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Scott McGill Outside Pentatonic Jazz for Guitar-John Coltrane McCoy Tyner Concepts 

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In this short mini session I demonstrate some of the Outside Pentatonic techniques of the great jazz innovators John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner and how we can adapt them to the guitar effectively. I apply these techniques to the Pentatonic Scale Positions that we already know on the instrument so that they are easily applied and assimilated into our playing. I utilize a few important concepts that were used by Coltrane on "Pursuance" and Tyner on "Passion Dance" among many others.
I was a student of ten years of Jazz Theorist/Pedagogue Dennis Sandole, teacher of John Coltrane, James Moody, Jim Hall, Pat Martino, and many other important jazz musicians. I have recorded and played with musicians such as Michael Manring, Percy Jones, and Jordan Rudess, and producers Neil Kernon and David Torn.

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@michaelchild3824
@michaelchild3824 27 дней назад
Fantastic! Thank you, thank you! Have heard this sound forever in the music I listen to, but I've never heard the concept behind it broken down so clearly. Big new vista in my development. Exciting. You'e THE man!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 27 дней назад
Thank you Michael and I am glad you found that of interest. Go for it and much more to come. Let's stay in touch!
@hermancharlesserrano1489
@hermancharlesserrano1489 3 месяца назад
I was getting a nice McLaughlin vibe…top notch lesson!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 месяца назад
Thank you and I cannot hide it--well spotted!!
@plectrumsoul
@plectrumsoul 10 дней назад
One of the common devices for substitutions over a dominant chord in jazz is to use the harmonic minor scale, 1/2 step above the chord over which you’re improvising, so supposing the chord was A7. You would use B-flat minor, again, because of the common tone of C# or D-flat, so the Fifth of B flat becomes the raised fifth of A, and the Bb itself becomes the flat ninth❤
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 10 дней назад
Well stated!
@walterschock1270
@walterschock1270 Месяц назад
Your clip regarding pentatonics has given me a tottaly new perspectice for me- very useful - often I have a hard time understanding - A big big BIG thank you, from me!!!!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Месяц назад
Walter, I am glad you found it of interest and found it helpful--many thanks and let's stay in touch!
@tr3ndkiller
@tr3ndkiller Месяц назад
Thank you!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Месяц назад
My thanks Nikolay!!!
@biffstronghold3926
@biffstronghold3926 Месяц назад
Great lesson, very well explained. Once you get into it you can really identify the sound of it being used in certain tunes.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Месяц назад
Thank you and yes you are right on. It is an identifiable sound the great have used. Many thanks!
@giorgioserci8387
@giorgioserci8387 2 года назад
Maestro!!! Excellent lesson as always...
@mysticmoose
@mysticmoose Месяц назад
This is so wild
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Месяц назад
TY MysticMoose!!!!
@steveburchfield5576
@steveburchfield5576 4 года назад
VERY USEFUL INFORMATION!!! THANKS SCOTT!!! PLEASE CONTINUE!!
@scottmcgill559
@scottmcgill559 3 года назад
Thank you--very kind!
@mintakaa6836
@mintakaa6836 4 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing! I look forward to exploring this further!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 4 месяца назад
TY very much Mintakaa and I am glad you find the material of interest. Much more to come!
@jcshirke
@jcshirke 7 лет назад
Terrific. Thank you.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
I appreciate it JC and lets keep in touch. Scott
@JerryCherryBand
@JerryCherryBand 3 года назад
I didn't know this trick. Awesome. Thank you. Great lesson.
@scottmcgill559
@scottmcgill559 3 года назад
TY!!!
@DavidePepi
@DavidePepi 4 года назад
Great lesson!! You are an awesome teacher man! You deserve way more subscribers!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thank you Davide!!
@mikeyo3230
@mikeyo3230 6 лет назад
Thanks. This is awesome.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Glad u find it useful!!
@R_Thomp
@R_Thomp 5 лет назад
Excellent lesson, thank you for sharing, love that sound!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thank you Ronald!!!
@R_Thomp
@R_Thomp 3 года назад
@@mtstyre7768 You're welcome!
@laf630
@laf630 8 лет назад
Fantastic Scott.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 8 лет назад
Thank you very much. Just "tasters" for the Skype sessions
@wobamusic
@wobamusic 5 лет назад
Hey Scott, recently I stumbled into one of your vids. This one opens now many doors for me. Thanx for shearing your knowledge and your sympathic personality... Kind regards from Germany
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
I appreciate it Wolfgang!!!
@wobamusic
@wobamusic 3 года назад
@@mtstyre7768 Hey Scott, thanks for your quick response ;-)) Do you use this concept mostly over modal situations or also in other changes (ii v i or Blues progressions e.g.) stay fit and kind regards
@michaelsolomon6594
@michaelsolomon6594 4 месяца назад
So dope!!! 🔥
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 4 месяца назад
TY Michael and I am glad you found it of benefit and interest
@alamooji3716
@alamooji3716 4 года назад
Broooo!!! Oh my gosh thank you!!!! Thank you! Brooo THANK YOU!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Glad u like it Ala!!
@petepachio
@petepachio 8 лет назад
Love it Scott
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 8 лет назад
Thank you Pete!
@ChuloDavidcito
@ChuloDavidcito 7 лет назад
Very interesting ideas, thanks! Some daunting chops you have, too! It reminds me of hearing John McLaughlin warm up for a show once. Absolutely frightening! :)
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Thank you very much Chulo and I am glad you enjoyed it.
@hexacorde
@hexacorde 6 лет назад
Great lesson. The sound reminds me a lot of the acoustic work Gambale did on some of the early Elektric Band albums.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thanks hexacorde!
@sumithramachandranwatchyou5045
@sumithramachandranwatchyou5045 4 года назад
Thank you 🙏
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
TY Sumith!
@LorenzoTosetti
@LorenzoTosetti 5 лет назад
Hi, thanks Scott, very nice and useful lesson!! I think that under this kind of "outside" technique, that is based on shifting from the minor pentatonic to the major pentatonic an half step below, there's the so called "modal interchange" from major to minor tonality. This is only my opinion. In fact if you harmonize for example C major scale and compare the diatonic chords to the relative chords of the corresponding minor scale, C minor scale, well, you find out that on 2 degrees of the scale you've a minor seventh chord in the major key that has a corresponding major seventh chord in the minor scale, but an half step below. C major7 goes to C -7, F major7 4th degree goes to F-7, instead at the sixth degree, eolian, A minor7 goes to Abmajor7. Also on the third degree, the prygian mode, we find an E-7 in the major key that goes towards an Ebmajor7 in the minor key. So you're applying pentatonics to this chords shifting from the major tonality to the relative minor and viceversa, alterning and mixing major with minor. This is maybe the reason that makes sound so nice this kind of movement, even if as you say, you don't have many tones in common between the 2 pentatonics! But our ear feels that there's a link, and major to minor and minor to major is a very powerful movement, it always works!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Great Lorenzo!!
@nosebone2861
@nosebone2861 7 лет назад
Very good teacher!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
I appreciate is very much. Let's keep in touch.
@ervinkovacs
@ervinkovacs Год назад
Thank you Scott! Thank you :)
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 6 месяцев назад
TY Ervin!!!!
@TimMirth
@TimMirth 6 лет назад
Great lesson. Particularly the phrasing you've worked on. Cheers
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thanks Tim--all phrasing stolen from McCoy Tyner
@edwinmclean6775
@edwinmclean6775 6 лет назад
I know mr. Scott McGill and I've always been a fan of him
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
My man!!
@marceli155
@marceli155 2 года назад
Thanks !
@scottmcgill559
@scottmcgill559 2 года назад
Thank you!
@marceli155
@marceli155 2 года назад
super I like that man !
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Год назад
TY!!
@steelplayer811
@steelplayer811 4 года назад
Scott, You are a fine teacher. May I suggest that you slow your playing down. Listen to Italian pop music from the 60's and incorporate those melodies and orchestrations into your playing for balance ,richness and added beauty.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thank you Michael!
@sidneyrichard5319
@sidneyrichard5319 7 лет назад
Thank you so much fot that! L&S mate. Plus several years of work ahead because that is a sound I covet. Score!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Thank you Sydney and I am glad it is of use to you.
@Gregorypeckory
@Gregorypeckory 5 лет назад
@@mtstyre7768 Fantastic source of knowledge and inspiration like all your lessons Scott; beautiful ideas!
@sidneyrichard5319
@sidneyrichard5319 7 лет назад
PS I think I also know why I like Hippityville by John Abercrombie and the basic change is just Em to Cm. Dorian and Jazz Minor modes work really nicely on the changes. It's a lot of fun.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Excellent!!!
@deparko
@deparko Год назад
Oh My God! My life is finally fulfilled. Something I've been searching for the longest time. I've been working on side stepping..etc but this makes a lot of sense!. totally agree with you observations, seamless side stepping..Thank you so much
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Год назад
TY and I am glad you found this useful
@shredder9819
@shredder9819 7 лет назад
These lessons are brilliant! I only live down the road in Portsmouth - would love to grab a lesson from you at some point if you're about?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Many thanks. Sounds great and we are in Hove or I do Skype too. Write me at www.scottmcgillguitar.com and let's make a plan to work together.
@plectrumsoul
@plectrumsoul 10 дней назад
Perhaps a link to Coltrane etc using this idea?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 10 дней назад
Yes and the Harmonic Minor with a raised 4th as well for that use.
@zile20584
@zile20584 7 лет назад
Great explanation, thank you for that. Regarding to this, as you explained if I could play, for example Fm pentatonic (G# major pentatonic) over A7, I wonder could I play Bb mixolydian over A7 in the same manner in order to create that outside sound?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
That's a good point Zile and the Fminor Pentatonic scale would resolve nicely to D Maj 7th as a dominant substitute as F# minor Pent. goes with D Maj7. Sort of like implying DbMaj7 going to D Maj 7.
@zile20584
@zile20584 7 лет назад
Thank you for the answer. Bb mixolydian/G# Phrygian actually have the same notes of Fm pentatonic and some of the Am pentatonic notes, and that's why I assumed that Bb mixolydian could be played over A Maj7 and create the same effect as you explained in the video.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
yes--very related--F min 7 as related to Bb7--excellent connection!!!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Yes indeed--especially if you play the ideas in sections--the Bb Mixolydian, as all other modes, have three pentatonic scales imbedded in them so those would be interesting to experiment with as well for your Major Chord. (Fm, Gm, Cm). Fm and Gm resolve by semitone to F#m over the D Maj resolution and Cm could go down by semitone to Bm. Very intersting and good one Zile.
@elkeism
@elkeism 3 месяца назад
(subbed) Regarding Maj outside, I got lost at Gb^7. What's the accompanied pentatonic, Gmin?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 месяца назад
Thank you for this. Actually, I used the A Major/F# Minor Pentatonic as before just using the Bb Minor as a sound over the Gb Maj7--I kept the "outside" pentatonic the same but just played it all over Gb Major7 as Bb Minor sounds well over it in general. I hope that helps! Wherever Bb Minor Pentatonic works use the same scheme.
@stilldreamin57
@stilldreamin57 Месяц назад
It does sound great when you play it at a reasonable tempo, but all this lightening fast picking? I can only take a few seconds of that before I just tune out. Just sayin'. But I am definitely looking forward to tryout out this Bbminor to AMajor fusion. Thank you, I subscribed and gave a thumbs up!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Месяц назад
Thank you Robert and duly noted. I think I get a bit too excited about this stuff at times. Please let me know how this works out for you and let's stay in touch. Much more to come.
@philipv4397
@philipv4397 7 лет назад
Thanks for the videos! Really enjoy 'em! I didn't quite catch the ending of this video? I get that you can play outside over a minor chord by playing the major pentatonic a half step below, but in the end you are talking about how you approach this when a major chord is being played? You say something about the fifth? :)
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Oh yes good question Philip. I merely made the Bb min Pentatonic Scheme to Gb Major 7th so I included the A Major as well as the outside element. I just glued the whole thing to Gb Major.
@philipv4397
@philipv4397 7 лет назад
Alright thanks for the answer :) I would love to see another video like this one with tips to play "outside" :)
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Thank you Phillip and hopefully more to come soon.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Thank you Phillip--coming soon!
@pichipachu
@pichipachu 2 месяца назад
damn!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much!!!!
@TheTwangKings
@TheTwangKings Год назад
Hi, very interesting discussion! Can you answer a question please... are both Bbm and Amaj Pentatonic played over Bbm7 chord?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Год назад
TY. Yes, that is it.
@adampasztor6187
@adampasztor6187 4 года назад
Hey Scott, Does this work with a one chord funk groove in am7, if I improvise with an "a" minor pentatonic and a-flat (g sharp) major pentatonic scales?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 года назад
Thats it Adam!!
@adampasztor6187
@adampasztor6187 3 года назад
@@mtstyre7768 Thank you! very useful (thumbs up)!
@tribalgenes
@tribalgenes 2 года назад
Nice lesson. This could also be expressed as minor pentatonics a major 3rd apart. By extension you could play all minor pentatonics off an augmented triad root motion. It sounds cool because it's somewhat like giant steps symmetrical harmony which is equal subdivision of the octave in major 3rds. In the example here, I would prefer to a compare two scales of the same type minor pentatonic of say Gb and Bb only because it stays all in flats.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 Год назад
Very nice Bill!!!
@michaeldumas4907
@michaeldumas4907 8 лет назад
would this work on "so what" dm to db? or "impressions"
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 8 лет назад
Yes indeed Michael and it sounds like a string pull back to the chord it substitutes for.
@jurdevries7393
@jurdevries7393 7 лет назад
Great lesson, thanks a lot! I was looking for this. Btw im also quite blown away by your seemingly effortless picking on these two note per string runs. Do you have any tips for practising this this technique wise? Blessings from Amsterdam!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Hello Jur, thank you for the kind words and I am glad you found this material useful. Good question and I would say try starting with an upstroke as sometimes that can help. Also, see if you can employ a consecutive pickstroke when you execute those runs. I hope that helps and please keep in touch Jur!!! Best Regards from the U.K., Scott.
@jurdevries7393
@jurdevries7393 7 лет назад
that makes sense, thanks :) ! Have a good day, and if youre ever in Amsterdam and looking for a place to jam, eat or sleep, let me know!
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Thank you Jur and much appreciated. We were there a few years back in The Hague and Amsterdam for a great Fretless Guitar Festival so lets meet if we get back. Best!!! Scott
@beeastman1235
@beeastman1235 7 лет назад
I wanna add outside playing to my blues rock like Scott Henderson does on his live trio album he plays over pretty static type grooves but sounds like he's implying 'other' chords
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Yes and that is excellent. These concepts are drawn from Coltrane and Tyner's work so they are perfectly applicable to the type of situation you mentioned.
@beeastman1235
@beeastman1235 7 лет назад
Is A major pentatonic same as A major scale?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
The Major Pentatonic Scale is the Root, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th degrees of the Major Scale. An A Major Pentatonic Scale is A, B C# E F#--the same tones as an F# Minor Pentatonic Scale.
@herbertespiritu2644
@herbertespiritu2644 7 лет назад
😀😀😀😀😀
@scottmcgill559
@scottmcgill559 2 года назад
TY Herbert!!
@contarnelson8469
@contarnelson8469 3 месяца назад
почему гитара не подключена!?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 месяца назад
It actually was--had to use a low volume in the house.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 3 месяца назад
На самом деле так оно и было. Мне пришлось использовать в доме небольшую громкость.
@rouschno1
@rouschno1 7 лет назад
where are you located?
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
Hello Rouschno1, I am an American in the U.K.. Brighton/Hove.
@rouschno1
@rouschno1 7 лет назад
Damn, that blows goats!! If you were in the States on the east coast I was going to see about buying a 6 to 8 hour block. I love what you are doing. I guess it will have to be Skype.
@rouschno1
@rouschno1 7 лет назад
Do you have any available slots and how many hours ahead are you? I am in Ohio so I am in the eastern time zone. Thanks.
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
I do and thank you for the inquiry. It would be great to work with you and EST is fine. Please write me and we will secure a time. I am five hours ahead and work with many in the US in different time zones. smcgillguitar@yahoo.com
@mtstyre7768
@mtstyre7768 7 лет назад
I do have availability Rouschno. Please write me on Facebook and we can discuss. It would be a pleasure to work with you. facebook.com/scott.mcgill.90
@Guitarramistica
@Guitarramistica 3 года назад
I could barely hear each note especially since he plays it so fast, Maybe amplify a little that guitar?
@scottmcgill559
@scottmcgill559 3 года назад
Yes--too quiet--my neighbours were tough
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