I think you guys are being too harsh here. While it is true that going into the show with high expectations was setting yourself up for disappointment, it is perfectly valid to be upset the show had no references to the game’s lore or focused more on Knuckles. I just don’t understand why this has to be a zero-sum game with you guys, where the movie franchise is fine as long as it makes money and just kids like it. Why can’t we please everyone? The MCU (back in its glory days) did this spectacularly. You think general audiences knew who Thor or Captain America were? These characters became household names when the MCU movies made them appealing to the masses. So, older comic book fans were happy to see their favourite characters depicted accurately on the big screen, while newer, younger fans learned to love them and expose themselves to the world of comics. Everyone wins. But, the Sonic movies as they are only seem to appeal families leaving very little for veteran fans who want to see some of the better aspects of this franchise adapted faithfully. You guys even sounded excited at the prospect of a Shadow show set in the Space Colony Ark with Maria. Doesn’t that sound cool? So why can’t we do better? But, oh well. I guess it doesn’t matter cuz these movies make lots of money. Those pesky sonic fans online are just being entitled…. For the record, I’m not one of those people who went in the Knuckles show with a checklist of things I wanted to see. I went in with an open mind and simply didn’t like what I saw. It’s whatever to me. I’m glad we’re gonna get more movies and that they’ve been successful, but I do have a lot of empathy for everyone who’s been disappointed with the writing and the human stuff in this franchise so far. Dismissing everyone as entitled is just too harsh. We can have films and shows that pleases both sides.
Tbh I thought the Knuckles show was awful. Hard to watch and completely loses focus 3 episodes in and never recovers. I didn't go off on it or anything, I watched it, thought it was absolutely terrible and then moved on with my life.
14:08 Sonic X and Sonic Prime are the closest people got to an actual Sonic show the rest are just comedies and I don't have a problem with comedies it's just that they don't feel like the Sonic games at all.
As someone who liked the show, I think all the criticisms are still valid. They wanted to make a show for everyone completely removed from Sonic, but knew nobody would watch it without the presence of Sonic characters. I enjoy in the way that its the television equivalent of a shitpost
All I'm gonna say is... imagine making a career for yourself in analysing and critiquing media, much of it for children, then indulging points like "they just didn't get what they were expecting, so they're babies for being annoyed about it". Ok.
I think at that point it's worth considering your own words! If someone is to constantly shit on a show with their only method of solution being to describe an entirely different show than what was promised, then I would describe that as being upset they didn't get what they wanted! I also remember saying in this Podcast that if someone were to not enjoy the Knuckles show for the writing/pacing/whatever then that's completely valid, I don't think I ever acted like ALL criticism was to be met with that response. I think I remember you calling the people who liked the Knuckles show "idiots" plenty of times, yet when confronted it was passed off as nothing but hyperbole and that it should be expected on the internet, I don't understand why you're given that privilege but I'm not. If someone, like you did, called me an idiot for not liking the Knuckles Show then I wouldn't care that much, I don't get why "baby" is deemed as such a harsh insult lol
this doesn't make any sense. mark and veronica are here talking about the show and other kids series on its quality for what it is. even talking about how appealing it is for kids or not and if it succeeds as a kids show or kids movie. i've not known them to review kids media based on their own needs and wants. or at least when they do, they say what they would have liked to see and "well it's not to my taste but here's what i do appreciate" and still give props to what the show did well instead
you guys did act like babies toh. I'm sorry but calling out people for daring to like it,starting a mass bully toward them. Sure nobody deserves to receive this treatment ,but you guys got what you threw (Undeserved obviously,like it was undeserved how much of hate the show got,and the people who liked it got). Next time,act more like critics instead of calling shills or idiots whoever liked a product even if it wasn't "SUPER OUTSTANDING LORE WISE!". It has flaws,heck it has but you guys and your parrots made it look like it was the worst sonic piece of media ever,when is nowhere near it. And don't get me started on the "Sonic creators meme cycle",the most "LOOK AT ME,IM THE VICTIM!" thing ever. That said,hope both side,next time will be civil about it and instead of freaking out,or crying in front of a camera about A MINI SERIES,they are level headed and give paramount some real criticisms [thank any polite person who didn't like the series who did it. ]instead of throwing a baby tantrum
I'm surprised you guys didnt talk about wades family much, especially her sister which is funny how everyone has united to agree she's the worst character in all of Sonic 😂, and also the ledgend pistol Pete
1:57 Jeff Fowler is an exception ( the director of the movies ). He admitted to be a Sonic fan and worked on the Shadow cgi cutscenes in Shadow The Hedgehog (2005).
Tbh I think blaming sonic fans for putting their expectations too high as the reason the show isn’t really liked online isn’t a good reason. I watched this show multiple times with friends who don’t really care that much about Sonic as an entire franchise and had absolutely no expectations for this show and they thought it was just bad. The show is just bad full stop, we all agreed the show didn’t know if it wanted to be an action romp or a family comedy and both sides didn’t mix well together. The side characters were boring at best and painfully unfunny and unlikeable at worst. Sure it had some funny moments and really good action scenes in some episodes but it was usually either boring or painfully unfunny for the most part. Also I think people being upset that show called Knuckles not having much of him is a completely valid complaint.
That much is true, but my concern with most people's expectations for the movie franchise is that they see so many characters and plot inclusions that I'd personally rather just wait for another animated sonic show/movie to be made. If they decided to make live action sonic movie, then I say just let them do what they can because I'm not expecting 20 cgi sonic charcters to be in one movie
I wasn't expecting the show to be the most ambitious and most lore heavy thing ever because I mean... it's the sonic movie franchise. More than anything I was expecting the show to be pretty unbearable to watch since I wasnt a fan of sonic movies 2's writting and humor. And while that was sorta true, I was in disbelief and how much I kinda enjoyed it for its weird charm and Wade's and Knuckles friendship. It reminded alot about what I liked from the first sonic movie with its simplicity. I can understand the hate this show is getting but I just think people should hold off on some of their expectations on this live action hybrid franchise. Either way, I'm really not that impressed with how the movie franchise is going. Hope the third movie will surpise me though
I want a children’s picture book called “Knuckles Saves Shabbat.” And I want to read it to children, not just at Synagogue but everywhere. To make it clear that Knuckles the Echidna supports Jews
I'm starting to think the reason why many people, especially Sonic fans, don't like the show is because they'd much prefer their favorite Mobians on screen ALL THE TIME and god forbid one of them gets shafted for a human, given they've probably grown to hate human characters in the Sonic universe ever since... I would say either Sonic X or 06.
11:54 Yeah how does Sonic know that? He never had TV on his home planet and he never had a TV in his cave either he's never seen a Fast and Furious movie.
Loved in the final episode of the knuckles show when Wade Whipple uses the Power of Bababooey to win the bowling tournament 😌 Game recommendation: Mario kart double dash, because the 2 player mode would be fun to see (yknow where one person drives and one throws items and you can switch)
Yeah I liked the show a lot, i knew what to expect from it too though. Definitely wish there was more knuckles and I thought it was gonna set up for movie 3 a bit more. It's a good show and I enjoyed it though.
I mean when the show was announced I was expecting a solo Knuckles Show with some extra information on his past but what we got was fine I guess the rock opra was pretty cool tho
I bet when the third Sonic movie comes out, the same people who complained about this show will about how the film was a disgrace because it wasn't just Sonic Adventure 2 The Movie.
I think you guys are being a bit dismissive of actual criticisms some people have. My problem with this series wasn’t that it wasn't faithful enough to the games, my problem was that Knuckles clearly wasn't the main character and he barely even interacted with Wade after episode 2. I was down for a simple Knuckles and Wade buddy comedy, but that’s not what this was.
The Super Mario RPG remake would be pretty interesting to see played. Because in my opinion it's the perfect length for an RPG and the overall feel of the game is perfect.
I 100% agree with the comparison to the first movie because unlike sonic 2, the first movie and knuckles actaully take the time to let the characters have a character arc that is given time to breathe through the slower human scenes rather than just going from set peice to set peice with a thinly planted arc of sonic needing to learn to be a "hero" (even tho he was perfectly conpetent at that by the end of the first movie)
I'd love to see you guys play Mother/EarthBound Beginnings. It's one of my favorite games of all time because I love its story and nonlinearity. Although since it's an RPG, it takes about 6 hours if you know what you're doing... I guess watching you play Kirby or something else would be cool, too.
Since you brought the show up, I honestly don't like Sonic Prime, because it took the really cool concept, and they did nothing with it. It could've been a cool crossover with the different Sonic continuities, but noooooooo, we had to get a generic-ass kids show but with the Sonic brand painted over it.
I was surprised by how much this show got me to care about wade, I wish Knuckles got a little more time though. The flames of disaster part caught me off guard cause I didn’t expect a spin off to pull lore from 06 of all games.
The knuckles show was really boring honestly, like it felt like someone writing sonic into a sitcom because "it my dream for sonic to be real!" I honestly forgot it existed until this episode brought it up
Knuckles for me is like the Friday movies. Dumb brain mush that you eat and chill with. Would I have wanted more Sonic shit as a fan? Absolutely, but I've come to terms with the fact that these will never be the Sonic movies I would want, and I'm okay with that. It's a goofy side dish for a goofy movie franchise for families first and foremost (Also anyone who wanted to see the Chaotix are fake fans of the game and should be legally obligated to 100% it)
I expected nothing from this show lol, I knew what exactly what it was, when I heard its gonna be about knuckles training wade, and they somehow managed to surprise me by making it about wade and his dad problems and a bowling tournament 😂, this show is just meh, its not good but i didn't hate it much, I guess I just enjoy anything with movie knuckles in it, I'm so happy that knuckles was not flandirzed I'm shocked that they didnt dumb him down in this show surprisingly
I wondered if you would talk about the knuckles show on your podcast. Also, about the collab I reached out to you a while ago, could you please give me a response. Many thanks.
Its because of how most podcasts are made in bulk and released over a period of time so they can have a lot of content. Like the normal mark videos can come out more concurrently because its just him making the video but in this you need Veronica. So for things involving collabs in general like let's plays they make in bulk and release it like a tv show.
