The Legend of Zelda Theory: The Great Deku Tree 

Obviously, the Kokiri accidentally gave up their immortality when they left the woods in order to party at the end of Ocarina of Time

After playing this part in the game again, I'm convinced that the "Forest Temple" is a re-imagining of the Kokiri Forest, meaning the settlement where the Kokiri lived. The symbol on the doors is the most obvious giveaway, but also just the fact that there are so many structures built among the trees. Yes, I think this is where the young Hero of Time once lived. This is even supported by the fact that the first time you see the Hero's Shade is just outside the Forest Temple. It seems evident that the Hero of Time was drawn back to his old home in the woods (cf Majora's Mask) and eventually established a new settlement nearby with Malon and Epona in what is known as the Ordona Province in TP. Many things in TP are a re-imagining of what we knew in OoT, including the Temple of Time. The idea is, that from the perspective of the game Twilight Princess, the Temple of Time was always in the woods. But I agree that the last tree in the Forest Temple where the boss is might just be the Great Deku Tree, considering it's the only one that is grey and decayed.

I personally think that the monkeys are the Kokiri, since they linger near the deku tree and are peaceful creatures, like in wind waker they can change forms.

all these games came out in different orders i wouldn't believe the whole story was made like this but they just strained them together nicely using the same elements throughout the games in different ways and now after 30 years its a masterpiece

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This video made me think of a highly disputed theory that I would like to hear your opinion on. (or read it anyways) What are your thoughts on what Link did after the end of Twilight Princess? Link is seen leaving Ordon with Epona, implying he was going off on another adventure but, to this date, there is no sequel to the game. I've seen some theories that say he was going to search for a way to Midna, as Ocarina of Time Link did towards Navi, while another theory states that he could have gone to help with the restoration of Castle Hyrule. You have many interesting points in all of your videos and I look forward to any opinions you might have.

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This is one of the most DECENT Zelda theories I've heard in a while, awsome! :)

This theory actually got me thinking and i don't know if any one else has mentioned it here or even noticed it as well but i re-played Twilight Princess, not too long ago and when doing the forest temple i noticed a structure in the temple that very much reminded me of Saria's house. So its not hard to imagine that when deku tree and the forest grew it over took the kokiri homes as well.

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The problem with the Temple of Time in TP is that it's on the western edge of the Faron Province, south of Lake Hylia, while the Temple of Time in OoT was on the eastern edge of the Lanayru Province, far north of Lake Hylia. This means it is most likely that there were two temples of Time - one ruined ancient one in the Lost Woods and a much smaller newer one in Hyrule Castle Town. This means there were also two Sacred Groves - one guarding the Forest temple and one guarding the Temple of Time, akin to the old shrines of Hyrule in Skyward Sword. Maybe Rauru found the old Temple and built a new one in Lanayru, moving the Master Sword as he did so and turning it into a key to the Sacred Realm. When Link left Hyrule, however, the sword was moved back to its original resting place deep within the Lost Woods to prevent Ganondorf from using it to obtain the Triforce. Still, great video and I love discussing Zelda theories with people who don't just keep repeating, "but the Hyrule Historia says blah blah blah".

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I read a pretty cool theory explaining that after the second Deku Tree had been killed for good in the Child timeline, he never grew a new sprout and stayed dead. And since they never had the Deku Tree's magic to protect them, the Kokiri eventually were killed by monsters or turned into Skull Kids. It's interesting to think about! Anyways, awesome theory as always. This is a theory I actually haven't seen too much, and you drew some very strong connections! Especially the bit about the Fused Shadow! :0

i see alot of people are thinking that the kokiri have turned into the monkey's, but here is one thought i notice not alot of people may think about: what about the things the skull kid summons? they could be what the kokiri turned into: they never seem to actually die, just dissappear for a moment then come back. what if this whole time they are helping to protect the master sword, and therefore the seal that held back some of Ganon's power (evident in the adult timeline that it sealed half of his power) and then after that as a test to see if link (which they can sense is a descendant of their old friend) is ready to take on the trial of the temple of time. i mean they chase you, but they do give you some time to relax as well, as if they dont really want to hurt you

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Your theories are great! When I saw the Deku tree insert from Wind Waker, I thought about the Koroks (what could have possibly become of the Kokiri children).

I personally believe that without the Great Deku Trees protection the Kokiri eventually lost their immortality and grew up, eventually becoming the Ordonians... It would make aense what with how close Ordon Village is to the Great Deku Trees remains. Perhaps the Sapling died long enough ago so the memory of the tribe was forgotten, but their influence was still seen

The Deku Tree Sprout in OoT couldn't grow because evil had invaded the forest, right? But after Link has defeated Diababa in TP, isn't it very likely a new Great Deku Tree can sprout there?

I'd be interested in a video on the lost woods. I recently noticed that the music of the lost woods from OOT is the same as the music playing when you run after the skullkid in the sacred grounds in TP. I thought your theory about the sacred ground being the old castle town made sense. That would also explain why the Temple of time is there, but then why is the lost woods right on top of it? Don't understand...

2 questions: Could the Life Tree Seedling in Skyward Sword be the very first Deku Sprout?. That turns into the Lost Woods and then into the OoT Forest Temple?. Could you do a video about the Snowpeak Ruins from Twilight Princess?.

***** im 18 now, but when i beat ocarina of time when i was 9 (stuck on it at 7 for 2 years!!!) i ended up playing twlight princess and around the general map such as kakariko field ( i forget what its called its been 9 years lol) i saw these giant chasms and in other areas like around the entrance to the forest temple in TW and obviously as you said nintendo can change the map size/map design around etc but i was like what could have caused all this??? i mean obviously tectonic movement but... idk and when iwas 10 first playing TW i thought back to OOT and was like... maybe all of these chasms are from when in OOT ganondorf tried bringing down his castle to kill link/zelda (even though it didnt do anything immediate as he had hoped. maybe that caused all these chasms in the land. I mean heck ganondorf pretty much made an impact crater where hyrule castle was and it would be logical to assume that either he used his magic/energy/power to destroy the castle and make his own castle, or convert old hyrule castle to his castle then in either case using magic/energy/power to make it float above this lava in the impact crater so that no one (namely link) could enter his castle. If you have time i think you should really investigate these theories/ideas/areas. thanks regardless though as your videos are just impeccable!!!! :)

Nice theory. Your videos are great there is defently a connection with the Deku tree and forest temple. Could you please do a theory on the decreased sheika tribe and Impa the last shieka.

Finally someone notices the Kokiri tribal marks and how the only tree big enough to be the Forest Temple is the Great Deku Tree!

You have a great knack for critical thinking, good job on all of these : )

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Love it! And of course, Midna would be standing on top of the Deku Tree Sprout in the beggining. lol

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Great theory I got some theorys im working on but havent really found anything concrete enough to talk about in a video yet great job

I've watched all of your videos, my mind has been blown.

I love your videos sooo much, would you ever consider doing a theory of where the new wii u game might come in the timeline? based on recent trailers?

I saw a theory explaining that the monkeys from twilight princess are the decedents of the kokiri. Like the great deku tree has the power to alter the form of his children (like how they changed into koroks in wind waker to survive the great flood, or how the Kikiwi were turned into the kokiri) which might be, if your theory is true, to hide them from monsters/able to survive in the forest without his aid when the parasite started to kill him (i'm talking about the deku tree sprout mind you)

u have a lot of time on ur hands to make these videos my gosh!!! how do u formulate this is it mostly from the Hyrule Historia i didn't know people studied it that much i have a lot of love for the Zelda franchise this is hardcore

Only thing in the video that's striking me is at 6:55; "weird pattern on the ceiling" The roots with some spiderwebs over them? The whole dungeon has a lot of roots & spiderwebs, it is a tree with a spider infestation after all :P just nitpickin' though, nice vid

I really like this theory. I also believed that the temple was put inside the Great Deku Tree, but I had problems figuring out the parallels to prove it. :D

Awesome vid! In the first LoZ, Level 1 is in an old rotten tree in the middle of a lake. Does this tree have any connection to the Great Deku tree or the the flooding of Hyrule?

Well in Wind Waker the great deku tree states that the kokiri is more like forest spirits or whisps that can take the form of humans like in Ocarina of Time or alternatively change into something else. Supposedly the beings in Wind Waker are the kokiri in their "true" shape. Could it be possible that the monkey tribe you encounter in Twilight Princess are actually the shape that the Kokiri had chosen shortly before the era of twilight?

Great theory and awesome video! Keep up the good work! ;D

That's a fantastic theory! Awesome as always!

Great video! I think the Kokiri developed into monkeys. In The Wind Waker , we learn that they developed into the little tree-like creatures for better maneuverability in the new world and that they just looked like " human " -children in Ocarina of Time

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I really loved the navi one by the way, at a side of her AI she's awesome, but I think well this is just me I think fairies don't exactly die and if they do they're sent back to the deku tree to be reborn o.o but hey like you said we won't know fully unless Nintendo confirms it o:

I remember a large tree between Lake Hylia and the Gerudo desert in TP. You can't reach it, but I wondered if it was related to the Deku Tree. It's location doesn't back that up though.

This may be the most possible theory you've come up with yet(other ones are interesting, but damn this one is quite possible)

Hmm sorry, I can't find it did u do a video on dark link? I checked the lists the character one and nothing on dark link lol oh well

Great theory, you did the perfect amount of thorough research as well. I'm surprised how I noticed most of those environmental details and didn't confirm in my head same place. I noticed the doors immediately too. Though I guess the main reason is my mind thinks of that other random large tree, that I'm curious your thoughts behind it would be. The tree I'm thinking of is a dead trunk, in Hyrule field, south of Hylia Bridge, where you can ride horseback underneath with archer bokoblins a little farther down the trail, and a rare golden chu chu drops from it. It's a bug location, I'd say mantis, but that could be the Eldin Bridge. The partner in on the north part of Bridge of Hylia; the bug itself is on the rock formation under this tree. What's your say on the origin of this tree?

Great vid! Keep Up the good work!

great job on these theories! :D

Maybe the Kokiri moved into the remains of the Great Deku tree as a source of shelter and protection from the "meanies" outside, but over time the evil got stronger, not to mention the power of the Diababa inside of it they probably didn't know about, and eventually died off.

So just another theory but remeber in WW how they explain the children of the forest changed from there original forms to fit the nature to the forest. Or something like that. Well the more I think about it the more I fell that the monkeys are actually the kokiri just reshaping to fit the forest. In OOT kokiri forest wasn't that grand so it made sense that tree houses and children worked fine. But now with the forest overgrowth and the movement of more monsters into the area they changed again to something more suitable to survive staying higher in the trees avoiding the ground. But still keeping there playfull personality and connection to the forest.

Any data on the dead Deku tree from Zelda 1 NES? it was level 1 no idea how it died or where it came from. The Tree is found on an island and another dead Deku Tree is found but it seems to be a shop.

In the TP beta we might have encountered a partly grown Deku tree sprout from OOT, it IS also in a similar spot where it was growing in OOT. www.glitterberri.com/content/zelda_series/tp/prerelease_shots/2005%203%2010/ss5noa.jpg

maybe, as well with the WW forbidden forest, the dungeon is the ruins of the kokiri village. this is crazy how it all ties up, you can see how the later part of the temple is defiantly the deku tree. but this explains why there isnt a great deku tree in twp because it died. maybe another theory, going off on a limb, could the monkys just be the next spiritual inhabitants of the kokiri idk lol

I have a theory on the Great Deku Tree. Well actually its more like a hypothesis. In the original Legend of Zelda there is a dead tree stump with the first dungeon in the game where you fight Aquamentus. This could be the withered remains of either the Deku Tree or Deku Tree Sprout.

What about in skyward sword that big tree you had to climb to get to the water dragon would that be a deku tree cuz what if the goddesses made the deku tree a defender after minish cap

Please cover the temple of time for both ocarina of time and twilight princess

Very clever analysis as always.

In wind waker it also changes quite a bit forest haven is were the deku tree is its all inside a giant hollow tree kind of .... Kinda like the new deku tree grew in side of the old one creepy as that is and if theres a possibility the koroks have the fused shadow its probaly some were in the forbidden woods

What's strange about the pattern in the OOT Deku Tree on the ceiling?

In TP there's a place, where those juice slugs fall down and you cut them into pieces, if you look at it from a little distance away you see a giant tree stump, Maybe its the Deku Tree?

Cool! I love zelda speculations!

Interesting theories, but I personally disagree with my own ^^. It seems to me the forest temple in TP is the Forbidden Woods of Wind Waker.. Additionally, and this doesn't make as much sense, but it looks to me there was a Great Deku Tree above Lake Hylia where the stump is, which would make sense since the Chus flock there, like they did to the GDT in Wind Waker.

***** Interesting it seems highly likely that the kokori are actually descendant of the picori.. perhaps the great deku was originally one of that trees that turns link into minished size. Those stumps are hollow inside like the great deku... what if the magic that allows you to turn big and small somehow brought the tree to life and made it great extremely tall, and the picari who where around the tree also grew in size... just a theory....

Interesting, I was thinking the big roots behind the boss was the Deku Tree or inside the tree and you sorta backed that one up. Altho there's a question, if your theory is true why wasn't a new Deku Sprout planted? I guess since in OOT the Sprout couldn't grow until the evil in the temple was destroyed, maybe the same applies here?

I cringe thinking the Kokiri children died eventually after the Deku Tree perished. But I found it as a definite possibility whilst playing Twilight Princess.

The Link in twilight princess is the successor of the link from ocerina of time. The ocerina of time hero, after he was done, needed to leave signs to help the hero in the future(twilight princess) destroy evil. The ocerina of time link is the soldier who trains you when you go to the howling stones. He left those stones himself. He did things like leave the bow with the gorons so eventually they can give it to the future hero.

I do notice that you have a lot of points that are valid vortexxy but what about what they say in legend of Zelda ocarina of time the kokiri say that those that become lost in the lost woods become stalphos so wouldnt that get rid of the theory that became monkeys?

Keep up the good work. =)

Interesting connections to the Great Deku Tree. It seems plausible. An emptied out Great Deku Tree also exists in Hyrule Warriors, which is implied to take place in the child timeline after Twilight Princess. I wonder if there can still be a connection? Though I know many will dismiss Hyrule Warriors as non-canon, it was still cool to see him in that game. zeldawiki.org/images/c/c7/HW_Great_Deku_Tree.png

Oh ok no problems :DDDD can't wait to listen to it vortexxygaming

this makes me wonder what ocarina of time Link would have done if he had found the fused shadows, then again, considering what happened to Yeta, I might not want to know...

Uhm, a question: Is the great deku tree the leader kikwi from Skyward Sword? He sure looks like him!

Fabulous vid! :)

Wait... Would the sprout still need to be grown in the Child timeline? Because Ganon would never have risen to power, there'd be no Gohma to be responsible for the Deku Tree's Death. Is the Deku Tree immortal? If not, I suppose there'd be another sprout, maybe even several. I have questions!

could it be possible for the kokiri to be the monkeys? lol xD just a random thought i mean they specificaly interact with you and are kind to you, so they may sense that you are related to Oot link :o idk just a thought xD

Is ordon not another country from hyrule, cus whats his face, that guy with the sword, who is talking to link at the very beginning of twilight princess, well, he mentions link moving to hyrule, and obviously you cannot move to a different country

hey great theroy but you forgot 1 importian detail in terms of the great deku tree. there would be no deku tree to replace the original one due to the fact young link would of never enter the forest temple in orcarina of time, since he was sent back to a point after the great deku tree was dead but the temple of time was never open because like never got the other spirit stones. in this timeline the great duke tree would of been already poisoned and died and no replacement would be born, which i believe is why the kokiri vanish because they need the great deku tree to live and die out eventual because he is dead.

Hey you should do a theory on the purpose of the Great Bay Temple, good luck though thats a hard one.

Great theory!

The Kokiri from Ocarina of Time evolved into the Koroks in the adult timeline as is shown in Wind Waker, could they have changed into the Monkeys in the child timeline that are shown in Twilight Princess? With the Deku Tree no longer around to protect them wouldn't it make sense if they took on a more animalistic form to improve survival instincts and chances of survival after the Deku Tree's demise, also their evolution would be on a more animalistic path because of the lack of the Deku Tree's magic to curb their evolution more towards that of plant like beings similar to what the Koroks are.

awesome stuff !

I wonder if ordon village is the remains of the kokiri village

the fused shadow also can be the cause of the poison in the great deku tree

Yeah makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing

Next theory vid Demise and his followers used the stone tower temple to get to hyrule

I like your theories

Really great Theory

You should do a theory on dark link some say he was made to protect that particular room in the water temple by the interlopers, and the thing is he could mimic anyone so say Zelda went in he would be dark Zelda, others say he was made by the Gods as a test for link to face his dark side I say he was created by ganondorf to kill link but failed (like the story evil link made dark links story)

Is there a part 2? It just kinda drops off.

I was all expecting an OoT vid lol.

Vortex, can you make a theory on the possibility of link being related to Zelda or the possibility of the first born link being a god

midna was in this thumbnail that automatically makes me have to click

And LINK, they worship the Deku Tree and Link, as shown by their clothes

MM, twilight, and other similar Zelda games, what is up with people leaving all of a sudden? jeeez!

Mate. I really think you should do Fierce Deity Theory. I believe you can do it. Believe in your strengths (get the reference)

Wow took me a bit lol but I just realized what you mean by to do list, like your thinking about it, sorry miss I'm a little out of it today to much college work lol and social life :p

You... I like you and your videos.

The deku tree sprout never died