any mechanics that evrima has, The Isle is a suspense game, it needs mechanics to make the player tense, that's what evrima has, Legacy is full of bugs, where Rex bites with its tail and has a wifi bite. of course evrima also has it but nothing compares.
In legacy when anyone could become a Hypo rex, I remember memorising every animals individual walking sound and interval, because they were all slightly different and unique, which let me avoid a crouching hypo or ambush an unsuspecting sub-rex. It was extraordinarily clean.
the fact they each had their own walking sound blew my mind when i first realized it, i then did the same thing and memorized every dinos walk sounds lol. payed off so many times.
6:40 i don't agre map is fun and immersive. What i see here is that you love legacy to much. :D they are slow thats the only downside on evrima. EVERYTHING is much more polished and nicer and personaly i like imersive aproach. If someone want "fun" then shuld go play beasts of Bermuda it looks fun and totaly un imersive.
I really don't agree with his criticisms of the map. Isla Spiro is really quite easy to traverse, all you have to do is follow the rivers and the former shallows and those will take you to pretty much every hotspot or diet area on the map.
@@mojoboys4933 and what do you want a tropical island to have besides rocks and trees? At least it doesn't have a mountain or giant hill every 50 meters like V3
the realization that peak isle(2016-2017) was comparable in age to evrima was so eye opening. I think that's why my expecations are higher than the game we have now; we DID have many of the aspects I want in the game, its just that the current version lacks them. This is why I play BoB now. While the game isn't amazing, it is the sort of game the isle should be.
@Truesurrealgirl Ehh, I feel like PoT did the same as old legacy, just releasing lots of playables to make it seem like the games progressing fast, but no substantially fun gameplay mechanics have really been added. It feels more like a dinosaur chatroom
Fuck, you really gotta hit me every time talking about how the isle was 100x better in 2016/17 than it is 5 years later. Damn i miss old region 2, old v3 and v4
Envrima is superior in my opinion, of course the progress is slow and not a lot of dinos come out, but most have their own mechanics and there's a lot of effort put into them. One point that made me nod my head in disagreement is unreal having built in day and night cycle - that is a total non point, and no it doesn't. If you want to implement a day and night cycle in your game there's a lot to think about, rotating the sun and having the sky turn to stars is only half of it.
Broadcasting in Beasts of Bermuda (Other really fun dino game) feels pretty bad as T-Rex, the sound design is something they need to fix. They lost the 'feel' of the legacy game in Evrima somehow...? its way more fun to play in legacy than evrima in some aspects.
Where was the combat comparison, Yknow, evrima's biggest stength so far? These seems so biased coming from someone who doesn't have nostalgia for old isle because I didn't know it existed.
And yet the og isle basically wipes the floor with both legacy and evrima. The roster is much bigger than both, the map isle v2 is pretty commonly agreed on best map to ever hit the game, mechanics were sort of lacking but they had the basics down and it played well, and the audio was quite good with each dino having very distinct calls. Not to mention mods and mod maps which are sadly gone. And progression was quite fun, playing multiple different dinos and figuring out how to survive on each one until you reach your final stage.
@@barbary13 The difference was in speed, base stats, and model. It was just cool to play as many different dinos. They didnt need to be extremely different from eachother in abilities as their stats still made them a different class.
here to say that, after a whole year has passed, as a newcomer i find thi video a bit biased. careful: I, as a new player, find it biased. i`m not god ir the judge here, just how i perceive it. The reason for it is that, when i bought the game, i hopped on legacy unknowing of the beta branch thin... and guys... its boring! for me at least! i was about to refund the game before i understood the beta branch matter. IMHO if you want to save this project, please, let legacy die. Evrima have far better choiches made for it in a gameplay view, and the missing contents and features, as we saw with nesting and other dinos, will get polished and if deemed good released. on legacy dinos are fundementally size skins of the macro group.
Bro I realised your a bit burned from the isle devs being slow and reversing progress too often, but I think this vids a tad over dramatic. I also know envirma has updated since this video came out but even at the point it was at then I think it clear that envirma is getting development snf that they want each dinosaur to function differently and play in the fake eco system they are making. The isle legacy was always mostly just a social game, and theres nothing wrong with that. But alot of people actually love the intended gameplay loop, which was broken and boring because it was just stat checking dinosaurs fighting by essentially jousting. I took a break from legacy because I got bored, and tbh, ignored envirma for its first few updates because it was bare bones. But now that envirma has a basic set of dinos that while few, function all differently and play differently, so far seems to be the best thing out there in this genre. It no longer just feels like a walking sim/chatroom, it feels like a true survival game in an emmersive world. The devs might be slow and miss the mark often, but its clear they havent given up and all these doom and gloom videos seem to just be a result of the void of waiting so god damn long. Unless the devs abandon the game for some reason, we cant do much but wait and play with what we got, which right now imo, is the best version of the game we've had.
Remember evirma gonna be better than both someday, since it's expanding and still developing into its true form. Later, we will have all the mechanics and game roster in evirma, no worries :)
I didn't start playing until Evrima had already gotten update 2, 98% of my time has been Evrima. Watching Legacy video's I often wonder if always makes me think I should go play Legacy, but then I do and I think "this is going away though, and nothing new will ever be added".
That doesn't mean you can't have new experiences, though. As a legacy player who played for the first time in 2019, I love it, and I wouldn't give up those memories for anything. There is just something so special about it. The music, the good maps, maybe? Night vision is so scary but also so fun, knowing that if you see blinking white eyes staring back at you from the dark, it's already too late to run. Skins customization is simple but still fun, considering Evrima doesn't have it yet. It's a great way to differentiate players, especially when chat doesn't work the same way in Evrima
I mean, you bought the game. Why not play everything it has to offer? Why not play legacy while its still around? Its not like you lose evrima by playing legacy, vice versa.
Legacy for me was just hanging around at Great Falls or Hidden Lake. The herbis would drink or look for bushes from time to time and because the mix packed herds were so big, no carni could ever lay a hand on them, so they had to rely on eating each other. Yes, Evrima is buggy and has serious issues with performance, but it can only get better, not worse. The updates take a lot of time. Maybe that's annoying but better bring out a good product instead of rushing through anything. I have patience, maybe, just maybe, dedicated players have it too.
Legacy Hands DOWN. Better Graphics, Game mechanics all got to Evrima. EVERYTHING else goes to Legacy...The gameplay Is Just different And Better more Fun Gameplay. Evrima is fun for a minute But then gets Boring as heck...Legacy for me. While Evrima has Dinos in it, feels more like and African Wildlife Game Instead of A dinosaur game. Also when they Add humans to Evrima to me Its won't even be the Isle. Just a Isle wannabe. Also disagree Legacy isn't dead by any means Its still going well
I still remember the first time I played Progression on Region 2 and heard a rex roar in the distance. The ambience going quiet and this sound in the distance that sounded like shattering glass. Spino's distant roar was just the most awesomely haunting shit that I'd heard in a game up until then. Utah's broadcast was unique to this game and wasn't just a JP ripoff. Progression had the survival/horror vibe the devs were supposedly going for that was just completely lost as soon as Survival + AI came out. And the MODS. Fuck I miss Legacy Isle
Legacy vs Evrima is the same as Quantity vs Quality in my opinion. Yes, Legacy has more Dinos, but what's the difference between them? HP, Attack Damage and Looks. In Evrima, everything has it's own mechanics, different playstyles and a lot more things you can do. I'm just a bit worried, with how long the devs take, that the game might hit shallow water before Evrima ever peaks
Evrima News : update 6.0 gore added ( you can ripped bodies of players in the center to take the organs*1 ) nesting added nesting ground bonus better diet with food preferences for every dinos*2,affect nesting*3 new night vision ai make higher calls sub-aquatic ambience and better vision when looking to the top of the water vision blocked to smaller angle when eating / drinking new colors for skins and eyes update to Unreal Engine 5 *1: organs have they're own category in the diet system *2: ai and players enter in the diet *3: a full diet assure a full nest, a bad one give you raw eggs and you can't even eat them t.t PS : Evrima got skin custom with 2 type of paterns, also got dino gender before update 6
i actually love the dense forests, started playing just today and already managed to hide from a huge carno using my camo i carefully placed on my dilo and most importantly using the density of the forest around me, he walked right by me and did not see me sitting right next to his foot hahaha it was awesome, i loved every bit of it
I disagree with the carnos animations being ruined in Evrima. I feel like the running animations for carno are wonderful and it makes carno feel larger with weight. I feel like carnos anims in legacy felt as if he was hopping everywhere, pretty weightless.
7:41 "dinosaur gender" is in evrima - it affects the detail colour of your skin just like legacy and will continue to do so in evrima, but on top of that there are model variations between genders. currently only Ptera has the model variations but we've seen them for stego in the recent skin system teases.
@@saakers well with a little education it’s easily explainable. Stegos evolved for sexual dimorphism to make it more efficient for raising young, survival, and so on. Our species scientifically has very little sexual dimorphism (aka differentiation between Male or Female) therefore it was never linear. Some women have wide hips, some do not. Some men are tall others shorter then the average woman. Humans are naturally very fluid in our representations of male and female since we are an intellectually educated race. Our evolutions and creations make it so we get to have more control over our anatomy. We no longer really need a mate to reproduce, just doctors to give you a donor. So as times go fourth, unfortunately for you it’ll probably only get harder as we continue to test evolutions ends and fuck with our own gene pools :)
This video reminded me just how much I miss older legacy (~2018, when I first started playing). It's strange because it's a mix of sadness and somberness that it has passed, but I'm also glad I was reminded of that time in the isles history when it was the perfect game for me.
As a newer player i think legacy is more veteran friendly and Ervima is a more new player friendly with a smaller roster a one map it help when it comes to getting used to the game also with aging in the game more foliage helps baby players hide better as they learn the controls and systems
I don't like Legacy's animations at all. They're clunky and bad and I donn't think they provide personality at all because all the carnivores get the same weight treatment and headbob and delayed leg pickup. The fact that the carno feels light enough to go fast but heavier thanutah feels much better to me to play. and utah feeling small feels better to play too. They lack the weight they once had, butthat's because thy emphasise the differences they have from eachother. And god sure they had 32 dinos but they all suck in legacy. They're all copy-paste with minor tweaks to damage, stamina, regen, bleed and some bone break. They did not feel distinct. Evrima is worse in some ways but everything feels unique right now. It's balanced,apart from the goddamn Stego. It's been fun to play, and legacy just wasn't. I think they're both so-so games as far as they go, but legacy had a worse core. It felt worse to play. It was horribly broken.
Oh yoyoye what are u talking about... you are so bad as juge. Omg sorry . You make a efforts and an interesting idea but your allégations. Damn. Bro. The animation of legacy better and better. This is where you have lose all your credibility
I’m Evrima you have stuff to do and you can do more cool and fun things and more cooler mechanics and animations, in the old Isle you just boringly wonder around as a dinosaur with no goals or anything unique. Old Isle was so damn generic and boring, can you Old Isle fanboys take off your nostalgia glasses please?
I love both versions of the isle. But I can't stand most players on legacy, I just want to be a fucking Dinosaur and kill other dinos. Not have all these rules and regultaions for being a Dinosaur.
Trying to solo in evrima is hard no ai anywhere 2 and half hours gone never even made it past 50 percent BUT I have yet to try any herbivores yet soooo when I get a couple more hours in ill tell yall my opinion
11:06 Nah you can DEFINITELY compare the two considering Evrima already had a preexisting layout of YEAAAARS of Legacy to use as somewhat of a blueprint. They have that to refer to. Thats like movie directors and studios and writers bitching and making excuses over not being able to make a proper live action cartoon/anime/videogame when THERES ALREADY SOURCE MATERIAL!!!!! (You already know what these are 😂😂) Also, update the vid since Evrima has a ton of updates now
I think evrima is less accessible to players due to how intense the graphics are. Legacy is better imho even if that sucks too. But I quit the game a long time ago so neither side appeals to me anymore.
playing evrima earlier as a baby raptor and i got stuck hearing the biting animation sounds, id be running "nom" id be hiding "nom" sleeping? "nom"' gettn downed by a deino? yep, "nom"
As a person who got everima like 7 days ago and enjoying my time I can't help but feel I'm definitely playing a shadow of a once former great game. Still fun for me as I've played no other dino survival game and the people I've met so far are decent but yeah feel like I missed out. Wonder why they changed seems like they had a completed game already and should support it more then evrima rn.
Dude…. Maths much? If the side length of a square is 6km the area is 36km^2; that clocks the area of v3 at 225km^2 not 15, and spiro at 256 or 4096km^2 if it is full size … an actual 64km^2 map would have a side length of 8km which, traveling at let’s assume human walking speed of about 4kph would take you 2hrs to cross from one side to the other. Please revise your numbers
Firstly, it is quite dishonest of you to include sandbox dinosaurs with Survival dinosaurs in Legacy. We should be comparing the same gamemodes! Also many Sandbox dinos like Alberto for example, were quite unfinished hackjobs. But otherwise, your video is okay until 11:50 This is where I believe you either lack knowledge about the game in 2017 or you're simply viewing the game through a lens of Nostalgia. Like did you play or watch the game in 2017? The game was an extremly unfinished buggy mess, with sub-par spawning mechanics and with bad dinosaur animations, to only add a few of the problems the game had back then. It is true that a lot more dinosaurs was in the game back then, but why do you have such a quantatative view of Dinosaurs in The Isle? The Dinosaurs in The Isle in 2017, were of vastly lower quality than the ones we currently have in EVRIMA. 8 generally well made (I agree wich certain points of your critiques about the sound of Pachy for example), are worth more than low quality visual art, but with no depth or proper work behind them. Overall, you were clearly biased from the get-go, when you set out to make this video and it shows.
I like them both. Legacy's biggest flex is the variety of species (relax, I said species not mechanics). Evrima of course has more to offer in terms of mechanics and balance. From dominating anything with a Rex or a Shant, to flying around and pecking annoying carnos. By a narrow margin I like legacy better just because of the dino roster. Side note: I HATE the seemingly endless number of fallen logs throughout Spiro... Navigating through legacy jungles with apexes was tough enough to rocks and the occasional tight tree group, but nothing annoys me more than Spiro and the clear deforestation going on
Hmm. I finally got around to playing Evrima last week. It's a lot of fun when it's working. Other times, the audio is a distorted, stuttering, ear-shattering mess. Other times it sounds like everything is right up your ear, while other times it sounds like they're across the map. The optimization has apparently gotten a lot better recently, and it's definitely playable for the most part now. On lowest graphic settings. Upon close inspection, I think my game looks worse than Legacy. Objectively worse, that is. But that doesn't bother me too much, because when the audio is sometimes working, the atmosphere is unbelievable. Beats Legacy 100%. Again, when it's working properly.... Can't stress that enough. I love Legacy, and I'm really starting to love Evrima too. I really need to make it so I have both of them on my computer at all times.
no discussion to be had on this really. if you like circle jerks and single mechanics with horrible graphics - legacy is your move. if you have any skill whatsoever, wnnt more than one mechanic and dont want to eat a$$ to win fights - evrima is the move
This scares me honestly.. The fact that Evrima's map is only 1/4 of the size available now and they plan to release the full thing soon... The world feels empty with what we have now and 100 players... How is it going to feel with 3/4 more space and similair amount of players? (even if they bump it to 200 that's nearlly not enough.. The game needs alot of A.I... Good A.I, not those boars, frogs and lambs that wait to be slaughtered.. dinosaur A.I that will run, fight back and defend itself..
Evrima IS the best, it only lacks the amount of playables that Legacy has, but even then its still better then Legacy. But I've been with this game since 2015 and I can say one thing...God its slow...So, so, soooo fuckin slow. Also a lot of people seem to miss Progression but I'm fuckin glad that shitty game mode is gone.
I don't think it can be objective because personnaly I hate animation, sound of LEGACY and their map, the only thing I don't like in EVRIMA it's their optimisation. I never liked what The Isle was before so in my opinion, it's can be objective, it's your opinion and you have some arguments to defend it but it's just a question of taste. This video was really interresting even if I'm not agry.
One of the biggest reason I don't play Evrima is because its map is over-quallity. That should not be the problem right? I mean better map better experience right.....? Yea, but the bush levels. The bush and grass levels are so insane, i just can't see a damned thing. Never see my predator or my prey. Very annoying for me.
I really miss the old legacy maps. They were a lot more beautiful and creative. I remember drinking as a hypo rex across from another one in the Redwoods. Another time i remeber playing as a Hypo rex, calmly walking down a gaint waterfalls cliff down to these beautiful pools where Utah raptors gathered around a rock. I loved these moments so much, but then they completely stopped me from playing as the hypo and going on these maps. It lost so much of that fun spark from the beginning. Now the Evirma map is a mess :)
0:08 Path of titans?????? HAHAHAHA That game is not even a survaival game imao, is more like a boring quest simulator full of trash players with the most toxic dinosaur game comunity of all time.
Why these kind of videos never showed up while I was pondering buying the game in the first place?!. I very disappointed with the evrima branch, I expected more from a game so long into its development
Can I just make a point here; what Legacy had was a bit jumbled; the combat was pretty lame (phasing through targets, no collision yadda yadda) but another thing is that Evrima has given players what they wanted. Back when I was on legacy discord servers everyone and their dog wanted a more realistic version of the game, and that's what the devs did with evrima. It feels like nobodies happy even when they get what they want. It's far from a perfect game but I feel evrima has made substantial improvements where it counts. I do have to agree with your point about the Carno and Utah animations feeling a bit slippy and cartoonish. Aside from that, I would never go back to legacy. The only thing I miss is being an Allo, feeling fast and powerful Edit: I also miss the diversity of dinos and the playstyles that came with them, each felt so unique. And the grouping system and the pack experiences were one of a kind. I'd never trade that in
Well, we can't blame the devs for one thing. The reason why they left legacy is because they couldn't even work on it anymore, A employee messed up a certain code that made it uncodable anymore so they got lazy and Made evrima. But they didn't just remove legacy because I guess they wanted they're players to be able to play a working version as they we're still working on evrima. But I do want to blame the devs for changing everything in evrima animations roars, etc.
I think evrima was a huge development mistake. BUT They are 2+ years into it, and they aren't going back unfortunately. They just have to make that change worth it. Can they do that? We'll see. I've really tuned out of the development for the game, primarily because of the absolute snails pace of progress, but also because the team (namely Dondi) are absolute asshats that treat their players like shit. I want the game to succeed, but it seems like there has been a rift between the community and Dondi for some time now that has continued to grow. It seems like the community was very happy to have a hardcore dino survival experience, and Dondi is more interested to force this jurassic park-esque sci fi horror game down our throats, and all I can say to that is; thank God for custom servers.
Evrima did in 2 years what legacy had been promising and hyping up constantly for well over *half a decade*, or at least most of it. ‘Nuff said, development might be so but nowhere near the shitsink of over-ambition and blatantly outlandish ideas.
Whoa whoa whoa first the elephant in the room legacy sandbox dinos don't count cause they were "nnnever" added as actual playables in the games survival Mode
TBF graphics should be a discussion, simply for people with lower end computers. Good luck trying to play evrima even on lowest settings if your rig isnt up to snuff, lowering the settings to min wont cut it. While in legacy you could lower them and actually feel the difference in fps. So in that way graphics and their settings directly impact performance of the game, you can make legacy run pretty damn good, while evrima still derpy af. Seems like they spent more time detailing the plants and rocks than they did optimizing the game imo.
I don’t understand why they slashed the dinosaur roster into basically 1/4 of what it was for Evrima? I recently downloaded it and whilst playing as a Deino or Ptera is fun, you only really feel you have a fair shot if you play Pachy or Carno otherwise you’re just sitting in the water or getting your ass handed to you by every other dinosaur. Evrima isn’t as fun as Legacy and I’m going back to it if the servers are still up for it.
Evrima will be the best dinosurs survival videogame ever when it wil be finish, already now is much better than legacy for me. After 3120 hours, legacy is boring and is too easy to survive
for me its all about emersion , and surviving as a dino on Evrima is a way more emersive experience than legacy . while playing legacy its imediately apparent that im playing a video game. With Evrima i get tunneled in and forget that im playing a game. and to me those 2 destinct differences mean everything. The map design i think is perfect on evrima, it literally feels like im playing a dino in isla sorna in jurrassic park. all we need is the human with jeeps and tranq guns and we can live out the fantasy of playing the best unlicenced jurrassic park video game lol
Very simple, legacy is better in dinosaur variety , AI creatures and human structures (what make maps interesting ) , evrima is better in everything else And since the isles was always supposed to be the most realistic dinosaur game evrima butcheres legacy in Animations, sounds and so on cuz in that its far far more realistic
Oh my god the running joke of dibbIe being a heIIish creature from another universe at 2:19 with that ominous music LMAO I remember it from the tier Iist
I have to agree with Jadilzoca. It is dishonest and unfair to compare the dino rosters of the versions of the game without allowing graphics , animations, and mechanics with each dino to be involved. As they are a very important factor to the development of the roster. I can agree that the devs are definitely not working as much as I think they should in evrima updates. That being said this video is a very biased one.
simple reason I like playing Evrima, I like that I can bite a body part and it'll hit that body part; no dying to rexes who just manages to nip my tail and one shot me.
I understand that a lot of people love ervima but for right now I don't think it surpasses legacy not right now yes it has some playable dinosaurs and yes the graphics look better but there is still a lot missing and updates come out very slowly. I tried to go back to try ervima but I couldn't see myself playing right now with what it has at the moment when the apexes and a large roster of herbs and carnos come out without bugs then it will have my attention but for now I feel it's a far off and its disappointing.
