Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs Lebron james has won more playoff Series' than any player in NBA HISTORY Lebron james has been to 10 nba finals. Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones (in a mostly nine team league) have made more nba finals appearances LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER to make the playoffs in 1985, as opposed to 2004. Perfect example is, the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@FatherManusOfcourse it matters in the GOAT debate. MJ was a certified mens league player in his age 39 season (20 points on horrific efficiency) while LBJ is still a top 10 player.
@@FatherManusit’s meaningless because physicality was taken out of the game and most of his points come near the basket and mostly with little to no restriction. Add to the fact that like numerous of his milestones came with losses, it’s simply empty calories and juiced up stats in basketball form.
Can you guys just let the man play the game the right way and accumulate his stats. In case you all didn't know the man doesn't care about top 10 and goat debates he just works. Earned not given... Umm where the delete button on here?
@jackzanetti6235 He does.. Who in the hell said after winning the championship with Cleveland against GS Warriors LeFraud said he thinks that championship made him the goat 🐐.. You sound like a LeBron fan boy..
@@jackzanetti6235 Exactly what cave are you living in? LeBron has NEVER played the right way and is always padding his stats. I mean, who else in NBA history wears a t-shirt that said "Check My Stats"? And to say that a man who is constantly "crowning" himself, has the word "Chosen" tattooed on his back, and is constantly taking live goats to his events is just purely asinine!! Also, to say that LeBron who is constantly given a pass by the refs when he travels, flops, palms the ball and commits offensive fouls when scoring is "earned, not given" is purely delusional. To close, if you don't know where the "delete" button on your keyboard is, well, you must be either blind or not trying hard enough (much like LeBron fanboys). What a freakin' joke!!
Le PED doesn‘t need to do more. Once they are in the play-ins, the refs take over… And he knows the Nuggets are too good for him and his (very good) team. So he will fake some injury again, once they steamrolled over them. And his stans will somehow talk about how that made him the goat. 😂
So wierd, Kareem, Magic, Kobe and Shaq had done more than LeBum and noone said about this, but LeBum never done anything big for Lakers except the bubble ring and what so in game tournament (wth wtf is this), but alreasy made him like the saviour of Lakers, wnat about AD that had much better stats than LeBum.
What's crazy is AD is carrying lebums empty stats to the 10th seed. LeBron has perfected the art of making boxscore casuals think he's still productive. Bro is dead weight
@@michaelpetrovich5353 wow y'all got to see the greats like Magic, Bird, Isaiah, Pippen, Dr.J, and Olajuwon play. I was a little baby when Jordan led us to our 6th title
I'm a real Lakers fan and I concur. His meaningless stats isn't doing the team any favors. I never wanted him on the team. I would gladly give up the Bubble Chip to see him drop everything and leave the team for good.
@@gregmeyer1805Clearly not an actual Lakers fan or even a fan or basketball for that matter. Complete losers mentality and never watched a single Lakers game in your life. Talking bout “give up a chip” 🤣🤣🤡
LeBron has obviously been on PED's since highschool. It doesn't mean he hasn't done a lot of things right besides PED use to stay healthy. I mean Karl Malone, David Robinson, Zo, Larry Johnson were all obviously not just using, but also abusing PED's, but they didn't come close to LeBrons longevity, Karl was good for a long time, but still had a clear dropoff around age 37.
@@juanio7036 oh yeah for sure. He’s just as guilty because he’s a huge narcissist, but if the media didn’t talk about everything he did it wouldn’t be as bad. You would only know about all the stupid shit he says if you actually follow him,
I'm really curious how Lebron's teammates actually feel about the disrespect the media shows them. They won't dare risk opening their mouth of course, but it HAS to be insulting.
@@kingjruck6507 imagine scoring 40,000 points in an era where defense is extinct because of Adam Silver lol 😂 and most of the NBA players cry about back to back games is too much when they are getting paid hundreds of millions of 💰 💴.
How can such a “great” player like LeBron James lose so many of his GREATEST games: How could LeBron James LOSE THE GAME where he scored the 40,000 points AND LOSE THE GAME where he surpassed Kareem Abdul-Jabar and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James passed Kobe Bryant and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James passed Michael Jordan and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James scored 35,000 and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James scored 30,000?? How can you dedicate this season to your recovering son and LOSE THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, and LOSE THE GAME on your birthday and LOSE THE GAME on the Kobe Bryant Statue Unveiling Day, and now LOSE THE GAME in which you scored 40,000 LONGEVITY points???? GOD LOVES MICHAEL JORDAN!! Michael Jordan is the GOAT today, tomorrow, and FOREVER!!!! LeBron James IS STILL CHASING Michael Jordan and LeBron James WILL FOREVER CHASE Michael Jordan. 🐐
When everything comes out about his PED use when he retires. Everything he has done will get erased. That will be sad. He should retire while he ahead.
Team hopping? Absolutely. Doping? Verdict is not out on that one yet. But if true, it will obliterate his "legacy." Lebron fans will still fight tooth and nail to defend him.
@gregmeyer1805 its already done as far as I'm concerned. Curry was able to stay and fight in golden state through hard times, and ended up winning. Same with jokic, derozan, giannis, so many others. What's lebrons story going to read back as? There is no overcoming the hard times. There is only "times got hard so he left and went where the grass was greener." His legacy is based on a retelling of his story, and he forgot that his story is trash.
Idk if hes involved with steroids or not, but noticed how star players are tested after big games, but I have yet to hear about LeBron being tested after a big game
They will do same with Luka Doncic once LeBron retires. I'm calling it now Nick Wrong on FS1 will start saying Luka is better than LeBron because Luka averages more points rebounds and assist over LeBron.
Le-Balco and Le-media keep trying to force feed us this garbage about him being a #2 all-time. Hes more like 11th. MJ 🐐, kareem, Magic, Kobe, Bird, Wilt , Russell, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq. Then Le-Blaco 11th.
@@GINGOLOGUNGA That's because he's old and mad he's not playing like he did in the Miami Heat days. I my opinion though he was worse in 2010-2011 season than the last 5 years. But I agree he's old grouchy man now but I never liked him or respected him since that season.
@@tdup191Atleast LBJ got the age excuse, MJ got his dirty work done for him by Scottie so he could lead the league in shot attempts. Magic was cooking Mike until he got into foul trouble lmfao
How AD didn't win finals mvp in the 2020 run still baffles me. He was clearly the best player for the lakers the entire playoffs. Dude was hiting insane shots and playing lock down D. Also lebron has had so many super star and top 75 all time guys on his team at this point that I've lost count. The guy had legit only carried a few times in his career and a much bigger majority of the time had to build a super team or bring in other top guys to help him "carry". The way the media talks about bron you would think he is carrying some mid to small market team with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rd picks around him at all times. 😂
I don’t want to hear anything else about lebron. I’m tired of hearing his name. I’m forced to hear about him so much because he’s in my team, and has destroyed my team. He needs to go.
To be fair, ESPN did post an article on a DEA probe of Biogenesis which revealed PED use by several athletes and by some one associated with LeBron. It was a fairly detailed and lengthy article published on Sep 13, 2023, by Mike Fish.
The media rides the Lakers and the Warriors super hard even though they're 9th and 10th seeds. You almost never hear about any other teams besides the Lakers or the Warriors.
What‘s even more strange: the refs are AGAINST Steph… (and yes, there are very good videos out there, which are showing numbers that prove it) So, the media like the Warriors, and at the same time, they had to be slowed down, so Steph can‘t overshadow LePED… If they wouldn‘t help the LeLakers, and let Steph do his thing, we would have a goat contender we could respect. IMHO.
@@Zett76So Curry shoots 10 threes a game and averages 4 free throws a game, and the refs must be against him. Lebron shoots 5 threes, and averages 5 free throw attempts and the refs love him? 🤣🤣 Where’s the consistency? Lebron shoot get more free throws with how much he drives.
AD has the most 40 point 15 rebs games in history of the NBA. AD just sits and smiles while he's thrown under the bus and balkobron says nothing 🙄. Incredible
It looks like he is holding them back... AD should consistently be talking the most shots for LA. LBJ should be making sacrifices to uplift and make his teammates better, but his game is just so limited. He doesn't really make other players better.
Lebron stands around while his team plays 4v5 for 75% of the game. But he got 25 pts so he must be carrying them. It definitely couldn't be them propping him up.
Thank you. Why do they take about that. Watch the games. He doesn't play defense. Hasn't for 10 years. Probably gets 4-8 points a game because he doesn't cross half court. Seriously it is a joke. That and allegedly steroids are why has played so long. He only plays half of every game. The offensive halk.
15 seasons on a weak Eastern conference 3 current all stars in 1 team 6 losses only 3 wins.. eventually they'll start talking about that when someone new comes along
I’m an Aussie, never played Basketball and don’t know much about the game except- when I was a young bloke I WATCHED Jordan play. Now, I watch videos on how over rated LeBron is. 👍🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
The problem is LeBron controls the team. He expects to get fed easy buckets and plays no defense. Then when it's crunch time, his team looks to him to be the finisher and he disappears most of the time and they end up losing. It's why the Lakers look like they're having fun and win against the likes of Boston and Utah when he sits out. 🤷♂
OMG Jordan carried the wizard. I watched that season, and he made that team a team and created Rip Hamilton into another Pippen. People underestimate Jordan’s run on the Wiz, it imho it is absolute proof of his goatness
LeMao James is an all time great basketball player. To say otherwise would be just hatin'. However, LeSuperteam James is NOT the goat. LeChina James scoring 40k points is impressive for a career. Nobody had ever done this before. But what does it all mean? LeGM, tried to bring in elite talent to run with in LA. Other then the fake bubble "championship" and the more meaningless In Season tourney "championship" his attempt at being a GM has been marred with failure. LeFlop does do a lot of stat padding and not enough winning championships to be considered the GOAT. And all of this is not even considering he's a selfish player, bad teammate and terrible human being. 1. Michael Jordan 2. Kobe Bryant, 3. Larry Bird, 4. Hakeem Olajuwon, 5. LeEgo James. That's about all...
THE LAKERS BARLEY BEAT THE WIZARDS 134 TO 131. NOW THE LAKERS BEAT THE THUNDER LAST NIGHT. I'M LIKE WTF GOING ON HERE. IF THE LAKERS BEAT THE KINGS BUCKS TIMBERWOLVES THIS WEEK ITS SOMETHING FISHY GOING ON 🤣😜👍
Until LeBalco proves he is doing this clean, I refuse to even acknowledge he went ahead of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for the scoring record. As for the Pippen, he couldn't of won without Jordan and Jordan couldn't have won without Pippen. Pippen wasn't the offensive load the way Jordan did. But Pippen was an elite defender who changed the way the Bulls played defense. The guy who you could put on anyone to guard and he would shut them down. Which allowed Jordan to go to the number 2 or 3 player most of the time on defense and be able to pick them apart. That is what made the Bulls so effective. They had their defense create offense. Horace Grant was a good defensive player, just as Dennis Rodman was. Nobody failed to put in effort on either side of the ball. I acknowledge this and I hate the Bulls. I hope LeBron is stupid enough to opt out of his contract. The Lakers would likely move on from LeBron, so he would take a 1 year deal, likely with a paycut to wait for his kid to declare for the draft. LeBron has never bee. A good defender. Now, now and then he wi make a really damn good play on that side of the ball, but then he will spend half the game putting forth no effort at all on defense. As for Adam Silver, damn I wish he would leave basketball. He absolutely sucks. Sure, David Stern had his issues as well, but at least it seemed like he gave a damn about the integrity of the game. Adam just wants to keep LeBron happy because LeBron thinks he is bigger than the NBA itself.
I am three years away from retirement, but I am more excited about LeBron hanging it up. 21 seasons of this egomaniac is just not fair by any means. UNCLE already
~ The Lebron “PED” allegations have been around for about a decade. Maybe a little bit longer. This was “discussed” amongst die hard basketball fans during his first stint in Miami. After watching MLB players get bigger stronger and better in their later years, “we” (fans) were making allegations BEFORE the original news broke in 2013-14 (whenever the initial rumors surfaced). As a long time fan of the game, I was “waiting” for Lebron to claim “NEXT”…. Wanted to see him live up to the hype. Before he left Cleveland, I was one of the fans “hoping” he’d get a “Robin” so Lebron could win a championship or two in Cleveland. Honestly, I believe that “us” older generation of fans would view Lebron differently, if he stayed in Cleveland originally. Even if he didn’t win an equal amount of championships as Kobe, MJ, Kareem, Magic. When he left, didn’t win but “two” in Miami…. got bigger and stronger and maintained his athleticism, many fans understood then that Lebron, while “great” wouldn’t be mentioned among the Mount Rushmore of players…. But he kept playing and playing and amassing all these stats~ younger generations see the stats and say “Lebron is the Greatest of all time “ Now I agree with them. Lebron is the G.O.A.T. of stats chasing , legacy padding statistics. Yep he’s your KING!
Lakers, please don't give Leflop a new contract. Let him go somewhere else. I've been a Laker fan since they were tape delaying the finals games. I want to support my favorite team but can't do it until Leflop is gone.
