Funny how we all hear about the persecution of the early Christians being fed to the Lions, etc., but I never heard about all the pagans tortured by the Christians when they got power.
@@blueduck9409 the population wasn't converted by means of torture and the _Catholic_ Church strictly speaking is the church founded by Jesus Christ. "Catholic" means "Universal" in Greek. Whatever denomination you belong didn't exist for the first 1,500 years of Church history.
Christians were fighting against pagans in northern Europe well into the 1300s. Islam had brutally conquered two thirds of the then Christian world by the 600s and held nearly all of *Spain* for centuries before the Christians pushed them back out. It wasn't as if Christians acquired some invincible power structure when they became the majority and paganism died out. Christians are almost always outnumbered in their battles.
Catholics are not true Christians. The second you walk into a Catholic church and take part in it you break every one of the important commandments. Thou shalt not worship an idol thou shalt not bow down to a False Image. shalt not pray to anyone except for the Lord thy God in him alone shall thou worship. not Saints not statues not demi gods, Not pagan gods, not fallen angels, not anything else. Catholic is The Universal Church of the Antichrist it is not The Universal Church of Jesus Christ. The Catholic church is made to mock Jesus Christ because the leader of the Catholic church is Satan himself. For the Bible says this is no Marvel for Satan himself transformed himself into an angel of Light into to see the entire world. Satan doesn't need to be the one to leas into fleshly sin Satan's role is FALSE RELIGION. The Catholics were violent because they were not true sons of God they were not children of God they were not followers of Christ they were not even Believers in Christ they believed in 1,000 different gods and they just added Jesus Christ into their Blasphemous pile and hope for the benefits and never believed in Him and used His name to go and kill people. Guess who founded Rome? Descendants of zeus and venus. The beastly blahphemers
I am the son of Zeus, with his guide I shall be just I am the son of Hera, blessed by her at birth I embody Haephestus whenever I enfuse my work with passion I am Dionysus when I cheer and share meal with my friends I strive for beauty to praise the glory of Aphrodites Apollo lead me by day , Arthemis brighten my path at night I fight fiercefully as Ares stands by my side Poseidon protects me from stormy seas ahead I respect nature ad Demetra taught me I pursue knowledge with unquenchable thirst as Athena light my path I will not be afraid of joining Hades and Persephone when the time will come.
Colossians 2:15, KJV: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. They were defeated and humiliated at the Cross of Jesus Christ. From that point on, no man saw a pagan "god"/ devil again. They are filth, they are devils, they are blaspheme and no gods amongst or compared to Jesus Christ. The one who sits on THEE THRONE most high.
It's the whole point of patron saints and exactly what leads to all the protestants or evangelical faiths regularly frotting at the mouth. As it was once so eloquently put: "Keeping people who have kissed statues and left votive offerings for millenia from kissing statues and leaving votive offerings is impossibe. The only thing you can do is change the names and faces." Ever wondered why literally all old European churches are built on old temples? And why the rituals to venerate a saint are largely copy/pasted from the ones used to appease the gods of old? Because people liked to go drop off two sesterzes at the Mercury temple for a save journey, so Rome decided to give the temple a little make over and now you go to St. Christopher's to drop off two bucks for a save journey.
Yeah but that wasn’t really the point of the video. It’s more about how long the preceding and dying magico-religious society endured without interruption in a hostile Judeo-Christian, and Islamic world.
I never knew there was information like this out there. You’ve answered so many of my questions and I’m anxious to learn more. Your voice is so easy to listen as well. Some of the comments are helpful too. Glad that RU-vid brought you up as a suggestion.
Interesting. Are you a revivalist group set to reclaim old truths? Or a Neo- pagan ideals left from original faith mixed with others. Just curious. Love history and people's ability to hold onto hertitage and culture 😁
@Diogenes how do you know you are worshiping the old gods correctly and accurately considering that religions been dead for well... quite some time now?
@@alexsutton2271 only the church will tell you that our religion is dead. Anyone with half a brain will see when studying European traditions and culture that Europa always has been, and always will be, Pagan.
@Gabriel Serrano 505 I mean Washington DC was founded in 1790 which was basically 1000+ years since the greeco-roman pantheon was last worshipped consistently. The "founding fathers" were rich protestants or vaguly theists to the point where they are borderline atheist who were into grecco-Roman architectural styles which was popular for formal structures and statues in the enlightenment Era that's why statues or buildings look greek inspired in DC. Just because a type of architectural style was popular doesnt it mean it was divinely inspired by Zeus it was intentionally built that way because they like the asthetic
They probably don't follow exactly like the old followers but I wouldn't be surprised if there is small sects or groups that genuinely practice some sort of faith towards old Olympian and other pagan gods
The pagan gods and goddesses are more relatable, because they have distinctive personality traits and flaws more like human beings. They are also generally aligned with natural forces that are part of their worshippers' daily lives. Because paganism develops over time and is based on tradition, it is generally less dogmatic and intolerant than "revealed" religions like Christianity and Islam. Hundreds of pagan cults coexisted for centuries which ended when Christianity and Islam took over the levers of government. While Greco-Roman paganism did have animal sacrifices, these sacrifices were generally eaten by the worshippers, with the exception of sacrifices offered to the chthonic gods and goddesses of Hades, where the animals were completely burnt to ash. On the other hand, pagans didn't tend to have holy wars and slaughter thousands of people in the process, and Greco-Roman religion frowned on human sacrifice.
zeus is still worshipped, as he is none other then the Euro version of Indra of the Vedic pantheon, so, in India Nepal and Bali of today, Indra (thusly Zeus) is still worshipped
Serious question: what does it give you or help with? Are you part of a community of worshippers? I ask because my experience with religion is that it is community building above all and provides basic (and advanced) principles of how to interact ethically with a community and individuals. You should be able to take the god out of the picture as the “Because I Said So” base and still have people with a set of rules who treat each other with respect; don’t murder or steal; respect contracts and have labor laws. Does worshipping Zeus et al provide any of these frameworks? Is it solely a private ritual with no community aspect? Trying to understand from a firsthand source.
@@sarahrosen4985 Are you familiar with Hinduism or Shintoism? Traditions like these are the best way to understand the worship of the ancient deities like the Greeks Gods. As in, everyday worship was mostly done in the home with the family but you would go to temple to participate in sacrifices on special occasions like festivals. Unfortunately, we are for the most part scattered now but in ancient times there would have been a very strong communal component.
Keep in mind, the Latin word for "God" is Deus... as in Zeus, and it's still used by the Roman Catholic Church as the word for God. Not to mention that culturally speaking the lightning God of the Greeks was Deus-Pater or Jupiter of the Indo-Europeans. Which also formed the basis for El Shaddai of the Phoencians which went on to become Yahweh El of the Jews so...
That story of that brit who stole Demeter's statue hits right at home... It shows that even after 400 years of turkish occupation and in total almost 1500 years after being violently christianized we Greeks have not lost the connection with our local dieties. Might be instictuous connection to the land. No other way to explain it. But man it made me sad.
@@shmigo.gambino So? Persephone was abducted by Hades in Eleusis. There are many many different versions of where the Gods came from but since there never was a "bible" per se, any hellenic region/city made their own myths about the gods.
@@andreavgr and to be fair enlil abducted ninlil into the underworld as well, what I said was a little unfair because it's all one. Just wit everyone's own flavorb
@@shmigo.gambino haha no problem although sure there is no doubt early Greeks were heavily influenced from Mesopotamia and other earlier civilizations they had trade relations with. Religions are a bit cut and paste throughout history. In the same way Christmas is actually a Pagan celebration. What Herodotus did was wander around and gather different stories from people he interacted with so no doubt there are many many different myths about the gods and each city honoured them in their own way.
@@raviolijones5351 Men like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar believed in the ancient Gods just like I do. Surely you can agree that men like these believed in Themselves.
So is the Judgemennt and Wrath of God. Jude 3:Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time handed down to the [c]saints. 4For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [d]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [f]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints(chains, tartarus) under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after [g]strange flesh(angels and humans mating and animals), are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Colossians 2:15, KJV: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. They were defeated and humiliated at the Cross of Jesus Christ. From that point on, no man saw a pagan "god"/ devil again. They are filth, they are devils, they are blaspheme and no gods amongst or compared to Jesus Christ. The one who sits on THEE THRONE most high.
CORRECTION: The man's name was Claudius Ptolemaeus (pronounced "Tolemy", WITHOUT the "P" sound) and he WROTE "The ALMAGEST"! It WASN'T part of his name.
@@MrDaAsif No more than the "G" in "Gnaeus" is pronounced in Latin. The name is said as "Naeus", not "G-naeus". BUT...... maybe THAT'S where the old slur of "ginney" for an Italianus came from!! 🤔🧐😯
@Peter Diaz As in a Wiccan larping as an ancient Greek or do you accurately go out of your way to reconstruct a dead religion? When you revive a religion that's been dead for 1500 years how do accurately worship something that no one has in centuries and know your doing it correctly?
Not sure how anyone can argue that the pagan gods became Christian saints. Christian saints are real people. They were all living human beings sometime in the past 2 millennium unlike pagan gods.
I was reading that greek and roman religion stopped building temples and maintaining them centuries BC, after elites adopted more philosophical ideas and that also opened the path to Eastern religions to come. Tbat explains may explain why some regions converted so fast while others persisted for centuries.
I did a poor job of explaining it. It was too much to cover but even rhe ancient greeks questioned the gods. One of the reasons Socrates was put to death was for consistently going around Athens and making people question the existence of the gods, among other things. But yes, by the time christianity was created, there were already deep cracks in the religion of hellenism. And christianity as a religion had alot more to offer than hellenism in terms of afterlife, salvation, etc
@@HistoryFirst Agreed, and I really doubt a religion, any religion, could grow so fast if it was not a niche for it already open. Christianity and Islam did not even come close to growing as fast in India, not because they did not try, for example.
@@HistoryFirst yeah but gods are all symbolic, Athena=wisdom, zeus=life Cronos=chronos( means time in greek) And so on. The only way to worship the gods is to be like them.
That part at the end that goes over the British museums stealing artifacts from small groups of people like they have a lot is always sad and annoying to hear
You could make an argument that a heavenly father archetype in worship has never really gone away, whether it was El, Bael, Tengri, Shangdi, Saturn, Zeus, Odin, God The Father, or even Allah. All of them were or are seen as heavenly father figures who are "the most high" and seen as kings of the universe in their perspective religions. All we've done in the modern day is proclaim that The Heavenly Father is the only God worthy of worship.
The Hellenistic Faith is still heavily practiced today. It never fell. Just shoved into the closet by cults like Judaism and Christianity. There have always been worshippers of Zeus and the Olympians. And our faith has been growing stronger and bigger each year, with established temples in Australia, North America and Europe. An estimated 200 people come to the Hellenistic faith each year. There is no hidden secret. It's just our faith is not demanding. loudly obnoxious nor shoving people to "convert or die."
Would be interesting to see and hear about those who still worship the Hellenic faith. What are you guys up to, if anything? How do you view politics in light of your religion?
I'm just taking it day by day, man. I pray and make offerings to the Gods when I can and I constantly think about how to suffuse my life with Their worship. Politically speaking, you'll find that there's a pretty good variety of political stances. Me personally? I'm a moderate /left libertarian. The ancient world held a variety of opinions too so it's really not that hard to fit stuff into a polytheistic framework though I do believe that some things are going to be more inline with the traditions than others and I personally try to steer to what is consistent with my Gods. I see it as a balancing act. I try to adhere to the tradition but not so closely that it prevents me from living today. We're not the ancients and we don't have to be. Our religions can evolve. I would just like to make sure they evolve in ways consistent with the tradition rather than in ways that limit and damage the tradition
this video is pretty good if you just want the Grecian view. But there's a majour point if you want the bigger picture: Zeus is only 1 variant of the Proto-Indo-European god Dyeus Phter. He was called Dyaus Pati in India, Dzeus Pater in Greece, Jupiter in Rome, Týr and Heimdallr in Scandinavia, Daghda in Ireland and more elsewhere. He took on different roles in different cultures as Pagan gods typically do since different cultures have different needs. if you want to know more, Religion for Breakfast and Survive the Jive have great videos on Dyeus Phter here on RU-vid. Highly recommend.
Jude 3:Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time handed down to the [c]saints. 4For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [d]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [f]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints(chains, tartarus) under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after [g]strange flesh(angels and humans mating and animals), are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Colossians 2:15, KJV: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. They were defeated and humiliated at the Cross of Jesus Christ. From that point on, no man saw a pagan "god"/ devil again. They are filth, they are devils, they are blaspheme and no gods amongst or compared to Jesus Christ. The one who sits on THEE THRONE most high.
The last? Neopaganism is still one of the fastest growing religions/spiritualities, worldwide! And there's actually people in Greece who practice a reconstructed form of historic Greek Paganism. I think Vice did a documentary on them. It was actually quite lovely! It's quite lovely to see people in Europe and The Americas re-embracing their native faiths!
The video is about how late into the Dark Ages, and in his last example, Middle Ages ancient paganism survived without disruption from Christendom and the Caliphates. It’s not about broad-Neopaganism, Hellenic reconstruction, Trad witchcraft, etc. It’s a different topic to what you’re referring to and he did a great job.
The opening sentences are very wrong. Today there are over 5,000 worldwide mainly in Greece,Italy,USA,and South America that worship the Greek pantheon.Also I'm not talking about wiccans or any other more new age movements I'm talking about what's called polytheistic reconstructionism. See polytheistic reconstructionism entails reviving a religion using primary sources,archeology and anthropology,and personal experiences through worship to near accurately reconstruct a polytheistic religion .
Thank you, im still a new channel, if you like my channel id recommend subscribing to it, or sharing my videos to any others interested in greco history
I enjoy your content and have recently subscribed, and I wanted to ask a favor if I might. There were a number of big flashes of very bright light and of quite long duration in your montage. If you're going to use an effect like this, you might want to warn your audience, as light of the brilliance and duration featured here can initiate seizures in photophobic epileptics. I'm not epileptic, but two of my friends are, one of whom is photophobic. A 200 lb man suddenly having a full blown seizure while sitting on your couch, peacefully watching a video is disconcerting and not a great way to spend part of your evening, what with the ambulances and all. Just FYI.
The artwork and video were great. If you would like constructive criticism, then two areas where I think you will certainly get better over tiime are in delivery and pronunciation. On delivery, I mean only that it's clear you were reading froma script. You might try working with just bullet points and then editing together a "final" audio track. Either way over time things bet better with practice. On pronunciation, there were a few words I know what you meant, like "monophysite" and a couple where I think I know, as in the sentence (17:18) "According to Anthony [Kaldis], Jusitinian was the last Roman emperor of [enumical?] important..." I am sure you mean "Kaldellis" and "ecumenical," as I have the source (Procopius of Caesarea: Tyranny, History, and Philosophy at the End of Antiquity). That's completely normal, as we all mispronounce words we've only seen written down, though for words like 'ecumenical' you can find the pronunciation online. (Also, in that same line, Kaldellis refered to Justinian as the "arbiter" of the Roman legal tradition, rather than "arbitrator." There is an unimportant technical distinction between the two words ('arbitrators' only settle disputes in private 'arbitrations' whereas 'arbiters' can settle disputes in general even without a formal proceeding), but I note it because it was otherwise a quotation from Dr. Kaldellis.) Much luck to you and your channel. I have subscribed.
Kurt i want to thank you, i really need these kind of comments to improve my work, thank you so very much, im working on a new video, visiting south america, i hope youll enjoy it
Good stuff man. Constructive criticism is rarely accepted well but almost always needed. I often wonder if the ppl making many of these type videos are using them for college courses or just actual history nuts like myself. Either way, any way.. there's always room for improvement.. in everyone and in every way. Unbiased opinions are huge and mentors are gold
@@GS-by7ci I think some people take it very personally, but in the academic world or in making art, you gotta keep learning.. also these types of videos are more for history nuts and to spread accurate historical information in the wake of ridiculous civilization theories
The words Pagan and Paganism are Christian words. They originally meant "all non-Catholic religions". In modern times, It has come to include Protestant Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, the religons that falsely claim to be "Abrahamic". So keep in mind that the words "Pagan" and "Paganism" means all "Non-Catholic" or "Non-Christian" religions, in other words, Pagan is all the other religions of the world except Christianity, and that is how the term is being used here.
Excepting the use of the words "Pagan", Paganism" and the claim that Christianity is a monotheistic religion, this an interesting and informative video. Thank you.
In Romanian the word god means: dumnezeu ... literally: our Lord Zeus (from Latin: dominus Zeus). Very probable that some scattered Dacians were among the last worshippers of Zeus. Today the Romanians claim that they were christianized very early, from the time of apostle Andrew onward, but this seems very unprobable. Since Dacia was not part of the Roman Empire anymore, when Christianity became state religion there, it is much more probable that pagan believes continued to thrive there much longer.
I guess Zeus lives on in Latin Christianity like here in the Philippines where we call God specifically God the Father as Dyos Ama or Dios Ama, using the name Zeus or its derivative(s) for a different God altogether,...........or is it? in the end we might be referring to the same God, the sky god, God of Heaven..........the old skyfather.
Pretty cool video! But I think you should be careful with visuals/add a flashing light effect, as around the 3:50 mark there are some flash effects and I fear this could lead to problems.
What do you mean about modern sect worshipers? The modern Greek State already from 2017 has officially recognized The Hellenic Ethnic Religion (Ethnic meaning Native). it is not a new invention but a continuation of those who continued to remain faithful to the mother religion even under persecution during the Byzantine period. A classic example of the Polytheist philosopher of the Middle Ages, George Gemistos Plethon, who is also considered the spiritual ancestor of the Renaissance in the west.
Theres an mayan poem i heard i think, “from the stars turning to dust, all men fall from the earth, darkness rises, the gods die… winter has won… though flowers, bees and trees bloom again in spring” point is theres always a recycling… the neanderthals were forgotten for a long ass time only to be remembered in our current day
You're hope is in the only true God, who preached righteousness and love and eternity with Him for faith and relationship with Him. Jesus Christ is God. We are eternal beings , you will live forever with Him. Or die the second death of the soul with zeus in the lake of fire. 🔥. May God bless and guide you
@@ZachLifeTravelWord you know a guy a couple hundred years ago was saying the same thing about Zeus or El or whoever main deity was popular. Even before Christ their was gods that were worshipped as the one true God. Why is this any different?
@@RandomPerson28337 El was Saturn/kronos/geb, Zeus dad, El was 1st generation nephilim. What is your question. I can prove these devils false and Jesus Christ True a 1000 ways.
@@RandomPerson28337 because there are only two stories there are only two precise sets of Gods. On the one side you have a long list of pagan gods and on the other side you have Jesus Christ you have the monotheistic Faith right. When you research all the Pagan religions they are obviously not created by a loving caring God. They are deceptive in evil and disgusting and Lead men who worship these false gods into thinking it's okay to rape your own family members to have children by incest to have sex with animals too lead women into beastiality. I don't care if Zeus was given special powers because his grandfather was an angel. Zeus use those powers to transform himself into animals to have sex with women to blaspheme God. What exactly is your question can't you see a difference. Judaism leads into Christianity every single Prophecy in the Jews book of the Bible the Torah, the Old Testament whatever you want to call it every single prophecy every single book every single chapter points to Jesus Christ as God and God himself said that he blinded the Jews because of their disbelief paganism look at them now running Freemasonry in Kabbalah where they worship the black and white the yin and yang they worship Lucifer in God and think it's okay) also they were blinded in order to lead the Gentiles into faith and that because the Gentiles would have faith in Israel's God, the Jews would become jealous at the end times and it would all of it would all come back to Unity in Christ. Muslims declare Jesus born of virgin, they deny His Sonship. Yet they don't realize Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
the last worshippers of Zeus, are just the modern worshippers of Jesus. it's telling, how dumb humans are, that all you have to do is change the name and some personality characteristics and everyone thinks it's different.
graphixkillzzz, Jesus has almost nothing in common personality wise with Zeus, guy. He wasn't a horndog like Zeus, Christ didn't have fraternal civil wars constantly like Zeus did on Olympus, what Christ offers is substantially different than what Zeus offered or even stood for. I can't think of any real similarities at all aside from both being their religions' respective "leaders" and Kings of their realms.
The emperor did not "create" Neoplatonism. That's not even an accurate term, middle and late Platonism as shown in the Hermetica and Plotinus respectively are far more apt.
@@jach99 I listened back again and the subtitles say "bahiasm" which imo does sound closer to the narrator. But I've never heard of this religion. It's at 3:07 in the video...
@@jamesdonnellan6123 It's Baha'ism there. Tho I do think it's correctly refered to it as the Baha'i faith, without ism. Zoroastrianism was in a later part of the video, where he lists religions again.
If Reckfellae and JaeZi is in, I'm out. I'm not mad about it. The Netherlands (seperate from their friends) still have the opportunity to invest. Request to submit this statement to the US Supreme Court.
Dios is just the linguistic namesake taken from Indo-European language. Christianity was a near Eastern religion that came from a long line of Jewish religion, it isn't somehow an offbranch of Hellenism.
@@obligatoryusername7239 words have meaning if I say "fuck you" you should say oh that's just a Germanic term, you should take offense to it. Same way if I refer to my god as papa deus( zeus pater) it should refer to Zeus not El or Yahwev cause if i was trying to reference them by their titles/names (adoni,adonim) . Thays like me Invoking Papa Legba and calling him it really might work but you gon look stupid in the process.
@@obligatoryusername7239 bro respectfully. Linguistic name sake sounds so stupid bro, so the Roman's when they stole the catholic christian religion from the Gnostics tradition or whatever , that they took the name of their chief god [papa deus] who is the lord light and lord of the day, and just used it because? Latin isn't English buddy where you can just make shit up or say the word God and nobody know that Gaut/Gott, is an aspect of Odin.
@@obligatoryusername7239 Hebrewism is copy and pasted from atenism and the other traditions of sumerian and Egypt. Which was taken by Rome to form a knew one state mind control system. It is indeed exactly that an off branch of hellenism with the truth of the old eastern African religions. Which all human religions descend from anyway.
@@shmigo.gambino Deus is a derivative of Dyeus from Indo-European language. In the same way that many, many basic words share similar variations across indo-European languages. Including "daughter" (in Sanskrit, duhitar, Greek thugater, Latin futir), mother (mater in Latin, meter in Greek, matar in Sanskrit), sheep (originally ewe in English, ovis in Latin, avis in Sanskrit). Deus in Latin doesn't even refer to the Christian God, it is just a word that means "God". In the same way in Arabic, Allahu means God and is used not only by Muslims, but by Arab speaking Christians and Jews.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think you said Puh-Tolemy Almagest. First, the P is absolutely silent. I’m less sure if this but to me it sounds like you were saying Almagest was his last name when it was a book written by him. Please correct me here if I’m wrong.
In Greek the 'p' in Ptolemaios (Πτολεμαῖος) was pronounced, as the language more regularly allows for two stops at the start of the word. Some English speakers still do that for words and names like "Ptolemy" or "chthonic" (often pronounced either k'thonic or as "thonic" depending on the medium). Leaving the initial consonant silent is the norm in English (that's one the arbitrary rules linguists came up with in the 19th century) but I don't think it is strictly wrong to use something closer to the original pronunciation, just a relatively less common variant. I personally prefer the sound of "k'thonic" to "thonic" when referencing the Greek chthonic deities.
@@casey5654 yeah just because it's a bit awkward for an English speaker, it's the same situation as "tsunami", the t isn't supposed to be silent in the original Japanese, but in English it usually is
The first recorded worshipers of ZEUS were the Hindus, of the OLDEST "organized" religion in the World, who worshiped a male DEITY called "Dyaus Piter"; meaning "Father GOD". "DYAUS" is the Sanskrit origin of our Latin word for "god", "DEUS". He was the god of the DAY "DAYAUS" sky and associated with Light, hence his later relationship (as father) to the Sun god Apollo. SOMEHOW, possibly according to the theory (NOT credible linguisitically through any language connection) that the Hindis were the ancestors of the later Sumerians of southern Mesopotamia to which they immigrated from India, the god morphed into the storm demon of the "South Wind" monsoon/simoom PAZUZ that sweeps in each year from the Persian Gulf. PAZUZ fits the character of ZeUS because BOTH were associated with storms of wind, water, thunder, and lightening!! PAZUZ was supposed to be the "demon" that "possessed" the character "Regan" in "The Exorcist", but the name means "Father"(PA) of "Life" ZUZ/ZEUS), or more like the Jews and Christians would say the "Living Father". Like the Hindu "father god" Brahma, he had a good side like Vishnu the Preserver and a BAD side like Shiva the Destroyer. It was in the latter character as the "animal" spirit (animus) of wild Nature that he was personified as a wild ANIMAL in the image of a ferociously leonine mastiff (a type of stout dog) with the PAZUZ amulet figures, which were actually supposed to WARD OFF EVIL spirits, NOT attract them!! There is also a Sumerian story preserved on clay tablets called "Etana and the Eagle of ZU"; here we see the FIRST association of ZEUS with the eagle as his totem bird. It was from THESE ASIAN precedents that the Greek form of ZEUS developed that we know so well from Greek mythology. The LAST worshippers of ZEUS are ironically, as indicated by the reference above, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, and MOSLEMS!!! The Hebrew god is consistently described in the "Old Testament" and "New Testament" as the "LIVING Father" and the "Father of LIFE". As such, he FIRST created the ANIMALS in the Garden of Eden and then sent them to Adam to name them. When he tells Moses in the book of the Exodus on Mount Sinai when Moses asks him who shall he tell Pharoah sent him to him "God" says "I AM that I AM (HAYYAH HAVAH/LIVING LIFE), you shall tell Pharoah "I AM (HAYYAH/ the "LIVING") sent me to you." The "New Testament" character of "IESOUS/IESUS/JESUS" is PARTLY based on that of ZEUS (as when he says "God is not the god of the dead but of the LIVING") combined with the pronunciation of "ISIS". And of course Moslems revere BOTH the god of the "old" and the "new" testaments, though they don't consider JESUS "divine" but the greatest human who ever lived. And in the Johannine "gospel" JESUS states when he is teaching in the Judish temple court and a bolt of THUNDER sounds that that was a VOICE with a message for the people. Thus, HE is EQUATING his "divine form" of Yahwah/YAHVAH" with ZEUS, the Greek THUNDER god!! So the worship of ZEUS is indeed STILL with us TODAY!!
@@HistoryFirst Unknown, because the city cannot be dated by any remains. However the only deity images that have come from it are clay seals with the figure of an antler-horned human figure sitting in the yoga position. There is no iconography suggestive of Zeus. There IS an image of a Brahma bull. Another possibility for the association is cultural intercourse through commercial contacts between the Sumerians and the Indians since they are both in the Indian Ocean.
Constantine created the early Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Nicaea as a "kick back scheme" of Roman taxes to himself. He appointed his friends as Provincial Governors and Bishops of his new Church and took the Roman taxes paid to the pagan temples and directed payments only to his new Church. Constantine's Governor/Bishop buddies then paid "kick backs" to Constantine personally. It was all a plan for Constantine to get his hands on Roman taxes. Theodosius then initiated Christian massacres of pagans and ordered Christians to raid the pagan temples and take the gold and treasure of the temples ...... Theodosius then took his "cut" of the stolen gold and treasure. Organized religions such as Christianity are nothing more than tools of the crooked and corrupt to get their hands on people's money.
a channel named history first gives completely inaccurate christian history and then completely fails to substantiate it beyond a generic quote, i have multiple questions 1. How is Zeus God the Father and Jesus apollos? i’d love to see the scholarship on that claim, since you completely lack understanding of christology i’ll explain it, God is 3 persons whom share one divine essence, how is this malleable or similar to any form of paganism? next i’d love to see the scholarship on “Christians conformed to pagan ideas” where and when? 💀
I disagree that Christianity is "monotheistic".That is Christian "misinformation" (aka a lie). Monotheism means that those who subscribe to it believe there exists in all of space and time, all of existence, only ONE diety. Christianity is many deities: The Jewish God, YHWH, which they just call "God" (or in Greek, Theos), The biblical "Jesus" who was deified by Christianity and The "Holy Spirit" which the Catholics and Non-Catholic believers call a "Godhead" just like the trinune godhead of Brahamanism (which Christianity calls polytheistic) which, like the Christian Trinity, manifests on earth as three different gods. Additionally Christianity has additional deities, including "Lucifer" aka Satan [a non-biblical Character] alon with a host of "angels" and "demons". Then the Catholics also have approximately 10,000 "Saints", dead humans who have been deified by the Catholic Church and are worshipped by Catholics who light candles under the idols of their deities, offer up coins to these idols, and pray to pray to dead deified human beings (familiar spirits).
Like, how do you mean? Like literally eating a baby? No. No such thing occurred. Someone once tried to give Him a meal of human flesh before but He quickly became upset with the man who did this when He realized what was being served. So upset that Zeus flooded the world!
Not Zeus (Jupiter). Jupiter/ Jesus, Indra has a vision of love and memory and expansion. These are his character traits. Cronus, (Saturn) Satan, Enki, Moloch, Shani: Is about limitations and restrictions also death. Recycling Saturn 🪐 is know for cannibalism and human sacrifice. In mythology he ate his children. They are opposites.
//@@WildMen4444 : Like, how do you mean? Like literally eating a baby? // True exactly. I ask because: 1. zeus and baal are allegedly the same entity 2. burning children and "feeding them" to baal is an established and very famous sacrifice 3. in israelite tradition offering burnt sacrifices during sabbath as a form of worship was also an established practise That suggests: 1. the entire baal, burnt sacrifices thing was inspired by israelite tradition 2: the symbolic feeding of children to baal may have its roots in offering burnt children sacrifices to zeus
Well, if pagans wished to remain legal they should not wage wars against the emperors. Theodosius faced one revolt in Salonica and one war by the pagan Eugenius. It is written by pagan writers as Arrian, that the empire, if not pagan, must be destroyed because the gods are not appeased by official sacrifices… So there was no compromise for them, not the Christians.
@@xiuhcoatl4830 And Ammianus Marcellinus who ensures us that the birth of a deformed baby was the sign of the fall of the empire was clever? Pagan antiquity was the real dark ages.
@@ΔημήτριοςΣκουρτέλης Just as christians do with sea food and colorful clothes... or chemistry, astrology, astronomy or physics... like saying the universe is infinite being enough to be condemned to death. No, the christian age is still the dark age
So you tell me that the Christians imitated the pagans. Well, The pagan world consisted of human sacrifices, (Battle of Salamis, 3 human victims offered to Dionysus, Galatians and Greek victims buried alive ceremoniously in Rome as remedy to danger from …Hannibal) Execution of unbelievers (like Socrates) and the public burning of their books like Anaxagoras, legal exposure of infants to their deaths, custom that led entire cities to be deprived of population, as says Polybius, and obscure ceremonies with untold secrets. And I may inform you that Constantine, whom you hate so much, was pronounced GOD by the pagans after his death.
@@ΔημήτριοςΣκουρτέλης - There were no human sacrifices in Salamis. -The Roman senate specifically banned human sacrifices. -Socrates was killed for supporting the thirty tyrants, the accusation of impiety was specifically refuted. -Books weren't burned except if it was by enemies destroying them in wars, unlike christians that purposefully destroyed them. -The spartan deformed children weren't thrown out of a mountain but left in the countryside when they were found by others. -Constantine the infanticide wasn't deified by anyone except christians. Didn't your false mangod teach you to not lie? Then why you keep lying constantly? Its pathetic that you have to lie in such obvious way to defend your degenerate cult.
Well, it'd be really weird if someone did. It'd be like a Muslim naming their dog Allah. Zeus is the supreme deity of the pantheon and was one of the most widely worshipped Gods. He has names like Hypsistos ("Most High") and Panhellenios ("God of All Greeks"). He's a God of Justice and Law and Fate. The Heavenly Father. To name a dog that would be incredibly awkward. A theophoric name like Diodorus ("Gift of Zeus") or Diogenes ("Born of Zeus") would be one thing but just flat out Zeus? It'd be inappropriate
