The latest TWIST in the new Cleveland Browns Stadium saga: Dome is going to Brook Park

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Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb made his proposal to Cleveland Browns owners Jimmy & Dee Haslam last week. Now the Haslams have responded and everything seems to point to the Browns moving to Brook Park and creating a Browns World!
The day before Mayor Justin Bibb publicly released Cleveland's latest proposal to the Browns for renovating the existing stadium on the lakefront-a contribution of $461 million to the $1-billion-plus project-and asked the Haslams to respond by Aug. 12, the team welcomed officials from Brook Park for a series of meetings at Browns headquarters in Berea.
Starting at one o'clock in the afternoon on Wednesday, roughly a dozen officials from the suburb convened in a series of small groups in a conference room at 76 Lou Groza Blvd., itching to entertain the Haslam Sports Group's plans for the future of Cleveland Browns Stadium a few miles south of Cleveland.
By 4 p.m. that day, many had walked away with an answer crystal clear from their point of view: The Haslams are all but likely to pursue that 176 acres of land in Brook Park and a new dome over renovating the current stadium on the lakefront.
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@bobcarr5497 Месяц назад

In a perfect world a retractable dome in downtown Cleveland. I don't see it but Bookpark has a ideal location and enough land.

@vics7739 Месяц назад

I live in Las Vegas. NATURAL GRASS NO RETRACTION and UNLV also uses the facility for their games and recruiting. The A's will be playing where the Tropicana hotel was right on the strip. All year round the Dome has events going on.

@JustinBrown-q2e Месяц назад

State of Ohio are also building and updating the Cleveland Hopkins Airport 3 billion dollars. Cleveland Browns and Hopkins Airport can work together. To make sure that the airport can connect to Cleveland Browns new stadium.

@denisesunset Месяц назад

Build the Dome in Brookpark, Ohio

@dougforcht1598 Месяц назад

Keep preaching Earl the pearl this is stupidity burke airport is useless use the property for a new stadium and parking

@noirlycan1785 Месяц назад

Would be nice to have the Super Bowl in Cleveland. Build the Dome.

@Neglected-Nostalgia Месяц назад

Not worth it since we'd get to host like what?....once every 20 years? Even if we did get it right away, I wouldn't spend a grand on tickets even if Browns were playing.

@BendiTh3Grey Месяц назад

People are bitching now and in couple years will be happy when it's done

@Joshua.M.S. Месяц назад

Jay's spot on here. I live in STL now. the Cardinals ballpark now has massive bars where you can purchase day tickets in, butted up against the stadium, high rise luxury apartments that can see into the stadium, roof top bars doing the same, down the street is the new MLS stadium and guess what they built? bars and luxury apartments. They're all getting their money outside the stadium walls. Jimmy wants property rights, not whats best for the fans

@dreadbull5039 Месяц назад

A dome is fine if it’s retractable

@photonfartsqueeze6694 Месяц назад

I think that is key. If you’re going to spend all that money anyway, it needs to open up.

@Now10100 Месяц назад

How much money does Jimmy need? He's a billionaire. Money grubber. This doesn't put any money in pockets of fans but takes from them. First Energy stadium is about to go down in history as the only NFL stadium to NEVER host a playoff game. Think about that. Never. How about a new stadium after a playoff game in Cleveland. Win the division. Worst sports franchise history since 1999.

@tygur23 Месяц назад

Plenty of land sitting empty on 72nd street and it sits right on a freeway exit

@onlyonezay419 Месяц назад

According too them that land wouldn’t be able too sustain one

@tygur23 Месяц назад

@@onlyonezay419 according to who and where was this information released at

@Terence923 Месяц назад

Let's just tell it like it is....That 72 street sight waaaay to close to an URBAN AREA, not conducive to outer and inner ring suburbia residents😏😏

@kent6732 Месяц назад

@@Terence923. Brookpark location already have the train station, bus station and airport right there is part of it. And being at the merge of 480/71 helps from every direction

@tygur23 Месяц назад

@@Terence923 no difference with Haslem owning a mansion in Brattenal right off Eddy Rd

@wwz1011 Месяц назад

Raiders have a retractable grass field that they roll in for games, then roll back outside. It weighs something like 9.000 TONS. Players want to play on grass, it's better for them, fewer injuries and it's better for the fans. NFL should eliminate all artificial turf fields.

@tbright3441 Месяц назад

Man move the stadium to Brooke park. It's the best move for the region

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Месяц назад

Elaborate.

@nodaysoff7070 Месяц назад

Agreed

@aliciarobinson8636 Месяц назад

No it’s not

@jeffkuhn6003 Месяц назад

For those on the east side??

@nodaysoff7070 Месяц назад

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia well as the game started, a lot of family and friends came down, and we definitely rep the Browns. The panther fans were in full talk smack mode. They're going to ride Baker to the playoffs, and I tried to tell them I'm no Baker hater 😒 I thought he'd be a Brown long term 🤔 things didn't happen that way. ( I still rock with Baker. I actually felt he should've shut it down and got surgery and not played that season half healthy. As the game goes They're just a talking this is why the Browns suck yata yata. When the tide started changing, they didn't want to Keep exchanging smack.. lol SMH

@raulhavana5448 Месяц назад

Haslams are worth 13 billion I'm sure they can afford to pay for it out of pocket.

@sirchi8731 Месяц назад

Just because someone is worth 13 billion does not mean they have 13 billion in cash. Sometimes public money is needed

@TheChamrod04 Месяц назад

@sirchi8731 they just sold pilot/Flying J for 13 billion in cash to Warren Buffet. The haslams are one of the few owners who are cash rich and not Billionaires in Name Only

@sirchi8731 Месяц назад

@@TheChamrod04 I hear you trust me...but these owners aren't playing...and city act like they are saving money by standing up to public funding....when in reality...lose of jobs results into more stick ups...and everybody ain't about that life. It's best to work together

@Terence923 Месяц назад

@sirchi8731 Not really man..think for a moment how many jobs THE STADIUM actually employs. Browns employees work in Berea. Stadium jobs except for maybe what 25- 30 maintenance workers are all seasonal. 8- 10 games a year...That's why I always laugh when they talk about JOBS. 🤣😂

@sirchi8731 Месяц назад

@@Terence923 either way...the owners usually get that tax money. So jokes on u. But good debate

@BigDeckEnergy. Месяц назад

Building a dome in brook park does a lot for Cleveland. The venue can be used year round. State championship games could be played there. No interruptions for the browns during construction. Once the dome is done they can do something nice where the old building currently is.

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Месяц назад

How does it benefit Cleveland? All the tax money will go to Brookpark.

@frontierlandfrank5314 Месяц назад

@@TalkinnGrubbinMediayou don’t understand how events work do you? Just because people will come to the event at the stadium doesn’t mean they’re not going to do other things in the area.

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Месяц назад

@@frontierlandfrank5314 Would they still go Downtown if there are options around the stadium in Brookpark?

@frontierlandfrank5314 Месяц назад

@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia depending on the time of year, there’s other events around the city that may entice them. Either way, why would you want to go into a dirty city when everything is in a much nicer area?

@JS-wl2zh Месяц назад

@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia have you ever gone to an away game? I have and you definitely go explore the downtown area and spend money. Cuyahoga county benefits from it

@waynecourt5970 Месяц назад

Guardians are good they can keep the city going... Brook Park Dome!!!

@aceiscool11 Месяц назад

“We are loyal to a fault. 0-16 we throw a parade” 🤣💯🤘

@RKStud1350 Месяц назад

Why do you all piss and moan. I'm from NW Ohio Browns 4 Life. I think it's exciting. Why the hate and yes I'm not a fan of Haslam's but business wise dome is the answer. Dome should have been built back then. Too late for that.

@80aj Месяц назад

LMFAO. When 3 people who have 0 clue how geology and construction works. But hey, pretend it's Sim City. Ignore that the Browns stadium, and 3 miles into Lake Erie, it's BUILD ON A GARBAGE DUMP! Literally it was a scrap yard in the 30 and a dump. The ground can't hold the weight. But, it's cooler and gets more views to make it look like it's a argument.

@ritalayman9396 Месяц назад

Brook park is a better location for everyone

@jeremeryjett4695 Месяц назад

Brook park isn’t even that far lol. I want a dome bc I think it’d be a better option. Too dang cold up there in Cleveland.

@anthonydemauri4095 Месяц назад

lol it’s 13.5 miles away…this isn’t Baltimore and Modelle, you stay on i90 for another 10 minutes to still watch the Cleveland Browns, but now you can do it wearing shorts in December

@ericbarr6812 Месяц назад

Cold? Where?

@onlyonezay419 Месяц назад

BUILD THAT DOME JIMMY

@nodaysoff7070 Месяц назад

Build that Dome Build that Dome 😂

@rodmiller9895 Месяц назад

I agree we need a dome!

@rodmiller9895 Месяц назад

Jay I love you on channel 3. But I’m telling you I’ve worked for the Man for years. I would support him is the best thing you can do. Trust me he is looking out for everyone! We need a winning season! He is a business man that has been successful. He took a company that was going backruped and made it successful! He will bring a Super Bowl if you follow the play and run it!!! He loves to win! Rod Miller

@timharsch5896 Месяц назад

Hell yeah, and Jay doesn't like it but haslams is doing it for the fans been doing it for the fans, so deal with it! The city hasn't played nice since they got more control when we the fans protested and won to keep our team!

@timharsch5896 Месяц назад

Thank you ron! He or them the Haslems have been doing since day one;best ownership since paul!

@hophewles9300 Месяц назад

I want a dome!! Downtown ❤ but at the end of the day a dome 🎉

@anti-validation Месяц назад

I really hate explaining this. Socialism and capitalism are economic policies. Communism and Democracy are forms of government. The USA was a socialist democracy from 1945 to 1981. Socialism is a closed system. If you tax everyone at 100%, and give everyone the same income, that's socialism. Nobody will argue this. From 1945 to 1981, all income over $200,000 was taxed at 90%. Tax policy subsidized demand by taxing supply. This is important because the late 1800s was unregulated capitalism. JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnagie, etc...underpaid their workers for profits. Workers couldn't afford the products. Layoffs for profits. 40% unemployment. Trickle down economics is this...with government debt. The only reason Communism failed is forced markets vs free markets. You buy potato because only choice is potato. You buy EV because only choice is EV. Democracy without free markets also fails.

@ryand5725 Месяц назад

Would love to see the stadium across the river from tower city district… which the city is putting $1billion into along with dan Gilbert’s real. Estate companies $4billion

@davidlane1169 Месяц назад

I seldom get riled in sports babble unless it's local. Thumbs down on trying to discourage this move to a dome for the Cleveland Sports scene! Like fans haven't been subjsected to some of the worst sort of weather that EVER happened/horizontal rain & 50mph wind blasts, who in their right minds still wants to take on Lake Erie week after week? Like pro opponents are not enough? This is going to happen so time to pull up them big boy pants or PLEASE step aside. Thanx

@demynngashepherd8588 Месяц назад

Traffic will be a hot mess on game day along with the airport traffic, cleveland isn't Boston, it just add more inner city divestment, go to brookpark I'm not that loyal, what about the restaurants and bars.

@charleschunky04 Месяц назад

Tower City should be a hotel casino a long time ago. Downtown has to change and this Mayor is Trash from a business point of view. Dan Gilbert try to make the city understand we need a big upgrade to downtown. Casino and bars open to 5am. This fan base is very hard working. They deserve a FUNTIME!

@dasritzoo9234 Месяц назад

"We are all shareholders" I cannot disagree with this statement more. Incorrect in every possible way. The Haslam's do not care about Cleveland, and never have. Worst run franchise in all of sports that has put out a garbage product for most of them owning the team. If we were all "shareholders" in any sense of what he's saying, the Haslam's would have been booted by proxy votes ages ago. They are an embarrassment for Cleveland. Thankfully we have two good teams that still play in Cleveland. Have fun with the.. Brook Park Browns lol

@boosted2.4_sky Месяц назад

Personally the Brookpark dome is the best idea.. It's right up the road.. not like they leaving Ohio.. It's his money so what if he actually cares about making a profit..

@Neglected-Nostalgia Месяц назад

People: OMG I'm so scared of the future, global warming is going to kill us all Same people: We need a dome since the 47 degree average Cleveland December temperature is just way too cold

@mdwolf15 Месяц назад

Even with this so called lakefront makeover there is nothing sustainable about the lakefront. The stadium was 298 mil to build to bring browns back, they offered 460 mil around there. Come on thats a joke. Now there was a guy that did a design of a dome on the lakefront but its just difficult to be sustainable in downtown cleveland.

@BufordDuckworth Месяц назад

I'm tired of subsidizing a billionaire's family business. Having the Browns in Cleveland never put a single dime in my pocket. And they have always sucked at playing football anyways. I'll never understand why you simps give so much of your time and money to a guy who literally holds a city for ransom. It's shameful, honestly.

@mrthomas20 Месяц назад

What Bibb did is the same thing Mike White did in the mid 90’s. This is all political theater. For months he’s said there would be no public money for the project, but the day after he makes a very public proposal.

@dakotapullins8941 Месяц назад

I think you guys value the Browns fans that live in Cleveland way too highly. What about Browns fans throughout the rest of Ohio that don’t care where the stadium is? They want the team to have the best possible conditions and facilities for the players to play in. We outnumber the fans that live in Cleveland by 10 times. Who cares if this stadium is in downtown

@kevv_brwn00 Месяц назад

I’m with earl I want a dome but I want it downtown in the heart of Cleveland I really really hope it doesn’t effect CLEVELAND to much 😢

@anti-validation Месяц назад

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

@timothyhull5794 Месяц назад

This has been my question and why we the fans have been drug through the mud for years now and divided the fan base! Bringing in Watson with his baggage- putting great team character guys in trade package (Cooper)and now a stadium issue.

@terrylew2209 Месяц назад

I dont understand all the uproar, let the man build his dome out in BP, itll be amazing, Downtown will be just fine, and if you look at the last half dozen stadiums that built, everybody paid, owners taxpayers its just how its done

@daviddilly9669 Месяц назад

Build the dome! 25 years ago I would say we are a cold weather team. We play in the elements. But now I 52 with some health conditions. I like to enjoy a game with out getting sick for a week...

@UncleGabe216 Месяц назад

This will have to make-up for the bad politics when we lost the team the first time,the Cavs and Indians have their own updated stadiums,Browns should have their own whatever and we as fans will pay for it idk

@fullygaza8909 Месяц назад

I’ve been to a lots of browns games get us that Dome. The team headquarters is in Berea anyway.

@brandonlarrabee5784 Месяц назад

All the hasslems have to do now is say take that money you said you were going to give to us and spend it on the lakefront renovation you've been telling everyone you didn't have the money for 😂 this is like watching a lion slap around and kitten

@TheSSUltimateGoku Месяц назад

Because there’s a law that says that they can’t move the team out of Cleveland. It’s pretty obvious.

@dell982 Месяц назад

Im payin big bucks to go to game, dam right i want a good and comfortable experience, with a place to park

@kirbyhill586 Месяц назад

Will the team still be name Cleveland browns

@ImOutOfMtDew Месяц назад

Of course. They weren't the Richfield Cavs were they? Lol

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Месяц назад

Of course, they will. What kind of question is that? The San Francisco 49ers are still called San Francisco 49ers and they play in Santa Clara. The New York Giants and New York Jets still have their names and they play in New Jersey, the Dallas Cowboys play in Arlington and the Rams and Chargers play in Inglewood.

@johnpettibone2453 Месяц назад

Brooke Park is in Cuyahoga County.

@kirbyhill586 Месяц назад

Sorry I didn't know and didn't know where everything is in location I'm not from Ohio

@Hawkeye62 Месяц назад

Dome fever Haslams want the dome it will be a Cash Cow for them in Brookpark.

@tech4life884 Месяц назад

Sofi stadium profits is also being split between 2 team owners .

@benjaminingram4857 Месяц назад

Will there be light rail access to browns new stadium in brook park?

@infomanone2801 Месяц назад

If you think Jimmy didn't say, give me an offer to save face locally, but we're out. You're high.

@thisizcle140 Месяц назад

Not high enuff

@LarryPierce-z4t Месяц назад

216 for DOME in Brookpark!!!

@CDavis-ci1mq Месяц назад

A dome is a better option and can generate more money outside of football season for the Haslems and the city (downtown). Actually better deal for the Haslems to go to Brookpark, even building a dome downtown will be more complicated and expenses. Also, they already bought the land, meaning the decision is already made!

@jesseanderson5527 Месяц назад

VEGAS AND AZ PLAYS ON GRASS... The grass moves in and out.

@thisizcle140 Месяц назад

Lmfao what about Feb 3 when its 4 degrees out

@josephgarnett5201 Месяц назад

Give me a grade A experience.

@GamerT216 Месяц назад

Browns need to look at what the raiders did with retractable real grass

@John-z4j6c Месяц назад

No one wants to go to the getto to walk around e72 areas horrible idea

@alexcika9906 Месяц назад

It's not rocket science Jimmy build a retractable dome it will be a money pit , I'm sure Brookpark will be donating something

@ritalayman9396 Месяц назад

Not doing retractable. Would be nice but I guess there has been too many problems with those in the past.

@alexcika9906 Месяц назад

@ritalayman9396 really haha I actually didn't know that , maybe have some German engineers come in and build it , you would think by 2024 they knew how to build one of those correctly right

@williamfischer7298 Месяц назад

The Vegas field is retractable grass field

@firstchoice9335 Месяц назад

0-16 toss a parade this is so true only in cleve

@briankennett9037 Месяц назад

Translucent roofs can grow natural grass.

@Kenny-fuutball Месяц назад

News flash the bs detector is Jay lol

@therealrmp8322 Месяц назад

Move them to Brook Park makes the most sense. Get them off that frozen lake and turn that downtown stadium into some kind of downtown attraction for the city.

@Amaisin72 Месяц назад

What about that hexatron idea

@JUUIGDWEZX Месяц назад

'''''''''DOME PLEASE''''''''

@wolfgangmedek6187 Месяц назад

I want a retractable duh

@bradcline2831 Месяц назад

How bout the flats area

@kevinfarley7468 Месяц назад

I don't see the problem with them moving to Brookpark. Don't tell me they can put it in Cleveland but can't tell me where. The city of Cleveland can develop that land that the stadium is on....by the way Burke Lakefront Airport is a waste of prime lakefront property...

@Kenny-fuutball Месяц назад

Dome in Brooke park

@kingalias Месяц назад

Would it be nice if they stayed in Cleveland? But I'm not going to act like them leaving doesn't open the door to further develop the lakefront. Although the flats is a big change from what I grew up at, but the changes down there have been major for getting people back into the city.

@bradcline2831 Месяц назад

Keep it downtown

@Merkathomas Месяц назад

The stadium downtown can be turned into high rise condos...I'd sell my single wide and move there!

@marynewby8262 Месяц назад

Do not want a dome

@photonfartsqueeze6694 Месяц назад

This screams Richfield Colosseum.

@rogerbaron9514 Месяц назад

"Show me the Money" Where's it coming from? I just looked at my future property tax bill that came in the mail and I don't want open up a future envelope and get kicked in the behind again taxed to death on this Taj Mahal.

@michaeldudas2025 Месяц назад

Go Browns. 🇺🇸

@27DS27 Месяц назад

People only want the Brookpark location because right now that’s the only place that they can put a dome. If they could put a dome downtown, this wouldn’t even be a debate. I hate turf fields. Football should be played on grass

@FUNKMASTERFISH88 Месяц назад

Dome downtown

@lot2196 Месяц назад

It's about time somebody builds a dome stadium in Ohio. We are decades behind Indiana and Michigan.

@bbmartin7055 Месяц назад

Yeah, take away the weather advantage from the home team. Soft people make me sick, and it's stupid to take away the advantage the team has playing in the north

@lesg9604 Месяц назад

10 events per year. 1 country concert in the summer of your lucky. Or the chance at multiple events throughout the entire year likely increasing the buildings usage by several hundred more opportunities. Weather takes a back seat to a team that for the better part of 25 years COULDNT use it to their advantage anyway

@jasonfennell761 Месяц назад

Haslams are doing the exact same thing the Bears owners did in Chicago. Bears went and bought land outside the city and said they were going to build the stadium there city of Chicago wanted to just remodel the old stadium. Then all the pressure was on the city and they came back and said they would build the new stadium in downtown.

@robertjones144 Месяц назад

True Q

@brandethewine Месяц назад

Good that’s money out of poor people pockets. They can build good housing with that money.

@frontierlandfrank5314 Месяц назад

I don’t want it downtown. I’m tired of the bums and weirdos heckling you on your way to the game.

@Eric-pg4zs Месяц назад

U post the same shit every time, I’ve been a season ticket holder for 23 years. I’ve never been hassled by homeless or bums. Make me think u have alternative motives

@frontierlandfrank5314 Месяц назад

@@Eric-pg4zs then open your eyes bozo. I’ve had season tickets too. Unless you’re getting airdropped in the stadium, you need glasses. I park a couple blocks from the stadium, and there’s ALWAYS people sleeping, pi**ing, drunk, or out of there minds roaming around the area. It’s stupid. Maybe they’re just your type of people. I don’t want to be around that going to a football game with my family.

@frontierlandfrank5314 Месяц назад

@@Eric-pg4zs then you either need glasses or you get air dropped into the stadium.

@bobcarr5497 Месяц назад

The guy may have a point🤔 I have been downtown plenty of times mostly for baseball games and been hit up for money or seeing open drug use sometimes. Don't see near the police presence as in the past. Major cities in general especially today not very safe in my opinion. Even saw all the problems Cleveland Hopkins was having with the homeless attacking flying passengers especially on early or late arrival flights in October of 23 on local news out of Cleveland. We ended taking a car service to Cleveland and leaving our very nice SUV at home when traveling.

@johndaniel9637 Месяц назад

Who the hell would not want a dome? Everyone wants to bark in the dog pound in December for playoff runs for here on out

@jermainegoss705 Месяц назад

You not for socialism but he will get government handout to build the stadium

@HenryOrtlip Месяц назад

have natural grass in the dome!!

@keithb445 Месяц назад

Keep it downtown, let them get the lakefront airport to build

@austinphillips9966 Месяц назад

I want retractable roof

@Yurnerbro Месяц назад

Cleveland deserves a cut in the taxes

@joestebic4604 Месяц назад

Dome is more than football

@davev3559 29 дней назад

Jay is not liked by Clevelanders just ask around he's about as popular as a used car salesman in a plaid suit with a few shiny gold teeth.

@josephbordonaro Месяц назад

Cleveland Scene? Come on.

@parzival1054 Месяц назад

BS! I want a dome out of the inner city so my family don’t have to worry about their safety to cheer for Cleveland team.

@Braybray15-x8t Месяц назад

Oh shut up

@parzival1054 Месяц назад

@@Braybray15-x8tor what? Wtf you going to do? 😂 here’s a fun fact for your Cleveland has one of the highest crime rates according to national studies. Also we just had 2-3 browns players robbed downtown after the three of them walked out of an establishment last year. So you stfu and clean up the city if you want events there.

@216Numbskull Месяц назад

BS is right if you really believe you won't have to worry anymore about the safety of your family now with a new dome stadium in Brookpark my friend. WTF-OVER! Seriously AYKM right now? "Get Your Mind Right"

@parzival1054 Месяц назад

@@216Numbskull how wouldn’t it be safer not being around the inner city lmao. Get your mind right!

@anthonyhunter6597 Месяц назад

A Dome in a Football State??? A Football state must stay in FOOTBALL weather…. Might as well change the name to The Brookpark Browns!!! Brookpark is not CLEVELAND!!!

@Krencik68 Месяц назад

Wonder if Rta will put a stop on red line, make it easy to get there

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Месяц назад

They would have to, that'll be more money for them.

@Now10100 Месяц назад

What an awful decision for a dome in Brook Park. The Browns never have any playoff games in January. The dome brings money for the Haslams. It hurts downtown Cleveland. Downtown will eventually become a ghost town without it's sports teams. Who cares about a super bowl? A bunch of rich people come in for a weekend and leave. What does that do for the average fan? Who wants to drive over to crook-park with all the strip clubs and hookers around? What a joke...

@dwally4198 Месяц назад

I’m with earl. Stadium downtown is ideal. Second option is brook park. Renovation on the current stadium is bullshit and a waste of money. -Season ticket holder