Ellie and Joel switch sides at the end. That was the Tess moment from episode 2. Ellie runs ahead while Joel is still waiting at the grave. Tess gave Joel a mission he wanted to fulfill as her last wish. The relationship that Joel had with Tess was similar to Ellie and Sam. Ellie promised (unspoken with hope) Sam the cure here and couldn't keep this promise. She now wants to make sure that this never happens again. As Tess said at the time "save who you can save". Ellie really has a mission now. Indirectly get through her feelings of guilt. She wants her blood to work. Before that, she was someone who had no control over anything. Others have determined where she grows up and where she has to go now. "I didn't ask for this" were her words in episode 2. Now that has changed. Now conviction plays a role and she takes control. She wants to save the world so that there are no more Sam's. And while Joel gradually finds his humanity again and lets people into his life again, Ellie loses a little more of herself and she takes the lead here in the end. I think the series showed that more clearly in this way than the game did. In addition, Ellie and Joel have reached a new level of connection with each other. Wordless understanding. Both wanted to save the brothers during the attack. That wasn't Joel's "don't do it Ellie" look. That was the look "I'll give you fire protection Ellie". And Ellie has absolute confidence in Joel. There was also a little joke about the game. The moment when the sniper shot and Henry and Sam senselessly ran out of cover, only to return immediately. This is how Ellie behaved very often in the game. She ran out of cover, right in front of the enemy and then back again. Kathleen kills traitors. This is not the point that makes her particularly malicious. That's what you do with traitors. The people who betray their own people are worse than the enemy himself. You see the enemy coming, traitors shoot you in the back. And you have to assume, if you let them live, that they will do it again at any time. In the history of all revolutions, very few have ended bloodlessly, and very few have left their enemies alive after their victory. They were lynched. So nothing happens here that hasn't happened 1000 times before. In addition, there are no more laws. The only thing Kathleen does differently here is that her focus is exclusively on revenge on Henry and unfortunately at the expense of everyone else in her group. She was a good leader for the revolution, but when that was done, someone else would have had to take over. And, of course, she was a deviant, reluctant person. In the end, unfortunately, she was right. You cannot "fuck with fate". Henry sold all his people and the revolution for medicines, killed indirect a good and important man and Sam died anyway. This by his own hand. It doesn't get any worse. On the other hand, if Sam hadn't betrayed the leader, the revolution had never come, because the leader lacked the radicalism his sister had. It's just a loose loose situation. Misfortune on all sides, no matter how you spin it. I felt Kathleen's death was fitting. I mean she made it clear beforehand that she didn't care about children (wtf) and was then killed by a child clicker. An interesting feature of the show so far is that real brutality is only shown to us when Ellie sees it. We see Joel beating the soldier to death in episode 1 because Ellie is there and sees it. Ellie tortures and kills the stalker in episode 3. We see Joel's sniper kills because Ellie sees them. We see Henry's death, Sam being shot and Kathleen's death. With all other killings (Old Sniper, Bryan) you only hear it because the camera is focused on Ellie while she doesn't see these killings herself. Unfortunately, I didn't like 3 little things about the episode because they were outstanding stupid written and therefore out of character. All 3 scenes concern Henry. They enter the tunnel and he senselessly begins to speak louder than his normal volume. The same stupidity then again shortly before the sniper. And he just lets Sam go forward in the tunnel to enter an unsecured room, this kindergarten. That was just inappropriate, because this character is actually clever. On the other hand, I found it really good to make Sam deaf. In the end, this opened the door for Sam to show Ellie the bite and then she could stay in the room with him without being attacked. He simply didn't hear her. Better than solved in the game and has given Ellie even more depth. She really hoped she could help Sam at that moment. I don't know if you played part 2, if not read no further. SPOILERS but with reference to Kathleen. Ellie becomes Kathleen. In principle, she does nothing else than Kathleen. A loved one is taken from her and she goes on a vendetta campaign. All this at the expense of her friends and without considering the consequences or she accepts them approvingly. So if one didn't condemn Ellie for that at the time, maybe one shouldn't do the same with Kathleen.
Sam's death hit me harder than anyone else's in this series just because he looks like so many little boys I know and kids in my family. Cried like a baby even though I've played the game a dozen times.
Sorry but I disagree with everyone hating on kathleen. Kathleen while not in every bodies eyes was doing the correct thing, but she did have a motive to do what she was doing. We all have a go at her for been stupid or contradicting herself. But im sure if we had a loved one taken from us. And we had the chance to avenge them. We would most likely do so.
I agree with you. As someone who has lost a sister who had a beautiful and gentle soul, I understand Kathleen's vengeance. Yes, her decisions were wrong, but it's not easy to forgive and let go when the one who caused the death of your loved one is still free and hasn't receive justice.
Sorry for your loss and you also make a valid point. That’s the great thing about storytelling and art in general. There could be many perspectives to the same action. I just can’t overlook killing kids or innocent people.
She was prepared to kill innocent children out of revenge without hesitation, and prioritised her petty revenge quest over the wellbeing of her people. Of course she has her reasons like any TLOU character, but she’s definitely a villain and I don’t have too much sympathy for her.
Your perspective is a valid one. It’s a scenario made of nightmares. It’s a curious topic, right? What if?! I just can’t overlook the willingness to kill a group of people like in the cell and children. That’s not vengeance at that point.
@@TheRomansReact true...you can never justify killing innocent lives. All I'm saying is that vengeance can blind people, even I was on the verge of that, and we're living in a civilised world... imagine what it would be in their world where laws are no longer applicable. It's easy to make calculated judgment as an observer, sitting away uninvolved and unaffected by problems, dilemmas, emotional and psychological trauma. But when we're put in the centre of the situation, to be level headed and keep emotions under control is an extremely difficult thing to do. To understand this perspective is not about gaining sympathy. It's about understanding the psychology behind it. Cause and effect that could turn into a snowball effect.
In the issue of a personal vendetta, bloodlust does not justify the exclusion of others. Kathleen isn't the only one who has suffered. Her story was just brought to light on the show. For the past 20 years, they have all been through hell. As a result, you don't protect the people who lived through hell with you, instead you make decisions purely motivated by revenge. In episode 4, Perry showed her the largest and most critical issue. Honestly I was anticipating Perry to counter her demands and take better leadership in episode 5. Make her personal revenge a "4th priority" after the welfare of the people, the safety of the compound, and the elimination of the infected underground. Despite her "understandable" motives, it does not justify the loss of everyone, including Kathleen herself. Sorry, just my opinion.
The child clicker was played by 9 year old Canadian gymnast and contortionist Skye Cowton. The movements were all her, and she did her own wire work when she jumped on Kathleen.
