0:28 - The Pod starts as the crew wishes Ish a Happy Birthday 🎈 + NYC had Snow ❄️ 6:22 - Convo on Joe’s outfit before he plays an audio clip and Intro’s the Pod 😂🔥 14:44 - Joe ask the crew how their doing as they talk about their weekends 💯 18:44 - Mos Def claims Drake is a “Pop Artist” in a recent interview (Audio clip + the pod reacts) 👀 29:30 - Ice thinks that older MC’s are stuck in the past when it comes to Hip Hop 33:35 - Joe thinks Drake tucks his tail when Legend MC’s speak on him + They speak on Michael Jackson 40:04 - The guys thoughts on if Drake speaking out will effect him as far as sponsorships 👀 48:18 - Thoughts on Drake’s response to Mos Def + they play more Clips from Mos Def’s interview 🎙️ 1:01:17 - Prize Picks Ad + Sports talk 🏀🏈 1:03:59 - The guys talk about the NFL Wildcard Weekend 😂🏈 1:09:44 - The talk becomes the reputation of the Dallas Cowboys Fans ⭐️ + Parks speaks on the Miami Dolphins downfall 🐬 1:16:04 - Detroit Lions success + praise for Rams WR Puka Nacua 1:19:34 - The guys joke with Flip for not knowing about Football 😂😂 1:21:49 - Gypsy Rose does not consider herself a murderer 👀 (Joe plays an audio clip) 1:27:17 - Rick Ross’s girlfriend Cristina Mackey spoke on his past relationships in a interview 😳 1:39:52 - Audio clip of Cristina Mackey responding to fans + the guys joke on younger chicks cooking 🍽️😭 1:45:30 - Joe brings up how people are saying that the food “Kale” is a myth 🥬 1:47:42 - Mel gives advice for younger women + Joe tells a quick story 😂 1:52:47 - Recap of the 2024 Emmy’s (Audio clips + Mel gives a breakdown of the event) 2:00:58 - Joe brings up how Fox owns Tubi and the crew discusses the platform 🎬 2:05:50 - Mel mentions Better Call Saul has no Awards + Flip dislikes the new Louis Vuitton Timberlands 🥾 2:10:31 - Joe mentions he is getting the crew some gifts + the guys continue speaking on footwear 👟 2:14:24 - Joe extends love to Ari Lennox + speaks on her wanting to Sue him 👀😭 2:19:56 - The Grammy’s are approaching and P.Diddy denies invitation + the crew reacts to Fabulous new song 2:23:47 - The Convo goes to Trump winning Iowa and how he’s “Back” (Politics talk for a few) 🇺🇸 2:33:32 - Ice confronts Flip about an IG live he had with Gillie and Fatboy SSE + Flip eventually goes at Joe 😂 2:41:22 - Part of the Show (The topic is about Friendships turning sour) 👀 2:44:04 - Joe’s mom told him to not play a gameshow again on the Pod 🤣🤣 2:49:17 - The topic goes to the Dance “Swag Surfin” since it went viral with Taylor Swift ****Hilarious Part**** 😂 2:57:33 - Joe Outro’s the Pod ****If you Support my Timestamps for the Pod, Give me a Like and Sub**** 🙏🏼
The crew trying to get Ish to dance is one of many reasons why this has been my favorite podcast since 2016, even through all the changes. This show has done nothing but go up, and UP, and 🆙
@@aurileerayproper vexated like he's sonning them... I feel like I'm going to start doing using "GOOOO" at work/family meetings when people are pussyfooting around lol 😆😆😆
Nope. Don't need him on. He needs to be quiet because some of that stuff he's saying is straight lies. Until he shows us what EXACTLY he is doing to help in the Congo...I don't wanna hear nothing from Mos Def.
@@threeeight5313 I'm not speaking on it Sir/ma'am. I see what's going on and keep my mouth shut as Mos should do. But, he is pocket watching and speaking on it... To answer you... there is nothing I can do because I'm not a millionaire or apart of the 1% or the 5%. So, all I can do is pray and talk to GOD about it.🙏🏼 Anymore questions Sir/ma'am?
I have never commented on your show but I'm obsessed with this podcast. I have not watched TV since I was turned on to the Podcast. You all are like my family now. I laugh so loud with you. Flip is hilarious. Out of control and the show would not be the same without him. Ish is so interesting and intriguing. Mel is so beautiful and I love how she can handle you all. Parks is so cool. Ice will challenge anything musical so you better be ready. The chemistry is phenomenal. Joe you are the GOAT. LOVE THIS SHOW
@@MelodylRootsvocals are an instrument technically in musical terms but I get what y'all mean. His versatility and range makes him an outstanding artist sonically. Cuh meant artist most likely 😂😅
I think he reads the comments and realized we weren't feeling good about his presence. He seemed disgruntled, and we wanted happy flip, so he brought it out.
Because Drake isn’t expanding his fan base. He gained a NEW fan base that appreciates pop music more. His hip hop fans at the beginning dwindled when he went the pop route. So the issue isn’t him trying to appeal to new people, it’s him not caring that he lost his appeal with older hip hop fans.
Excellent episode…conscious level w Mos Def and then ended it with some black joy celebrating 🥳 Ish’s Birthstrong - a dynamic podcast!! Love it from 🇯🇲
Flip does alot of podding about the podcast but nothing else. No comments on sports, music, movies, tv shows, relationships (and he’s married). Guests come on he on mute. He dont even try to research this stuff before coming on the show. Unprofessional as hell. If he not talkin about himself and a contract he is lost up there. Just give him his improper improv show and get him off the main pod. He has been terrible lately.
It's always next to each other no matter what! They are not trying to keep their affair low 😂😂😂 and ish girl just had a baby, you know he backed up! Too bad Mel willing to be a side, she think she can take him from ole girl cause she white but men of any race with any race usually ain't leaving especially if kids involved! Don't matter how much prettier, smarter or successful you are unless you all 3 and got a better attitude, funner, more respectful and supportive! Idk tho. I don't think they really cheating tho...yet but mel did think she could take him and probably still do cause she don't know any better
30:04 To argue Ice's point here; If that is the case then it should not be called hip-hop anymore. They should find a new name to what is being done today if it's so far removed from it's origin that the people from it's Genesis don't recognize it. That's what's happened to every form of music to bring the next evolution to this point Jazz, blues, R&B , Rock and all it's different forms. Why do we keep calling something that does not reflect the essence of it's name as Hip-Hop?
Because this is all being done to kill hip hop. It's not being done to create an evolution like they claim. If it was about evolution like they claim they wouldn't mind it being called something else. What they want and "They" being suburban corny dudes that could never relate to hip hop from its inception want is to kill hip hop because they don't fit in. These people that want Drake to be seen as hip hop really just want hip hop to die because they can't find a place in it in its original form.
Absolutely. I was sitting here thinking, but Ice if it evolved beyond its origin in almost every way. Its no longer HIP-HOP. It is Pop. It is KPOP. It is whatever name you tag on it but it is not Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is a cultured based genre of music that falls under a much larger umbrella of culture. Madonna could never claim country music. Adele will never be R&B. Lizzo won't be Opera. If any of that did miraculously happen the genre won't change just the artist. Drake left hip-hop musically and culturally. Ice's take is off...
what most deff was saying was no laughing matter. Unfortunately media is based around “can we sell this” so joe laughed but we as a people need to have a real understanding of the everlasting cycle that we are trapped in and laughing will only slow that process. We have to keep pushing against the tide.
The reason people won't come at Kendrick like they do Drake is because Kendrick is a real MC who makes dope albums that real Hip-Hop fans like. Drake will always be an easy target because he doesn't write and makes pop songs.
all that you said is understandable, but y’all took the ghostwriting narrative to far. Drake got a few lines here or there. Which boils down to dude can actually write lyrics himself period. You can't ignore that he can & does write his own but every now & again just gets a little help when he mad busy..
I think what the conversation was missing is the fact that in the beginning you could consider Drake to be a purist or seeking to be accepted as a great emcee just in hip hop period. Along the way due to his versatility he was considered cheesy by the likes of DMX and others because of his ability and Willingness to go outside of hip hops strict definition, which I have to say there is an art form that is hip hop and although it has been redifined by the machine realll hip hop has and always will exist in its essence. In the beginning Drake associated himself with the street elements of hip hop by being on tracks with newcomers and less known artist which made it seem that he was reaching back. But some of his association was questionable due to his perceived intentions on WHY he was reaching back. Some claim he did it to remain hot and also be associated with what’s new as far as the new sounds that were being introduced and to his credit having a keen eye for what’s up and coming is a smart business move as well. What it seems to me that Mos Def aka Yasin Bey was mentioning is that after his acceptance from the hood and American fanfare he became less involved with the struggles of the average black person especially black males could relate to. Black women and fans of course live the brother the male population never fully embraced him because it’s hard to rep or represent a people that you have no true affiliation or history with. His Canadian struggle is not that of a black American male. So the argument is not about his record sales or chart topping sales it’s about who and where is his voice when there are black issues that affect black men. Where does he stand on black lives and police brutality and the effect of drugs in a black neighborhood or black on black violence. These are topics and subjects as a black male that he never addresses in his music or in a post or when the mic is in his hand. Why? He can speak to the female population and make songs of their struggles but the black male he hasn’t to this day addressed at all. I honestly don’t even know if he can or cares too especially at this point because he has the ears of our women, he does make great music for socializing and partying but when it all boils down to it his catalogue has no depth when it comes to black American life or community. I also wanna let it be known that even tho Hip Hop has grown to a worldwide audience it still began as the voice and expression of the experiences of black American male and female youth. That’s why it’s so important to understand the cultural impact and the importance of respecting the origins of Hip Hop and when you go too far from its center you are outside of what it truly Represents therefore you CAN not be considered REAL HOP HOP
@@AliFrankTheTankit’s Deeper than rap. Period. He is who he is! Like Jay Z said You are who you are before you got here! He does not have a social political bone in his body when it comes to the experience of an American Black man! But he will spew violence and threats in his music!! Maybe because of his gangster affiliation. To be honest I believe Drake may suffer from 1 variations of Negrophobia!
@@AliFrankTheTank get his beef out ya mouth fam, it ain’t healthy. Drake is obviously hip hop, because hip hop is a genre with different kinds of artists under it. You, the bozo riding his meat and this dodo above you that wrote an entire 5 page essay trying to say he isn’t are both some lame mfs, get a grip and blow it fr.
I don’t think that’s fair well written for sure but I think he himself said it that he respects artists who can speak outside of themselves but he said he can’t his music relates to him his experiences and struggles I think his had a huge difficulty speaking outside of himself and that’s okay it was never his type of music to make . But expecting him to talk on such subjects even in posts isn’t a fair assessment his shared his piece before , he has supported it’s just more so behind closed doors , there’s variable charitable organisations he supports but aside from that wanting someone who grew up from all walks of life to specifically just focus on black struggle is an impossibilty this is a diverse human who grew up both whites and blacks and more actually and yes he identifies as black but ultimately wanted to show love and support to everyone isn’t a crime. Sometimes the whole world doesn’t need to know your doing something nice why should he seek that validation that’s weird
DMX left $16K behind for 10 kids to share. With all his Cultural impact he had, he died a Pauper. Knocking others who are Feeding their Families Better is and will always be Wack. Pick up a Microphone & Address the issues you are talking about, why Pressure someone else too when you can also do it...
Mos was saying that hip-hop is starting away from its foundation, and that, without that foundation the empire (hip-hop) will begin to crumble. And we are seeing that reality NOW
2:00:11 RIP Thomas Ford, had the pleasure of meeting him in ‘15 when he came out to support a nonprofit in Miami that guides disadvantaged youth towards a positive path.
What brother Yasiin Bey is speaking on, in totality, was about what will these pop artists will talk about and who will listen to them when the capitalist society crumbles. People like Drake can't speak to the people or on behalf of the people when the stuff hits the fan. Hip-hop comes from the ground swell, and Mos knows he don't represent the ground, the streets. Great point Joe with using Kendrick and Cole and how they're still revered amongst the OG's and MC's and the people!
Ice is wrong about the most def convo That’s not the point It’s about adding value to the content Having balance There were pop rap artists in the 80s & 90s So if u wanna say Drake surpassed these regions commercially then why is it hate to classify him as such Ya’ll can’t have it both ways So many things going on in the world and most of hiphop ignores it and we perpetuate critique as hate when it challenges ppl with money or success. As fans we even challenged Jay Nas and all our favs growing up so why should these new dudes be exempt
I’m mad at ish. Last pod this dude said 1 million dollars is not a lot of money WTF. There are a large majority of people that will never get a million dollars in their lifetime. That statement is very unsettling.
To say Kendrick and Cole haven’t reach the commercial success of drake it base.. yes if we’re looking to billboard chart and streams which drake have used to his advantage due to him being consistent but Kendrick has is the global.. Man go to South America, Europe , Asia and Africa feeling stadiums and arenas what are we talking here. For me Kendrick is one of them guys who have being successful without him being compromised in his artistic Me seeing and wetness peoples sing bars to bars to his MMBS album which peoples say it not sonically friend is taste mate of him being on of them guys who made without change the artistic style to carter to certain demographic
Just because someone doesn't share the same opinion/view as you on a topic, doesn't mean it's hate. Let's please leave that word in 2023. It's overly misused. If Mos believes Drake is Pop then that's his opinion. Also, Joe and others on this podcast have called Drake a the best pop artist in the world on multiple occasions.
