The Knights Templar: Origins and Downfall - Separating History from Myth 

Carlos E R Pimentel Convento de Cristo... I was there this summer in June 2018... the Aqueduct leading into Tomar is magnificent ...just miles away! The stronghold Templar castle at Armoroul is fascinating! Thank you Carlos!!!!

Neither were the Templars suppressed in Scotland.

This is new information to me. But very valuable. Thank you!!! I'll be looking into this.

Very weird. Had messages 12 years ago in Portuguese . As to warn about now.. it's to do with abuse ....to the feminine....

Also as in your messages aquaducts as well. Very weird messages.... It was to prepare for what's taking place now....

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Thanks, glad to hear it!

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We need to bring back harder farming and military training so that kids will stay out of trouble. And also so we can retake Europe with real humans and suicide drones.

Lots of digging and building defenses.

Masons, founding fathers... and Templars. DO NOT fit in the same sentence. Those "wanna be" organizations appropriate of the name and even symbols on their own. Without connections or relation. Just a bunch of "wanna be" wishful tinkering. Or kids playing with their aprons! ;-)

>only sometimes, the frech are crazy people

France did not exist in the 12th century, beyond a small enclave surrounding Paris. Northern France was occupied by Frankish, Norman, and Franco-Norman, and Flemish kingdoms. The east of France included Burgundy and the south the County of Tolouse, which was the richest and most powerful state in old Roman Gaul. The south of France owed its allegiance to the King of Aragon and later to the King of England. Modern France came about as a result of the efforts of Capetian kings and their Franco-Norman allies during two major periods of conflict: the Albigensian Crusade of 1209 to 1229, which greatly weakened the counts of Toulouse, and the 100 Years War, which accept for Pas de Calais ended English Angevin control of Aquitaine, Normandy, Britany, Gascony, and all of modern western France. The modern concept of France did not emerge untill the mid-14th century, although a King of France had existed since 1190.

French is not a race, it's a culture, French language had a official status in Brittany even before the Kingdom of France, Normans are among the firsts to adopt French culture and language after the Franks, way before the 12th century. Normans after invading England replaced the high clergy of England with French speaking clergymen, mostly from the Paris region. I can read Normans langue d'oil (old French) from the 11th century, It's actually closer to modern French than old English is from modern English. Even if the modern concept of France was not really there it would be impossible to have a title of kingdom of France without a France existing. The Fact that vassal states of France where not French did not negate France existing. We should not regard history trough our modern lens of what a state now is but we should look at it from their perspective of what state affairs where in that time. French culture was extended way beyond the royal domain of the King of France in the 12th century, Picardie, Champagne, Anjou, Britanny, Normandie, Orléans, Blois, Berry, and more.

@@lazyfrog6774 lots of detail requiring considerable thought but RU-vid isn't the medium for a proper response because the subjects upon which you touch defy simple explanation. A coup li e of comments. I'm sure the French view themselves as an ethnicity, langyage group, and a culture. The French language did not exist before roughly the 13th century inasmuch as Old French was not used as a descriptor. Since French language or culture, at ke and sf t we we think of it since roughly 1600 did not exist in the 12th century or before, it was not adopted by anyone. Trying to explain this complex history in this space is beyond my limits of patience. Since you can read Old French then you would know that it is closer to Vulgar Latin than it is to modern French, with one of its mportant similarities to the former being use of all possible word order. The relationship of Old English to modern English does not seem relevant so I won't comment on that point. As for the concept of France.... this is a most interesting poin. I think here we are talking about perception are we not? You address a matter of perception, and in this you are quite correct about the existence of a Frankish, or French if you wish, enclave or region, where ethnicity, language, and culture developed into a coherent whole over many centuries. When it thought of itself as a whole is debatable. Thus, I can't say you are wrong. Depending upon one's perception, you could be correct. As a point of historical fact, however, my comment is also correct, since I can point to facts proving my point.

@Mr. X The Order of Templar was created by Hugues de Payns during the Concile de Troyes, by a French in France, dumbass

Lol. Different time periods, right?

There's a few reasons why people consider it, which I can understand. Masonry only has one degree which is called the Knight Templar.

No we're not

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+Real Crusades History What about the Masons, excommunicated from the Catholic Church, which has a group dedicated to Jacques de Molay? What's the connection?

+Car1Sagan I've never heard of a GROUP being excommunicated by the See, only individuals. How do you know this actually happened?

+Jerky Bogis It is well documented. Don't forget that the Catholic Church prior to Martin Luther was very different than it is now. In fact the "Pope" that commissioned the Vatican Church that stands today was a fornicator and a terrible sinner. Extremely worldly compared with today's line of Popes which are a tiny bit more behaved. (although the scandal that got the dour Ratzinger kicked off the papal throne is a hint that sexual sin has not entirely left the Vatican)

I know Devil push you to attack Church,Christianity and Popes but you are boring...Boring...B o r i n g.....Find some site about protestant cult and spread your childish fantasies there. Please fat Martin.

+sime skelin-CROAT the popes of the renaissance waged wars for territory. Against Christian's in Italy no less.

It's not 'those lower religious classes' that are repeating and making up myths about the templer knights.

Friday oct. 13th at dawn 1307 ad is when they were taken into custody, on orders of king Phillip Lebel. Both he and pope Clemant the fifth coveted their riches. Of wich they got very little.

Not sure about the book but there is a pretty accurate tv show called Resurrection Ertugrul

HenrySims in portugal, yes. And many were absorbed into the knight's hospitaller

HenrySims Many, if not most. They lived at the Convent of [the Order of] Christ in Tomar. Check it here: watch?v=9CjMAiCrfu0

Many of them fled to Scotland because the whole country was excommunicated

Trump salt mining Inc. stories hint at their presence at the battle of Bannockburn when Robert Bruce led the Scots folk against Edward ll. I've never seen solid evidence of this although there is plenty evidence of Templars in Scotland elsewhere.

Grandson of Sam NiFDy yes, Roslyn abbey (I've spelt it wrong probably) in Scotland is rumoured to have some of the Templar treasure buried underneath it

I suspect that the interviewer is as it is his series. None the less this history is good and one need only to consider that as just some context to the presentation.

***** Without a doubt. However, they usually found themselves on the same side as the Templars and other Europeans, because they had a common enemy in the Sunni Caliphate.

+Ox AO seriously? An video game, u gonna make an fictional video game reference. that's some ignorance...smh

Ben noneofyourbeeswax I corrected a mistake. By your comment you seem to think mistakes are acceptable.

they still exist

Ox AO they were nizari ismaeali Shia Muslims both Sunnis and Shia twelvers considerd them infidels so basically they were feared for there assassination techniques both crusades and Muslim Sunni elites feared them they even tried to assassinate Saladin

.....Ermm no, though many depict the crusaders to be demons the jihadists were just as bad, I love crusader history, but don't be so hilariously blinded. Ever hear of the 4th crusade? The butchering of Saxony? The crusaders are just like the rest of us: human, and to call them angels is ridiculous. Were some crusaders just? sure, but you can't call all of them angels, many were in fact terrible people. Same with the Saracens. Don't be a sheep.

​@@jackfrench6509 Charlemagne was a Templar?

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Knights Templar are good

@@porkchop2325 I agree. Protecting pilgrims is a noble cause.

+Amestris The author of the song was off by a few degrees, the Muslims worship the Arab Moon God, not the Mithdridic Sun God that the Catholics now worship under a different name....

Go find rattle snake and pray in the Mall. It's real Christianity. Drunk sodomist heretic sinner Martin Luther was successful in job given by his boss Devil and it was attack Jesus Christ's Church,universal Church,only Church,Catholic Church. After prayin the Mall go watch TV preacher and collect money to invest in Mason order companies at the stock market.

Gershorn - Catholics worship the Trinitarian' God, the God who in the form of Jesus became 'The Word made Flesh'; the creator/maker of all but Himself.

I heard a theory that Templars financed the building of cathedrals all over Europe and hired the Freemasons to build them. And the Freemasons imitated the Templar rituals and also sheltered some Templars from the Friday the 13th purge.

Eyelash85 the roots and names of current all Businees.

"...link between the Templars and the Freemasonry?" NONE There's ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION, other then the "wanna be" Freemasons try to unlawfully appropriate of names and symbols. Kids role playing with their aprons if you will. ;-)

the order of demolay is a youth organization founded by a mason named Frank S. Land. He was concerned about the growing population of fatherless boys following WW1, and felt he could help. the order is based on the ideals demolay is felt to have died for, namely fidelity and honor. hope that's what you were asking? I apologize if not.

Silver Slingblade - What's the connection? NONE whatsoever. Just because a group "self entitle" themselves as something. Doesn't mean anything else then a bunch of wanna be "kids" roll playing to their amusement. Appropriation of names and symbols can be done by anyone with less scruples. Without any sanction from the original. The so called Freemasons is a prime example of this unlawful appropriation.

Mostly langue d'oil, (old French) as a usual language but I'm pretty sure many of them knew or understood Latin.

My understanding is that those from Francophone friendly places, pre- France, spoke Occitanian. The Emperor of Rome is said to have told his court that the peoples of Auvergne spoke better Latin than Romans. With Occitan, oc is yes rather than oui. The First Crusade was decried from this very place, Auvergne. The little France surrounded by France. Sorry, poor translation.

All official writing, and religious services and such during this time were in latin, so I am sure that they probably educated members to at least read and understand the basics, but they didnt use it in every day interaction and speech.

Yes

fellow knights:)

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It condemns the french king not the church.The church has always understood itself as divine but prone to human fallacy.Divine as it’s the church the gates of hell will not prevail against and imperfect because it is run by humans.We should not throw the baby out with the bath water

But the oldest known evidence for the coexistence of humans and cats was found in Cyprus and dates back to 9500 years.

+Highgate Angel yes, and his speaker, Paul, actually says what you say about 'facing east.' The perception from the European view was that Muslims face east to pray- a reasonable perception given where the crusaders came from. And yes, Christianity is properly speaking, an eastern religion that spread in all directions, and subsequently became the basis for western society and so became associated with the west. So you are right on that one.

I guess you're not counting Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Jainism and, of course, Hinduism- which calls itself "the world's oldest religion".

Highgate Angel you would face North in Kenya

This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

Highgate Angel Some historians actually consider Islam a western religion and also Judaism in contrast to the Indian and East asian religions/philosophies...I guess they do this considering our history is much more intertwined with the cross vs the crescent being probably the longest ongoing conflict in human history.

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N recognized by the pope in 1139