The Italian Last-Ditch TZ-45 Submachine Gun 

...Exactly True: and also much

im a brit and hate the sten, they could have at least gave it a pistol grip

This sub looks great for a last ditch

@@theodorrodriguez1800 there were some ‘pistol gripped’ stens :)

@@theodorrodriguez1800 and delete the awkward side magazine and put it normally on the bottom or even emulate Australia's superior Owen gun and gravity assist on top.

Martinix Way Cool Bro !

Do you still live in Italy? How are your gun laws there?

@@jonross377 Actual carry permits are exceedingly rare, and are issued only to some lawyers, jewelers, gunsmiths and the like -totalling less than 20k people in the whole country. But we can buy, own, transport unloaded and shoot on the range quite a bit of guns (with an apposite "sport" permit at the authorities' discretion, and provided one has no previous felony convictions, or a history of alcohol abuse, drug use, etc.). Presently one can own up to 3 "defensive" handguns (the only ones you could carry with the near-mythical carry permit), up to 12 "sporting" guns (both handguns and rifles), plus an unlimited number of "hunting" rifles. There apposite rules for actual collections. The distinction between defensive and sporting weapons is quite awkward (e.g. for pistols, adjustable sights and/or long barrels make for sporting, e.g. a 4" S&W 686 is defensive and a 6" is sporting). There is currently a 20-round limit on pistol magazines and a 10-round limit on rifles (except sporting ones under particular authorization conditions, which can have 29-round magazines; on the other hand hunting rifles have limits depending on the particular game). There is a maze of regulations and someone will be able to explain much better but on the whole the law-abiding italian can have a lot of fun on range days. Guns (not ammo) are quite expensive compared to the US, however. Regards from Italy. P.S. There is also an ammo limit: 200 rds handgun, 1500 rds rifle of which no more than 1000 ball ammo (incl. shotgun slugs). Registered competition shooters can have more, I think up to 600 handgun rds, don't know about rifle ammo.

@@nicoghiro3127 Thanks. I took the select-fire prohibition for granted. As to the 5-rounds limits, it has been lifted to 10 recently

Allora non sono l'unico italiano hahaaha

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The grease gun and PPS43 were far from last ditch, they were cheap because that's how you want your SMG. They don't need to be expensive at all, when all it has to do is shoot pistol cartridges there's no real reason to have it be any more complex than a tube with some springs and a bolt in it. At least not in a military setting.

I took his original comment to mean it compares favorably with those other small arms, despite being a last-ditch weapon. I’m inclined to agree.

I was thinking if the M3 was given to these two designers it would look a bit different. Yeah, I love the ugly mf, and it was all about production capacity, but a little style is nice. I wonder if the bolt handle/dust cover would work on the M3 - simply sticking your finger into the exposed bolt was kinda ingenious, but I was never happy with it.

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine all the italians "last ditch" smgs use the Beretta M38 (MAB38) magazines but a smg like the TZ are not enough ammo 40 round mag with 900rpm u burn ammo too fast on the other hand theres always the FNAB43 with his 400rpm that is way better

The grease gun was no last ditch weapon and was actually a fantastic SMH

Iono Sama When Italian engineering works, it works

TheOtakuComrade But not for very long :D

T Sylvester And your statement is based on what exactly?

He must have owned a Fiat .

Fix It Again Tony!

Similar to John F. Kennedy being killed by a Mannlicher Carcano

Actually, After studies some historians are prone to think that Aldo Moro was not kidnapped by the brigate Rosse cuz of the organization of the attack

@@davideb.4290 The Red Brigades were certainly there, with other as yet undisclosed individuals, possibly from the intelligence and organized crime. It's one of those notorious "Italian mysteries"...

@@costantinoandruzzi2219 si esatto, non ce se ne capisce un cazzo eheh. L'unica cosa che non mi spiego è perché gli sia venuto in mente di ammazarlo proprio quando stava organizzando un alleanza con i rossi. Boh, più che altro era per quello che mi sembra credibile che gli americani l'abbiano fatto secco

@@davideb.4290 I don't speak Italian, so this was always something I couldn't find that much about. But yeah, it's a pretty strange piece of history. Killing a guy who actually helped your side become legitimate made no sense to me. I'm not sure about the conspiracies(that he was killed by the CIA because an anti-soviet communist party was too complicated for cold war dogmatists to allow), but they at least do make sense.

I wish Metro 2033 would get its own movie. Hollywood would rather produce terrible remakes of classics or even more terrible originals like the Emoji Movie.

No metro is a game not a movie

How about a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. movie?

If I remember correctly, the creator of the Metro video games chose to use video games as a story telling platform rather than a movie as movies are much shorter, and so it wouldn't be possible to include as much detail as there was in the video games.

@@markosofranic3905 Told from the perspective of a *FLESHPIG!* XD ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cxzhxL-3tUs.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jjerq7ctp3A.html

Actually the RSI wasn’t that badly trained as it’s always thought. Still with this smg being given out to often less trained anti partisan units, it’s understandable that they went with safety over effectiveness.

I really don’t see an an issue if your a right shoulder shooter in terms of effectiveness. I mean I’m obviously going off mental picture here. But pulling a stick mag from your left side. Up to reload and hold the safety then using you right hand to charge the handle. It doesn’t seem that egregious? However it obviously becomes a problem when you don’t have your mags on your left side and on your right side. However if you always load the mag with your left hand and use your right it doesn’t seem that crazy. For lefties this systems is a clear crutch.

@@ECHOFOXTROT289 Some RSI units did see action against allied troops like the Regiment San-Marco (Decima Flotiglia-mas),airborne Rgt Nembo/Folgore,M Bnt "9 Settembre" & also some black brigades and GNR unit.

Honnou Yeah, or just put a twig/whatever under the upper arm of the safety.

Honnou my thoughts exactly. There's always a bypass to such "safety mechanisms" lol

Jamming something over the upper arm of the safety could also work, but i see a flaw with that. It can become loose by the recoil of the gun, also it can get partially engaged with the catch and maybe even breaking the gun. So tying the "grip safety" is better and safer in my opinion and it doesnt harm the gun at all.

I'm of the same mind. As an ex-soldier, the first thing I thought was "Just how long before somebody took a shoelace and tied it off".

You would just charge it like an AK is supposed to be charged. Have your left hand on the magazine well depressing the safety, and using your right hand for everything else. Ian is just being backwards because he is wrong handed and made it look difficult. No need to use a rope, string, twig, whatever bullshit. It's just dumb to disable a safety.

Todd Howard Kind of silly, this seems to be a much better safety that the traditional hocking up of the bolt. This is not a fast way if readying a submachine gun. But a grip safety at the handle would be better...

Todd Howard Safetys are there to prevent you from accidentally shoting your colleagues or even your own foot...actually not a bad thing.

"IT JUST WORKS"

If well designed yes, but if they also stop you from shooting someone when you need to its not so good.

When does fallout 5 come out?

Just wait until you hear about some other criminal things Germany did during that time

@@sigmasquadleader ahaha true

@@sigmasquadleader The criminal things that the allied did are slowly starting to surface now.

Any worse than the awful Sten, which by the way wasn't a last ditch weapon. You obviously have no idea of engineering let alone weapons.

@@chapiit08 What is your fucking point? There's always some cancerous axis defender whenever some dares to say something about the horrible things Germany did.

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Toni

And apparently Tonon, not Toni

@@johnleake5657 ...INFATTI: the exact name is TONON, a common family-name in north- east Italia...

I'd really like if Ian manages to put his hands over a Variara SMG (there are at least 12 surviving samples, at least one of them in a private collection). It's an insurgent weapon (it was manufactured by Italian partisans during WWII), but it's really the king of insurgent SMGs. Sten-style bolt and charging handle slot, TZ45 style barrel assembly / receiver, FNAB 43 style folding magazine holder (for MAB 38 magazines) MAB38 style double trigger for full auto-semiauto, MP40 style folding stock and pistol grip, original grip safety. Its' like someone decided to put the best features of all those SMGs in one design, that was still easy and cheap to produce and field strip.

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Um... I didn't think that would need an explanation. it was a joke.

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Maybe changing the grip safety to the trigger grip would make it even easier to use, just flip it and we're ready to go.

But there is no real loss of efficiency also. The thing is made to be held with the left hand by the safety / magazine holder, while the reload operations are made with the right one (the contrary for a leftie). No loss of speed, and, since you have your left hand around the magazine holder, you can't miss it while changing the magazine, even if you are operating in the darkness, or not looking at the weapon at all.

i'd put this over the sten given that this has some very intelligent design features, especially the grip safety which ensures that nobody can fire it while holding it wrong, which is important when you're in a last ditch scenario where the guys you have left aren't necessairily well trained or highly disciplined.

It's much more refined than the Sten.

The Italians had a lot more style - they also weren't paranoid about the Russians reenacting the atrocities committed on them a couple years earlier in reverse - so they were just twiddling their thumbs waiting for someone to kick out the Germans so they could get back to business.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 you probably don't know about the Marocchinate, commited by the Allies, and the mass murdering of Sant'Anna di Stazzema, Marzabotto, and other places as well.

Calvicius Lx3 it’s now well known that the allies committed atrocities, still the germans and in particular the SS really played a number on their “allies” as there were many killings by the SS in Italy, often leaving entire villages in ruins. This plus the fascist indiscriminate crackdown on even “suspected” partisans, makes it so that the majority of the population of Italy, not a fan of the war in the first place, were just hoping that this mess would end quickly. PS. No way you can compare the allied crimes with nazis crimes. Just the magnitude of the latter and the fact that they were deliberate, encouraged and widely planned in advance, puts em on a totally different level.

Or the first ditch British one (looking at you, Sten)

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Tsudoshi09 most weapons in Italy before and during were partially made by hand, because it wasn't really complicated to make.

You'd have to both hold the lever on the magwell while you pull the charging handle back, which is probably impossible.

Hold lever and grip with left hand, like any right handed shooter. Pull against shoulder to hold, like any right handed shooter. Let go of rear grip with right hand, charge gun with same hand, then return to rear grip and trigger, like any right handed shooter.

I meant you hold the gun with the left thus depressing the grip safety, the right hand can then change the mag and throw the bolt. Should be no problem?

Yeah, that was pretty much the way I was taught to change magazines on the G-3. Left hand on the front grip, release the magazine and replace it with the right hand. Then charge the bolt with the right hand before putting it back on the pistol grip.

My thoughts exactly when I saw the video, definitely a gun for right handed shooters

Moreover, since the left hand gives to the gunner the exact position of the magazine holder, it's imposible to miss it, even operating in the dark, or not looking at the weapon at all.

Man of colture

then it just locks open...

@@aaronstorey9712 It's an open bolt gun. Open is ready to fire.

@@poisonouslead85 The grip safety will stop the bolt from falling all the way. Just because the bolt is open, you still have to address the grip safety.

@@SlavicCelery Just charge the weapon with your firing hand like everyone did back then. There is no issue in contemporary usage.

The correct reloading procedure for a right handed person seems to be: hold the gun with your left hand by the safety / magazine holder and use your right hand to replace the magazine and operate the charging handle (that's almost exactly the same procedure of the Bergmann MP35 reviewed last week) and you'll not have loss in combat efficiency at all. Is not like you have much to do with your right hand (that's rupposed to be your most able one) until the reload procedure is completed, so it's better to use it to reload the gun.

It's not cause the Italians had friendly-fire incidents that much of the SMGs designed after the war uses some kind of automatic bolt locking safety. It's that the experience of WWII taught that the main sources of incidents with those weapons was a hit in the back, that makes the bolt retreat enough to catch a round, and not enough to catch the sear, so cycling and accidentally discharging it. That's only a very simple (it's a last ditch weapon after all) way to solve that problem that, by 1945, was well known.