The greatest car that nobody buys this will be like the isf in 10 years. Good build quality good reliability it will be 10k over the price of a similar m3/4/5 or the c63.
Not true. Fact is the current Gen isf sucks. Performance wise it is inferior to every single one of its competitors and it’s unreasonably heavy, the single saving grace about it is the naturally aspirated v8. Asides from that it can’t compete with an m4, c63, rs5, etc.
Agreed. I've always been a fan of Lexus. Their cars were about 5 years ahead of their time around 2000. I'll also say that the 98-03 Subaru Legacy is an underappreciated car too. I mean this in the form of the JDM 02-03 Revision D model. Super easy to do a single turbo swap and make 220kW atw. All on stock ECU.
Welcome To The Madness 2016 GSF and 2000 NSX. Yes, they are slower but at least I don’t hv to worry about service $$$ and NA cars is just more pure to drive.
They're so damned reliable! In the long run, this car is hands down better than the Charger! Dodge isn't known for their longevity. And you can pickup your kids in this car and be safe and comfy.
I think these cars are so underappreciated. There's a guy that drives one near my work and I talked to him one day about it and he said he loves everything about it and the fact that he doesn't see any other ones keeps his unique.
I ran into one of these in my Mercedes S65. I was very impressed with it. Low end and mid range is really strong for the numbers it's making. Obviously I had the legs after about 110-120, but the midrange let him pull about a car and a half on me.
I've ridden in both, an I've driven an cl65. No way does a gs-f pull at any point on any 65amg. Eccept comin from a dig from you spinnin to hard? Beautiful cars though.👍
I never even considered this car as anything but a straight line car until just before the 12 hours of Sebring this year. The Sebring driving academy was doing demo laps in a few different cars and the GSF was hanging, being driven hard lap after lap, with a new M3, while sounding amazing. Lexus, you have my attention.
Better get one soon, this car will be highly sought after in a few years. Not to mention that Lexus is also not going to make them anymore. I believe 2019 is the last year.
@@davissilvestrs1996 Still seems to think BMW has some magic pixie dust thrown onto their chassis's. Torsional rigidity is a thing honey. The original LS400 is still more rigid than almost all that BMW offers even today. Never been to a track but talk a big game as usual. Time for a reality check.
@@d1sturb3d119 Is the first gen LS more rigid than the LFA supercar? Because I couldn't find the torsional stiffness for the LS but I did find that the LFA has 39,130 nm/deg while the old 2012 BMW 6 series coupe has 43,000 nm/deg and F80 M3 has 40.000 nm/deg lmao. Stop deluding yourself a 4000lb slushbox Lexus will NEVER EVER be a better track car than 3500lb dual clutch/manual BMWs.
@@mb-bf2zn yes I own a 2010 ISF its awesome. 400whp and been so reliable. Please read again. I said they need to make a new ISF. RCF is a joke. Based on the old is-c
nismo007 They are currently making the isf. Every Lexus is reliable and didn't that generation have a v8 option? The RCF is a heavy car if you compared it to other cars like the m4 but it's made for cruising not racing. It's a grand touring car.
@@mb-bf2zn What's your source for current isf? because if they were making one or had one now i would snap it up because the 3IS chassis is wayy better than the 2IS one, all I know they made a 2IS ISF between 08 and 14 and nothing after that.
nismo007 Go Lexus.com and it will say is350 f under all the other Is trin levels. Idk how different it is from the previous generation but it is still being sold by Lexus.
p387t it's twice the technology. Twice the luxury and twice the build quality. The Lexus GS V8 engine is also more high tech then the hellcats motor. You people just focus on HP and think that's determines pricing
@@acrspeed I've had American, Korean, and Japanese cars and the fit and finish of the Korean and Japan cars blows the American cars out of the water. HP is what sells these Chargers and Camaros. The body will fall apart before the engine does. I'm driving a 14 lincoln MKZ for another year then going back to Genesis or Lexus. Lincoln/Ford just doesn't compare.. Chevy and Ford just have HP wars and thats what sells.
The reason why I like these one takes is they aren't just car reviews they are also drives. Reviews quickly get boring and talking about a car can't fully express how it feels to drive while these one takes SHOW how the cars drive. For example I'm not going to watch any review of this car if it doesn't include onboard scenes and from most reviews you only get to know what the host thinks about a car and how it drives in his opinion. In a one take you just see more of the cars. I can't watch doug demorons videos because he never even drives the cars and if he does then he will only show us his face while driving. A big part of the audience probably shares my opinion. Just wanted to make it clear because some people still don't understand why I appreciate these videos even though they are a "low budget" production and can't even get myself to watch some of the higher production "quality" (cost) videos like carfection, petrolitious etc. Doug and a lot of the other channels will always be included in my youtube blocker list.
These days most of the "automotive" youtubers focus the videos on themselves or irrelevant things turning automotive journalism into a personality cult, most car channels don't even include onboard scenes and don't put any importance on actual driving, and motorsports is getting less attention because there are a lot of cockroaches who use cars to get exposure for their vlogs/products and they steal the spotlight from motorsports and driving videos. that's why TST became my favorite channel, because I simply get to see the cars driving and the videos come with little or no bullshit attached. the fact that doug is one of the most successful in the industry right now and he got there by simply using clickbaits and producing lots of low quality videos shows the horrible state of automotive journalism.
Well said. Your comments about “doug de moron” are spot on. The guy adds NO value. Personally, i think you’re a but harsh on the other two but i get your point.
So glad you finally got around to doing a review on the GS-F. Watched your live podcast yesterday with Doug, I agree it’s a S6, E43, CTS V Sport competitor.
Quaid McIver actually this is a higher performance tuned car then the any of the cars you mentioned those cars can only compete because of their power but this GSF is more Finally tuned then the S6, E43 and CTS V Sport because none of those cars are full fledged performance car this GSF is.
Toyota4Life I’m not knocking the GS, in fact I’m prepping to supercharge my AWG GS F Sport next summer. The GS-F is great value for the performance it provides. My statement was based on the conversation Matt had with Doug on the yesterdays podcast about where the GS-F fits amongst high performance sedans. Doug felt it was too weak and too expensive on power to truly compete with the E63-S, M5 and RS6. Matt said he felt it was great value for the money and it doesn’t need anymore hp. The GS-F is $85k and those sedans I mentioned are also near that $80-95k price, they may not be the full performance from their respective brands, but they match it on price, size and performance S6 has 450hp E53 has 430hp GS-F has 467. None of them offer carbon ceramics.
Quaid McIver dude I am with you on this. From the get go I always saw the GSF as an S6 type competitor (those cars end up in the 80k range after options)
The Law Family I see your point except most owners of an M5/E63/CTS-V don’t take their cars to a track. Also the GSF is in a bigger class of car than the M3
AWESOME performance sedan ‼️ Best Japanese sedan on sale right now hands down. Jeremy Clarkson said this car drives better then the M5 and AMG in his review of the GSF. This is a true drivers car even tho it doesn't have a manual. That v8 engine is a masterpiece and it's highly crafted. Lexus is making the best cars out of japan right now. Would love to put a supercharger on this and a aftermarket exhaust. Also Matt you were wrong when you said these are the seats from the LC500. The only cars that have these seats are the RCF and GSF. Those are only F performance seats non F cars do not get them.
Normally I'm not a fan of Lexus cars, but I really like this GSF, looks good, the engine sounds amazing, and it seems like they designed it for driving enthusiasts rather than on-paper spec chasers.
I got one about 7 months ago and I still love it more each day. It took me about 3 months to get really good with it, but that's on me, not the car, I gradually ran faster and faster, corners are a dream, and with all this power, the computers in it will not let me lose it and that make driving it such a relaxing fun time. To be able to hall ass and no worries about spinning out, that's wonderful. The quality of every part on the car is were that money goes, I couldn't be happier with the way the built it, except of course the interface with the maps but I got over that real fast, the screen on it is huge and looks great, built in instead of slapped on the dash, I hate that in so many cars now, this one looks designed right. I also love that it is not a cookie cutter design, most people that aren't car guy, don't know what it is at first and I like not having something that everyone else has. It didn't sell in big numbers is just fine with me. I almost bought an SUV, but I already have two vans, so I skipped that idea and went with a really sweat machine. I think this is the ultimate driving machine, the BMW's just break down too much with little things all the time, I hate that.
Got to drive this car before. Everything Matt is saying is true. Headunit infotainment system is trash, but everything else is progressive and slick. Anything you want this car to do it just does without any issue. Wanna drift ? ✅ Wanna hit the canyons ? ✅ Wanna drag race ? ✅ Want a grand tourer ? ✅ This car is truly a gem, and if it wasn't so expensive like it is, I would've bought one the same day I drove it. Super underrated car. Future Classic.
It's a great car at 55k to 63k. At 83k there was no way I could be okay with that. Especially when the difference between the price I think it should be is a whole brand new GTI more expensive, which I owned at the time.
It takes alot of engineering, design, material testing and manufacturing to make this car before making it even reliable. So it really isn't that expensive if you take everything into account.
Matt you finally got a product that caught my attention. I'll have to check it out, always have to wear gloves when driving so I don't ruin the leather on my steering wheel
Sitting in my GS300, watching this on my lunch break, and I’m thinking, “yeah that’s cool and all, but 2JZ is life!” Right? WRONG. This V8 sounds SOOOO GOOD. This car is absolutely gorgeous. In white, it kills!
Just an FYI. the RCF and GSF are not the same seats as the LC 500. The LC came later and went through 2 years and 50 prototypes of R&D. The GSF/RCF seat leather patterns are stitched first then filled with a hardening liquid foam to prevent any inconsistencies in bolster feel. The LC seat also has a movable headrest, the GSF/RCF headrest is built into the seat
Ever since I bought mine, I’ve gotten so much hate. Why didn’t you buy an M3?!!!? Oh you couldn’t afford that’s why you settled for a Lexus. Lmao, makes me laugh every time because it’s useless explaining to them why it’s such a special care. All those guys ever care about is HP and TQ.
I own a GSF 2018 and like how you put the GSF on Sports mode & sport plus, it change the Engine's tone and the sound of the car. its like she's asking you to drive her more faster and she sounds Hungry when you push that Gas
@Smoking Tire Just recently bought a 2018 GSF in Orange County love the N/A V8 powertrain should be a future JDM collectors car. Excellent balance, handling and practicality for daily driving and performance GT racing. I will be adding some Tom’s racing bolt-ons let me know if you want to shoot a video on it sometime.
I have a 2008 GS 460, with 120k miles on it and I love it. The car is reliable and not as expensive to take care as most people think with any Lexus vehicle especially with a V8 engine. I'm loving the new generation GS lineups so I can only imagine how fun the GSF is but also it's going to be reliable too.
I'm assuming that you are driving a 2018 GS-F based on the date you uploaded this video. Since the 2022 IS 500 is coming out, you'll find more people noticing your review. This is a great review and watching you drive and the sound of the engine. :o)
Spot on, everything Matt says I agree. I have owned this car over 1 year. From daily to race track and love this car. Also it is truly compared to a m3 or m5. It's a race car with a race engine. It even have pumps inside the engine which only race engines have them. The HP does not determine if its fast. The balancing and handling does. It is a true competitor to the M series. Not a S6 or similar car.
@John Doyle on comfort mode it is very civilized and smooth. Similar to the regular GS 350. On sport + mode is a different story. And the GSF around a second slower than the new M4s. Its not much slower
You have really sold me on this car. When i first heard about it, the idea of "only" 460 hp seems like it got left in a performance era of the past with today's turbo v8s. But i've owned a e39 m5, and a e92 m3, and both of those cars had the sweetest engines even though they weren't all that fast. I loved both of those cars and kind of regret selling them both. The more i learn about the GSF, the more it seems like it picks up the torch where those left off. Mind you with an auto trans.. but still. Very Cool, very different. Great review
The dampers are adaptive. AVS modules can be spotted on top of shock towers at 2:30. As far as I know all GSF's started to come equipped with adaptive dampers since the 2017 model year.
I saw Matt's review of the ISF when it first came out. Last year I pulled the trigger on a white lowmiled 08 example that have been with the same owner since 13. I adore it, coming up on its 90000km service this year, its the big service with sparkplugs and so on. 1100$ at a Lexus dealer! The same service for a M4 is 2500$
lexus has always had some amazing sounding engines, ever since the 2JZ days, its suprising though that to this day they *still* have amazing sounding engines
You legitimately covered every single reason why I bought a CPO 2016 GSF a few months ago; this video will be my response to the bombardment of "why not an M or an AMG they're better" nonsense. Shout-out to the 2016s being the only year with standard suspension. Coming out of an E36 m3 track car that I don't miss one bit with this thing around
Another great episode, but I would like to clarify that the GS F you were driving had adjustible shocks. Only the first 2016MY does not get 'em. You can see, when you opened the hood there cables coming out of shock tops.
Thank you Matt!! Just got a 2016 with 25k miles, this car is phenomenal!! Also for the infotainment problem all you need is to get Beat Sonic Apple car play module and the problem is solved. Love it !!!
carpe is probably the only thing that i would actually buy, considering my lack of confidence drop after my crash making me nervous while driving in the heavy rain.
Everyone likes to state that the car is behind the average CTSV or AMG, but has anyone even tried to live with those cars daily? I'm genuinely curious cause they don't hook up in most normal driving conditions, they're a handful if the road is wet in any way and from what I've seen the people who own them never daily drive them. I daily my ISF, and there are folks where I work who daily their F cars no matter what weather we have (utah). CTSV's AMG's and the M cars on the other hand are kept away in their garages from what I've seen. Hell my ISF is a handful the second the roads get wet and I'm still at stock HP. So 600hp in the hands of an average driver although momentarily thrilling isn't something you're even close to extracting on the street. I get the comparison in terms of spec sheets but for daily use, none of those cars are really being used daily sadly. Also if you want more power RR racing gets these motors upto 650hp. Their latest tune got the ISF to 725. From what I've seen folks make huge hp and then put those beasts to sleep while they putter along in other daily's. Why not buy something sane, that's middle ground and doesn't bite your arm off in bad conditions instead? and hell decent reliability isn't cheap folks. That has to be engineered which costs time and money. Hence the comparable price to their higher powered German counterparts.
@@normt5463 The CTSV doesnt have awd. The AMG's have their garbage 4 matic which shouldnt even be considered AWD, M cars are RWD only and Audi does provide AWD but is the only car with decent AWD with a performance package.
What you're saying is maybe true for the M5's or E63 AMG's from about 10-15 years ago. The new ones make absolutely perfect daily drivers, they can be supremely comfortable if you want them to, they have stuff like adaptive cruise control, massaging seats and whatnot and they both have AWD nowadays, should you ever find yourself in wet/snowy conditions. As a matter of fact im 100% sure they'll make much, much better dailys than this. The GSF seems to be more of a purists version of a high end sports sedan with that beautiful 5.0 V8. Also it's quite a lot cheaper, so I'm not sure if you really can/should compare them. The M5/E63 definitely are the better/more complete cars (just watch Matt's One Take on the E63), whereas I see the GSF as the cheaper (but still awesome!) purists version.
@@davissilvestrs1996 lol extrememly durable if the owner has durable pockets. I always wonder why bmw owners like to get defensive about reliability. Why dont owners stop making excuses and demand better engineered products? Bmw comes no where near reliability compared to lexus. They could if then wanted to but that's not who they sell to. They engineer cars to fail.
Goodness gracious what camera is that and what software did you use. What's your frame rate, what's your export settings. This is amazing quality or is it the car that looks so mint?
Umair Khan I’m debating that...I might go with the GS f cause they both have the same engine and u get more room so in a way it’s a win win NA V8 four door beast
Wish I was in a position to spend enough for a GSF at any point this generation. I really love what Lexus has done with them. Can be ACTUALLY fun when you want it, and is pure Lexus comfort and reliability the rest of the time
You have the same opinion as chris harris, it's meant for the street, the suspension, stability, and feedback is great. Comparing it to a bmw m5 with 600 hp and a uber stiff suspension, it just spins and has a weird twitch when counter steering.
Got to do some autocross in GS earlier this year, some of which can be seen on my channel. This car is an absolute blast to throw around. Just wish I could’ve had more time with it and the LC.
@@Ali-yy5ow friend has rcf and lookin at his avg consumption its about 15L/100km with fairly normal driving. Its not efficient engine at all lol but thats not why you buy cars like this i guess. Then again i have f10 m5 tuned and it averages 11.9 fairly normal city driving. And thats wayyyyyyy faster than this car bettee built etc etc. But i guess if you want to go with the germans you gotta pay a bit extra upfront.
When one buys a Lexus, they want a reliable luxury car that is smooth unlike the race like stocky German cars. Still, this is a performance car like no other. I hope its reliable that keeps with that Lexus reputation.
I have a 2017 Chevrolet SS and this GSF is very much a similar car. Both have plenty of room, GSF interior is likely higher quality, but the 6.2 LS3 V8 in the SS has a wonderful sound throughout the rev range. Of, course, I have the 6-speed manual which is so much more entertaining. All in all, the SS was such a bargain, especially when GM heavily discounted it (making it $40,000). Too bad 2017 was the last year as it does not look like GM plans a replacement.
If i were on the lookout for a big GT car, i'd take the Lexus LC over the MercAston any day. ..and after watching this it seems that to me, the Lexus GSF is FAR more interesting than the BMW M5. We live in insane times.. I used to love BMW back in the E39, E90 and the likes days. Now the newest BMW i really want is the 1M. I know people say the M2 is great, but that one doesn't speak to me either. ..if only Lexus could come up with less ugly grills..
Very professionally made drive experience!💪🏼👍 Enjoyed it nearly like I was drivin it by myself!! Thx for this I love the GSF, too and yes it‘s defo an undarrated underfog and a precious collectible!!
Matt, I love that you did this car I'm waiting on prices to come down on used ones. The GSF got Adaptive Variable Suspension in 2017, it's just really good so it isn't as obvious as from other manufacturers.
Absolutely fantastic car. NA V8, beautiful interior, awesome handling and Lexus reliability. If I were looking to buy into this segment I wouldnt hesitate a second.
When this first came out, I was upset Lexus didn’t inject more power in to the engine and also upset that a BMW 550i is a little faster than it. Now, even 2 year old BMW N63 engines are starting to show problems. Lexus did good with the NA engine. This will give at least 20 years of enjoyment from the V8 and this chassis, well worth the price. The turbo V8s on the German mobiles are fun for 3-4 years. After that, you have to worry about putting load on the engine. I cannot wait to find a good 4 year old example of a GSF at a good price.
This car may seem to have a high MSRP, but literally the only option is the mark levinson audio, which you should be getting anyways. Very GSF is fully loaded basically
Still have my S160 GS430 still a joy to drive the 4th just never had the classy looks of the 2Gen look at how many 2Gen GS’s were sold. Though I wouldn’t mind picking these up once they drop in the low 20K’s
This is lovely underrated car which looks stunning in blue, black or white. It also will outlast shitty audi. It sounds amazing, it's safe and I really want one.
@@memeade3914 I have owned lexus cars for years and coming from a 2016 GS350 F sport, the GS F was a dream car to me. Everytime I go outside and hit that start engine button the roar from the exhaust makes me smile. Such a beautiful powerful and respectful vehicle. I don't think you can go wrong with this purchase I'm enjoying it.
I was looking forward to this One Take when you mentioned it with Doug on the podcast yesterday. I've always liked the GS. It's not as big as the LS and not as small as the IS.
These sound fantastic with an aftermarket cat back. People see a Lexus badge and hear the noise it makes and are probably confused at first. Same goes for the LC500 even with that stock exhaust.
Awesome cars! I have a 2016 GS350 F-Sport in that same white on red color combo that I bought used two years ago with 41k miles for $31k all together (Original MSRP $58k) & has been an absolutely amazing car & planning on keeping it for a very long time!
I bought a 2019 ES-Fsport without the adaptive suspension option. Now I’m paying the price and really need to somehow upgrade my suspension,at least the front to make the car stiffer and more stable on the road. Can anyone suggest the right type of coil over springs to improve the handling for the new ES? Thanks
I was hoping you would do a review on the GS F 10th Anniversary Edition. They got some unique touches to that, as far as I heard from the other videos.
I like it Matt. You'd think Toyota could offer us discounted manual transmission versions of these cars instead of partnering with BMW for an auto only sports car. :(
a friend of mine had it and it was a blast to drive but absolutely a nightmare when it breaks down. sensors everywhere and unless you have warranty or the right diag tool your out of luck.
Mighty car for a niche market. Shits on anything in its class (E43/53, 550, ctsv sport) in terms of dynamics and dual personality. Would love to one own one day.
Drove the GSF once on a track and the handling was excellent, much better than the RCF and even the LC500 IMO. It's a shame no one's really buying them.
