You have no idea how much time I spent trying to get these Finnish pronunciations right, and I still guarantee I butchered them! Pretty sure I'm spot on with "Assmann" though...
I could only imagine how Nils must have felt to be so blasphemously blamed for a tragedy he himself was a victim of. The way misinformation spreads with most believing the first or last thing they heard could really ruin a life. I hope he has found peace with the situation. Horrible.
That's why it's important to give benefit to the doubt especially when mainstream media latches onto something. I've heard of way too many local news stories of people being these awful individuals according to the media only to find out that they were actually in the right and that the media only blasted them because a bias source told them all sorts of slanderous things about the people. That's also why cancel culture should never be treated seriously, since a lot of people have been cancelled over things that were very false (projared being one of them for example)
@Tampafan33 I Highly doubt it Because it doesn't make Any logical sense I mean if you are killer you would get rid of the bodies And also why would you injure yourself like that you could say To make him. Look like an innocent victim But you wouldn't go out and hurt yourself like that I mean common sense.
It's wild to me how quickly cops discounted the local disturbed, aggressive, wife- beating man who had a history of attacking people in the area and cutting up tents and who *confessed to the crime* Also, the wife of a guy like that providing an alibi is hardly surprising. He sounds terrifying, she was probably trying to save her own skin.
people like that have always existed and will always exist in Finland, it's kind of a tradition to have a town crazy and even 20 years back they usually went out to do stuff like this mainly bc of alcohol and family issues. I can say that as a relative of one of these unfortunately infamous people. the families will ignore or completely cover their mess up and never speak of them or recognize them as family, it's truly a sad tradition, even though the crazies tend to die off too from the mess they themselves cause.
Seriously. When the video was like "The wife gave him an alibi, and why would she lie for him? She hated him because he beat her" I was like "Are you for real?"
Honestly, the fact that they immediatelly were like "Well, she is totally saying the truth and he is mentally ill" was such a shitty detective work. The truth was right there in front of them, but they were like "Well, this random blonde guy in a below 144p photo certainly is the man responsible" and decades later "Their friend certainly smashed his own brain out in a tree to make himself look like a victim"
@@TheTrollerGamer I immediately suspected him when he was the sole survivor until I heard the details of his injuries. Even if lets say the others somehow caused some of that damage in self-defense and he didn't slam his head into a tree, it still makes no sense. He's leaking brain out his face and stages a crime scene?
@@TheTrollerGamer Some of that detective work was probably influenced by the attitudes of the time, too. I doubt police back then had it in them to really get the mechanics of abuse/get past their inherent ableism. To this day, with Finland being ranked the 2nd most dangerous country in Europe for women, they still haven't cracked the code. Ableism is also very rampant to this day, and that's mainly due to those pesky attitudes. This would make this particular incident an interesting case to point to prove ableism is harmful to everyone, as it meant the police didn't take things pertaining to certain parties seriously and a brutal murder case went unsolved due to it. Another thing to note is that one of the most powerful and most relevant things in Finland to any scenario is looking at the attitudes people carry. Any set of instructions or rules tend to get interpreted by the lens that attitudes provide/the attitudes an organization has embraces as being its own lens. And normalism is a very, very oppressively powerful force in Finland. Organizations, people, or anyone with responsibility tend to also have a funny way of interpreting that responsibility in a way where they can protect their own behinds the most by attitude painting to the point reality or what actually happened doesn't matter much, as nobody needs to care about that silly little thing/they don't need to deal with any consequences for their actions. Scapegoating is another big practice in Finland that already begins to get practiced in kindergarten. This basically means when institutions or officials mess up they point fingers at each other until things get drowned in the noise/a slow investigation gets buried with heat dying down, making it mean it can be claimed nobody could do anything any better, or the carpet can be thrown over the matter and nothing much changes. As such, getting justice for anything that isn't an easy and quick to solve case can be a massive challenge, usually complicated by officials being a bit too deep in their own behinds to really get reality. It's at least in my area a fairly rare treat to encounter one that isn't, and actually has a working pair of ears not suffocated out by the urine concentrated in their cranial cavities. All of this (and other factors) mean that once an institution or official has made up their mind on something (often without even looking at all the facts slapped onto the table), even if it is wrong, it's incredibly hard for them to either change their minds on it/correct that course/be corrected. If they get it right the first time, this is pretty good. If they are wrong, then good luck fighting the next few decades against stubborn fools to get them to understand that their version of reality is lacking a little something called the truth. It also means when bad stuff happens, officials prefer to try and clean their own hands first and leave the biggest brunt of suffering on the individual rather than doing their jobs - especially if they got it wrong in the first place. The logic tends to be something like the victim should have known better than to be the victim of something to begin with, and it's their own problem to deal with. And the individual, after they begin the uphill battle for justice, ought to just stop bothering officials who are "just doing their job" about that to not rock the boat and make their lives difficult even if it's going into near fatal levels of messing up. Worth also mentioning that folk in Finland don't really seem to care much about anything unless you have bodies. Or someone nearly died. And even then it's a gamble, do people find it in them to start caring. It's even rarer, that this caring actually leads to something being done. Especially as power tends to be concentrated in the hands of a very small set of people, who rarely seem to get around to actually doing anything about any of this beyond spinning the bottle cause they rarely have to deal with any of this. If all that sounds incredibly hypocritical, stupid and bad, then congratulations. You have your feet in reality and a functioning moral compass. A test most officials can't seem to pass without major struggles due to how decayed and moldy the clunky Finnish institutions are...which also suffer from a chronic problem of being across the board underfunded and understaffed, leading to even more "Hey - I just work here so stop bothering me about the injustices we did to you" type mentalities.
I’m half Finnish half Swedish (living in Sweden). I absolutely don’t think Nils was involved in any way. I don’t think it’s possible to hit your own head on a tree so hard you break your jaw and cause cerebral fluid to come out of your nose. If he did that, how on earth was he able to even return to the tent, get rid of the evidence, clean his feet and think up a story? It makes no sense at all. Personally, I think Karl was the perpetrator. It makes the most sense to me. Either way, I’m glad to see you cover a case from Suomi! Kiitos and näkemiin ☺️
@@Tampafan33 Also, the three victims all have lots of deep and deadly wounds so the culprit must have killed them like a berserker with a lot of strenght put in his attacks but all of nils' wounds are shallow. Coincidence? Not 100% impossible, still feels unbelievable. The thing with the broken jaw could be related to the motive. Maybe he had a fight with the other guy in the group who broke his jaw. Wouldnt be the first murderer who killed for such a weak reason. Even if that didnt happen, some people are easily capable to inflict severe injuries on themselves. I know someone who broke his own arm on purpose and his reason for doing that wasnt as good as getting away with murder. And why do some people believe that you cant do all that stuff ( return to tent, get rid of evidence) with a broken jaw? A broken jaw just hurts like hell, it doesnt stop you doing such thing + if he experienced a lot of adrenaline it probably didnt even hurt (that much) for a while. I dont say he did it for sure because the other two suspects are super suspicious too, but you can definitely not rule him out as the culprit.
War does horrible things to people. There are examples from both world wars of pictures taken of the same man before and after war where they look like they aged 30 years in 3. Skeletal characitures of themselves
When I saw the sketch I was like, come on, no one can look like that. After seeing the photo from the service I was shocked how accurate the sketch was.
Me watching the part about the first suspect: “Well, he definitely did it.” Me watching the part about the second suspect: “Well, he definitely did it.” Me watching the part about the Nills: “Well, he definitely did it.” I am terrible at this
This was really just a case of wrong place wrong time for everybody, horror movies and history points to the German monster man, my stomach tells me the shop keeper, the friend being involved makes little sense to me. That dudes son is a real piece of work for holding out.
I'm a defense attorney and was in the same boat. Although when it got to Nils, I was like "damn if he is guilty then he has a level 22 fortitude." My money is on Karl though
People lie and cover for others alibi all the time, mostly out of fear of that person. A wife will cover for her husband because he may not be arrested so out of fear of retaliation. Friends and relatives cover for others all the time,so alibis can mean nothing sometimes.
Exactly, makes me sick when you hear he had a an alibi confirmed by his wife so the police didn't suspect him or something like that, if he's a murderer, then a lot of wives would cover for them whether out of fear or loyalty or both. If what's been presented in this video is true, then clearly it was the first guy who seemingly got away with it because of his lying family who are also guilty.
@@user-os7ec4dm8xthis type of situation is why most Western countries don't make spouses testify against each other; the one person you're allowed to legally lie for & it can't be held against you (unless the spouse is proven guilty & I guess if the aiding spouse is *proven* to have been obstructing the police investigation)
Now Nils obviously didn't commit the crime, but it's kind of crazy that he could technically have done it and bashed his head into oblivion and completely erased the whole event from his memory. And genuinely think someone else did it, brains are weird sometimes.
Amnesia is a bit different than just memory loss but yes I believe a person can have permanent Amnesia though mainly because the brain can cojure memories and blend them with new ones.
I think a very bizarre thing about this case is the amount of false confessions to the murders. 3 suspects (Pentti Soininen, Gyllström, Assmann), 4 if you include Nils' confession which probably didn't even happen in reality, confessed to them. Soininen and Gyllström both committed suicide immediately after confessing and Assmann died shortly after.
its why imo if you have a confession and no other evidence the case should be thrown out. False Confessions HAPPEN. Want one that really is bad; see the Ken H murder in Columbia MO on Halloween Night 2001.
Police interrogation can be brutal sometimes, they're likely being constantly interrogated by police for hours, having no free time to do anything else, and it's not uncommon for people to confess to something they didn't even do just because they believed that if they told the police what they wanted to hear that they can have some peace. Lots of tactics the police do are pretty horrible tbh, and I know that most of the time it does catch the right person, but I feel like if there's even a 0.01% chance that it can convict an innocent person or get an innocent person killed, then it shouldn't be done.
Makes sense that it was so well-known, so it was probably one of the first cases on people's mind and embedded in their psyche to the point some delusional people might insert themselves into it.
Imagine this; Your best friends have died horribly, you yourself nearly joining them in the afterlife. You have lifelong amnesia, and are gravely wounded. You have to live with being the sole survivor of a terrible crime that remains unsolved. And then decades later some asshats accuse YOU of ending your friends lives, and faking amnesia to get away with it. Poor guy.
hey Lazy, as a Finn i am surprised with how well you nailed the pronunciations, they're pretty good coming from a native english speaker! also as a longtime fan i'm very happy to see something from our country on your channel! much love
Seriously bewildered on how they thought Nils could've done it (if they even believed their own prosecution case). If your head is bashed in to the point your cerebral fluid is leaking out of your nose (not to mention you've been stabbed in the cheek to the point where your teeth are showing out), that probably isn't a self-inflicted wound unless you're actually not a human being.
he himself greatly exaggerated his injuries, had even confessed murders to several people and lied, etc.his injuries likely came when the victims were defending themselves. Subsequent investigations have revealed that his injuries were not serious. That cerebral fluid or jaw damage are not even true.
The truth and facts about Gustaffson's injuries. According to Chief Medical Officer Eero Hirvensalo, the medical examinations do not support Gustafsson's defense's claim of a severe or moderate brain injury, nor was Gustafsson ever treated for such a condition. The injuries were low-energy injuries that are typical in assaults caused by punches or kicks, they were not caused by any hard or heavy object. Hirvensalo estimated that Gustafsson's jaw had been hit by two or three blows, probably with fists. - He did not have a skull fracture and it was not suspected later either. The blow to the jaw blocked the ear canal, but the narrowing of its wall was not a skull fracture. His ability to work recovered quickly and he did not need rehabilitation, like brain patients in general. He was kept in the hospital for quite a long time, as was customary at the time, Hirvensalo stated. - If he was unconscious from six to two on the morning of the murder, we should have found injuries corresponding to that, but there were none. There is a clear contradiction, because now not a single piece proves the existence of a brain injury. Even the X-rays of that time did not show a brain contusion that would cause unconsciousness. Gustafsson's pulse was normal at the hospital and no changes were observed in blood circulation or blood pressure. A breathing machine was not needed, as it usually is for the unconscious. Neurology professor Juha Öhman was surprised by Gustafsson's totally dark days. From going to bed on Sunday night to waking up in the hospital on Thursday, June 9. - The unconscious does not move, but he was vocalizing and moving during that time. Based on long experience, it is doubtful that the injuries found in him would cause such a long total memory gap, Öhman said. - Since no blood was found in Gustafsson's cerebrospinal fluid, it seems strange that he has a complete blackout, usually people who were unconscious have memory islands of events and they start to remember something. Part of the memory comes back, even if you don't remember the event itself, Öhman said. The lawyer of the victims' relatives, Heikki Lampela, wanted to know if Gustafsson was still able to fight back after his injuries in the tent. "Yes," Öhman looked. There was no danger to Gustafsson's life. Eero Hirvensalo, chief physician at Töölö Hospital, who specializes in accident surgery, considered Gustafsson's injuries to be normal fist injuries. - According to research, very few victims of abuse have a brain injury. Heikki Lampela, the lawyer representing the relatives, who pursued the same line as the prosecutors, also relied on the same statement. Gustafsson only needed emergency care, not actual treatment. "When brought to the hospital, Gustafsson was not in a life-threatening condition. He was in quite good condition," Lampela said
@@kanukki84 interesting.. though you did mention "cerebrospinal fluid" leaking.. that would mean a cracked skull of sorts right? but you say he had no fracture of the skull? also the entire thing of it being strange that he cant remember is rather peculiar. since this is exactly what fighters who have been knocked out experience. they report knowing up to 'that moment' and then a gap of hours often... they actually regain 'consciousness' in the ring right, but then talk and have their memories going in circles. (keep asking the same thing all over) I never heard of it taking days though.. but for his witness testimony (or his cover story if hes guilty) it doesnt matter if he cant remember the event + a few hours. or he blacked out for days. but yeah, if his injuries werent as bad as portrayed in this video then obviously hes a suspect... the testimonies you came up with seem convincing but we know how that works in court case.. the defense and the prosecutor both have "experts" with conflicting testimonies. someone else who read the case files said this about it "He did not have an ICH (Brain bleed in the brain matter) either. His brain injury is described as a brain contusion which includes scattered bleeding around the brain causing swelling of the brain" this was from the official police files "Nils Wilhelm Gustafsson was lying on top of Björklunds body. He was alive, but bloody and unconscious and his bloody face was covered with flies. Cerebrospinal fluid was coming out of his nose. The hospital has documented the following injuries for Gustafsson right after he was brought to hospital. He had three blunt force traumas in the left side of his face. One of these blows had broken his upper and lower jaw from the left side of the centerline of the jaw. One of the blows had broken his left cheekbone. One of the blows had broken his left temple. He also developed a double black eye and the doctors believed that the base of his skull had been broken. Then there were three stabwounds that had been documented. One of these had pierced his left cheek so that his teeth were visible through his cheek. One was in the corner of his eye, but the blade had not injured his eye. The third documented knife wound was in the backside of his upper left arm, near the shoulder joint.: I assume this is from an original doctors report..also it is said that the prosecutor gave some false info to the public claiming that Gustafsson had actually almost no injuries at all (that seems like your story) and that he had made up his injuries instead of using the official reports. Im not sure which testimonies are correct but its still fair to say that if we end up somewhere in the middle as far as his injuries go that he was hurt considerably to the point where it would be remarkable if he would do this to himself.
The case against Nils was ridiculous, it was almost like the prosecutors were just seeking media attention and create this "sensational" case that they were solving but imo it just made them look like clowns.
It does have a bit of notoriety outside of Finland, seeing as one of the better/biggest Metal bands of the last couple decades got their name and some of its identity from the case.
Greetings from Finland! Been following you for many many years! Great to hear this story from you! Everyone in Finland knows this crazy story! Take care Lazy! ❤️
Finland has such a long history of dark and mysterious atrocities going back to the middle ages. Wish there'd be more content about it in English, or Finnish for that matter.
@@kingmuizz708 More modern ones are the classics like Kyllikki Saari, the Noitapiiri in Helsinki that dug up bodies, the case of the man that sealed his wife inside his oven etc In the 19th century you've got lots of serial killers, especially from among the knife-wielding puukkojunkkari of Ostrobothnia, our own wild west. Matti Haapoja most famous among them, got sent to Siberia for his crimes. There's cases that I've read about from even earlier that are even more obscure, but I'll have to find the names and places again. Like the murder of a sámi shaman somewhere in eastern Finland some time during the early modern period (1500s-1700s), a priest who was exhonorated of the strange killing of a farmhand, etc etc If you're just into the purely dark and gruesome stuff minus the mystery, there's an ocean load of events. The legend of a missionary whose limbs were amputated and was left to starve on an island by pagan warlord Kirmu, the slaying of peasant girl Elina by nobleman Klaus Kurki, the murder of the monks at the Kantalahti monastery by warlord Pekka Vesainen and his men, the human sacrifice of defeated sámi chieftains by the birkarls and their chieftain Teivas in Ähtäri, the countless skirmishes and massacres during the rappasodat, the horrible reports of what the cossacks did during Isoviha (like the hailuoto massacre), I could go on forever. I have the vague premises of some of these 1500s-1600s murder mysteries still in my mind, but I'll have to reread a couple books to accurately tell them again. One was of a hole or well filled with bodies on an abandoned property in the late 1500s. This was discovered during a time of famine, violence and the desertment of hundreds of farms. Really a troublesome time in our history. Imagine Velen in Witcher 3. I'll try and name some of these events more clearly once I've rediscovered them, or at least name the books I found them mentioned in.
@@kingmuizz708Wrote a very long comment but it isn't showing up. I didn't include anything that would be obviously against youtube rules. I have it saved in my notes thankfully, but any advice to get it to stay when I try again?
First of all: great effort with the names, you must know how little some people try when it's a foreign name and end up just making it up as they go along. Secondly: I'm a finn and I still cannot make up my mind on what actually went down, there's always something that takes all my theories down with it. Thanks for the video Lazy, torille!
Agreed, it's amazing how lazy people on RU-vid are when it comes to pronouncing foreign names. And then they'll apologize for 'butchering' it when they could have simply expended a minimal effort in the first place to get it right.
@@patavinity1262no one cares what your name is, it' sounds harsh but it's true its an English language site feel free to stay on a foreign one if you wish otherwise dry yer eyes and get misnamed actually we will call you Dave.
Honestly who cares about pronunciation, foreigners always have so much to say about how people should act in their country or about their culture but in America nobody respects our cultures or values.
I can't stress enough how much I appreciate the fact that you so often cover lesser-known stories, especially those from non English-speaking countries. I love your channel so much!
Based on your video Im inclined to believe it was Karl the Kiosk man. It could have been some unkown person that wasn't suspected or identified, but Karl seems very VERY suspicious, as well as, with the son not wanting to give their DNA, that is unreasonable unless he wants to hide something or fears it to be true.
Thought it was him as soon as I first heard him described. But his son could even just be in denial and refuses to believe it was him. We'll never know for sure though, even if it is just proof of his innocence.
The son said he doesn't see the point in giving a sample of his DNA as he thinks a match will obviously show up in the crime scene because Seppo visited their kiosk and came in contact with the family's DNA.
@vffncl0 I reckon the DNA test was to be compared with that on the pillow case which - I heard in one case description - was thought to be used by the perpetrator as a masturbatory tool as it had male fluid on it. Strange object to be found on the scene anyway.
@@Anna-nr3sh Yes, a while ago I watched a documentary where they tried to find a DNA match for the fluid. This was the reasoning the son gave for not wanting to give a sample of his DNA. I'm not that well versed on this subject so idk if it's possible for that kind of a DNA to somehow get mixed up like that... but if not, it's odd that the documentary producers didn't mention it (and they didn't try to explain this to the son?). (The pillowcase is also speculated to have been the menstrual pad of one of the girls, so I guess it's also possible the fluid isn't from the perpetrator at all..?)
Jeez, poor Nils. To go through all of that-losing a lifelong friend and his new girlfriend-and to live with the pain all those years... _and then be charged with the murders!_ Just... WOW. Even I know a traumatic head injury can cause permanent loss of memory of the event, and I'm not remotely a doctor. I personally think it was the kiosk guy.
Lol why were there such a rogues gallery of weirdos in that area? A kiosk owner who shot people. A Nazi soldier. A guy who carries a pillowcase of rocks. “We need to round up some witnesses.” “You’re not gonna believe this, sir. We’re spoiled for choice!”
Take this with a grain of salt as the source is just another random comment I saw down here while scrolling, but someone said that apparently it's common for finnish towns to have like their infamous "crazy" person. Everyone knows them and their families typically overlook their messes.
Woah! As a Finnish person, my jaw dropped when I saw the notification for this. I live locally to where this took place and we visit the lake every summer with my family. I'm really happy to see you cover something that's from our country! Thank you for talking about this case, its a really haunting one for sure. And you did very well with the pronounciations, too, Lazy!!
No way! The most notorious case from my childhood town, I used to swim in that lake! There was a popular urban legend (among friends at least) that the killer is still alive, waiting for the right drunk teens to attack which really scared me as a kid.
I should most likely not be laughing at this, but the fact that the kiosk guy apparently confessed to his friend and the guy responded with “kys” is making me crack up
I never believed the fourth victim did this. Yes he could have killed his friends, but the amount of damage that was done to him, I just don’t think he could have done to himself. Especially knowing that he was mere hours from passing himself. What I love about your videos is the amount of research you do. I have heard this case many times and even think I may have heard about a pillow case being found. What I didn’t know is that there was DNA evidence found in it that doesn’t match any of the victims or suspects, except one. And only because it has not been tested against his DNA. I feel bad for Nils? Not only did he suffer horrible injuries but the. To have his named dragged. It would be great if they ever find the killer. Sounds like the kids and other witness basically said the description was the same as Nils.
I think it's just down right unlikely that Niels had anything to do with it. He was almost death by head wound and, no matter how much you'd want to break your own brain, you simply can't. What was the police's angle there? That Niels had violently bashed his own head? That's simply not a thing people do Maybe, if his only wound had been a stab in the cheek, it could be explained that he simply needed to wound himself, but the second that you notice liquid from the nose, it's just not self inflicted
no the theory wasn't self inflicted wounds...it was the struggle of the male victim...he could have been injured by him during the life and death struggle,...@@JDM-is-my-name
@@MrSh4des if that where the case the other victim would have had defensive wounds and I don’t believe they found any. Also because it caused him to become unconscious, the other person would probably still be alive.
@@MrSh4des this is a genuine question; how much force do you think it'd take to damage the head for liquid to come out of the nose? If someone managed to do THAT much damage, then the changes are that they would also be able to leave, because that's a traumatic head injury that requires a lot of force and the aftermath usually means that the one who is injured can't really move much. If damage is so intense as to cause internal fluid issues, that usually means that the person who is hurt is incapacitated. That's a lot of force and probably not doable if someone is in their final moments. Also, it would be highly unlikely for someone with a traumatic head injury would bother arranging the bodies, which would be needed if one of the three other kids fought back. And as the other commenter pointed out, there would be some defence wounds on the one that managed to do it, unless of course, you want to believe they did it as a ghost of some kind
NO WAY, it's a case from Suomi!! I've been to lake Bodom many times too, since I don't live that far from it. I've actually suggested the lake Bodom case to some crime and mystery channels, so as a long time enjoyer of your content I'm so excited you covered this case! It's definitely one of, if not the most famous crime case in Finland. I was very impressed of how good your pronunciation of the Finnish names was, you're really done your research! Keep up the incredible work and kiitos!
I'm a Pole and do similar for Łódź Emergency Skinhunters case. Well, it's a solved case, but it's still chilly. And those people probably killed many more they get convinced and sentenced for.
The only problem with Karl Gyllström is that he looks absolutely nothing like the sketch. If it was just Nils, I would say that the description probably just wasn't accurate because of the hypnosis, but there was actually a whole group of boys birdwatching who also reported seeing the blond man, in addition to the fisherman. Obviously eyewitness accounts are not very reliable but still, nothing about his description matches - hair color, age, complexion, eyes, everything is different.
I feel the sketch is a bit of a reach. As mentioned, hypnosis can create false memories. Plus, if it is accurate of someone being there, it could have been another camper on the site who may have had nothing to do with it.
@@wasp3417 It doesn't need to look perfect, but if you have multiple groups of eyewitnesses all describing someone clearly different in MANY characteristics it suggests that something else was going on.
I have to think it was Irmeli's other boyfriend, or someone on behalf of him. There has to be a reason she was singled out for such overkill, and he's one of the few with strong motive. And sadly there's no shortage of cases where a violent, possessive person decided to "punish" a cheating spouse.
I agree. Just because there was no evidence of more than one killer being there means nothing. His friends could have driven him and left or he could have borrowed a car. They could even have waited in the car while he committed the murders
I mean...a lot of people cheat and most of their spouses don't go on a rampage where they stalk and murder multiple people. Is there any evidence that he was capable of that? Karl seems like a much more likely explanation all considered.
Pauli, the long-term boyfriend, was on a break from his (mandatory) military service (so he was probably 18yo). He was supposed to meet Irmeli and had bought her a ring, he was planning on proposing. But Irmeli stood him up and went camping instead. Pauli met Irmeli's mother instead, who told him about the camping trip. Pauli was so enraged he threw away the ring.
Rest in peace Alexi Laiho 🤘 *Edit: Children of Bodom is a phenomenal Finnish metal band whose name is based on this place. Their virtuoso singer/songwriter/lead guitarist passed away not long ago. His name was Alexi Laiho. Obviously RIP to the victims of this senseless act and their familiar too 💔
In a way, the band got me into unsolved crimes and mysteries. I was 16 when I started listening to them and looked into their name. After that I slowly started watching this type of stuff.
Children Of Bodom was my favorite band for a really long time and they were one of the main bands that got me into metal and more advanced guitar playing. RIP Alexi.
Finland has been covered couple of times on this channel, most notable cases being the Jens Tove mystery and the man who was found dead on a tree in Asikkala 2004. As a Finn myself, its amazing to see some foreign coverage of perhaps the most intriguing Finnish murder mystery in our history, especially by someone who I've personally watched for nearly 8 years now Kiitos paljon Lazy, Thank you so much Lazy 🔥
This video may have awakened the vengeful spirit of Simo Häyhä. If you smell cordite on the breeze or hear a Mosin-Nagant bolt closing in the distance, you’re already dead. No one will sleep soundly in Russia tonight…
Kusetat. Oon kattonu kaikki videot tältä kanavalta eikä oo tullu vastaan. Plus miks joku ulkomaalainen tekis videon jostain vähän tiedetystä keissistä, mikä Asikkalan mies puussa vuonna 2004?
I finally got a minute to sit down after a rough day today, and right in time for an upload?! Im thankful for you and the dedication you put into your content so that I can have something to make my day a little better!
Finland here, good job on trying to learn our pronunciations. I know people from England who have lived here for years and don't put in that much effort.
Never knew this is where Children of Bodom got their name. Amazingly well done video, as always, but this one especially gave me chills at the end when you reveal the kiosk man had drowned himself. Excellent choice of backing music. 👌
Thank you Lazy! I've never heard of this case before and was very interesting to listen to all the twists, that funeral photo is indeed disturbing. As always, your scripts are very well written and your narration is great! Gonna have to search more about this case now...
During the Corona summer of 2020 I was working at a gardening shop whose owner had a real fascination with the Bodom case. He told me all about different theories and about all the material he had collected through the years concerning the case. Then one day I greeted a very tall elderly man who came to the shop and chatted with my boss (the owner) for a while, bought some pots then left. My boss then excitedly scurried over to me and told me the tall elderly gentleman I had just met was Nisse (Nils) Gustafsson. My fascination with the case only increased from then on. And now it's great to see you cover this case which is so quintessential to Finnish criminal history. Thank you for your work!
Thank you for covering this case. I am very impressed how much information you were able to gather, as not only are the Finnish privacy laws super strict when it comes to crimes, the crimes aren't translated too often. Also your pronounciation was excellent! As every other Finn, I am very aware of this case and also cannot believe its still unsolved. It is very likely that the police know much more than they are saying, but I'm still unsure if we will ever get any answers :/... If you are on a Finnish crime mystery kick, I can recommend the most famous Finnish missing person case: Raisa Räisänen. The case is over 20-years old but police only rather recently revealed some images of a car they are interested in locating. So the case could really benefit from any and all attention.
As a huge true crime fan i have no clue why i haven't seen your channel before. Insane production quality, perfect voice, pefect illustration, this is the first time in a long time a normal true crime video has given me the chills this bad. It's just pure horror and literally perfect! As a Finnish person who has heard a shit ton, and seen multiple videos about this case. I can tell you that this is easily the best one I've seen so far. Keep up the Great work 🙏🏼
I lived in Finland for 2 years and I must commend you on pronunciation, Lazy! I think you did great! This case is so sad. I wish they could get a DNA sample from Gyllstrom’s son to put that line of inquiry to rest-be it as solving the case or as another suspect eliminated. His suicide is pretty damning.
The treatment of Nils was unbelievable. Why on earth try to frame someone so long after the slaughter? This poor boy had his face cut open, broke his jaw and had CSF pouring from his nose! There were so many other good suspects.
I always knew what Children of Bodom were named for, but I had never actually read about the case so this was a very interesting watch! That picture of of the funeral service with the person who is alleged to be the Assmann was super freaky
I feel like this case, unlike a lot of others, has the problem of having *too* many suspects. We’ve got: -A known violent man who has shot others before. -A man matching the description and also was photographed at the area. -A guy known for dragging around a sack of rocks and beating people with it. -And a jealous ex boyfriend with a motive. Not even mentioning the other suspects. It’s like trying to find one particular needle at the needle factory.
i always love hearing about this case for some reason. Ive probably heard the story a hundred times by now but its still one of my favorite Finnish Mysteries
when Nils’ defense team mentioned how permanent amnesia is possible, i wish they had also brought up how alcohol impairs the brains ability to actually form memories. most people assume that drinking a lot makes you “forget” the events that took place while you were intoxicated, but it actually stops you from forming those memories properly at all. there’s nothing to even forget.
Great video! I had heard about it only recently, many years after being a fan of the metal band Children Of Bodom and was shocked to link the two together. You did an amazing job of telling this story. I think the crazy man that was found drowned in the lake the day after he told his friend is the guy who did it. His son won't share his DNA... Suspicious... Gotta follow him in a coffe shop and take his empty cup for DNA analysis right after he leaves or something like that! So close to the truth!
I just discovered the channel and have been bingeing your videos. Fantastic job covering this case! I'm a Finn and was in my teens when the media circus around Nils broke out. It was everywhere, and many of the more sensational media outlets certainly tried to paint him as a monster. As a kid not knowing any better I bought into it. Now I feel so bad for the guy and hope he's been able to live in relative peace since it all died down. Blaming him was just insane. I don't think the case will ever be resolved, but who knows. Also, RIP Alexi Laiho, vocalist/guitarist of Children of Bodom.
"Joe was found fifty miles away from the main crime scene, unconscious and hanging upside down from by a telephone wire. His feet and hands had been cut off with a rusty saw. Authorities think he was probably the one who killed his friends." That's basically what happened to Nils.
Never did I imagine Finland would be featured! You pronounced Suomi beautifully btw! EDIT: You might find the case of Pekka Seppänen interesting too. He is named serial drowner, and was involved in so many shady happenings.
That's truly wild, the other day out of nowhere I remembered this case and thought about how I hadn't seen it covered much of outside of Finland, and here we are...
I live right next to lake Bodom. Have visited the murder spot a couple times and been told the details of the crime. This video still touches on things I was not aware of.
WHOA!!?.. That last suspect sounds like a real piece of work... I think its safe to say... that his entire family is desperate to keep his secret.... I feel for the sole survivor in this case... victimised twice?!... I hope that the victims and their families have found some peace....❤
@@sagamaraia Terrible... And yet still no real answers? Surely they could collect DNA covertly?... Just seems like such a simple answer to what has obviously a long standing and no doubt expensive case?... Even if the suspect has passed.. Surely the families deserve answers??... Take care my friend ❤️
@@MsPopeye65 At that time he went to trial we had a horrible couple of years in our court system. Usually things are handled well but around this time he wasn’t the only one being falsely accused and mishandled. It is sad to see he never got vindicated but he knows the people of Finland doesn’t really think he did that to himself and his friends. But as he has been brought up, the case has been brought up and all the other relatives have been dragged through it all once again. Luckily the media is not interested anymore and around here people can live in peace.
@@sagamaraia The truth and facts about Gustaffson's injuries. According to Chief Medical Officer Eero Hirvensalo, the medical examinations do not support Gustafsson's defense's claim of a severe or moderate brain injury, nor was Gustafsson ever treated for such a condition. The injuries were low-energy injuries that are typical in assaults caused by punches or kicks, they were not caused by any hard or heavy object. Hirvensalo estimated that Gustafsson's jaw had been hit by two or three blows, probably with fists. - He did not have a skull fracture and it was not suspected later either. The blow to the jaw blocked the ear canal, but the narrowing of its wall was not a skull fracture. His ability to work recovered quickly and he did not need rehabilitation, like brain patients in general. He was kept in the hospital for quite a long time, as was customary at the time, Hirvensalo stated. - If he was unconscious from six to two on the morning of the murder, we should have found injuries corresponding to that, but there were none. There is a clear contradiction, because now not a single piece proves the existence of a brain injury. Even the X-rays of that time did not show a brain contusion that would cause unconsciousness. Gustafsson's pulse was normal at the hospital and no changes were observed in blood circulation or blood pressure. A breathing machine was not needed, as it usually is for the unconscious. Neurology professor Juha Öhman was surprised by Gustafsson's totally dark days. From going to bed on Sunday night to waking up in the hospital on Thursday, June 9. - The unconscious does not move, but he was vocalizing and moving during that time. Based on long experience, it is doubtful that the injuries found in him would cause such a long total memory gap, Öhman said. - Since no blood was found in Gustafsson's cerebrospinal fluid, it seems strange that he has a complete blackout, usually people who were unconscious have memory islands of events and they start to remember something. Part of the memory comes back, even if you don't remember the event itself, Öhman said. The lawyer of the victims' relatives, Heikki Lampela, wanted to know if Gustafsson was still able to fight back after his injuries in the tent. "Yes," Öhman looked. There was no danger to Gustafsson's life. Eero Hirvensalo, chief physician at Töölö Hospital, who specializes in accident surgery, considered Gustafsson's injuries to be normal fist injuries. - According to research, very few victims of abuse have a brain injury. Heikki Lampela, the lawyer representing the relatives, who pursued the same line as the prosecutors, also relied on the same statement. Gustafsson only needed emergency care, not actual treatment. "When brought to the hospital, Gustafsson was not in a life-threatening condition. He was in quite good condition," Lampela said
I'm sorry: HUH?! You're telling me the dude who is suspected of doing it confessed to a friend then was found drowned in that lake the next day? I'm kinda furious that the son refuses to give a DNA sample, but I guess it's his right to refuse.
@smokey_the_bandit_girl2548 The kiosk owner did drown in the lake the day after he confessed to his friend that he had committed the murders. His friend told him that he might as well drown himself in the lake because, if he did it, drowning in the lake would be better than spending the rest of his life in a small jail cell. He drowned in the lake the following day. 😮
I’m just wondering why law enforcement hasn’t tried to legally obtain discarded DNA samples the way that they do here in the USA (like taking it from out of the trash on the public sidewalk etc). Seems like that’s the easiest way to get an answer at this point depending on Finnish law. 🤷♀️
@@brittanybeauvais The son is not a criminal nor a suspect. If he doesn't want to give a DNA sample, I don't think the police have any legal way to obtain it.
"Wash your hands in the lake of your blood, just before you die" - That's referring to the victims, but I never knew that that line could also be applied to the most likely suspect for the killings. Pretty interesting. Thanks for the video, LM!
That first suspect sounds almost exactly like an American case where an Air Force member and a few of his friends were shot by someone who hated people driving near his property. The details mentioned in this suspects case were extremely similar!
A piece of dark humor. The peninsula where the murder took place is now marked as a "camping site" on google maps despite bodom not having any legal campsites nowadays. And that part of the lake where the murder took place has never been a legal campsite at least ever since the murders
I am from Finland, thank you Lazy for covering this! Your pronounciation is fine. I am sure it was the Kiosk owner, apparently he was also known to carry a hammer in his boots at all times.
What a sad and tragic case. It initially appears all four were intended victims, but the killer didn't make certain all four were dead. The fatal attack occurred while the victims were inside the tent, and the killer couldn't see who he was killing. Seppo's body remained under the canvas, dead from the attack, and it appears the killer never saw his body. Tuulikki was on top of the canvas, and although fatally injured, she was left alive by the killer, who even covered her injuries with a towel. Nils was also left alive, as though the killer didn't care. Only Irmeli's body had been dragged out of the tent, and further post mortem injuries inflicted. Although deceased from at least three blows to the head - the killer pulled her from the tent and stabbed her 15 times in the neck and back, and posed the body by pulling her jeans down and pushing her top up, exposing her. It seems the killer was very angry with this young woman. The injuries were not incurred in her fight for life - she was already deceased when the killer went into overkill. It leads me to believe that Irmeli Bjorklund was the intended victim, and had a personal relationship with the killer. Either her current boyfriend, or someone who she had been involved with before, felt betrayed by her and wanted to make a spectacle of her to the public. The fact that her boyfriend had no transportation to get there is a *very poor alibi* , and if his friends drove him there, he likely didn't tell them what he intended to do, and he would have left them in the car, away from the scene. A random killer wouldn't leave potential witnesses alive. A frenzied killer wouldn't attack one body more than the others. This was a targeted attack, and the killer made certain the person he came to kill was dead. I hope the DNA reveals the killer eventually, as investigative genetic genealogy becomes more common.
Karl seemed like a pretty sick individual, I could see him take a "liking" to Irmeli, so I'm thinking less jealous ex more Finnish Ted Bundy aka Karl. Whoever did this had to be an absolute monster.
@@nerdrocker89, thank you for reading my post. I agree Karl was a very sick individual, and more than capable of violent crime. It's the details. Would Karl have felt enough pity to cover Tuulikki with a clean towel? Would he leave the crime scene knowing two victims were alive? Why the extra anger directed towards Irmeli? There is no mention of SA, just DNA left on the pillowcase - would Karl have killed Irmeli, then posed her body, without "interfering" with it? It feels more like someone intimately involved with Irmeli found out what she was doing on the weekend, and assumed she was having a romantic tryst. He gains access to the site in a rage and attacks what he thinks is Irmeli and boyfriend in the tent - but the first body he uncovers is Tuulikki, an innocent victim. He doesn't kill her, he covers her injuries with the towel so he won't have to see them. At this point he must question if he even has the right tent. Nils was removed next, and was also left alive, as if the attacker didn't know who he was. Only Irmeli's lifeless body was dragged from the tent and further stabbed, even though she was already dead. That is focused anger. The posing of her body is meant to signal to observers that she is promiscuous - even though four people squeezed into a two person tent precludes anything intimate from occurring. I think this would be an excellent case to review genealogically. They have DNA. They have the ability to track DNA through the many relatives of a family. This may be a good time for a review. The families deserve to know the truth.
@Lazy Masquerade There is an eerily similar unsolved case in Sweden from 1984, 24 years after the Lake Bodum murders, where a couple of tourists from the Netherlands, Janny and Marinus Stegehuis, both were brutally murdered in their tent at Lake Appojaure in northern Sweden. The killer used two knives, stabbing the tent more than hundred time, hitting the victims some 30 times. The killer also bludgeoned the man. Janny Stegehuis handbag was found in Renhagen towards Gällivare and their radio was found near Vittangi more than 62 miles notheast of the crime scene, suggesting the killer may have been heading for the Finnish boarder, which is only 65.5 miles from Vittangi using E45. It’s also famous because an alleged Swedish serial killer confessed to the murders. However it turned out he wasn’t a serial killer at all but had confessed to a great many murders that he didn’t commit. It’s a famous case miscarriage of justice in itself. If you like to do research on the case it’s called Tältmorden i Appojaure (alternatively Dubbelmordet i Appojaure or Appojauremorden) in Swedish. You can also contact me if you need help with the research.
I remember sitting in a cafe in Helsinki listening to a true crime podcast about this case and feeling both scared and confused. I had spent my childhood snd young adulthood hearing bits and pieces of this case, but until that moment I hadn't heard the whole thing. I really love camping and the thought that something like this might happen terrifies me. 😨
Woah, your pronunciation is quite good! As Finn, thank you so much for making this. I have followed you for a while, and I appreciate it when you take a look on cases from different countries!
I have heard a lot of comments about how Nils must be innocent because his feet were clean and the witness didn't identify him and yada yada. But I think your point about how badly his head was smashed is the most convincing.
Great work as always. Was Chester Gould the police artist, those were the 2 oddest composite drawings Ive ever seen and the fact the picture of Hans was less creepy then the actual photo of him in the crowd made this situation more disturbing.
That last part about Karl's alibi being made up by his wife, and him drowning himself in that lake immediately after confessing to being involved strongly suggests he was the killer.
Wow...great job pronouncing the Finnish names! At least as best as I can tell, not being a Finnish speaker. I've watched a bunch of Finnish TV shows, though, and your pronunciation sounds convincing to me.
Something I’ve noticed about this channel in general is he puts a lot of effort into learning pronunciations, there’s a lot of other similar channels that in the middle of some really dark story will completely butcher someone’s name or the name of a location and it takes me out of it immediately lol
