This same scale is a popular raaga in Indian Classical. It has a proper name and there are many songs composed in this scale. Its called 'Shivranjini raag'
@@JoshNpublicgplus Interesting reply, I noticed that the Akebono scale has a b7 as oppose to the major 6th shown in the video, they're enharmonic but it kinda has a different feeling to it, the kumoi on the other hand is pretty much exact (1 2 b3 5 6)
@@markymarco2570 No., it's called Shivranjani. It's been used for ages in Indian music, incl Bollywood music. Here's an example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q9ULWBTokzw.html
I have never heard music with such amazing colour as what I just heard. I can't describe the beauty of harmonies, it almost made my hair stand on end. I going to listen to a whole bunch of JC tonight. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to this.
Watch a couple videos of barry harris' 6th diminished scale and this will start to connect some dots. These scale tones come from the minor 6th diminished scale
I think this scale originated from the in-sen "scale" (it's a tuning of the koto) which originated in Japanese music. McCoy Tyner and Kenny Barron are also users of this scale.
I always messed around with Japanese scale because they seem so mysterious and yet so lamenting and you are absolutely right. The in-sen works as a minor 6 9 and if you base it on the 9th its a sus4 7 b9 chord. There is also the iwato scale and another one that's pretty similar but I can't remember the name
So glad I stumbled on this. Simply incredible! My theory is not at this level as I can’t understand the dynamics of this. But thank you. I can at least play it.
I learned it as the in-sen scale, Either way phenomenal transcription and etudes. What a great way to practice and digest it to get that sound in your pocket
Such a simple yet valuable idea. Great guitarist. Great horn .the narrator I'm not used to though I'm learning to like..,........... You have heard the doorbells of tomorrow
Works really well on inner urge for the fmaj7#11 you can use the d Coltrane scale ie the relative minor hadn’t thought of using it on so what thanks for the tip
new sub. Thanks for sharing this. 🙏👍🏼 I am a self taught musician, and this stuff is so great. I love being able to learn things *as I need them*, and at my own pace and way. Videos like this are priceless to me. 🐰🎸🎶❤️✌️
Brilliant video! Thanks for the inspiration. Thanks to Corona, I have no gig tonight and will grab my guitar right now to get off into the beautiful sound of this scale thanks to your lesson.
In a book that came back in print ( after Kurt Rosenwinkel cited working from it in an interview ) by Adelhard Roidinger called “ Jazz Improvisation & the Pentatonic” ( Advance Music ), this scale would be called “ Pentatonic b3 , mode 1 ( 1, 2, b3, 5, 6). There are six others that are not derived from the main one we know and think of when we hear the words “ the pentatonic scale “ and yet another 8 altered ones as well that are included. Thank you for this video . I was just working from this book and making little diagrams for guitar regarding this material. I have thoroughly enjoyed the regular content and am excited this guitar one has entered my feed ! Thank you
I'm going to be "that person" and mention that we should just call this pitch set what it is - a minor 6/9 arpeggio. Wes Montgomery made extensive use of this device well before Coltrane came up in the scene. It's particularly useful since it is a chord common to a variety of key centers!
yeah, but probably easier to think of it as 1 2 3 5 6 degrees of a melodic minor scale. This is just so that the superimpositions of the scale over different chords make more sense. For example, you can use the A coltrane pentatonic over a G# Altered chord the same way you would use A melodic minor over a G# Altered chord.
Joseph Whettam but isn’t major with a flat 3rd just the formulation for melodic minor? Both methods of thinking of this scale are valid, but as most jazz players already have their melodic minor scale down, I think it would be much easier to conceptualize it as being the pentatonic version of the melodic minor scale, rather than thinking of it as this entirely new pentatonic.
To conclude today's presentation we will try superimposing the Coltrane Pentatonic over the stunning solo chords of Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water... Kidding. Excellent video!
For my way of thinking it's better to see the C- Coltrane Pent as a Amin7b5-Arp + the 4th degree... great stuff as always Nick...many thanx for sharing your passion and huge knowledge..keep well and fit
Thanks Nick, I bought the digital package and am looking forward to working on these over the next month or so. Also, in the medium term, I would love to show some top Cuban muso friends the same so as to see what rhythmic spins they can introduce!
The perfect example of this may be had by listening to Stevie Wonder's Contusion on "Song of the Key Life" as played by the Great Mike Sembellos ("She's a maniac") particularly at the bridge ( D7#9 -Abma9; then D7#9 -GbMa-AbMa9)
Thanks Nick for this fantastic share that improved a lot my guitare playing;) Just bought the digital courses related to this Trane pintatonics witch are awesome ! May i suggest to include the PDF line in the guitar video to improve reading and playing at the same time? ( i know it is a lot of work but will definitely improve your courses) Bests 🎼🎷🎸
You can say, that is a part of dorian or melodic minor and you are right and is well for our understanding. But, if you play the 4th or the 7th, the sound of the "Coltrane Pentatonic" is lost. If you play the "normal" minor pentatonic, think you that comes from major?
It's interesting how, on dom7 alt, it omits *a* tritone, but it's not *the* tritone of the dominant. I.e. the omitted tones (vis straight alt scale) are the root and the b5 notes of the dominant. Not your father's avoid notes 😉. It's a good John sound.
yes D-7sus4b9 = D F A C G Eb right ,... however it is better to Think it as for exemple Ebma7/13(#11), in this case the notes are Eb, g,c,f,a,d and keep in mind that D-7sus4b9 = D F A C G Eb is the same, i think it makes it easier, and And B7alt is tritone sub of F7? yes it is correct the most important notes being Eb and A , if you want to be more precise the tritonus of B7alt is tritone sub of F13,....if you take the most important notes of each chord it will be : F ( Eb, A, D) ......or ...B, (Eb, A, D )...although puristes in the " theorie" in order to stay correct they would write D# for the third of B instead of writing Eb
Hello is it possible to purchase just this lesson with guitar tabs...tried downloading the preview link but that did not work...whatever...interested in purchasing this...thanks!
No, the omitted tones need to be altered based on the chord of the moment (perfect 4th, or Augmented 4th, Major or minor 7th). You are safe playing the pentatonic over all them.