You paid a 40 Year old the max drafted his son and hired an ex-player he podcasts with as the head coach who's really running the organization it's ridiculous
These aren’t the basketball decisions of a serious contender. This is marketing and merchandising that will profit J Buss millions (billion?) and R Paul of course.
@@marcusgarvey6231 NBA is a business. Lakers are not a non-profit organization. Most of the owners are content making a lot of money every year without competing for the title.
Sounds kinda entitled tbh, like relying on the history and the glamor of the lakers to build your team for you instead of just making smart and controlled basketball decisions. When he brought up the Celtics payroll how are they able to pay all these players makes no sense, they traded for all the pieces surrounding two stars they drafted and made a well constructed team. Trading for em gets their bird rights so they can go over the cap as much as they want to retain em
Players will never say it out loud, but they saw what happened with Westbrook when he became a Laker and decided that they want no part in this circus. They don't wanna sign up to be a scapegoat
I'm not a LeBron fan. I did hate him talking about it so much after regretting naming him Jr. To be real, I dislike the memos that Rich Paul has leaked out.
That and now trying to lie and say he earned his eat there and absolutely deserves his contract. Like bro just own it cause we all saw what you’ve been doing and saying. 🤷🏻♂️
i feel like pelinka ultimately let it happen jeanie green lights lebron out in public with shoulder hugs. draymond has more of an emotional connection with the warriors front office that's why he's still there and klay is not.
Because it’s suppose to be about competition. They already talking about paying him a guaranteed contract. I’m a Laker fan and it’s sad to see. Like Lavar Ball did whatever he could to get his kids in the spotlight but they EARNED the draft spot!
There are two reasons why he entered the draft this year. First, there were no absolute guarantees that LBJ would be around next year to anchor him. Second, and most important. Next year's class is just more loaded, there would be more competition.
Third. The more he plays the greater chance he gets exposed. Last season Bronny's team was able to point to the medical issue as a reason for his meager 4.8ppg.
They gonna handle him with kiddie gloves and use his heart as an excuse out of the league when he isn't able to perform, and now he is signed to a 3-4 year contract.
I know that. But towards the end of the videos they ask themselves why did Bronny not opt to stay one more year in college, where it would be easier to develop than in the NBA. This is what I was addressing.
The thing i don't understand is Bronny has had every advantage his whole life to have the best of everything to learn and train to make the NBA.... and he isn't better than so many young men who haven't had as much assistance. So how does that mean he has all this untaped potential? Not like when he gets to the NBA, the training, coaching, diet all that stuff is going to help him go to the next level like it will other guys who are already better than him.
Solid point. Truth is: he’s not that good. I have a friend that goes to Stanford and watched him play in person against them last December I think, and he said he was getting cooked-by some nerds basically 😂
The circus act will be Crypto games only and bronny will check in for 30-60-90 seconds with Daddy on the floor to make history and sell jerseys-t shirts
Shaq, MJ, Pippens sons too. It's very rare that legendary players sons (in many sports) can ever get out the legend shadow. At least those three never put a target on their kids back. Wade's son was playing pickup with pro players when he was a teen,...
Mostly just not having the talent. As Tim Hardaway explained about his son, the sons can never be as hungry or have the drive because they grew up rich.
Be real, most “real” Lakers fans are just Kobe fans. Did any of you even care when the Lakers were completely irrelevant in the years between Kobe and LeBron?
I think the original plan was for Bronny to go to USC and either ball out or have an above average season which would've made him a legitimate 1st round pick (in a weak draft) to a late 1st round team (a playoff team). LeBron would then join this playoff team as a way to play with his son but also sneak in a chance to win a ring without pissing off the Lakers fanbase and being called a traitor. The concensus would've been "He wanted to play with his son, we understand" and LeBron avoids the criticism. Fate intervened with Bronny's cardiac arrest and subsequent poor freshman season. It fucked up the plan and they had to pivot into this current strategy. Unfortunately there was no way to pull it off without it looking obvious.
You try to speak up and tell Bronny to pick up his slack and you will never get a pass thrown your way ever again or traded away to the shadow realm. Players don’t want to get involved in a potentially toxic environment.
Bron has all his hooks in the Lakers franchise now lol, he got his bag again and his son drafted. and clearly Rich Paul has some say in their FO decisions aswell, what a mess
These players are so self-motivated - Kobe had that city on his back, LeBron just likes the proximity to the limelight... Especially with LA being down so bad rn, they need something to lean on.
Players aren’t stupid…they’ve seen how this era of the Lakers has gone and they ain’t getting in the middle of that freakin circus. Not only do you have to be prepared to be blamed by LeFraud for the team failing…now there’s the added element of what’s gonna happen if you do or say the wrong thing to Bronny? No thanks.
@@EdeDizon False equivalence, Giannis didn't force Milwaukee to draft his brother in his second season. He was drafted by NY and develop in the euro league for a few years and avg 16.7 pts and 7 RB. Yes Thanasis sucks but he still put up good numbers to justify signing him.
@@EdeDizon Just because someone doesn't get playing time doesn't make them qualified to be in the league. Every team in the league has players that don't get playing time. Second point just because some one underperformed at the professional level doesn't mean it's ok for someone underperforming at the college level to get a guaranteed contract.
I commend Hurley for resisting the temptation and making the smart decision to avoid this ticking time-bomb of a franchise. Much better opportunities will come around if he just waits. Hell, San Antonio may be looking for a coach in the next few years and who wouldn’t want that job?
The Lakers biggest problem is that the ownership has no comfort with stepping out from the franchise’s past and empowering a smart FO, not just Kobe’s Former Agent. 1. The team overreacted to losing in the ‘21 first round after winning a title and being a great team until AD and then Bron both went down after an incredibly short offseason. Trading too many good players for Russ who just didn’t fit and was aging. 2. Losing two postseasons of AD to injury is just a terrible break. 3. Bron, while still being great (and unparalleled for his age) is no longer a top 10 player thru a season and playoffs. And in the past, role players always had to play under the weight of playing for Bron’s Legacy but that was offset because Bron was playing at a GOAT level before. Now those same role players still have to play under the Bron weight (and Laker weight) but Bron isn’t a GOAT anymore at 40, just “merely” a top 15-20 player atp.
Yep. Jeannie needs to get a real GM/FO like Presti in OKC and empower them to make decisions and stop this "family run" business BS that also involve the Rambis shadow GM decisions in the background. Just be a owner Jeannie and let real compentent people run the basketball part of the business.
Remember that clip of kuzma pushing bron into postion on defense a few years back. These players are tired of having to pick up his slack and then getting blamed for all the shit. I truly think bron is the greatest nba player ever but damn i dont think ive ever heard him take accountability for anything that goes bad its always everybody else isnt good enough or its the coach
Since the Lakers got LeBron, they’ve only existed for his needs and his needs alone. The good will marketing of ‘Join The Lakers’/‘Play With LeBron’ just isn’t there right now, and might actually be a broader career detriment after the experience. It would be interesting to do a snapshot of every player and coach who came & went AFTER LeBron arrived and see if their value was thrown through the floor after being cast aside by LeBron and Lakers Management. Did people join the Lakers to be elevated (by association) only to have their value destroyed on the way out ?
Jordan's kids for example work with Jordan brand, makes perfect sense, he did not force his kids into being professional basketball players. Nepotism is rampant everywhere but this is another level.
LeBron destroyed the team with his emotional/low-IQ demand they trade KCP, Caruso, etc. for Westbook. He's not an intelligent person. He might be an intelligent player, but that's a whole nother thing . Can't wait till he retires
Anyone who said its the 55th pick it doesn't matter has to completely change their tune now. Its one thing to draft him when really his talent doesn't place him viably in that conversation, but he isn't on a two year deal or two way. They guaranteed 4 years for 7 million. Thats completely unheard of full stop. I really don't mean to throw shade on Bronny. He is a kid trying to navigate a dream in an immense shadow. Im sure thats a complex reality and I have empathy for that. But from a franchise POV, Klutch and Lebrons stature this is an embarrassment with fingerprints of a pattern of delusions. For me this really does affect LBJ's stature if only as a demonstration of maybe his biggest flaw. Obsessively dictating terms and decisions to his own detriment. Consistent questionable talent around him has often been from his own doing.
@@EdeDizon Thanasis wasn't drafted by the Bucks and it was after Giannis 1st season so he wasn't drafted as a ploy to recruit Giannis either. If Bronny was drafted by another team and signed to play with Bron years down the line this wouldn't be a big deal but in this current situation Bronny is only in the league because his dad wants to add the narrative of him playing with his son to his flawed resume 😂
Thanasis played professionally in Greece and got drafted to the Knicks when Giannis was in his 2nd year. And Milwaukee fans have criticized Giannis for years because of that. And the other brother got criticized for winning a ring with the Lakers too. But both of his brothers didn't get drafted to the bucks. Bronny got drafted to the Lakers to make LeBron happy
@@marcodraven9778 Yeah, because usually teams blame their superstars... Like for example. The Celtics just traded Tatum after his terrible 2022 Finals. Moronx shouldn't be allowed to speak
@@edgardoMurnia lol your king never gets the blame for losing from the media, his teammates do and end up on trading block every 6 months even tho he is the common denominator
@@tdup191 So you mean that the Chicago Buills should've traded Jordan through the 80's when they were losing all the time? Your are a great basketball mind. And yes, he does gets blamed all the time by the media... and also he gets defended all the time. That doesn't mean a team would trade him as they wouldn't trade AD. BEcause that would be stupid. For you, normal, but for normal people, stupid
The only thing I hate about the nepobronny pick is that they now trying to lie and say he earned it and did it all on his own, like seriously y’all gonna try to gaslight America? Lebron trying to pull a trump and lie his way past the obvious truth. 🤣
If time has shown us anything since they traded all those young guys to get AD. Can we really say the lakers drafted wrong? All those guys they drafted with the exception of kuzma. Turned out to be all stars or borderline
Yep. The 76ers had a version of this after Embiid established himself and the "process" still had a good pile of draft picks. The 6ers kept drafting guys, hoping one or two would be a good piece, saw that player develop a little, then gave up on the young player for another pick or trade, "tried" again. Repeating similar steps, never sticking with any group of young players, getting less in return each repeat, then wondering why they had not really amassed a good "young core"...
Lonzo Ball hasn’t played in two years and Larry Nance Jr has never been close to an All Star. He averaged 5.7ppg and 5 rebounds last year. Caruso was undrafted, Josh Hart wasnt drafted by the Lakers….you have no idea what you’re sputtering
@@roycedot okay so I was off by one player which is Larry nace. I also said the players that the lakers drafted. So why are you bring up Josh heart? For lonzo there were no injury concerns around him if I recall correctly when he was drafted. Injuries happen but they also don’t so why are you bring up that he hasent played in nearly two years? He’s wasent injury prone when he was on the lakers. Who’s to say if he was never traded that he would have still gotten hurt? Also those injuries don’t take away from lonzo talent. He fixed his jump shot , was and hopefully still can be a lock down defender, always had crazy vision and was a floor general. How is that not a great pick? Especially when you have Julius Randle? Or Ingram he would have set them up all day
to be fair, any other player that gave me 26/7/8 54% fg and 41% from 3 on just 18 shots, im saying take more shots... yes his defense is poor until it counts nowadays but ive seen teams build around worse defensive max players...his production says max player, its about as good as Kawhi was last year pre injury and no one says Kawhi isnt a max level player when healthy
Stop with the BS about how great it will be to see father and son play. It’s nothing like the Griffy situation lmao. Y’all are high or trying to gaslight us with that one - Bronny has only shown us that is going to ride the bench. It won’t be heartwarming and fun bc it’ll be a mess and the team will suck and prob (hopefully) LeBron will have some cope and seethe moments or even a few meltdowns on court bc Bronny is so trash.
I was speaking it at the time. I wasn’t all in on Bron coming over bc I knew it was gonna blow up the young developing core for 1 maybe 2yrs of of Chip aspirations. We stomached the yrs we were trash collecting lottery picks knowing we’d have a young core to watch grow and develop. Then start adding auxiliary pieces around em like OKC/GS/ or even Boston. Knew signing Bron was gonna blow all that up and make the yrs we were garbage for picks seemingly be for nothing. Got a chip, but still feels a bit underwhelming
@@shorewall ya and Kuz. Definitely a cool little squad that woulda been our squad. Home grown. We see where we stack up after a few yrs then look add a pieces or swap a starter or 2 for a star to play nx to BI and Randall. Who knows. We’d have been in a good spot. Young w/ assets instead of old w/ klutch players Bron wants that he can later blame when things go bad
I remember all the platitudes for Jeanie Buss being a great boss for the Lakers, but she’s been every bit as inept as her brother (the one she fired). How they accidentally won a title in the bubble is beyond me.
Yes the Lakers are a mess. No one in their right mind would want to play or coach there. It's a mom and pop operation in an age of analytics and billionaires., and easily one of the 5 worst run teams in the league.
Problem with the Lakers isn’t the roster, problem with the Lakers is Lebron and AD aren’t top 5 players anymore. In 2020 Lebron was the best player in the league and AD was probably 3 to 5. In 2024 they’re like the 12th and 14th best players in the league. That’s why they were a play in team despite AD and Bron playing basically a full season
by the end of this conversation, it was very much a "Kobe would never" difference in approach to basketball the sport you play at the highest lever. Kobe went down with his ship, LeBron has created holes while masquerading as giving the people the opportunity to plug the holes because a great player like him is worth plugging up a leaky boat for.
All I want to know is how AD feels about this BS. Like he’s cool with wasting another 2 years of Basketball? He’s gotta play with Lebron his son and his coach. If I’m AD I’m hitting that eject button a month into the season! Trade me please
The #1 thing for me is that by Lebron forcing the situation, but ensuring his son got into the league, it is robbed of any specialness a Father/Son team up could have had.
It was a 2nd round pick, not that big a deal. What will make it a big deal is JJ being coach because JJ will ensure he gets play time which is why JJs there in the first place. The lakers will turn into Bronny’s basketball camp with Lebron as the head counselor.
@@kevinc8955 Lebron still forced it to happen. The magic isn't there. It is entirely manufacture and thus the awe of finally seeing a true father/son combo in the NBA is stolen from us
Jeanie Buss gets the team from her daddy… Team executive Linda Rambis is wife of Kurt Rambis but everyone is mad a Bron… the double standard is ridiculous
Jeanie father OWNED the Lakers and typically ppl tht own assests pass them down to their children. Bron doesnt OWN anything in the NBA so his son getting drafted just to push more false GOAT narratives is hardly a double standard. If Bron got Bronny a job at Klutch after graduating college there would be little to no backlash
Lebron hasn’t built up the emotional equity that Kobe built with the fanbase. The fanbase doesn’t care about Lebron and Bronny if they’re not winning a championship. Lakers fans are getting tired of the circus and wants results. The fanbase will turn on Lebron because his yearly act is getting stale!
He literally only compared them playing with their fathers lol. How you gonna get triggered when right after, he mentions the vast difference in their talent?
i agree with both of them. if bronny got drafted under these circumstances, that means the option to go pro would always be there. it feels disingenuous for bronny to say he wants teams to look at him for his talent and not his name then have rich paul call teams telling them he wont show up to training camp if they pick him. should've stayed in college and have a year that makes it undeniable that he's ready. i think he does have the talent to be a good pro, but this situation feels forced. i hope the best for him though and im looking forward to the moment him and bron share the floor because thats just cool
The 4-year deal - getting Bronny a contract so he can chip in for a tiny piece of the Vegas franchise and get some experience for his future role in the front office.
In all honesty, I think Jenny Buss should sell the Lakers...she would get way above market value and be one of the richest women in America after the sale.
The guy is the cowboy hat does a brilliant job of describing the Lakers' situation, right up until the part about Bronny, where he seems kind of hesitant to speak his mind. Let me fill in the part that he's hesitant to say: he doesn't like the Bronny thing because it's MANUFACTURED. Just like other aspects of Lebron's career, where he was obsessed with trying to mirror Michael Jordan's career. This father/son thing is his new obsession...and as great as Lebron is, he is incapable of just letting things play out naturally and needs to try to control the narrative.
0:12 Bill's smile I can't even🤣🤣🤣...that smile sums up the way Celtics fan's have been feeling since banner 18 and this Lakers dumpster fire is the cherry on the top!!!
I'll be honest there are alot of bron fan mixed in with younger laker fans that make it a delusional fan base...gone are the days of dr buss who was about winning and buness...now it seems about business minus the winning
Jordan never made the playoffs with the Wizards, Kobe never made the playoffs his last four years, so I think LeBron is more than content that he'll never get another ring
This needs to be point out ; There is a business side of the NBA that people often forget: 1. Other teams where interest in Browny, aka he was not gonna be 55th pick! That’s why rich Paul called team to tell them, Lebron and Brownie is not a package deal and not to draft Bronny cause its Lakers or Australia 2. With his fan base, the Lakers are gonna make much more money in jersey sales than with a random 55th pick 3. sports with salary capt makes superstars like Lebron underpaid! So you have to give them perks like this to compensate…
@@SSJRome Everyone else built a roster to endure the grind of a 82 game regular season and the playoffs not being played at Disneyland in front of nobody. The Lakers were the ones with a roster full of old dudes and injury prone dudes who benefit the most from being rested for and during the playoffs. Further evidenced by them not being able to hold up for an entire season+playoff run ever since then.
@@bikramarora1819 lol basketball is basketball man whether fans are there or not there ain’t no fans in your backyard or at the park it’s still basketball stop the excuses.
they are right, the Lakers need defense. But LeBron basically stopped defending entirely after the bubble Championship. You cannot win anything with 4 defenders on the court
“I’m watching guys not want to be Lakers. Since when was that a thing?” Idk…2014/2015? FAs not wanting to be Lakers goes back to Lamarcus Aldridge. Durant not taking an interview from them. The fact is that for all the complaints Lakers fans have of Bron, he gave them a gift by choosing to play there. He got AD there. Their Front Office ineptitude dates back to the last years of Kobe. They take care of aging stars but they’re not competent roster builders.
Imagine telling some kid that grew up in the projects or war torn country that a player that their better than 'deserved' to get drafted and that wasn't nepotism. Now imagine telling Tyrese Haliburton that some rookie deserves half what you have had to bust your ass in incentives to earn in your career and its guaranteed. I'm not going to root against the kid, but I'm going to give him the time of day he deserves which is none.
