No matter what your personal views on this matter are I think it's very important to remember and keep in mind that the LGBT community is NOT asking for special rights. They're asking for EQUAL rights.
@@him6683 Adoption wala Argument To hai hi nahi. inheritance ka kya lena dena "marriage" hone ya na hone se? inheritance ke liye personal codes me provision hote hai, Chahe Vivahit ho ya na ho nominee wala option reheta hai. Insurance wala koi solid Argument nahi hai, Uske Liye Insurance policies me changes kar sakte hai, Marriage ki avashkta nahi. Spouse Privilege in Government Job hi bacha bas!
Everyone should be with their partners and no legal views should be hurdle in it. Frankly ancient India was more liberal before British brought all these useless laws on us. They left and accept LGBTQ in their own country but we are stuck in it. I may have personal opinions but I do not have right to impose it on others!!!!!! Everyone has right to live their lives as long as it doesn't effect or impact others!!
You know absolutely nothing about ancient India. Homo telations have always been considered unnatural and an offence against the nature itself. Just because people inncolonised countries want to bring the same set of culture lifestyles and philosophy and living standards as their westerns colonisers does not mean it is an effective remedy to modern problems.
Constitution is created by the society it is governing. It’s not other way around where some self proclaimed scholars keep screwing up the society. It’s We The People… not I’m the judge and court will tell you how and what to do
no the answer is no, now good luck ! better keep ur dirty behaviors within yourself or you will be publicly straighten up. this is not ur dirty america. go there and eat poo
@@himanshumaurya7543 I'm straight but if homosexuality as a concept comes from the western world, how do you explain the erotic engravings in ancient temples in Rajasthan that's depicting homosexual relations? For a fact the Kamasutra also mentions homo sexual relations ( i have not read it but heard on the internet)
@@hkps5082 what if i told u from tomorrow, u could only marry a person who is of ur sex only, then what happens, always when presented with a problem before i make somebody the villains of u r narrative, first put yourself into their shoes before opening your mouth. And to answer your question they are not making laws they'll just extend the laws considering it into law of privacy, equality and etc. Just like they de criminalized 377 and did it rightly.
@Hk Ps India is a constitutional democracy with a parliamentary system of Government hence it is the Constitution that is supreme and not the politically expedient will of elected representatives of the day. As Supreme Court at the apex of the Indian Judiciary is the highest authority to uphold the Constitution of India it has the final say into making new laws! This isn't the first time it's happening idk in what century you living in.
I'm in love with a girl and it's a live or die situation for me. My whole life's fate is depend on the court's decision. Me and her living or dying depends on this....I'm crying while writing this even after being adults I feel so vulnerable...if they don't hurry up and decide..to accept us.. her family will force her to marry someone else..and the very moment will be the last day of my life.
I'm very happy with progress until now I hope they'll legalize gay marriages and not dispoint our human faith as it will affect many gay people mentally because it's still affecting .
Courts don't make laws. Lawmakers do. The introduction of gay 'marriage' is something to be decided by democratically elected lawmakers and not appointed judges.
@@Nonalhomophobie No it's not. Discrimination is when equal things are treated differently. Homosexual couples are not equal to heterosexual couples as one can procreate and the other not. The most fundamental goal of marriage is procreation and raising children. If that fact hurts your sensibilities than that's your problem.
@@rayj.4527 Homosexual couples and heterosexual couples are equal. The procreation criterion is hypocrisy, let me point out that we allow sterile couples and menopaused women to marry. Marriage is for love and commitment and it has nothing to do with procreation. Nothing compels a married couple to procreate ; nothing prevents an unmarried couple to procreate. You are not superior to homosexuals, sorry if that shatters your futile feelings of heterosuperiority.
So they think that adopted children would have bad impact if they have parents like us ! Do you think every child have safe environment now or they don't have bad environment in their homes ?? come on let us live like what we want we are also humans beings just like everyone
I hope the decision will be in favour of gay and lesbian people. India has the second-biggest population and is now set to overtake China, which means we have the largest population of gay and lesbian people in the world. I hope we give all these millions of people their rights so they can live their lives equally, and the people who have wealthy privileges don't have to leave the country to live their lives equally and how they want.
Everyone has right to love they wish, if they are not harming anyone. Live and let live. Edit: If only society normalize queer relationships, adopted children wouldn't feel out of place at all. A family is family, be it one father-mother, two fathers or two mothers...
Gay's are present in over 500 animal species. Homosexuality is an evolutionary trait virtually every animal specie has. Our closest ancestors chimpanzees , bonobos , monkeys , gorillas , and great apes each had homosexual populations ranging from 10 - 80 %. People don't choose their sexuality. Homosexual unions are found throughout nature , and throughout history. In India gay men and women are mentioned in the kama sutra , gita , and vedas and are all talked about favorably. To move forward we must accept science , we must accept dharma , and we must accept our gay community. Jai shree ram ❤️
Evolution trait. Off springs get evolved. Off springs come by generation birth. Unfortunately some gays and lesbos or too short minded that they lost brain and compare them with monkeys.. i think they lost their 6th sense and happy they r monkeys....
People harping about 'natural'...What exactly is natural in marraige? Marraige is a social- legal construct made and have kept ammendment by humans all these while; didn't even just recently have the discussion of raising age limit for marraige? Stop suddenly changing things into 'natural' and painting only the things you like as 'natural' when it fits your narrative. And just because you are ignorant doesn't mean homosexuality is not natural. There is homosexuality in many different species. There is even sequential hermaphrodite animals which change its sex at one point in their life. So save your non existant 'natural' argument until you find the marraige certificates of birds and bees
Other animals changing sex naturally Doesn't mean we can unless it's madmade using operations and manufactured chemicals. Don't delude yourself we may be similar but we are not animals
@@Rin_Chawngthu the only delusional person is you. A person cannot change his sexuality. A gay cannot become straight. In this case, gay people, who cannot become straight, should be allowed for same sex marriage
Judiciary enforces constitution not religious texts. Religion has nothing to do with constitution. On that fact alone, all religious arguments should be nullified. And sexual discrimination is illegal. So, it shouldn't even matter what sex marriage couples are. Quash these unmerited petitions and get on with it ❤🎉
People who ill-treat others because they are different are sick. I have different views on homosexuality, but this does not mean I will treat any of my homosexual acquaintance bitterly.
Gay and lesbian is okay as they are hormonal But some take it too far and that's the issue We've issues with trans men who identify as women and enter their sports with a male physique And there are many such issues in Western countries because of being too much woke I still believe their are two genders only based on genitals Rest are just sexual preference NOT GENDER
@@atheisttttt no you still haven't got it in her full video she tried to explain different between sex & gender you don't want to even understand it you're still stuck on genitals . Also you've mentioned about sports in that case even some stright women have high testosterone levels if you think LGBT community will get unfair advantage no it's not first because such people are only allowed to participate in olympics once they're on the same capacity as any other competitors they've to undergo a full medical text
If you think being homosexual is "unnatural" and "illness" , let me tell you, The biggest tech company, Apple, it's CEO is Gay. The Pop icon Freddie Mercury was gay. The computers and mobile you're using is because of Computer science and the father of computer science and Artificial intelligence, Alan Turing was gay too. The song which you listen to, "Cheap Thrills", Sia is homosexual too. Prime minister of Ireland, Indian origin, Leo Varadkar, is gay too. Prime minister of third richest country, Luxembourg, Xavier Bettel, is Gay too. Four olympic medalist Tom Daley is Gay too. Also, famous Indian athlete, Dutee Chand is Homosexual too. So before you spend your "2MB" of internet data on social media for calling out "ill" homosexual, think twice.
who told you rich ppl cant be mentally ill..? yall are a bunch of psychos who are straight but just jump into this shit because its trendy in west. biologically transgender is still understandable but straight people changing their genders is a disorder . yall are mentally sick and try to validate it by saying some influential people are also gay.
One of justice of supreme court said that Those whose pockets are filled up with money reach to courts every now and then , while its a crime for poor/middle class to even of think for courts rest people knows everything.
I appreciate My Highness Hororable Chief Justice of India for his concern towards homosexual situation in heterosexual community of their own production. I hope My Highness comes to a consulation that pleases all. God blessed all his creation why we despise? Mr. Metha asking a question what name should be given to homosexual community. I have got two good options 1. Shivpursh community or 2. Narsema community or My Highness decide the third option that pleases the middle community. Aasman se gira aur khajoor mein atka.
This matter is very subjective. These discussions and debates should be done in parliament (both lokshaba and rajyasabha) not in supreme court. I remember the same happened for Jallikattu in Tamilnadu. Some animal activists very smartly approached the supreme court and made supreme court to ban the Jallikattu. The ban completely hurt the cultural sentiments of Tamilnadu at that time. Then the entire people of Tamilnadu state had to protest and removed the ban through parliamantary system. What I meant to say that people of the country should be involved in this kind of discussions. If everybody agree, then pass them as a law. By the way I neither support not opposite the same sex marriages. I respect the sentiments. I wish this has to be done in a democratic way. By doing so, the people will accept whole heartedly. Jai Hind!
So much you talk but you can't research on what basis jallikattu was banned ? It was because congress government paved the way for it and then sc banned using it. There is difference between normal laws and laws concernijg fundamental rights. Since LGBTQ issue violates fundamental rights, sc is the body which should interfere and parliament is not necessary to intervene.
@@megharaj4989 Jallikattu is my culture and it's my fundamental right. You don't need to teach Jallikattu to me. If you strongly believe that the same sex marriages are fundamental rights, then let people and parliament decide and pass them as a law.
Exactly. Why should anyone be forced to accept someone's homophobia and not marry his or her love of life. Koi uncle ko nahi pasand aaya to mai shaadi ni karunga...aise kaise chaltega. Isliye it should be legal.
@@ishukalra3894 because it always starts with "we just want to get married🥺" to suing a couple who have different ideologies for not wanting to make their cake, groom children, rag kweens sexually dancing infront of kids, telling kids they are born in the wrong body and confusing them, causing them to chemically and physically mutilate themselves
@@Rin_Chawngthu because it always starts with “we just want to protect marriage 🥺” to belittle them, beating them, torturing them, enslaving them,stoning them to death, throwing people off buildings, going 💣💥and crying Jesus loves me coz I hate and kill people and support this 💅💅
same-sex marriage should be allowed...a good number of gay people are marrying straight people for social conformity only to divorce later, or even worse, staying together and destroying many lives in the process. This can save everyone.
Aise te courts bas purane cases karte rahe and aage bare hi nahi. Aise to India ke bureacracy me kitne cases pending hai. Desh kabhi chal hi nahi payega
@@ishukalra3894 even if Jesus didn't say it, it's still different from animals able to change their sex naturally. Homosexuality is a sign of a civilization on the path to destruction
Didn't Vishnu had mohini avatar where he was a female? Why don't you go and ask him in prayers that why he had a female avatar and tell him your biological shit
Mondays and Fridays are the miscellaneous days in the Supreme Court. As per the normal practise, the Constitution Bench of Supreme Court does not preside on miscellaneous days. However, in this matter the CJI orally remarked that they would take up this matter even on miscellaneous days.
Leave people to live like how they wish to live .... How many children become orphans just because of Hetero Couple Egos and selfishness.. give the chance to live happy life to those kind of children may get better parents.. parents Never Describe must to have Father and Mother...
I being Pakistani congratulate to indians colleague for moving ahead with gloable changes.. I am a lawyer & following live streaming. Truly inspired by the marvelous performance of Dr. Abhishek Manu Singhivi and have no words for his matchless excellence in threading the argument. Note. I am not gay. I am Sapiosexual. A thunder of applause for the all counsel who are advocating the cause of petitioners ❤
@@deepakss4431 A confused hell to homophobes only. It's not hard to understand : legalizing same-sex marriage = more for LGBT, nothing less for heterosexuals. And what does being a man have to do with anything ?
गे, लेस्बियन होना आपराध नहीं है तो , इसका मतलब क्या है, गे लेस्बियन, लोक अपनी शारीरिक जरूरतों को कैसे पुरा करें??????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 व्याभिचार से या ग़लत संबंधो से??????🤔🤔🤔 विचार करने की जरूरत है, भाई, गे लेस्बियन जोड़े को शादी की इजाज़त दी जाये, ताकि वो लोग भी इज्जत से आपनी जिंदगी एक ही साथी के साथ जीवन भर बिता सकें।🙏🙏🙏 शादी करने वालों का ही समाज में सम्मान होता है। बाकी हसी और घृणा के नज़र से देखे जाते हैं। गे लेस्बियन जोड़े की शादी हुई तो उन्हें भी सम्मान और इज्ज़त मिलेगा जिसके वो हकदार हैं। 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent. I enjoyed the content and the way it was presented. Keep coming up with the such videos on various topics which helps in understanding the sequence and outcome in the growing society.
It is not just about giving permission to same sex marriage, it has the potential to go beyond that. In countries where same sex marriage is allowed faced a major phycological phenomenon within that society, if 2 same gender persons are close friends people started doubting their relationship (RRR type friendship is very rare in such societies, but it is very common in India) in these countries, friends don't keep their hands on each other shoulders as other people might get them wrong. And this will lead to a dipressed society as true friendship is no longer available and in such societies suicide rate is also very high. We must consider such phycological issues before coming to any judgement, i am just highliting few of such phycological issues. It can change the fabric of our society not because of few people get married with same gender but coz it will effect everyone even those who are not interested in same sex marriage. I REQUEST ALL: if you agree with me then please share these thaughts, so it can reach to the law makers.
@@ishukalra3894 psychological effects like not being able to have proper conversations and just barking like animals in front of those who disagree with their views like U S democrats?
@@Rin_Chawngthu yep exactly that. Just like you are doing it here. Not being able to handle people with different sexuality than yours getting equal rights and coming here to bark on them. I am sure you also bark on them in real life too. So toxic. And this is in Indian context. No democrats or republicans here lol. Please get treated for your mental issue/s.
Talking like we women trust you men, hetero marriages has more conquest and psychological on. impact On women by that logic ban the marriage as an institution as whole
You are talking Indian is happy country in the first place 😂 nordic country that legalised it scored thehighest, you are talking like current marriage system is some heaven for women from dowry ape, Psycholo
Who were the parents of LORD AYYAPPA; the answer is VISHNU and SHIVA when did VISHNU became a woman, Many incidents of Same Sex Marriage is there the Ramayana and MAHABHARATHA
You forcing a gay man to marry a woman is same as someone forcing you to marry your same sex. How does it feel? Injustice right? So let people make their own choices about their partners for life.
I live in France and I am very surprised this is happening. Of all the countries where gay sex is not criminal, India is at the bottom of the list of the countries I expected to move forward, especially since they made it legal only 5 years ago. If same-sex marriage is legalized it must be the shortest period between the two happening.
Step in the wrong directions. Indians trying to keep up with the west.Not even animals indulge in these kind of acts.Indians weakening to the power of the west.Shinning India.Even weak African countries taking a stand.
there are millions of pending cases and Jokers are feeling this case is most important to appease the international media. Jokers should leave that to law makers and not dictate the terms to law makers
Anybody can marry anyone.. In our hindu mythology, if you analyse mythological elements, one can find that in earlier times hindus used to marry Banyan trees, cows, dogs and other objects..Then why not one can't marry another person irrespective of gender?
this shows the incompetence of modi government. instead of taking this issues in parliament they simply bypass to SC, which itself degrade the electorate democracy. And we all know, our honourable HH Milord who cannot go wrong. he is the new prophet.
You want gay people to be treated as 3rd class citizens in this country? You don't even know how they are and yet you continue to call them names and hate on them. You are more of a disgrace
@@Nonalhomophobie OMG, I'm going to cry...I don't give a shit! I live in the real world. If you want to live in a belief-made-up world I think a mental hospital is the best way. Take your words and shove them up your behind as you do always. Do not disturb my society!
@@crombajaa No, you don't live in the real world. If you did, you would admit that gay relationships are as loving and legit as heterosexual ones, and you would know homosexuality is nothing of a mental condition. Oh and stop projecting your anal sex fantasies on me, thank you. Society does not belong to you, and LGBTQ people are also part of said society, so quit whining like an egotistical little brat, the world doesn't turn around what YOU want.
They should legalise marriage ..This way instead of 4 people, the lives of only 2 will be spoiled..Imagine getting married to a man or woman, and realizing he or she is a L or B or G or T or Q or whatever or everything rolled into one
@@aaaryan_goel omg.. blessed? Really?? Ask ur parents how they r blessed when ur born and how how ur spoiled when raised.. well they should have been same sex couples they wont be spoiled by ur presence and u wont be given a chance to blessed in birth and spoiled while age.. wow..
They can pronounce with accent. See? Now you cry marriage, love, acceptance, inclusivity, we're victims blah blah blah. Next you'll tty to erase real women, and bring corruption just like west. Even threatening violence. We know you people have no shame
In my view, LGBTQ community deserve a better solution than marriage. Marriage is a broken system within and without and is not universal. The intellectual genius of Supreme court with the involvement of society concerned should design a new system that is foolproof and free of ills of the borrowed marriage system.
Whats the problem with it , Now gender ratio so skewed, and gender biased laws, and avg life span falling below 70 ,still they want to debate on it ? If they are comfortable that shouldn't be problem. I think problem is what happens next (What about divorce, dv, 498A in those cases)
They should get legal status dont you think the court has individual mind set and it all depends on their personnel opioion & can be very biased 😮and may not get justice????
i really really hope they give the LGBTQ community with what they deserve (basic rights that every other indian has) 1.but i am a bit concerned about dissolving the two genders 2. i hope this further doesnt turn into what is happening in the west currently
@@Nonalhomophobie 1. we cant dissolve the two genders, i.e, males and females and let people identify themselves as whoever they want. they should accept themselves for who they are. also, upon dissolving the two genders, there may come a time where males could have access to female bathrooms and vice versa. either ways it would be too uncomfortable for others, also im not mentioning the fact that many crimes could occur at such instances. 2. the so called "woke culture" has resorted to being offended at anything. people are literally lettting their children have transgender transition. people are promoting obesity and cancelling those who are bringing up the health benefits of staying healthy. people are identifying themselves as "cats" and "dogs" and are coming up with 100s of different self made pronouns. this is quite concerning
It's only my opinion, if you don't agree.. it's okay we all have different opinions and everyone in the world are victims of propoganda of one or the other side. My question is Why they only give reference to Hindu marriage act and wants to legalise this kind of marriages in only Hindu marriage act, why not Muslim and Christian act ?.. Is they think only in Hindus LGBTQ are present ?.... Or It's an another attack on Indian values... In India , from ancient time LGBTQ people can live without any pressure from society But there was never legality of their marriage . (I think From 16th century may be LGBTQ people are facing discrimination from society because Indians influenced by Westerners and other invaders ) --------------------------------------- And if they remove advance notice in the special marriage act, love jihad will increase and many more Hindu girls will be found in fridge or suitcases... I think Now atleast may be 10% of the girls are coming back when their parents convince them ... Parents able to do it because they are notified before marriage.... I think these people want that should not be happen....
@@Umrao979 Yes Secular country, But Current Idea of secularism taken from the west... Which is not resembles most of Indians except urban elites and western influenced people... We should rediscover , redefined the secularism as per indian tradition
1. Love is Universal where as marriage is not. We love our parents, our friends, our colleagues, our neighbors, our pets but we don't marry all. Love is unconditional where as marriage may or may not be. Marriage is not the culmination of love. 2. Marriage has religious approval and sanctity. Marriage has specific end goals. Marriage is a means to achieve that end goal of religious and the spiritual nature. Marriage is also for social order. 3. To address the issues related to same sex preferences, do not interfere with marriage system which is specific for another issue. In stead, design a new vehicle or means to solve the issues of same sex preferences. 4. You have no business to meddle with the marriage system to address unrelated issues. Marriage may not be a solution to issues related to same sex preferences. It's only temporary. Whereas if any changes to marriage system happen, they have a permanent impact on the society. 5. When asked about the collegium system of judiciary and its problems, CJI suggested the current system is the best one but the problems associated can be corrected through other means. Taking the same analogy, shouldn't we be addressing the lgbtq problems without amending the marriage system, but genuinely through other means. Some of the genuine means I think of are, a. Educating the people, both lgbtq and the rest of others, b. Strict implementation of the Law and order in this regard, c. Making specific amendments to laws such as adoption, inheritance, tax laws etc. without legalizing the marriage. _----------------------------------------- I'm not sure if it is a popular belief, but marriage is not free of problems and certainly is not a panacea. By embracing marriage as the solution to the current problem that lgbtq is facing they will certainly inherit all the ills of marriage. In my view lgbtq deserves a better and more suitable solution than marriage. Marriage might work as a Band-Aid but not a foolproof cure because of the inherent problems that marriage system has. The bottom line question is what does the lgbtq community want. Solution to the problems they're facing or Marriage? As marriage system is designed to cure other social problems, the need of the hour is to design a more appropriate system for lgbtq community which will give them respect and all the benefits that other fellow citizens get. Another point is marriage may appear at the outset as a fashion but it comes with a lot of baggage not just of the present but past and future as well. Any married person a man or a woman can vote for this. Being a Grihasta (గృహస్థ) and leading a family life is not a cakewalk not a fashion. My sincere suggestion to my brothers and sisters belonging to the lgbtq community is that 'seek solution to the problem and not marriage' Are we as a community intellectually bankrupt to design more appropriate system than borrowing the current marriage system with all flaws and align with the rest with pride and dignity ?
Let stick to special marriage age. 1. SMA is made by govt and it's is secular in nature. Sobno religion angel. 2. As it made by govt. and according to our constitution govt. can't discriminate on the bases of sex so that's make SMA misalignment with constitution. 3 in case an individual (any individual) feels that that his FR is being violated by state, he can go to court for remedy. And it's a FR too under article 32. So that's how it becomes a judicial matter too
1. People marry out of love. You don't talk for people who do that. 2. That's just your opinion. 3. Same-sex preference is not an issue to begin with. 4. You have no authority to decide how same-sex couples should solve their "issues". Legalizing gay marriage will have a permanent impact on society, which is decreasing homophobia as a whole. 5. Legalizing gay marriage is the right thing to do. It's the only way to make same-sex couples as valid and accepted as heterosexual ones. You do not decide what is a "better solution" for LGBTQ than marriage.
Let us repursue the statement of Jaya Bhaduri that it is not necessary for her maternal grand daughter to know the name of her father. The realization is slowly being realized in western society the adverse repercussions / fallout of failing family system. The same will be detrimental to discipline in Defense and other Uniformed Services ( Police / Para Military Forces ) . Above all our Sanatan / Vedic values get crashed out with adverse effect on Bhartiya Society. Jai Hind
God... Where india is going... gender neutral, queer, transgender for what for same sex marriage? Hope so chief justices realise where such things gonna let go to india... may God mercy on us
@TRAVEL FOR LIFE I'm not poking nose into anyone's life it is people like you who is poking nose in everyone's life... how the hell would we know about your private life unless you announces us huh?.. stop displaying your bedroom life to the world no one is interested in your sexual identity... moreover the fact is God never created gay genes... no one is born gay there is also no scientific proof of that so you are going against his law try harder next time because your sense of humour sucks and what UAE and African countries are doing they for their beliefs and culture to protect their children from delusional and perverted people like you so that their generation do not get into sinful path for the justification of progressive world... to suit every degeneracy nonsense. May God deliver you from your delusional world🙏
Supreme Court doesn’t work according to some imaginary friend up in the sky, all is equal in front of law . Funny how you wanna deny someone’s right because it goes against whatever doctrine you follow
@TRAVEL FOR LIFE if its in court its evry other business.. if god is k with same sex there wont be need of parvathi or setha u fool. God right direction.. wow.. imbeciles...
