Man Rage had been working on her album for two years and still did not have it completed by the time Pac came. Dr Dre leaving and being slow in the studio is what hindered Rage. The beef was 96, Rage had a big Buzz in 94 with Afro Puffs.
It wasn’t really Dre’s fault cause I bet there’s a lot of unreleased songs that he’s done on Death Row and Aftermath, I hate when people say that Dre is slow, no he’s not, he got songs done but just won’t release them. Plus I read that Rage wouldn’t like some beats and shit so it wasn’t Dre’s fault. I read Rage didn’t want to rap on Afro Puffs cause the beat was too west coast; but Dre told her to stop complaining and get on it, Suge, Dre they loved it, Rage got mad that they released the song because she thought it was gonna ruin her career; but it became a hit. So it’s not Dre’s fault, that Rage was too picky with the beats instead of trusting Dre and just going along with it.
Exactly I've always said if Death Row would of released Rages album after Afro Puffs, it would of went platinum with help from Snoop n Dre who were on fire
@@littlehorn8503 facts!! 2 pac stans are the worst! They will say anything to discredit Dre. Truth is Death row’s most successful moments were before 2pac joining. The nigga was there less than a year, But they always talk about him as he was the founder or the only star in the camp. Deathrow went down due to the tension and negativity he brought with him.
If you look at the Source Awards when Biggie 🤴🏿 and the rest of the label took the stage, Rage was the only Deathrow Artist Smiling and bopping her head. She was genuine.
She's told her story...not supporting Pac didn't hurt her career...afro puff was bumping back then...her career didn't take off cz it didn't take off...
@@ohwell165 Right. He just said she was gonna go at her own paste regardless. Unfortunately her own paste was too damn slow, so she did it to herself🤷🏾♂️
True but I don't think that's the real reason her career got held up. These dpg guys have a slick passive aggressive way of blaming 2pac for all their short comings
@@antwandukes You lack comprehension buddy.. It has been said countless times, all of the artists on the label had their albums push back and/or shelved when duke came aboard.. Fix up son…
Hate to say this, and definitely not trying to be negative, because I've been a fan since the Puffin on Blunts Sipping on Tanqueray b-Side....m but it's really nice to see Kurupt in a coherent, sober interview where he's articulating his experience. So many of his interviews over the years, he's been high or drunk and they weren't really that valuable. This is probably one of the best interviews I've seen from him. He was there from the beginning and has a wealth of knowledge, and I hope to see more of him.
One of Biggie's last interviews he mentions he spoke wit Rage & Kurupt while here in L.A. & that he wished them the best. He mentioned Rage just finished her album at the time. Biggie even said come to Bad Boy. R.I.P. Biggie
Yes! This was a few months after suge was in jail and dr tanked. That interview you can tell Biggie was trying to look out for these artist but probably another reason why suge put that hit on Biggie. SMH.
I still remember that Rap city interview when they asked Biggie who was the dopest Freestyler he ever saw & he said Kurupt. That blew my mind because at the time Kurupt was my favorite rapper period. I was a huge death Row fan.
Not surprising. The beef was primarily between Puffy, Suge and 2Pac. Most the artists on both labels were cool with each other for years. Biggie has footage on stage with Warren G, Snoop, and Tha Dogg Pound.
@@law8562 I think it was Murder Was The Case album release party. It was in NYC. Suge, Snoop, Biggie and Dr. Dre are all interviewed in that video. Hell, I think Puffy and Suge were still cool at that point, 1994.
Danny Boy tells the truth and said everyone was jealous of Tupac. Tupac Recorded All Eyes On Me, a double CD in a week. Who on Death Row could compete with that?
Rage said when Pac soon realize that he couldnt get her to do what he wanted her to do he begin to respect that and then Tupac told her if she is in the studio he will just wait until she is done and if she need any help with her album let him know, then Tupac did vocals on Rage's song Big big lady.
@@BlackEffect Rage was from the South (Virginia), so it's confusing why she worshipped New York Rappers. Puffy & Biggie were involved with the Murder (Jake Robles) & Attempted Murder (DPG) of her labelmates and Security Staff, but yet she loved them so much. I've never heard of anybody from Bad Boy expressing love towards her or DPG. Remember after Death Row turned into the " TITANIC ", Rage was " HOMELESS " in New York, sleeping in studios. Dr. Dre didn't come to her rescue, neither did any of those New Yorkers that she supposedly loved so much. So what was the reward for her " TREASONIST " Attitude?...
@@BlackEffect I wish I could hear a song from Pac in a mature mind state in an adult voice. I'll bet his message would be so much stronger today. That's my answer to you, history or the lack thereof is something you can't refute, and the "right thing" is for Tupac Shakur to have grown old with his children and grandchildren.
@@kelvinbentley2777 I don't think penniless, incarcerated, blind Suge cares about any of that today. I don't think Suge's children are better for it without him in their lives. Snoop recently gave praise to Suge after he purchased Death Row Records, I'll bet sitting in his prison cell, that made Suge smile. It's a shame we can't even see Suge's smiling face. We aren't young anymore, and the mistakes made then had real ramifications. If you were alive then you'd be 45+ and if you have grandchildren you have more than them, because many of them aren't here. Rest their souls, remember their legacy, don't follow their example.
That senseless beef was all about egos, insecurities, immaturities & inadvertent tools for executives to cash out on that beef. Every same mind knows that hip-hop world before & after West coast Vs East coast rivalry has never been the same ... that has caused abysmal damage to the psyche of the communities.
Rage has been known as a slow song writer. I think that hurt her during Death Rows peak. If they release her album immediately following Afro Puffs, it would of went platinum
I love and respect how much of a leader and individual she was. I remember her saying Pac wanted her to diss Kim and she wasn't with it because she had no issue with her. Sis wasn't a yes woman at all, she stood on her shit. It's dope.that Suge respected it and told her don't worry about it.
I don’t know why people think the Deathrow/bad boy beef started when PAC got there. It started in Atlanta when Suges friend was shot outside OG Vees club. Deathrow music was built on beef. The chronic went at ruthless, Tim Dog, Uncle Luke, as well as others, tha dogg pound was dissing Bone Thugs, Biggie had their trailer shot up with the radio interview. PAC being mad at Biggie and puffy for his New York shooting was just the extra gasoline that Deathrow needed.
Rage should've used her time wisely but she didnt. She is a dope rapper! Pac did AEOM in less than 2 weeks, did Makaveli album in a few days, all while doing movies, working on One Nation album and have hundreds of unreleased songs in the vault. All in less than 1 year in Death Row.
Thursday, 22 December, 2022: Folks keep in mind I'm fifty years old. Rage "Afropuffs" came out when I was only 22yrs. old. . . As far as hip-hop is concerned that's an "eternity" ago, whew'. Very, very few people had cell phones, almost nobody had even heard of a "website" or had any type of computer whatsoever. Heck, even "beepers" weren't even popular at all back then. Gas was less than a dollar/gal. There was ZERO streaming anything, nothing. Everything was still analog NOT digital yet. There was NO PLAYSTATION or Xbox, it was still a Nintendo world with "game cartridges". Remember MP3's and Limewire, that wasn't even close to being out yet. For my slightly younger generation you have to keep in mind that putting out an entire album back then was TOTALLY dependent on your record company unlike today. I just wish some of the older artists being interviewed would shed a little more light about being an artist in the "analog era" versus today...
You’re confused bro 😂😂😂Websites were about in 97’ and most people knew what they were, though most people weren’t very computer literate (myself included) at that time… also PlayStation was around since 94!!💯✌🏾
@@bezzyranx9839 were you from because playstation probably wasout but not in the US because we would of heard about it or been playing it back then we was playing super entendo or sega genesis we didnt start playing playstation until 97 i think i was in highschool at that time but far as websites and computersin the early mid 90s we didnt trip off that shit we was doing other shit back then
Rage hurt her own career. If Dre signed her before he signed Snoop and Snoop had a album before her says a lot. She was a good rapper but she was just too slow in the studio. Can’t blame that on the beef. She should’ve dropped a album no later than 1994
Exactly. Furthermore why hasn't Rage been on any other label after Death Row? Or why didn't Dre sign her to Aftermath? Rage may have been her own downfall not necessarily equated to Pac being there!
Love that track. Always thought DJ Quik "ghost produced" some of that beat as well, although he's just listed as the song's mixer. Quik's instrumentation and finger prints are all over that song
Skandalouz has been my reference track for my mixes for like 20 years. You can search the original version which gives a lot of insights on the production. The final song is sonically amazing. West coast absolute classic.
Check Out Time is one of my favorites of All Eyez on Me, and that House of Blues concert by Death Row was dope. I would’ve loved to see a Death Row Tour.
They knew a younger, version of pac before he morphed into DR pac makaveli which was a totally different machine. Crazy how fast he would advance from I get around pac to full blown don status on the west coast
When afro puffs came out, it was charting. They should of ran with the vibe and had an album ready because she could of been iconic like Lil kim, minus the xrated ish. Lol
I love that he brought up the check out time song . I was only 1 when pac died but growing up my dad would play check out time all the time . Till this day it’s still in my playlist
@@theetruth8626 streetz is a mutherf.. alone I call shots, who ride with us, girls all pause, ho a housewife those are just a few on the whole album that was great. The whole space boogie almum on on-site, space boogie,. Kuruption WE can freak it. You are TRIppin. The list goes on and on. You must of just not listed to his albums period
Makes sense my pac took rage's studio time away. Time is money and it's taking rage weeks to do one song and Pac can spit a whole album in a one session
Same. People, well some people on the internet at least, diss songs like that on Book 2, but I never understood that. Songs like Check Out Time and Run the Streetz are dope asf to me. 2Pac made records for all emotions, not just strictly hardcore sh##. Kurupt did his thing on there, but I always thought Big Syke stole the show with his verse. "If walls could talk, they would say you tried to fade me" lol.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un man the hell with them I like disc 2 better just my opinion!!!! "Picture me Rollin" "call ya bytch" and "All eyes on me" are my favorite songs on that album to be honest and that's all disc 2 😎😎
Lady Of Rage is from Virginia. That’s the East and they love Big and have a large NY influence in VA. She didn’t have the same gang affiliations and California love that the rest of the label had.
Lol wasn't no ny influence in va at that time. I'm from MD and after NJ no body give af about ny...we all do our own thing in the DMV area. As a matter of fact pac was behind pac because he used to live there. MD, DC, VA especially is considered country to NY and they don't respect it as far as culture and we don't really rock with NY in that area either.
@@Cslicksmusic91 it’s not either or lol it can be a multitude of reasons. Being from where she’s from is a large reason for her decisions lol i said nothing wrong
"On death row I hear you're getting treated like boot camp. Gotta follow your Sargeant's direction or get your ass popped with a smith and Wesson" - Eazy E
Rages main problem was she took too damn long to complete songs and her album. She was the best female MC of her time but took way too long to deliver. Kurupt says she took her time and should have been the biggest but doesn’t straight up say had she deleivered her Album before dog food or right after that she would have blown up.
Hes not lying. Shit was moving fast. 2pac had two different eras of music in a short span of 1.5 years or so with death row. Crazy. All of them were on completely different shit in 94 vs 95 vs 96. They didnt have an extended period time where you can say "during these years they generally made this type of music. During this other time it was switched up and more like this..." those mindstates literally only lasted weeks or months til they moved to something else. They were moving too fast.
Her album should have dropped immediately shortly after Afro Puffs from the Above The Rim soundtrack. Her album Necessary Roughness on Death Row didn't come out until June 1997....Death Row was losing it's hot streak by then.
Rage worked slow in the studio and the priorities of Death Row changed once Tupac got out of jail. Once Pac was on Death Row he became the #1 priority. Obviously Tupac was known for pumping out songs in the studio at an incredible pace.
It's her fault ,came blame Tom and Jerry who ever else the woman was slow Afro was a banger, she talking about she didn't like the song whatever ,she will always be known as a dope artist never blew up
I think one thing that hurt lady of rage was she wasn’t sexy or really good looking but she definitely deserved more of a push because she was one of the best lyricists on death row she had great bars on the songs she was on
Rage have nice features never ugly ,but she was consider a big girl ,it was hard for her to complete with other girls like Lil Kim, foxy brown , who were talking about Sex ,wearing sexy clothes ,it shouldn't have matter it should be based on talent , but she did have a hard time , because things have changed , other ladies was promoted Sex in their music and their looks did help them sell alot of records
when she came out it wasnt about looks, you latifah before her, lyte wasnt look at as sexy da brat neither, then you can add the lesser artists like heather b, yo-yo, suga-t.
Why do you keep saying that The Lady of Rage album never came out? It was released in ‘97…on Death Row. «Necessary Roughness». Pac is on it and Daz produced something, I think.
Because it was forgettable. Nobody really bought, played or remembers that album. Plus Death Row was pretty much a wrap by the time it dropped. Aside from Daz, all the original Chronic/Doggystyle artists had already left the label. 2Pac was dead, and Suge was locked up.
Dre was only consistent with dropping albums when he his funds were low, the chronic and Doggystyle came out consistently. Then after that, rage was taking forever to finish her album and Dre was taking forever to drop again due to a dispute with Suge and the atmosphere at the studio at deathrow , I also highly doubt that rage would have been able to drop anything on aftermath either because once Dre started eating really good off of em and 50 and apple, Dre keep procrastinating on a lot of the artists albums and they never got released including Dre's own album Detox.
Bruh that's false Dre was doing his own album which was the original album with California love but all the b.s on death row and the gang banging was a game changer. Dre only like his special type of artists to work with so u completely false because after M and 50 Dre did a album with Rakin called O my God but that ended up in court then he did the album with Busta Rhymes. So y'all really need to stop throwing salt on this man name because he got his they always said nigg*z get mad at anyone who has 5 dollars more then them
Lady of rage was working on her album the same speed as dr Dre was working on songs!! Tupac came and made the whole camp work harder! He needed beats after beats! When Dre was gone Tupac had Daz and Johnny J
2Pac was a prolific writer, and song-maker. Knocked out that Makaveli album in 7 days with the "wack room" producers at Death Row, who none of the artists there ever used. Pac was a man on a mission. Rage just wasn't hungry enough, and that's why she missed her shot. Rage should've been nagging Dre, Quik, Sam Sneed, Dj Pooh, Daz & Soopafly for beats all day everyday. That's too much producer heat for you to be sitting around working on an album for 2 years. Death Row had the best in-house producers in the game.
Rage did once clarify in an interview that as Pac was lying in the hospital fighting for his life in Vegas, she felt guilty at not having jumped into the beef when he asked her to and that if he survived, she would go at anybody he asked her to including Lil Kim, Foxy, Da Brat.
She got a hell of alot more respect for being principled. Love Pacs music but he shouldn't have been going around looking for loyalty or asking other artists to get involved.
Bruh what's the realest the most dumbest the most childish bruh u gotta understand what y'all saying Snoop just beat a murder case Dre left because of too much b.s
That sucks Lady of Rage's rap career did not take off. That's cool that she and some of the other artists of Death Row were not down with the Tupac/Biggie and Bad Boy/Death Row feud because it should have never happened.
Bruh u gotta be able to create music to have a rap career no beef stop her career she just wasn't cut out for making music what she done after death row exactly
@@lmiko deathrow brought itself down by beefing with everyone they could from the early 90's waaaaay before tupac. You better go watch uncle Luke interviews lmfao.
@@lmiko yeah right lmao. Shit happened at deathrow before and after pac lmfao. Deathrow had a hood/gang banger atmosphere. That's why Dr dre left. If it was all so good why did snoop leave afterwards? They didn't run deathrow like a record label and it cost them. It's just convenient for everyone to put it at pac feet now lol
Anyone around Tupac at that time -- who had any drive -- was hopping on a record. He grabbed producers from the whack room, he grabbed the lady from the front desk, any rapper writing in a session wasn’t getting a shot. She definitely missed an opportunity there
True. Pac has songs with Death Row b and c-level artists like Danny Boy, CPO Boss Hogg, OFTB and even Hammer lol. Tgat Death Row vault has been emptied of alotta music over the years. Rage is notably absent tho. I wonder was she even around much at all at Can-Am studios in those years. If she was, she obviously wasn't putting in work.
But that’s his character. Tray Dee shot at him and he didn’t turn Tray dee in, they still work together till date. I guess since nobody died, He looked passed it. It’s his character.
@@TosereOjemeCharacter my @$$. That’s the sign of a scaredy cat. Look at how spooked he was on that interview with Tupac in New York. People say he was high😂 please! You could see the fear in his eyes.
@@FBA_259 Yeah Snoop is really a coward as far as this California gang culture goes. But because of his stardom and influence he gets a pass. But those who are actually from the neighborhood and/or surrounding neighborhoods knows the truth. His situation is no different than Suge. Money and fame payed their way to be “gangster”
RBX left yrs before 2Pac joined. Do the research Art. If Rage would’ve dropped Eargasms bac in the day that was gonna be produced by Dr. Dre & Daz, would’ve been epic.
Bottom line anyone from my era which was Tupac and Biggie era know that Tupac was trouble bottom line! Why do anyone from my era keep up with this Tupac theory to the younger generation. Tell the truth Tupac changed his whole style up and got extra once he joined Deathrow
@carlosrob6494 😂 Like I said OG, "it's documented." I've listened to many interviews from musicians and entertainers from the 90s and watched documentaries about the 'shift' at Death Row once Pac was out on bail. They all said the same thing you said at the end of your original comment ^ I'm not looking for an argument. Just saying, I've 'peeped game' as your generation would say
Great breakdown big dawg... LOR was the Mia X of the West and would've been even bigger star if her album was delayed. She still was able to become a legacy artist in spite of the inner turmoil which many don't get to do!
@Thee Truth i never said she wasnt equal in ability. Im talking about popularity and national recognition from people that arent necessarily into the rap genre.
@@88cutty Mia X impact was as strong as Rage in 97 and 98 Rage only was relevant in 94 and 95 after that she was out promotion had nothing to do with it she wasn't a great artist she just had a great song
Not sticking with Pac and losing in the end actually served her right!!! What did her smile at Pig at those Source Awards earn her??? It is snakes like those that everyone should avoid in their lives!!! Had she stuck with Death Row (YES I SAID DR NOT JUST PAC) she knows today that fan base would have boosted the sales of her album. Despite it coming out in ‘98 and Suge in jail, Death Row fans were still pushing the sales on there. Her album couldn’t even make gold. It served her right!!! And by the way LET THIS BE CLEAR: When Tupac joined Death Row, the beef between Suge and Puffy was already on!!! Big Jake had already been killed in Atlanta. So she was actually betraying Death Row with her actions not just Pac. I’m happy she ended up nowhere!!!! To hell with her!!!! She must know that Tupac people actually hate her!!!
@@Orllandopaste who said anything about crying? So according to you, giving a view that speaks directly to the title of LoR hurting her career on her position on the beef is equal to crying? You should have just scrolled past than saying something that stupid!
@@Orllandopaste did you even read what you wrote before posting it? I did no RESPECT LoR, I DISRESPECTED HER like I did at Can Am and always will!!! Trust me Im one of those that don’t give a F*^C$ about you pulling up, because you can and will only do that here on the internet. Other than that it will be the last pull up you ever do!!!!
Damn...I remember buying Rage's project when it first came out...I played it once and never listened to it again...just listened to it again after this interview and this sh*t is nice...
Pac was a cringe wannabe gangster who just came with alot of negativity. Eventually it caught up with him when he messed with a reeeeal gangster who saw through all the fake gangster persona.
I don’t really understand this narrative Here’s a question for you How many rappers you know back then bust their gun when getting robbed? How many rappers beefed with REAL gangsters back then?? How many rappers caught a case and didn’t snitch back in the days…. I’ll wait …….
Kurupt made lots of good points but it still makes me think of the Jewell interview and the Sylk E Fine interview about how everyone treated their women compare to the West coast or More so Death Row
East coast is Rage fan based. It was best no to involve herself in the beef. Nothing good came out that anyway. She was popular on sitcoms and other deathrow hits. She didnt even diss ruthless if Im correct. She just focus on her lyrical skills
