??? How come? Do you think the Jazz would trade Markkanen JUST for the picks? They wouldn't. No matter how many picks we are talking about. Reason is that the Jazz are already loaded with picks. They are in a rebuild phase and only really valuable picks for them are '25 and '26 picks. They definitely want young promising player(s) to be included in the trade package.
@@-KFAD- Lol no... Jazz has 2025 Minnesota and Clev 1r picks, those teams are not lottery picks, same in 26, their best chance is 2027/28/29 Also from MIN and CLEV,, so no JAZZ is NOT loaded with picks LOL..
Totally. It's pretty laughable that people are making this sound like a reasonable trade. They're asking for Vassell and the Atlanta 2025 pick. 🤣🤣🤣 I like Lauri, but he's not worth that much. Lmao the Jazz can keep him if he's that valuable to them.
No they don't...they drafted devins replacement castle 😅same player just cheaper and healthier now...plus devin saying he not robin to wemby said alot 😅put him on trading block and mark is Cooper Flagg but ready to help wemby now 😅
Being completely honest guys like Vassel (shot creating wings), are way easier to find than a guy like Lauri, trading for Lauri and finding another guy to be the wing is a better option in general
@@cadfael3257while i agree with ur take, its better for the spurs to give up keldon than vassell cuz between those two, vassell produces better numbers
@@iamcool1258 Yeah, Vassel is a way better option, it is better give up Keldon or Sochan, the thing is that Ainge also know this and he is a freaking horrible negotiator in the sense of reducing his asking price i doubt that he is going to give up easily, i am praying that Lauri ends up either in the warriors, spurs even the grizzlies instead of the OKC, that super team would be nasty
I didn't understand. Don't you want the Jazz to build a competitive team? The Jazz as is constructive today, don't compete for anything. Markkanen is not a franchise player, he is the 2nd or 3rd option on a contender team.
@@IgorBarduco i dont think jazz want to rebuild there team.what kind of rebuild? Why they trade there star players? Mitchel and gobert,now they are trading again makenen and kesler..so whats next for them? After having star player they trade again! I think jazz dont want star players!
@@IgorBarduco we can keep Markennan and still be competitive. He has shown flashes of being a number one option and continues to improve. Whether or not he becomes that, time will tell, but regardless, we want him in Utah and he wants to stay here.
As a Spurs fan i dont want to trade Vassell and the Hawks picks. I would trade Minnesota's picks, Dallas pick, 2027 and 2029 Spurs picks, Keldon and Tre Jones for Lauri and Kessler
@@matiaselidd1359 don’t waste the assets, all that for someone for one year? Not worth it. I think no gm wants to do that and basically hand Utah their future. Teams should be smart and wait for Lauri to extend or become a free agent before trying to get him for a boat load of capital/players. Patience especially from the spurs, they don’t need Lauri rn but the season after next maybe they sign him who knows
@@2ClutchCee I would love for that to happen but San Antonio is not Boston, Los Angeles or Miami the big free agents don't usually come to play with us. Lamarcus Aldridge was the only
The chemistry built between wemby and vassell is already too high to just get rid of like that, a keldon, with blake wesley and/or malachi branham, and picks from 2027-2029 and the hawks 2027 is about as much as im willing to give up. If not, just wait until the offseason or trade deadline.
I don't think Vassell will be involved in any trade, primarily because he just signed a long-term contract last summer, meaning the Spurs have him under control at a very affordable price for another three years or so. Markkanen, on the other hand, is in the last year of his contract and is due for a massive payday (prob at least 50M).
Lauri's contract isn't going to be that big. Even if he signs a max he is not eligible for that kind of salary. Any team planning to trade for Lauri is already factoring in the price of his contract extension.
My buddy works in the Jazz front office in an administrative role and said there’s been buzz about a Lauri trade, but he and a few others don’t see Utah trading him unless the package was too good to pass up. AKA, young players and a load of draft picks. I think Lauri is extremely talented, but I view him as a Mikal Bridges where yes he’s a great player, but his stock rises significantly where he is the main option, but isn’t a guy you can build a team around. He’d be a great maybe second option, but probably as your 3rd or even 4th. Considering he’s on a bad team with the main role, he looks significantly better, but it’s not like he’s new in the league. The cavs and bulls decided to move on from him for what looks like Pennies on the dollar whereas if anybody trades for Lauri, they will give Utah dollars
@@jpheininen6465 lol yeah 3rd or 4th. Do you view him as a 2nd option on an actual contender?? I definitely don’t. And you forget he was quite literally a 3rd-4th option on the bulls and cavs and they still moved on from him. Hes just enjoying being the main option on a bad team
@@benwelch6554 in my opinion he is a good second option. It just tells me that you haven't followed Lauri much if you think he is a fourth option..he will be borderline all-star and that's never a fourth option in any team.
@@jpheininen6465 lol I’m a massive UofA fan and watched every single one of his college games and have followed him closely since. Also if you read my original comment, my friend is in Utah’s front office so I would say I follow Utah very closely as well. That’s your opinion, doesn’t mean my opinion of him not being a second option is because “I don’t follow him.” I love Lauri as a player, just my opinion that his stock has profited a lot off being the main guy on a bad team but obviously can still contribute to a contender in a big way. He’s not making a team a contender simply by adding him though imo. Only time will tell because it does seem he will be traded and you could 100% be correct🤷♂️
@@jpheininen6465 also borderline all star level I’d say Jrue Holiday, Porzingus, and Derrick White are there which is Celtics 3rd, 4th, and 5th option. Aaron Gordon and Michael Porter Jr are borderline all stars and they are Denver’s 3rd and 4th option. Those are the last 2 championship teams🤷♂️
I would kick myself as the Spurs if the only thing that stopped me from getting a frontcourt of Wemby and Lauri was Devin Vassel. He's a good player, but having 2 mobile 7 footers at the 4 and 5, after you just drafted your PG of the future and signed CP3, is an opportunity you simply can't miss out on!
Vassell isn't going anywhere, he's only 23 yrs old, and had the best chemistry with wemby as the season progressed, not worth it for a potential one yr rental. Keldon, Tre plus 2-3 picks should be enough unless Ainge is greedy, then I wouldn't do it if I'm the spurs
I don't think you can say they drafted their PG of the future? ideally you want a top 15 pg with Wemby. We have no idea if that's what Stephon Castle becomes.
@Shortballa11 Well, they had 2 picks, drafted 2 guards, and moved the one that was projected to go higher. They clearly have a lot of faith in Castle, and even if they don't, they still acquired CP3 for this season, and can look to acquire another PG in the future if Castle doesn't work out. Moving Vassel allows you to give up less around the margins. Utah don't really need another PG anyway, so Spurs could likely keep Jones if they move like Vassel, Keldon, and a pick or 2.
I feel like it would be so fun to see lauri play either on the heat spurs warriors or cavs. Hes such an underrated player. 7 footer who can shoot lights out, handles the ball well, defends well, and is a vibe.
Thing is is that Utah doesn’t really wanna lose him and he like it in Utah, so if teams want him, they got a mortgage the farm to get him. Utah can take their time cause they don’t have to rush
I remember when Bulls fans wanted to trade this dude. I was such a huge trade Lavine and keep Lauri guy at the time. I knew he was gonna be awesome. His confidence took a dive but he always had the potential to be an All Star and better. Glad he’s thriving outside of Chicago. Wish we had him with Coby White and Wendell still. Oh what could have been.
Lauri is not getting traded, he is signing an extension next month when Utah can offer it for him then for 6 months he can't be traded. None of these teams are paying the 5 picks Utah want. Its easy to say give all your picks for a role player like Lauri, but there is no way anyone goes over 3 picks, which is what Utah just rejected for Lauri. Kings were trying real hard to get Lauri and made good offers but the Jazz want to get a Mikel Bridges type package and that isn't real value for Lauri (or for Mikel)
If im the GM of Golden State there’s no WAY I’m trading Jonathan Kuminga if it doesn’t net me back a top 10 player. Maybe I’m just a lot higher on Kuminga than most, but the second half of his 2024 season was fucking electric.
Johnson, 2025 SPURS pick (not Hawks), 2025 BULLS pick, 2027 SPURS pick, and if need be the 2028 BOSTON swap. That right there is what I'm willing to trade for Markannen. Those HAWKS picks are way too valuable to trade away.
Trade Kuminga for Lauri would be a huge mistake... Kuminga is just 21 and his offensive production right now is almost the same as Lauri's production, with better defensive. (And Kuminga was sharing minutes and shots with veterans like Wiggins and Klay...). If the GSW want to space the floor, why not to trust in Moody or Quinones? Both can easily shoot 40% from 3...
Kuminga averaged 16-15 points lauri is closer to 25 points a game on better efficiency Kuminga is also a poor 3pt shooter, if y'all love your youth so much just trade steph and draymond for a good haul and move in that direction. Last season proved that none of those guys are ready to be no.2 option on a playoff team much less a championship one. I don't know what it is about large market fans and being so delusional about their young talent jeez.
As a person from the Bay, we’ve been saying this. Trade everyone not named Steph & Kuminga. Get the most we can for Wiggins, Draymond and Podz. Dunleavy has been making horrible decisions ever since he’s taken over.
@@samurai-jach Y'all can't give teams trash and expect gold in return. Wiggins is a negative asset under the new CBA so your going to be attaching something to him to get rid of him. Podz is good but he isn't the centre piece of any trade that moves the needle the same thing with the rest of your young talent. Y'all have 3 assets that teams really really want Steph, Kuminga and Picks. You can't hold on to your best assets and expect to get anywhere, at that point your just hoping that someone really wants to come to Golden State.
@@r.lr.l When Kuminga plays more than 30 minutes, his points and averages increase significantly and he almost matches the Lauri's production... You are not taking into account a simple fact: Kuminga and other youngs are playing under restrict minutes by coach's decision... Last regular season against Denver Nuggets, Kuminga made almost 20 points in 3 quarters and Kerr benched him... Lauri will be free agent next season. He is a very good player, but he is not Dirk or Oscar Schmidt or Kevin Durant. GSW need more defense and rim protection.
@@JoshHartFitnessOfficialconsidering the cavs received Donovan Mitchell in return and just signed him to an extension I can’t understand how you could possibly call them clowns for that trade
The warriors better have kuminga on the no trade block! Lauri is not that good of an upgrade to trade kuminga/moody/2 picks. He’s not that much better then kuminga
@@NZbo-.-.-614 you’re trying to tell me a 21 year old who’s gotten better and more familiar with the system every year. Won’t continue to grow? His peak athleticism isn’t for another 4-8 years 😂 Lauri has peaked already. Kuminga will surpass Lauri’s skill. Look at what Lauri did in his early 20s. He was passed around like a pinball
@@jlzawitkowski even if you were correct. You wanna sit around and see IF Kuminga becomes a legitimate second option or you wanna trade for Lauri, who is a legitimate first option, that way 36 year old Curry has a chance to make one more run?
@@NZbo-.-.-614 yes because he already showed last year he can be a second option. So why trade a 2 for a 2 when ones only getting better every year and knows the system. Plus you’re giving up another young guy in moody who’s a good bench guy. Then also 2 future firsts (which if we traded for Lauri we’d suck then so they’d be lottery picks)
I think teams specifically want to extend him. They would be trading for the right to have him for the next 5 years. He is really good. Great 3-point shooting, strong shot creators, with so much size are rare.
Neither the Spurs nor the Warriors should trade for Lauri right now, especially since he is one year away from unrestricted free agency. He is 27; he should be sent to a contending team or a team on the rise, not a rebuilding team or a team who's stuck in purgatory.
@offswitchtv109 When it comes to fit, assets, and mostly spacing, why would Buddy Hield not be mentioned? He said Warriors have a lack of spacing with Wiggins, Green, and Kuminga, and Curry being the exception. Great place to mention Buddy Hield.
I really hope as a Milwaukee fan the bucks fly out of left field and trade for Lauri like they did for Dame. Potentially Pat C, Brooke Lopez, and Marjon Beauchamp
GSW would be foolish to make that trade, Markkanen is good but he aint THAT good and his numbers can be attributed to being on a terrible team, he's literally NEVER played winning basketball his entire NBA career, and if traded it would be his 4th team as a young player with a good contract, that GSW package is a package for a superstar type player and Lauri Markkanen isn't a superstar, he's low-key barely a star, he was just a part of the Donovan Mitchell trade package a couple seasons ago that included 2 other lottery picks and multiple 1st as well, he's a good player but on a winning team at BEST he should be your 3rd option, a lot of guys look like stars on bad teams
Jazz are gonna want more than 2 picks, too. I don't think Warriors are gonna have enough even with JK. If Jazz trade LM, they're gonna go for Spurs or OKC because they can get 5 firsts, which I think is what the price for LM started at.
On top of that, Danny has said that he's not taking steps back in the rebuild process, so if he's trading him, it's to move forward the rebuild process.
@@brickflair8926 Mykal Bridges just happened too. But I think that's what makes Ainge great. He knows the desperation around the league. He just needs to tease them, flirt with them, and someone will give it up. For real, picks are like currency now, that's how you get deals done. And late firsts aren't as good as early firsts, so more have to be traded.
I feel like the extension "deadline" is a much bigger deal than just a throwaway mention at the end of the video and handicaps Utah more. It's also why either the Dubs and Spurs can sit and not have to offer their best deal since every day that ticks closer to that extension deadline, the less leverage Ainge has. It behooves Ainge to trade Lauri before it gets to that extension deadline because all Lauri has to do is wait until Aug 7 to sign his extension and then he can't be traded this season. Suddenly Utah has a floor raiser on their team signed long term that is untradeable and could put them outside the top 10. Then the Lauri chip is wasted. Lauri could also just not sign the extension at all and then he's playing on an expiring deal which won't get the same value either since Ainge would be desperate to move him to get something back. Of course this is Ainge so he thinks he's slick enough to think he can fleece someone but I do feel like he's overplayed his hand.
Trading vassell and 3 firsts for lauri would maybe be the biggest fleece ainge has pulled off yet. I think lauri is a great player but vassell has potential to be just as good if not better, and he’s a lot younger with less injury risk in my opinion. It’s crazy to think that the spurs would be willing to trade vassell for him straight up, let alone adding multiple firsts.
Lets put Devin Vassell value in context here. He signed a 5 year/140m deal, basically making slightly under 30m each year. Franz just signed a 220m deal for 5 years. Vassell is just as good if not better than Franz Wagner, they had the same stats last year and Vassell can actually shoot threes. When you build Spurs trades, put Harrison Barnes and Zach Collins in there, because the Spurs are not trading these amazing contracts they sealed with super valuable players. Keldon Johnson makes half of what Vassell does, and averaged 22 ppg a couple of years ago. These are deals you get to keep, not to trade, because in the current free agency market players get paid far too much. Devin is not leaving the Spurs, he is untouchable and wont be moved no matter who is on the other side of the trade. His deal is too good to enable you to build a deep team around wemby
Hawks could be a destination too. They got assets. Will probably send Capela away and replace him with Okungwu. Markkanen next to him is an intriguing front court.
Let me start by saying I’m 56 and a huge spurs fan for my whole life . But the other spurs fans comments on here are ridiculous . Saying how trading Vassell is a mistake . That shows two things. 1) you are simply thinking with your hearts and not your brain 2) you know nothing about basketball Lauri is an all nba caliber player who fits a position and several needs that the spurs want . Vassell will NEVER be half the player Lauri is . Never. If you think so , you haven’t watched either player or you just don’t understand basketball . Plus Pop just said tonight that Castle will play serious minutes , because of how advanced he is already . What position do you think he’s gonna play? Not gonna take CP3, Wemby or Barnes spots . He isn’t going to play the 4 or 5. So that leaves Vassell as the 6th man. A place he will flourish ! Starting five of CP3 , Castle , Barnes, Lauri and Wemby would put them as a contender . You keep Vassell , they win35/40 games . It’s insane to want to keep him lol Whatever the spurs do , please trade keldon . Give him away for free for all I care .
Man that’s tuff. As a Spurs fan I definitely do not want to get rid of Vassel. However, something that my fellow Spurs fans need to think about is that Vassel in recent history has been a tad injury prone. This would be the ONLY reason I would second guess my choice for trading him. 🤔
If I’m the Spurs this is my best offer: Keldon Johnson, SA 2025 1st, CHI 2025 1st, SA 2027 1st, BOS 2028 pick swap, SA 2028 1st, and MIN 2031 1st. I’d prioritize keeping the ATL picks and the 2030 pick swaps they’ve accumulated bc chances are one of those teams is going to stink by then.
As a Spurs fan, there is zero chance Vassell is traded in a move for Lauri. Keldon is more likely to be traded, but even then I think it’s unlikely at this point. Feels like the Spurs don’t want to rush too soon - one more year of development feels like the right call, especially with Lauri likely commanding a significant pay raise after this year
What's all this gibberish about the Jazz "losing the pick to OKC"?? A) They already got value when they traded the pick. B) It's top 10 protected anyway. Don't act like they're losing a chance at Cooper Flagg. C) IF the Jazz stay out of the bottom 10, it'll be because some or all of the 7 (SEVEN!) first round picks they've scooped up in the last two years have worked out really well for them, with more 1st rounders than they need coming up. I don't think Ainge is as pressured in the Markonnen situation as some of y'all seem to think.
I wish people would stop dragging San Antonio into all these trade rumors. The dumbest thing they can do right now is trade all these valuable pics, especially in the 2025 and 2026 drafts for a player who doesn't move the needle, like Laurie, and then have to turn around and give him a max contract. That is the stupidest way you can try to build a team right now, especially in the absolutely loaded Western Conference. They need to focus on getting Victor a second star in the draft over the next couple of years. Jordan and LeBron didn't even win their first championships till their late 20s. Everybody needs to chill out on thinking that Wemby has to be competing in year two.
#like last year Dame , but that was closer to August/September there's always that 2/3 trades or moves to prepare for the season teams trying to find there last pieces for best possible chance to make playoffs
One more thing. Lauri can’t be traded for 6 months after he signs his extension. So if he doesn’t want to get traded he’ll wait until the end of the summer to sign. That way the 6 month period includes next seasons trade deadline.
That's the one I feel like is a perfect fit, and they have more picks than they need. But they signed I Hart, so I don't think they want to go for that anymore, unless they want to play Lauri at the 3 and 4.
@@SamReynols that’s tru, but i feel like in order to maximize their window they have to strike fast and trade for him while he’s still on his super low deal.
Nah, Vassell is untouchable. They said it weeks ago. That's a wrong take. I don't think the Spurs trade for Markkanen. To bring in Paul and Barnes is for Mentorship. They want to develop and become a better team now.
Give up vassell with a really good contract seeing how good he is + picks for a player that is gonna be free agent... I rather be bad another year and have a chance for flagg than have Lauri for that price
Thank you. It doesn’t make sense with the last trades they made CP3 and Barnes. That tells me they want to be in the drafts for 2025-2026. Lauri wants to compete. I wouldn’t do it if I were the spurs.
Where is the best fit for Lauri? Is it on the spurs beside wemby? Or the thunder maybe starting beside Chet and bringing ihart off the bench all 3 getting 25 to 30 mins a game sometimes going big and moving Lauri to 3. Or is it a completely different team. I personally would love the thunder. Just that big man rotation would be great defensively either way ihart and Chet great offensively with Chet and Lauri. Can go small with shai jdubb dort Caruso chet can go huge with shai jdubb lauri chet ihart can really play anyway they want.
I have been saying all along that OKC is the best fit for Lauri, with the most picks to offer Utah. But I think Ainge and Presti are the kinda GMs that want to swindle other teams, so I don't know if they can make a deal. :D
@shorewall lol I tend to agree with that. With that said the 25 draft is loaded and okc does own the jazz pick. Trading them that pick back plus maybe 3 additional picks one would think is worth 5 firsts from someone else. I'm not sure if they have the salaries to trade. But man a team of Shai jdubb dort chet ihart Lauri Caruso is pretty insane. You most likely Cason Wallace and both williams off the bench and are you able to trade Wiggins or Joe who they just resigned or u gotta wait a yr or something?
@@MrPek-fe9fp maybe tho wemby imo would have to be better then shai and chet combined for that. Thunder just a much better team and they are as young or younger with more draft picks.
Is a trade with the Houston Rockets possible ? With the extension of Green and Sengun comming soon, maybe Switch Green with lauri markanen is not a Bad Idea.
If Utah can get Kuminga & all available GSW firsts, Danny better take that... Keeping their top 10 pick in this year's deep draft us crucial. You get to tank, keep that pick, get 2 future picks, ANND you get to a potential All-Star forward. Even if the Spurs offer more picks, Vassell is a 6'5" SG. There are a lot more of those out there than a 6'8" combo forward.
I don’t get why everyone wants the spurs to compete right now. Like let them build a roster with good talent first cause Lauri is 28 by the time Wemby is 25 he’ll be 32 and you want to trade Devin Vassel for that?
I didn't realize Ainge was in Utah. He's gonna ask for Luka, SGA, LeBron, Giannis, Embiid, 69 unprotected firsts, a 90% ownership of your team, a lifetime supply of McDonalds and the soul of forty virgins.
It makes sense to trade Markannen. You didn't get him to make this team better - you got him because he wasn't getting enough playing time in Cleveland so if you just gave him a starting role with enough minutes he's an obvious buy-low / sell-high.
Jazz fan and big fan of Lauri. Wish he was 3 or 4 years younger so that he fit the Jazz timeline, but that isn’t the case. Personally I think we need to trade him and get future building pieces. Not interested in trading with GSW. I think OKC and SA have the most to offer and I would listen to them.
Why is it so important that Utah keep their 2025 pick? if it lands in the top 10, wont the warriors just get a 2026 unprotected pick? surely thats even worse to give up?
Lauri is good but not all NBA. He’s never made any of his bad teams better. Never experienced the playoffs. For all we know he could be a good stats bad team guy. I think in the right situation he could be lethal. Could be the best stretch 4 in the league.
I also don’t know if they would take in all those extra players. Right? They probably have 15 ish players on their roster and they would have to cut people to be able to do the trade. Maybe a third team?
Spurs have enough capital to just call OKC and say "trade us Utah's pick, we'll give any pick you want back", and then lure the jazz with their own pick
The Jazz should trade Colin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson, Talen Horton-Tucker, Lauri Markkanen, John Collins, Walker Kessler, to the Blazers for Scoot Henderson, Dalano Banton, Anfernee Simmions, Matisse Thybulle, Jerami Grant, Robert Williams, DeAndre Ayton in that order........
Here's what I don't get: yes, Kuminga, Wiggins and Green is an awkward fit offensively, but since when was offense the entire game? Lauri is a HORRIFYING fit defensively for the warriors. With Steph and Lauri in the starting lineup every night, the warriors have two defensive negatives in the starting lineup. That team isn't getting past the second round of the playoffs, absolute best case scenario. A trade for Lauri washes the rest of Steph's career. The only you get far in the playoffs with this version of Steph is to surround him with long, athletic, twitchy players who can defend at a high level and defend multiple positions at a high level, and hope they can develop enough offense to compete. That's players like Kuminga and Moody.