When parks says something along the line of if you see someone with an “open wound” going through something you have a tendency to throw a can of salt on that wound. Y’all see how joe just kinda laughed that off? THATS THE ISSUE
Not only that. The fact that Joe seems so confident that they’ll be back is also an issue. He has a very “They’ll get over it” attitude, which is a terrible attitude to have towards your friends. That alone would make me not want to come back
@@babyjetski6712 I mean he doesn't have to. Not sure how his Patreon continues without them. Are people paying for a pod tour with just Joe Budden. It serves his bottom line and revenue to play nice and be humble. But really the incentive should be that these are his friends.
We don’t know the true details of what Rory been going through though it’s just off assumption that his engagement either didn’t work out or isn’t working.... so like Joe said it’s hard to have someone’s back on something you don’t know about. You feel me
“and nobody had his back” bro they’ve been asking him if he was good for months, even asked if he wanted to talk. he declined like joe said, so what you want them to do ?
Theory: Joe spilled juice on and broke Rory’s MacBook and probably didn’t offer to pay for it. That was the final straw. Rory brought it up recently and looked justifiably salty
100 percent!! Mal carries a bit of that "old school" mentality, which he demonstrated in this case supporting Rory, and speaking up against friend and employer.
This is a legit question, is there some information I’m missing? How do people know mal standing up for Rory? Again this is a real question I’m not trying to start an argument.
@@mrjagrown Hi, longtime JBP listener here! This episode was a "marker" for the podcast and hopefully not for their longtime friendships. In the episode when addressing the topic of their absences, Joe stated that after he essentially told Rory to "take time off," after what he expressed was a rough 6 weeks...Mal addressed him and the conversation with Mal did not go well! (Parks was a witness). Mal posed the question of how is it that Joe can force Rory to take that time off, along with whatever other issues/grievances. Joe also stated more than once on this episode how much Mal is a man of "principle" and a "standup guy." I hope that helps a bit!
@@ifrr8337 yeah my bad I was early into the episode when I asked the question and joe hadn’t actually said anything meaningful about the situation until later in the epi.
I don’t never wanna hear Joe say he mental health dude ever again. Everyone knew Rory was going through things Joe here acting like he ain’t know Rory been goin through whatever. Mal lookin out for Rory as well is TELLING..
@@DBabblin 🤨 No.. I’ve got two ears and eyes that work really well though. I also pride myself on fuckin with solid dudes only.. Joe this you on your burner account ?
Rory and Joe definitely have pressure over Rory not caring about Meghan’s experiences with racism and Joe saying nah fuck that you gotta care about that. Idk if that’s got anything to do with this at all, but you could tell.
@@rasheed6902 hell yea, it was still a good pod though. The point he was trying to make was that Florida over reacts when the blacks are on spring break acting an ass, but they don’t do shit when the whites are going crazy tearing up the town and doing “Florida man” type shit. Lol so I got his overall point but saying dine and dashing is being black was outta pocket. Lol but everybody likes bashing Joe I still fw him. His flaws is what makes the pod entertaining, sometime he reaches and goes over board and some time he be spot on. That ignorant statement is just one of those occasions where he just missed the mark.
@@tentoetimo9578 mal we never knew what he did but if you follow roc you’ll see him all the time. Rory I knew about cause I’m in the marketing world and he’s actually well connected (not to me) so I heard about him doing big things...which is why he’s even around Joe
"so when Joe talks... I don't really expect too many people to understand where im pulling shit from" 😐 Remember the guy that said "Joe your not a genius" lol, Well.. 😁
The more Joe talks this pod and last pod the more he proves Rory & Mal’s point Joe is blowin up his whole network and for what? Pride? Ego? There is a price to pay for THAT level of arrogance & narcissism Olivia left Mal & Rory are not showin up he better get it together and fix this Damn the pod save your friendship value your friends
I think Rory and Mal finally figured out they have a boss. So when Mal asked Joe, why does he get to say who comes in and who doesn’t, he pretty much answered his own question.
Joe Budden is a professional bridge burner. Literally destroys his relationships with everyone he works with: Defjam, Shady, Em, Slaughterhouse, Complex, Rory and Mal...The list goes on.
Joe stays throwing rocks and then hides his hands. You treat Rory like something that’s at the bottom of your shoe for months, and then have the audacity to pretend you don’t know where the hostility is coming from. Joe wildin 😭
This should be top comment, because just watching certain episodes you could read the energy in the room was weird and off between joe and rory, and only som many viewers really saw it and heard it
Joe is that toxic friend who makes everything about him and knocks his friends when they are down. Rory deserves his space. Mal gets props for standing up for Rory.
How are y'all coming up with all these theories, don't give a fuck how many episodes you've listened to, these are strangers, you don't know these niggas. Let them figure it out.
You're a podcast listener listening to a show not a documentary end of the day, most of the time they debate stances they don't believe in themselves just for content.
Agreed. If Joe does NOT get his shit together his whole network will continue to suffer! He needs to humble himself & boss UP! He already loss Olivia Dope NOW the boys are MIA and Joe needs to make it right
Can't stand CNN parks. All he is, is a yes man to Joe. Never has had a back bone. Only time he gets defensive is when they disagree with his CNN politics.
Thats because Parks knows that Joe needs him. You in my house using my equipment. Even if he fires Parks, Parks is a well respected engineer who got things lined up.
Joe is surprised people feel they can’t talk to him. Notice how people are voicing their opinion to him in responses during the pod. Everyone has to speak like walking on eggshells with him. The crew is very timid to express honestly. That should be terrifying for anyone. It means the death of authenticity in your circle. Or it died a long time ago.
Joe’s is going to have to really look within to see why the relationships in his life constantly unravel. Rory also has some ego he needs to work through but it might have formed as a defense mechanism. Mal and Parks are stand up dudes, sticking up for their friends and coworkers is honorable. I also like Ice and Savon, everything doesn’t always haveto be jokes all the time and them brothers know how to have an engaging conversation.
Akademiks is the reason for Joe and Rorys problems Ak talking crazy about Rory and Joe still being cool with him probably didn’t sit right with Rory ..... this is just a thought I could be wrong
I’m not even a charlamagne fan but he told Joe this would happen. His ego and how he deals with people always fucks up the business or the platform he’s on. Happened with slaughterhouse, everyday struggle, Spotify, now it’s looking like the podcast is going down that path. I hope everything gets straightened out more importantly for their friendship. I could give a fuck about the show at this point as long as they repair the friendship.
And I stopped listening to the breakfast club when Charlemagne called Joe out over loyalty... but he was right.... it’s sick because you can see it happening in real time. The fact Mal is out as well is telling
N that’s the thing cthagod probably felt like he was giving advice but joe took it a different way but in reality he had points joe out here turning down millions like everybody on the pod got millions to be turning down other millions like him
@MČBD LLC I didn’t just speak only on the Spotify deal I spoke on a few of his endeavors that went up in smoke because of him and “I don’t give a fuck attitude” you can’t be doing that when your a boss and your responsible for the livelihood of not just your family but others as well. Btw I’m not saying this is all on Joe but he definitely plays a major part in it.
I love how joe can sit here an react to raury saying there not friends... joe you’ve been flaming this man for months and mal sees it and doesn’t agree with what your doing.. Be the leader you try to make yourself seem to be and stfu and humble yourself and see where other are coming from
Joe better not underestimate the value of Mal and Rory. He needs them as much as they need him. Chemistry is the most important thing and with Rory and Mal this is just random dudes having conversations
Funny enough’ just got paid today & was about to pull the trigger on Patreon.. but until Mal AND Rory return seems like a waste of bread. (Same goes for if parks leaves)
Mal and Rory are family. Period. This should have been a family conversation for all of us to see verses Joe explaining his one side. I’m glad Parks was there to call him out a little. Joe definitely has a way with words as we all know he’s a narcissist. I’m not saying bye just yet but I can’t do a few more episodes without the real JBP Boys. 🤞🏽
Even if Joe ain't a millionaire he shouldn't say that out loud even for cloud because it will make his boys feel some type of way Rory and Mal are a big contribution to the show and should be compensated justly. He might have dug himself into a hole on that one, but I like the show with the original crew not new people.
It’s plain and simple, You can’t continue to scream “I am a millionaire” to your friends who helped make you a millionaire again. Y’all can say it ain’t monetary, but friends in business ain’t falling out if everyone is getting paid respectively. This may stem from Rory saying “we aren’t friends” but the root of him saying that is from the lack of compensation. As a long long long time fan of the podcast I want you to be able to say “We are millionaires”.
I mean but joe also has multiple streams of income. That I’m sure made him a millionaire and not just the podcast. They should of kept the name “I’ll name this podcast later” if they just wanted to pocket watch and didn’t want it to be the joe show.
@@SK8BOARDLEE Na I’ve obviously been watching for years. I’m just never concerned about what my boss make. Obviously joe got more opportunities when HIS show got poppin. That’s how you leverage your own popularity. You just lack any business sense. Just how Rory leveraged his popularity with dusse pallooza. They all have the similar opportunities but ain’t doin the same with it. Name something outside the podcast that would make Rory or mal a millionaire right now. I’ll wait.
Translation: Mal felt like podcast decisions should be made between all of them, joe was like naw. Things got heated and joe violated mal in some kind of way.
@NEGAN LUV am not arguing about whether he needs them or not, but in your original comment you said that nobody cares about them which is obviously not true.
Joe's conduct is flagrant. He condescends Rory in conversation REGULARLY then gaslights him to make Rory seem defensive when he calls it out. Rory overcompensates at times in self defense. Now Joe is pulling some "I'm the boss" crap to be petty and spent 2 hours dressing up his narcissism. Let's not forget the "let me pay for y'all to go on a date" dirty mack to Mal and Rosa. Nasty Budden behavior
Remember math class? Wasn't that funny either for everyone except the few, this is finance boss talk pod which went from the friend pod to the money talk pod too fast. He should just do a pod with numbers for like 6hours for those who wants that. I don't trust him in business so I'm not keen to listen to his perspective.
Joe uploaded a *whole compilation* of him telling Mal his "hands work" and standing up saying he was going to fight him. Then he says he doesn't joke with his friends like that to Rory. Joe is notorious for getting very angry when people cut him off. Yet he didn't let Rory get a full sentence in when he was clearly going through a lot and trying to explain his therapy. Ok...
When Joes does it we understand its a joke. Rory means that shit. Rory does shit like say hes gonna kick Joes ass and Joe gonna say he lost cus of his bad leg. What was funny about that joke Rory told was NOBODY laughed. They sat in silence, then moved on.
@@casono When Joe spent years saying it to Rory, rory didn't laugh either. Just because everyone else laughs at everything Joe says doesn't make it funny. How're you gonna shit on your boy when he's losing his relationship and beefin' with your old coworker then get salty when he says we can fight? They're all mad sensitive for sure but it's still wack.
@@venheartzeil3070 Joe said he came to Rory to understand boundaries, what was going on in his personal life and so on. Rory said he comes to work, he performs and goes home, why does Joe need to know? If your dude wants to know what you feel comfertable with because theres been tension and you shut them down withb "You should just know", or "Why does it matter?" you are the problem. An actual adult would say, "I feel X when you do Y and I would appreciate it if you stopped because Z." Anything other than something similar to that is childish. If someone makes a joke at your expense and you say nothing like their supposed to know its a sore area thats on you especially if you have allowed it to go for this long without saying anything about it.
Those are the hives Joe was referring to. That's Parks hive dissing Mal. Rory's hive disses Mal. Mal's hive disses both Parks and Rory and Joe's hive spends all day defending Joe. They're too busy to diss anybody.
Called this after the Spotify rant episode and the moment it was obvious that Rory & Mal learned, in real time, the type of shit that Joe was turning down on their behalf. He basically told them then that they weren't his partners. You don't negotiate deals without your partners and then tell them about it when the cameras are on. Bossing up on Rory and then Mal realizing Joe would do the same to him were the last straws. The energy has been super weird since the end of that Spotify deal. Joe fucked his friends and supposed partners over and had them working overtime to fund his network that they had no equity in and then had the nerve to pull the boss card. Had them hustling backwards for less money to pay more people and fund your "vision". That's fucked up.
Rory was also tight when he did the other podcast and found out that they had better equipment and couches to sit on. At first I thought of it as a joke but Im sure he really meant it.
I have a feeling that Spotify deal was actually pretty good but Joe didn't want to take it thought he was worth more money probably could have set up and Rory and mal for life
I actually liked the last pod but I want to hear Rory and Mals side. I think Joe should take the next pod off and let Mal and Rory tell they side without Joe there
When Rory and Mal come back Joe should step out for a pod or two so they can voice their concerns. He got to voice his concerns let them have their voice but you know they won't be able to do that with him there cutting them off and getting super defensive. Him and his ego can watch and listen in from home.
I love how Parks checks Joe and chimes in on this episode and didn’t let Joe slide on comments that needed further clarification. Shout to Parks. I see you son! Joe needs to understand that it’s a podcast. Stop stepping on others opinions that differ from your point you’re trying to get across. We’re here for the commentary as a whole. Rory got tired of letting you slide, rightfully so. Let them pod and get they shit off like you get yours. Respectfully
Parks has a more secure role of the pod because im sure its more convenient and probably easier financially for Joe to pod at Parks house compared to renting a studio or pay for equipment and hire his own engineer etc...for Parks its much harder to say “Stay home and dont pod”...plus if Joe ever returns to music he probably wouldn’t wanna burn that bridge...
Some opinions needs to be stepped on . Sometimes Mal be sounding reeeaaaaaallll doofish....Sometimes what he spews just don’t be making sense and use his logic of thinking on “only real niggas think like this” shit be weird..and even sometimes with Rory.. pllleeeaasseee I’m a need y’all to watch the podcast hold ya bias. Alllll 3 did it. Almost as if they were just there to work and not build bonds and friendships...forgetting the foundation
100% about money. I feel like Rory also had an issue with Joe paling around with ak. Especially after their feud was public. But joe hired by patreon, no one else did. When Joe turned down the Spotify deal, he turned down the biggest pay day for the other 3. I think they backed him thinking they would get picked up elsewhere, but they didn’t.
I think Akademiks exposed some underlying issues. He probably had Rory & Mals family and friends asking them about their pay. Joe fucked up the bag at Spotify that would have made them all millionaires now he's only secured himself a seat at cashapp.
@@tecn8281 Mal told Joe “who are you to tell Rory to take a couple podcast off?” I would assume Mal got to thinking if Joe can do that to Rory, then he can try to do that to him. So he said fuck that, if Rory is going then I’m going too. Say what you will about Mal, but he has principles. For those asking when did Joe say this, it’s in this episode at about 1:00:40 Now granted some of what I said was inferred from Joe’s cryptic talk, but I think it’s safe to assume that’s what went down. At least from what I gathered, make of it what you will.
Joe forgets how we have seen him disrespect Rory for months upon months.The few times Rory claps back, Joe gets in his feelings🙄...Love Mal for doing the right by telling Joe home truths!.
NIGGGA Joe is basically sayin the whole episode... there not coming back. 🤦🏾♂️ da fuq, you can say these seats are always here for you. But if they don’t want to come back to those seats. Then...... unfortunately it’s over
Let's not pretend that we didn't all see Joe poke at Rory's relationship status when we could see he was visibly going through something. Everybody has a boiling point, Rory probably reached his.
@@ad7818 Joe said he tried to talk to Rory to find out whats up and Rory said, "Why do you got to know?" If you problems going on and someone asks whats up, its hard to take the side of the person who shoots down the chance to be transparent, explain whats up, declare boundaries and express how you feel.
@@ad7818 you know how many jokes Rory has made about joe and his relationships! You a grown ass man that got caught cheating if you can’t joke about it then don’t pod the fuck you this is
People seem to be not be talking about that. If I was Rory out of all the bullshit Joe has put him through as a friend thats the most foul. To let another one of your friends not only drag your other friend though the mud but to bring his name up and big him up in a public forum. That made Rory look nuts. After that happened I wouldn't be considering joe my friend anymore.
How are some of you saying this and yet Rory initiated the issues and went to his house...sounds like Meek Mill behaviour to me. JB doesn’t need to speak for another grown man who was speaking until it got political for him
Rory wasn’t joking and he’s been saying he’s been in the boxing gym getting it in. Joe gets up and swings in the air playing with mal rory be dead serious
Mal and Rory on this long vacation while people on patreon pay 😬... judging by Mal’s tweets and him not having the joe buden podcast in his bio might say something without saying something.
Gotta be honest. Each time Rory invited you to hands, you earned fam. Joe you get WAY to comfortable making certain comments that warrants getting snuffed. Then you further the disconnect by not even trying to hold yourself accountable....
You know how in crime documentaries and really personal interviews they avoid showing the person’s face and instead pan to something random af? That’s what that reminded me of 😂😂
I don't particularly understand why when Joe is talking about the network he says he doesn't see himself as a boss and doesn't ever want to be in a boss role. But then when Mal checks him on why he is able to tell Rory to take a few days off, there is a point of contention. You can't play both sides.
Exactly. It's baffling bc the podcast is called the JOE BUDDEN podcast! You're the boss, always were, right? This should not be new to any of them, respectfully.
He's basically saying he's trying to not see himself as the boss BUT HE IS. At the end of the day HE DO got a right to tell rory to sit tf down for a min. Mal has a right as a co host and friend to speak to Joe and tell him he not feelin that approach. Rory has the right to feel how he feelin too. Im a new listener as far as like 3 months and I've seen the tension and respect. Joe comes down on Rory harder than Mal fasho however they are different personalities, Mal chill af, if u disagree he gon get his shit off and let it be. Rory n Joe go back n forth more bc Rory speaks more. I love the fact that Rory comes at Joe wit different opinions and I agree with him more than the other 2 usually. Him n Joe need to speak on that shit and get it together. Joe, quit talkin over these niggas and let them spit like u did wit Ice n Savon o. The last show. That mf was hella fluid, the chemistry worked but wasn't nobody trashing on Joe and his rap career. They just need to leave It on the table. Let them niggas talk, and be a lil more sensitive to the jabs you throwing. They literally said the issue and HUGE its just deeply rooted. Come together and be better or part ways on a decent note
@@JaYoungHRT that sounds manipulative to me. Make it seem like you're in the same position as your employees and when shit starts to get tense you switch your tone.
He plays on angles, he’s the samantic god. He’s a victim when the shoe fits, yet antagonizes. He’s fake humble when it suits him. He doesn’t want to have “play fighting” convos with Rory yet its an ENTIRE COMPILATION of him getting out his seat and approaching Mal. It’s funny and memorable moments. He talks to people crazy and since they’ve known him for years they’re supposed to know he doesn’t mean it. Instead of taking accountability and stop talking to people the way he does, IF he does care about them! The narrative fits, he ruins everything before they meet the peak precipice. Music career, marriage, every job he’s ever had. 🤷♂️ he definitely has a complex and maybe a little imposter syndrome since he sabotages so much. Never thought he’d do it to the pod, where you’re literally chilling talking with your friends. He can’t even do that and allow it to flourish.
Joe is racist to White people. If parks didn’t have white guilt, do you think he would have a place on this podcast? If Ian wasn’t saving Joe’s ass at every turn do you think he would be involved in any degree
Joe said “if Mal doesn’t come back they still gonna have to talk... he didn’t say the same thing about Rory. He also say Mal is a man of principle. He has never said anything like that about Rory. By these statements alone you can tell his respect level is different towards Rory and Mal
I hate to judge. Because the truth is, we don’t know. But, my boy Joe does seem to always be in the middle of controversy. It’s always something. He’s the common denominator. It might be you bro. He’ll figure this out hopefully. Those are his friends. I don’t want them to fall out.
I mean this seems to me overall like he’s trying to preserve that..they’ve been full speed ahead and obviously ignoring and missing things that were building up, and they all started to realize it was gonna come to a head in the wrong way. I can believe Joe when he said he asked Rory about not knowing what’s going on in his life and Rory shrugged it off and it bothered him, cause I do think he genuinely cares even though he plays too fucking much at times. But he realized yeah this is going too far and I don’t think Rory’s handling all his stress that well (which keep in mind just from what we actually know is still a LOT,) and he tried to do something about it. Whatever he said to Mal I dunno, but it seems clear that overall he’d rather lose them contributing to the pod then lose them as friends altogether.
Lmao RANDOM SCRUBS riding on the coats of others. Without JOE B. those 2 wouldn't be eating as good. Still be less then 2k views. A nobody at a party. Lmao JUST SAYING. Yall soft a.f
Completely true 💯 percent Joe IS the issue and it’s a shame he is not more self aware His pride & ego are out of control I pray he makes this right. If not it’s been a good run
I think it’s crazy disrespectful for Joe to air his side of a private beef on a platform that all three of them built up, without the other two being able to state their sides, or even consenting to have their private beef aired out publicly.
He can say there is a disagreement that we are working through privately. When we are are ready to publicly address the beef, together, we will. In this episode Joe just said he isn’t a slave to the audience. Just cause you want the tea don’t make you entitled to anything.
@@jaytayGO false. Anybody can sit and in their seat and talk but the vibes will never be the same. Perfect example. Ice and sayvon are literally “holding it down” no complaints on what they’ve given to the pod past and present. But the vibes. Not the same.
@@dennisclarke6456 well they use his place for a Studio. I'm sure Rem made sure they got paid. So it was a smart move to keep Parks fed. But still doesnt excuse Parks for not having a backbone. He probably was the snitch the whole time
Well, he can't speak for neither Rory or Mal. Edit: I don't want him to either. Let them say what's going on. And, hopefully, Joe has a respectable reaction to it.
‘the fans attempt to split something that was built so carefully through the years’ Joe, take several seats papa. I promise whatever internal discord is happening amongst the crew has more to do with the people on the inside than the fans. Take accountability.
Hes speaking on all the rumors yall keep tryna post on these comments lol read the comments it's wild. This week and last week. People going hard at it and don't even know what's going on.
