Imagine if Tau learned that kroot eating a bunch of navigators would allow them to do actual warp travel instead of small warp jumps, opening up the entire galaxy to the greater good. Wonder if they would actually attempt the attacks on imperial ships needed to foster the required traits. Either way it's an interesting possibility.
Think it may just be simpler to genetically engineer a sub caste from the air caste to have that gene then to rely on the Kroot. But the requirement may just be the same any way.
Kroot already have advanced Warp Technology far in advance of the Tau. That's why they are exploring the Greater Galaxy while the Tau are stuck in the Galactic South. The fan theory is they got it from eating Orks. The Kroot keep this a deliberate secret from the Tau, whether they think this is doing the Tau a favor by restricting them, or because the Tau refuse to share their more advanced technology is up for debate.
One of the first "epiphanies" i had when i started learning about 40K was that if you take a Kroot and combine them with Tau tech then you'll make a Predator (Like the movie Predator). I don't why but ever since then I just want to see that happen to some level. Like ffs Tau, get your boys some upgrades!!!!
Theres a pretty rad story where the kroot are asked to save some tau and so they ransack the armory and take everything including broken tau tanks and suits. For the most part though the kroot choose not to upgrade as they like the low tech ways
Ackshuually when combing Tau and kroot if you take the avian beak and thin but strong build of a kroot. Then combine it with the blue skin and hooves of a Tau you get a tzangor with no horns. You can sort of get the horns from the kroot porcupine quills on their heads.
@@robberyproductions1363 it's not that story but in For the Emperor, I think Amberley Vail quotes from an in lore book (Warrors of Pesh) saying that they prefer not to use Tau tech.
Kroot: "You're what's for dinner" Kroot seem to view Empire building as ultimately self defeating. Seeing the Tau and Human Empires as constantly under siege from all sides and having to waste resources to simply survive. Kroot meanwhile maintain few permanently holdings in the Galaxy, including Pech that they consider sacred, while other locations are merely meeting grounds or trading posts that can easily be wrapped up moved. This is partly why the Imperium doesn't consider them a threat, because for the most part the Kroot don't threaten the Imperium or its territory. Their ships are also fascinating as the Warspheres are bioplants. They scoop up a part of jungle and encase it in metal turning into a spacecraft with a living ecosystem. They are also the only capital class ships in 40k that can land on planets. The working fan theory is that Orks invaded Pech at some point in the recent past (roughly 1000 years ago) and consuming Ork DNA is what gave Kroot their advanced technology. As a lot of what they use does draw similarities to both Orkoid and Tau tech. Their Warp technology is far in advance of even the Tau's which is why Kroot are exploring the greater galaxy while the Tau are still stuck in the Galactic South. Ironically the Kroot don't share this technology for the same reason the Tau don't share there's. They both think of each other as to primitive to deserve it. The Tau think of the Kroot as backwater Tribal savages while the Kroot think of the Tau's empire and territorial conquests as ultimately self defeating. They honestly believe they are doing the Tau a favor by keeping them stuck in that area of the galaxy.
Well ... considering the galaxy in 40k and the state of warp travel ... those Kroot really ARE doing them a favor. Besides assuming the galaxy is still there in another millenia ... the Tau will have figured out a means of FTL that doesnt use the warp at all. Or make craft world sized sub light colony ships because a small planetoid /trade hub that can just get up and leave is way easier to defend.
I remember reading a list of “common Xeno” races for the Imperium to encounter in an older Dark Heresy book. Under Kroot, it read: “Kill them Last” Honestly, that is possibly the *nicest* thing I could ever see the Imperium say about an alien race
@@transhumanhivemind3048 Inquisitor: “Now I’m not saying we like these bird cannibals, that would be *heresy* . I’m just saying having a couple dozen of them around that happen to be shooting the guys we’re shooting and all they want are the corpses… wouldn’t be bad to put off shooting *them* till later”
Guardsman: “Sir why are we not killing these xenos?” Inquisitor: “Because Guardsman, they are the only useful xenos.” Guardsman: “But I thought you the only good xeno is a dead…” Inquisitor: “Let me finish. And after they help us kill all the others we will kill them.” Guardsman: “Oh now I see.”
Actually, they'd find Catachan to be a small private Hell. Most of the lifeforms on that planet are devolved Tyranid bioforms, including the plants; in fact, the only edible thing on that world would be the Human colonists.
@@anthonylamonica8301 its devolved so much that it has no conenction to hive mind anymore , so kroot could happily eay it without becoming a bunch of genestealers
This is the kind of shit that make me hate companies that have the potential to go balls to the wall (even in a contained closed stories) but don't. Like do this then exterminatus the planet!
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Slowly happens with the Tau. But many Xenos races do not have large presence in the Warp. Compared to say Humanity. So for now. Humans it is. Cause they everywhere.
I think it’d be hilarious if Black Library put out a Tyranid adventure book that just said “nom nom nom” for 324 pages. (It’d definitely be better than “Ruinstorm”.)
,Indrick Boreale jokes aside a good book would be about the Zoats, and their rebellion against the Tyrinids before being fuck by the Empire of man for actually being the only good guys other than Tau
Fun fact in the recent Liber Xenologis book alot of kroot variants were finally depicted including a brawny, flying and aquatic version. Now wtf those are not present in the tabletop is anyones guess
The lore does not match the games. I'd love to see Kroot become more of a thing than just a Troop type in the Tau codex. And maybe the rules can match the lore, like each unit being allowed to up one stat at the cost of another (like +1 S +1 Ld, or +2 M +1 T).
Tyranid: food bingers Kroot: health nuts with intricate diet plans Either way they are what they eat and I love them!! Wonder what happens when the kroot try eating some of the exotic races like the rakgol.
There was some cool short story that had a tau commander ask a kroot shaper to eat fish so they would grow gills and went some cool water based commando fight against the imperium
That bit of lore is still the funniest shit to me that a space marine could paint himself purple and as such orks wouldn't be able to see him as well just as they think it's a stealthy colour but an ork trying the same to anyone else would just get themselves shot same thing, the imperials just need to breed a load of orks to go around spreading rumours to make the imperial soldiers more powerful against orks.
"Kroot were hardy, strong and agile" "the Kroot had to devour a lot of Ork bodies which turned them into strenght and resilience" - M7 S3 T3 W1 Ld6 - yeah agile it is.
Used to be 2 attacks at strength 4. Not amazing, but a good only choice for melee. Then they halved the kroot's attacks and let them ignore 5+/6+ saves as if they had been overpowered. Dropping the strength down to 3 makes me wonder if gw's codex authors even know what the kroot battlefield role is supposed to be.
Oh certainly hell the orks, nids, chaos and necrons could all probs do it by themselves their own but they spend too much time murdering eachother especially orks necrons and chaos and without a proper leader that can bring them together like the silent king or horus or one of the bigger warmasters or the orks they're never a proper threat but the imperials tend to cut the head off the snake causing the many subfactions of these races go back to killing eachother for fun or power and then ultimately achieving nothing.
@@HalIOfFamer yeah your right tbh the amount of times the imperium has hobbled itself or just done stupid shit that's Caused themselves mire harm then good, the inquisition, the age of strife so much dumb shit from all factions but I think thats quite realistic really most Waring factions have different parties in them wanting their own agenda in real life too.
Most races have differences between factions that make working as one impossible long-term. It's probably a good thing for the writers. They can make a size OP af for a limited time for story reasons, then nerf them after. For example Chaos when it's united.
The necrons, IMO, would be the only group that could. Humanity is ridiculously OP when you look at the "Numbers" and well, are seriously hampering themselves also. I mean, it's ridiculous to think of the tech that is there but not being researched. I mean it's stupid but the 1000 marines per unit thing is supposed to be legit and they send like five to defend or take back a planet. I think major kill did a vid on it but basically if you see two space marines fighting it's that battle scene in dragon ball where you can't follow the action and all you see are lines jumping around the screen.
@@MrThatpersonthatguy seeing as how the lion is just laying around on a stone table. It's like the angels are just setting up a meal for when the Kroots find him.
Would love to see a short story or something related to some high class croot sub-race, that focuses on min-maxing their genetics, mostly through the gathering of eldar, ork and space marine corpses.
I would like a story of a kroot Who has eaten a bit too much psyker buns and became a wizard. That has The potential of being absolutely horrific and comedic.
I'm clapping my hands for your ability to make a ten+ minutes on the Kroot. They are super cool but I wouldn't have thought there was that much info on them.
There is a part in the "Fire Caste" novel where a bunch of guardsmen encountered some fungus-infested kroot. I recommend everyone to look up that excerpt, it's one of the most unsettling, creepy, and most badass kroot scenes in the lore. It shows how terrifying it is for humans to fight kroots.
It was strange how in table top the Kroot were S4 but the rest of their stats were guardsmen stats. Now they are the same stats as Catachan Jungle Fighters. So how could they be better than them? The already morphed Kroot is understandable.
I’m imagining a story about a Kroot taking on exceedingly dangerous missions for an employer due to them promising said Kroot a vial of Primarch blood, which is probably something like the magnum opus of DNA for Kroot who truly understand what a Primarch is.
I wonder if, after a battle with Space Marines or other rarer threats, their corpses are offered to Kroot willingly by the Tau in order to benefit their allies.
Heh, good synopsis, but you didn't mention that Kroot have also gotten really skilled at the Hired Gun business, like, to the point where in Kill Team they get a couple of special abilities related to their blood money business acumen. Leaders of Farstalker Kindred are even called "Kill Brokers".
Speaking of xeno races, I created a fantasy world with my own races, the one Im the most proud of is probably the cave goblin. They have toepads that help them cling to the walls so that they can reach those sweet mushrooms, bat-like ears that help them find prey, and giant eyes that help them take in as much light as possible when the sun goes down and they leave thier caves. When they do leave the caves, they massacre and devour anything that they can fit in thier mouths. They can speak a very primitive version of the common tongue and they can use a few tools but they have no idea how to make thier own.
Fun fact: The scientific community now consider birds and dinosaurs as basically the same thing. It's been found that the DNA of many dinosaurs is extremely similar to birds. So similar that the difference is roughly the same as that between ancient crocodiles and modern ones. Both of which we consider as the same general animal; one just got a lot bigger mostly due to environmental factors.
All birds are dinosaurs ultimately, but I would advise staying away from saying the "same general animal" for them or crocodiles. The problem with dinosaurs and birds is obvious but crocodylomorphs used to be very diverse and modern crocodilians are still quite noticeably different from them, even if the same niches are being filled. Also, considering we don't really have proper Dinosaur DNA not sure what that statement is about, it is hypothesized they are similarly due to the proven relation, not the other way around.
@@merpking748 No. You missed my point entirely. In the last couple years we have sequenced quite a few strands of dinosaur DNA and the general consensus among the top biologists in the field is that birds are not descendants of Dinosaurs. Birds are dinosaurs. They are the same thing. The group we define as birds is the exact same group that dinosaurs would be in. And idk where you got your crocodile information, but crocodile DNA has not changed for millions of years. The Crocs here now are the same Crocs since pre-humanity. If you look back far enough, shit changes. But even then, the traits that make a croc a croc, are the same. Species differ, but the group crocodiles are in is the same one they have been in since prehistoric times. Edit: We began finding DNA from dinosaurs in 2020. This is a very new occurrence.
@@Loserstakethebait Descendant and grouping are not that important to distinguish phylogenetically, so I wasn't debating that, merely pointing out that "modern dinosaurs" are very different from "prehistoric dinosaurs", as are modern dinosaurs to eachother and prehistoric dinosaurs to eachother, etc. etc. That dinosaur DNA you speak of is a valid discovery but is so old that you can't conclude much useful from it so while neat it doesn't change our current understanding of their relation to birds, that was my argument. When it comes to crocodiles, they are also not the same. They may appear to be similar on the surface but DNA is ALWAYS changing, mutating, evolving. Those past crocodlians and crocodylomorphs are fundamentally different from current ones as the modern crocodlian lineage only appeared in the late Mesozoic in actuality.
@@merpking748 You say all of this, but you are providing no evidence. Just acting like you know something. Crocodiles are one of the animals that have not changed for millions of years. Again, if you look back far enough sure. But modern Crocs have been around since before humans have. And you're acting like environment plays no role in development. Insects are the size they are now because of the environment, same with reptiles and birds. Increase the heat and raise oxygen levels and they'll grow way bigger. We know this. Just like how mammals and fish tend to grow bigger in colder environments. Though there are exceptions. I just find it odd that you're trying to correct me, yet you're making unknowable claims yourself. Edit: prehistoric is a term to describe time before history was ever recorded... The mesozoic was prehistoric and was millions of years ago. Why even go out of your way to say I was wrong, when you just proved me right?
@@Loserstakethebait I never argued anything about environment because you were entirely correct there, not sure where you got that from. Furthermore neither of us has provided "evidence" in an academic sense, but this is a youtube comment section and tbh you can just google claims you find debatable; I don't really care. In the crocodile topic again, yeh, if you just mean generally prehistoric then something that looks like a crocodile has existed for hundreds lf millions of years but my point was purely that up until relatively recently there were far more divergent crocodylomorphs, especially in the Triassic and Jurassic, but even during parts of the Cenezoic. My entire point here was just to call attention to this frequently ignored collection of animals to show crocodilians and their relatives were not always the "same animal", it was never even meant to necessarily disagree with you just correct what I viewed as an oversimplification of crocodilian (and avian, for the dinosaurs) evolution.
Fun fact: Birds are actually still dinosaurs. As in, they are the only extant branch of living dinosaurs left and are a subgroup of the clade Dinosauria. In other words, your chicken is a living dinosaur and a pigeon shitting on your head is a dinosaur flipping you off.
oh yeah, i just remembered, Liber Xenologis, a specialist gw book, they talk abut hw Dayak Grekh, a famous Koot quite a bit. Kroot lore is much more complex and cultural than the surface level tells you abut. They're not necessarily tied to the Tau.
Yeah, GW has such a hard on for their Space Marines that they just can't admit what would happen if Tyranids or Kroot eat even Primaris Marines, and become Primanids, or Superkroot. Hell, have the Tau stick em inside some battle suits and you have superxenos for the greater good.
Hello Guys, I have a question. I want to learn more about Warhammer 40k, but it is very complex and opaque for newbies. Could some of you give a list with the major events of the Great Crusade between Horus was found by the Emperor and the injury of Horus through the chaos blade? I know that there was the Rangdan Xenocides, Monarchia, Ullanor and the Council of Nuceria, but what would you say are other important keypoints of the Great Crusade? Thank you!
There are several parallels to be drawn here with Halo's Kig Yar (Jackals and Skirmishers) both are bird people, both are often mercenaries, both are known to be stealthy, and both are in a multi species alliance. Though the Kroot were released into Warhammer 40k 1 month before Combat Evolved released so theres certainly no inspiration taken from eachother
"Having a book just about Tyranids would be kinda s***t. It would be like "numnumnumnum..." printed like a million times." Thank you for that, Majorkill. Thank you.
I wish the kroots lore of eating their foes and evolving would be worked into a cool mechanic for the tabletop game. That and give tau some actual melee vanguard units. Put overwatch back into essentially 8th edition. And for gods sacks let tau snipe and give cover fire to allies to stop enemies from charging or getting into melee.
Kroot, eats an inquisitor: *Heavy breathing* This, is an act of heresy..... (continues do destroy all of their family, friends, neighbours, pets etc believing that they are one of the emperors chosen and have been trained to destroy every xenos in sight)
