Looks cool, it likely sounds poor. Movement in the platter is insane. It’s like a crazy warped record on speed. No way to get solid tracking force probably. Neat, but a gimmick. And a pricey one at that.
@@Djerun88 I mean if you think like that, nothing on this channel is actually insane, they are all mostly 30+ years tech with usually awready old and known combinations, with one or other gimmick.
@@shawnjacob1999 I mean, i hate 99% of all the tech companies i know, apple is just one other. The deal is that in the us for some reason, apple is like a flu and as common as it can, and everywhere there a nationalyst north american that think apple is different just because of a label "assembled in the us" or at best "made in the us". So while lenovo, samsung or other tech companies could have as much hate, apple is just everywhere there with its fans, so of course people will critique it more. And just as the apple brand has this huge force due to its past and the nationalism of the US, gueds what? They aren a huge player in the market and they dictate whatever prices they want there. So a iphone costs $1500 now? So it is, people may go and complain, but its way less common to switch brands. So they get even more hate because of these practices, and the overpricing. It's not for any other reason that wallmart is sucessfull in the US, but failed hard in several third world countries where people aren't as faithfull to a brand or company. You don't play right you loose. But sum the frequency apple appears in comments and videos made by americans with it's businness practices, plus how actually tech companies ate basically the same shit nowdays in different degrees but with the fear of innovating alone, we get this situiation. I mean from a technology standard apple is indeed a bit worse than some companies, but comaparable to many, to a business practices they are really in above level, just as with their prices. I'm no apple hater tho, i hate probably 10x more dell than apple for example.
Or needed , when a technology has reached a peak and it does the job perfectly well and attained a ‘ classic’ form and we see makers trying to still tinker is perhaps a good thing but when they then promote gimmicks that don’t really work as well as they hoped but look good , we have to be skeptical and wonder if they are aiming more at the ‘ lifestyle’ pseuds and not the long term customers and people who like music and the technical means of recreating it as closely as possible to the real thing ? This just seems a feature for the bored who don’t really like music as much as the appearance of someone who does and looking like someone who is sophisticated and listens to Phillip Glass etc on the latest thing that doesnt actually work but looks good floating there . Like a goldfish is nice to look at going round and round without any purpose . Im sure it will look great alongside the ironic lava lamp in a designer living room with the fake fire in the tv screen to mimic real warmth . It’s a very good concept and one I’m sure many inc,using myself have wondered about many times but is probably not as good in practice as the theory . Gosh , I am being being a bit cynical arent I ! I would love one though , if it actually worked well and better than my forty year old Ariston rd11s or Technics 1210 ! They even look good doing it .
A magnetic field that strong can't be doing much for the cartridge's performance. You can get much better turntables than this for a lot less than $2900 if you are actually interested in listening to music. If you want to impress your guests teach your dog to break dance.
@@gonfreecs1335 that wasn't abiant sound that was recorded line in. Which could be from the TT but could also be from any other audio device. Also a 128kbps you tube audio stream isn't going to give you an accurate representation of what something sounds like.
I am positive minded about all innovative designs ideas etc, as far as there is some improvement. But this is over the whole line ridiculous… Look clear to the video, the plate don’t keep the axis and level, which means that the needle is pushed and pulled horizontal and vertical. (this is btw how the needle pick up the signal from both grooves). You are supposed to keep it as stable as possible. The huge magnetic field required to keep the plate at level should not interfere with the extreme sensitive magnetic needle… Maybe they were clever enough to use a frequency far above the audible limit (20 Khz) but what about the harmonics? All high end turntables use mass to make all as stable as possible, 100 Kg for the Thorens reference and up to 600 kg for some “exotics”. A liquid mercury bath to keep it flat etc…. here they use the technology to make it levitate (weight =zero) It’s the most beautiful, and I guess overpriced, turntable to be an absolute piece of crap.
@@normieslayer1169 hes not confused as to how that would work mate, hes confused that its happening. this would be the least likely thing to happen to this. the fucking record is suspended in air lmao its not going to be scratched by anything and its not going to dig in either. the record would just move out of the way.
That's not the smell i am smelling. Smells more of gimmicky product with no value for anyone actually interested in quality sound and quality turntables. Smells like crap.
Well... I’m sure that’s what they dreamed of in 1985, actually. With all the cool new dancing light displays on receivers and stuff they would have wanted something futuristic
@@dolby409 it may sound strange for milenials but in 1985 we had telephones with a long cable connected to a wallplug somthing. We did dream of wireless phones. Now we wish that we rather didnt dreamed about that future ;-) By the way, dreaming about flying cars was something from the 70's i believe
@@tonioreyes Just try explaining the concept of dialling up to them with a rotary finger dial? I just recently acquired a green vintage GPO 746 and my nephew looked it confused and said 'that's witchcraft that is!' 😂😂😂
Something other than smartphones , about goddamn time... more gadgets and cool stuff unboxing please ... stop with the phones, my eyes cant stand another smartphone review , bottom line is they are all the same with few more tiny tiny minor useless stuff here and there
madcableguy my thoughts exactly! Pushing an elephant up the stairs readily springs to mind here. I think that Linn audio products made the last final defining improvements in analogue turntable transcription technology last century. This really is the emperors new clothes and breaks no new ground whatsoever. I gave up on vinyl when the industry did in the mid nineties. Linn audio will readily admit that their directly mastered 24 bit flacs are indistinguishable from listening to the digital studio master that these so called 'faux' analogue vinyl records will ultimately be mastered from. My question is how does electro mechanically transcribing a pure digital reference source onto a mechanical cutting lathe then compressing it with an RIAA equalisation curve to create a master stamper laquer from make it sound any better? All true hifi is a quest for the ultimate direct reference source. If it is mastered in digital it should be heard in digital.
@MrDegsy69 Yeah.. but you forget 2 things.. Most audiophiles are listening to a good amount of stuff that was analogue mastered over 40 years of music history... Digital remasters of classics are generally awful in comparison to the originals and that's a fact. Point 2, A CD player that stands any chance of giving, even a budget hifi turntable, a run for it's money will not be found in any of the high street stores where the vast majority of the population choose to purchase their sound systems...
Let's be real. This is just "bling" it's gonna be a terrible turn table and good luck when you inevitably bump the table a bit too much and the plate flies all over the place and doesn't work properly anymore
Hi, Not a new idea as such. Clearaudio (and others) have a magnetic bearing, and Stanton did the same in the late 60's called the gryopoise. Now also rotating the platter is new.. congrats. That said as noted below, the platter visibly wobbles which will greatly effect sound quality. Additionally proper cartridge alignment will be very hard (impossible) due to no "hard" platter position references. pjd
Designers and makers seem to rediscover the concept every generation because it is such a great concept . Unfortunately technology still doesn’t seem to have got ahead of the problems there are for sound reproduction and turntables in the nature of magnetism . This time it seems this turntable looks great but the design seems to be disguising the limitations of its ability to do the job it’s there for . Perhaps when tech does get ahead someone will again return to the concept amd design a turntable that reproduces sound as well as even seventies turntables and looks amazing doing it . I can’t wait , but this doesn’t seem the turntable that manages this judging by the distorted , discordant music it,played , perhaps it was to disguise the fact that if a known classic was out in we would notice the flaws in the turntable and not put 8t down to the terrible music ?
If you weren't convinced that people who spend crazy amounts of money on audio equipment aren't actually audiophiles. But are in fact audio-snobs. Just looking at the wow and flutter from this $3,000 turntable. I can guarantee that a $450 Audio-Technica LP1240-USB turntable is going to sound better. The theory is solid. If the plater isn't touching anything it isn't going to pick up motor noise or belt noise. In practice, you are sacrificing plater stability. A real audiophile judges equipment with their ears, not with high prices, gimmicks, and marketing.
I'm betting a Lloyd's or SoundDesign from a goodwill would have better Wow and Flutter specs. This is a neat price to look at and I did think "that's pretty damn cool" when the record was spinning up but the minute the platter started swaying like a drunken sailor the beauty was gone
@@nicholascortez728 Never mind, I'm just completely agree with you. In addition I can't help my self asking one question ; what will happen if accidentally or somehow the electricity fails while moving levitated plater ?!
@@mithunhaque it has back up capacitors that have enough power to get the platter stands raised and to move the tonearm back to the rest position in cause of power loss. It's just a gimmick, I just can't believe how muchnit costs for how bad that wow and flutter has to be.
I am positive minded about all innovative designs ideas etc, as far as there is some improvement. But this is over the whole line ridiculous… Look clear to the video, the plate don’t keep the axis and level, which means that the needle is pushed and pulled horizontal and vertical. (this is btw how the needle pick up the signal from both grooves). You are supposed to keep it as stable as possible. The huge magnetic field required to keep the plate at level should not interfere with the extreme sensitive magnetic needle… Maybe they were clever enough to use a frequency far above the audible limit (20 Khz) but what about the harmonics? All high end turntables use mass to make all as stable as possible, 100 Kg for the Thorens reference and up to 600 kg for some “exotics”. A liquid mercury bath to keep it flat etc…. here they use the technology to make it levitate (weight =zero) It’s the most beautiful, and I guess overpriced, turntable to be an absolute piece of crap.
That levitating platter looks great, but I wonder how the magnetic field that keeps the platter suspended interferes with the coils in the cartridge. Is the cartridge shielded somehow?
The romance of a record can't be found in a modern record player. If you want romance you use a nice vintage turntable and you put on Pink Floyd and turn it all the way up.
@@bigkahunahil dude there is no need for old or expensive gear. The feeling because of the music and the quality of the sound (not in an audiophile way) is everything that matters! But a flying record is cool tho
In case you haven't noticed it wobbles because the record is warped but it doesn't affect quality. This is magnetism at work not magic but i guess you don't understand how magnetism works do you? This is an amazing piece of high-quality tech that you can't get anywhere in the world and it actually sells so well they almost can't keep up with the demand. ;)
agree too wobbly... there's a reason why there's a clamp and/or outer limit ring for most high end turntable (others have a built in suction in the case of the super high end Techdas airforce's I, II and III), it makes a huge difference. With that being said even if you visually see that a record is flat... outer limit ring or suction and even a simple clamp does make huge difference! But I can't say it's a gimmick, I know someone who owns one, he is a backer so he got it for less than a thousand bucks. I will ask him about his opinion and hopefully would share it soon :)
@@theyutzinator ROFL Sure, if you say so. I'm not but this company is in my country so i know a thing or two about them and their product. ;) Also this is youtube so you could find out more stuff about them that i know right here on yt if you wanted. Lol
@@wstrs5090 first of all if a company is in your country it doesn't immediately equal to you being a professional at turntables and second of all I haven't seen a single thing about this turntable on RU-vid.Lastly, would you look at that? Your comment is edited. Seems mighty suspicious don't you think? r/quityourbullshit
@Rafael Koliadis My comment is edited and that's suspicious? Are you for real Sherlock? XD FYI English is not my first language. ;) :* Also i never said i'm a professional at turntables did i? But i did watch some clips about it and actually saw this thing in action and had a talk with one of their guys in a fair. ;) I just did a quick search on RU-vid and found many clips about it in a second so idk WTF are you searching? Do U know how 2 U2B brah? O_o Think dude, use your brain before you write dumb shit like you just did, PLEASE. :* :* :* Edit: I edited again. 😲 Hmmmm... Mighty suspicious indeed... 🤔
Only practical use for this that i can think of would be to avoid bumps and stuff that would cause scratches on the record. But i expect the magnetic levitation is extremely sensitive to being moved in any way, and i would think a crash involving the turning part crashing down on the turntable with magnetic force would be more damaging than a potential bump, both to the record and to the base-part of the turntable itself. So its basically just a "look what i have" thing to show off to your friends at parties and nothing more (except maybe being a quality turntable). Well, if thats your sort of thing and you can afford it then go for it i guess. Would have expected the motors raising and lowering the pegs to be a bit more smooth sounding though. The current version sounds like its the cheapest possible part of the entire turntable.
Correct, but now imagine some big ass electromagnets that were so strong you had difficulty rocking the platter by hand, naturally you would need to remove all metal objects from the room, even forgetting about that steel ear ring could create an aweful mess.
I like your channel because not only do you play SICK Hip Hop beats with they Unboxing but you're also paying homage to source material in your video overlay. Props!
As cool as this looks i think the ‘business case’ for spending so much on it might have something to do with the sound quality improvement i presume one gets from magnetism being the only thing linking with the platter ie no motor or belt. Would love to hear it. It looks cool too of course.
The two major problems with turntables, aside from static from friction, was “resonance” and “wow and flutter.” The resonance was caused by vibration on the body of the turntable (base) traveling through the tonearm. Various experiments were done ending on minimalist base bodies, and different materials, including acrylic, wood, even rock. I remember Technics turntable on a thick tile. The second problem, wow and flutter, had to do with the consistency of the spinning speed and wobbling of the platter. The addition of the strobe lights to indicate the stability of the rotation was great. The Technics turntables were very popular because you could adjust the counter weight on the tonearm, releasing pressure on the needle. Technics added the S-Shaped tonearm to improve the consistency of the travel of the needle as it travels towards the middle of the disk. I would not purchase a straight arm. Also, Technics were compatible with several brands of pickups. I remember Shure, Audio-Technica, and Stanton. My favorite was Shure. For an over $2,000 piece, I would expect a steady rotation. We love to brag about our equipment, mostly about its performance rather than its coolness.
I have seen that in use before. The platter itself should NOT move up and down like that. I wonder, is the base/support part not level? Would that cause the platter to move up and down? In any event it's a very cool, but very poor design. In other videos a slightly warped record will set it in motion, moving it up and down. I do applaud the technology though, as levitation is extremely hard to do. BTW, I think that would have ZERO rumble.
Love the design, but it's a classic example of form over function. Honestly, I'd have more joy playing music out of my fisher price suitcase turntable.
They aleeady have one, expensive as hell but they use it for broken 78s want a perfect turntable find a high end one from the 60s that's the golden age of records anyhow
...and then there's a power cut. Fetch the frisby Fido! Man, what a badly machined platter. What wobble. Wow and flutter be damned, it's a cheap copy of someone else's well engineered turntable that sells for REAL high-end costs, as in 20,000 Dollars. Not some cheapo 2900 Dollar rip-off like this. The whole point of the 'correctly' engineered version is to fully isolate the tracked record from vibration generated from the loudspeakers; eg, no contact, plus no bearing so no rumble. Not simply to 'look nice'. This piece of cardboard and plastic junk wouldn't pass muster with any hi-fi specialist.
I have no idea if this thing is well made or a good concept. However, it took me 30 seconds to google and see that it uses capacitors to store enough energy in the event of a power outage to lift the arm and raise the support feet.
Are you actually suggesting that $3000 isn't an insane amount to spend on audio equipment? Are you a millionaire and disconnected from reality, or are you insane and disconnected from reality?
I think anything above $300 (and at that level only for an ardent vinyl hobbyist) is an insane amount of money for a turntable. However, it’s a given this clip is about an insane object with an insane price. With that being stipulated, I just think one ought not trash it as junk just because one hasn’t put in 30 seconds to understand how it works, and is calling out a flaw that (again price notwithstanding) doesn’t exist.
What a technological achievement!, BUT everyone knows the arm should be physically connected to the platter, unless you can suspend arm and platter you will never appeal to Hifi heads just gadget freaks, so stronger electro magnets and adjusted electromagnetic control systems are needed. However, full credit to these guys for blowing peoples minds on what could potentially be achieved, amazing.
not only up / down but the platter is tilted, centre pin oscillating few millimeters... and this is shown on high end shows. total ignorance of basic concepts. fancy, but dark age, really.
Perhaps it seemed to me, but during the switching of tracks the background is heard ... In any case! Such a force of magnetic waves from a magnetic disk should be sufficient to distort the operation of a sensitive sensor that picks up the sound ..
Arm is made in Czech Republic. Pro-Ject is Austrian company, but they just bought Tesla Litvinov turntable factory after collapse of socialism and started proper business. Now they make many OEM parts and TTs. The arm itself is not a big deal. Construction and (except carbon fiber use) is at least 30 years old and was quite poorly rated even in times of socialism.
I watch audio product review videos all the time, and I must say this was one of the most enjoyable ones yet. I loved the visuals and the time you took to explain setup, technology, and waxing poetic at the end (I felt you!). I was wondering how you would describe the audio signature of this piece. Also I found it interesting that they would pair this TT with the inexpensive but very competent Ortofon OM10 cartridge. Your take?
I think the concept is sound and the stability issues exist but there is zero vibration . You probably could not make it skip by jumping on the floor .
Brock Berrigan, I had to rewatch the video a few times to catch the name. His stuff is in the usual places, iTunes, Google Play Music. Also a RU-vid channel.
Hey guys, To those guys saying it likely won't work well due to the rotational speed or whatever let me disagree right there at least in theory. In electronics it is incredibly SIMPLE to ensure a rotational speed of whatever you want within a very, very small tolerance. The up/down motion doesn't have to affect the quality of the sound either if you use the correct ARM and apparently it's expensive... So the real proof is in the testing which we didn't get here but again there's no reason why it can't work as good as a non-mag-lev version.
A sturdy turntable with a massive plate that spins at a constant speed and without any movement other than its rotation. That is what would justify a Pro-Ject tonearm. The levitating platter is nice but it wobbles visibly.
If I had one of those, do you wanna know what I would do? Embed it on a wooden desk, leaving holes for the little posts that hold it when not in use and the arm and the speed selector and make look even cooler.
