I enjoy these "Grumpy" reviews. They are honest and are a good representation of what a typical driver would would note when sharing information about the car with friends.
At first I thought “Lexus?!” But then all the things you were grumpy about were totally agreeable. We need more fun constructive criticism videos. Learned a lot.👍
@RF-it7uvDamn you fcking wrote the entire Bible. Just add the chapters and verses then you’re good to go. (I agree with everything you said by the way😉)
You were at a 150 station, so no EVs will get a charge rate of over 200kwh on a 150 station. My Ioniq 5 gets up into the 170's kwh, so this car is definitely slower charging than that, but may be on par with some of the other EVs it will be competing with. I've been a Lexus car owner for many years and my es350 rocks on the road, but I'm disapppointed in this EV. I'm glad I got the Ioniq 5!
I'm a HI5 owner as well. There is no metric in which this embarassment of an EV effort by Toyota that comes close to the HI5, let alone beats it. A top spec HI5 is still $10k cheaper. I expect Toyota will be begging people to take these things off of their lots.
This seems like a solid first attempt car. The problem is that Toyota/Lexus/Subaru are so late to the BEV market (not counting compliance cars like the Rav4 EV from many years ago). But the competition are already on their 2nd, 3rd, or more generations of BEVs. I cannot imagine spending that much money on a car with no glove box. WTF?
My buddy is a Lexus die hard with his 20th Lexus. He currently is driving his 5th RX 350. He owned 2 previous RX 450H. He spent the weekend with an RZ full equipped with no 240V charger at home. I must admit the interior finish and toys are supreme. The range is the worst it can be with barely 150 miles. Although the dealer was eager to lease him this EV, he decided not to and will wait until his current lease is up. The fully loaded RZ 450 is 120K$ CAD. Good luck Lexus.
You know why Tesla Superchargers don't have a screen, cause they don't need a screen! The car's screen gives you all the information, speed, cost, time to charge, miles added.
I liked this review and format but the car is whelming, and hopefully EA does something about their stations, I visited the one nearest my house and it had two units down that day as well, I've only encountered about 8 broken supercharger stalls in over 100k miles and two downed sites (one hurricane flood aftermath, one site without power for a short while)
The connection no one seems to make about it not having a rear wiper, is that sedans are like this without rear wipers yet people managed fine with them.
It takes about 15 minutes and a bidirectional OBD-2 scanner to do away with all the default beeping that the corporate lawyers made them program into the vehicles loaned to you tube reviewers. My DB8BT made the RZ completely silent. All those beeps can be easily changed.
This is meant to be a luxury car but Toyota cheaped out with a 71 kw/hr battery that has 63.5 usable capacity. The Ioniq 5 has about 77 kw/hr usable capacity. The onboard charger is 6.6 kw compared to the 11 kw on the ioniq 5. Toyota wasn’t really even trying to make this car competitive.
I've spent over a year with the KIA EV6 in Central Oregon. Abundant snow, ice and rain. Never once wished I had a rear wiper. For this specific car it's unnecessary. IONIQ 5 has a much more upright rear window so I could possibly see a case on that model.
A very real and honest review of this new tech in cars! A lot of media sensationalizes a lot of that junk but this is very real world conversation about a new car.
I am leasing the RZ 300e with 266 miles range. Biggest issues for me are the flimsy Charge port and Switch gear that are Toyota quality. Bought it for driving in the city. Everything else feels top-notch and I fully expect it to last 20 years without any issues.
Great video and I appreciate the honesty. The more I view videos of trying to charge, the more I am deciding NOT to purchase an EV at this time. Just not worth the hassle. Will stick with my gas vehicle and maybe in a couple of years, I will revisit.
While we often complain about the lousy build quality of the Teslas out there, we should also complain about the horrible compromises imposed upon us by legacy car manufacturers who build electric cars for the first time. Toyota should be embarrassed building such junk - small batteries, inadequate cooling and electrical components for charging, gimmicky radiant heating for knees instead of glove boxes, an overly complicated system of coolant lines and multiple radiators inside of the frunk, a lack of thought put into access for door pulls, and to hide such a juvenile and immature design a splash of expensive materials and finishes. Also, Toyota where is the software to enable charging station to station travel on long distance trips? Boy, if this is your best effort Toyota, you are going to die and fade away as a company.
29:33 I’m confused. It seems that the 10- 80% time is the only thing that matters. Who cares about the peak charging rate if it can’t maintain a high average charging speed. The average charging speed is baked into the 10-80% time. I do understand that this is still an incomplete metric as it does not speak to range.
I will bet a years wages that the beeps originate from Subaru. I swear we sold our Ascent due to the unbelievable amount of noises it made for every single little thing.
A Symphony of beeping going on for sure 👎 I think it is a Safety issue, as each time it starts beeping you are conditioned to start looking at the screens to see what it wants, taking your eyes off the road.
I was so looking forward to the Solterra/BZ4X/RZ450e to complement my 1999 Lexus SC400. The design and engine limitations really turned me off. 17,000 miles later, I'm very happy with my Ford Mach-e (don't call it a Mustang). Thank you for the honest video! As a Ford Mach-e owner, I feel the pain of public charging. I can only hope that EA and EV Go get their s*** together. I don't know how many times I've pulled into an EA station and had the unit not functional. I've had to call EA many times.
Can’t wait till these get to 25k so I can be annoyed daily by its beeps and boops. I just want something nice to drive around town in that fits in my garage. Burning 1 gallon of gas in my f150 to get groceries is kinda dumb.
the amount of beeps is just totally unacceptable. Actually detracts from the car experience. Glad you could point this out, no way would I buy this from the beeps alone, would drive me bonkers!
Clearly there's a snake in all this high tech tomfoolery. I can't see the appeal to this at all. There's better for cheaper and a lot less hassle. If GM would upsize the Bolt they'd actually have a compelling offering!
Hello guys. I love your reviews and your honest acting, but I have some info of Lexus RZ I would like to share with you. Because of the common way of long distance travelling by car in the US you need fast charging and too heavy batteries for long range vehicles. Personally I think we need more delopment of the batteries before we have evs suited for fast long traveling without too heavy cars. And I'm sorry to tell if all electric vehicles were built after this goal I would not have been able to be moved anywhere inside an ev. A lot of people including me got too high immunresponce from a vaccine that led to the immune defence system attacked the nervous system. A normal reaction from this is that people getting paralyses and can have tought inflammations making them disabled for life, and attacking all sorts of muscular systems including heart and lungs people are exhausted and bedridden for years. And it's no good if lunge- or heart inflammations is growing. This disabled people often become hypersensitive for sound and vibrations such as from the road and the car. And every time you have to visit a hospital for control and treatment in emergency or all sorts of other vehicles you might getting worse and exhausted for weeks with the illness growing. My family was watching me and feared for my healf and life because I was growing worse after transport for every needed treatment, and they started testing a lot of vehicles trying to make all the transports themselves. At last they had picked out a few all too expencive evs, but these also had a sort of noise and vibrations which I'm getting completely exhausted from. These costly evs had long range and a weight of more than 2,5 tons with the most advanced air suspensions. And even if they were quiet and the owners love the comfortable ride, some told they were surprice that they still needed a short break for streching their legs after 3,5 hours. At last my family tried a Lexus RZ 450e, and it was surpricingly better than all others even on 20" wheels (rims) and without air-suspension. After a change to 18" wheels they drove me as a passenger back and forth to the hospital without no problems for more than 90 minutes. When I became bedridden my lovely wife helped me and feeded me for months, and after all transport by family and friends in this Lexus I'm not growing worse from every transport any more. In average an Norwegian car runs around 7.500 miles/year, and some people are driving longer distances, but most people are not making many longer trips a year. Now I haven't permissian to drive a car, but as menthioned my lovely wife bought this car trying to bring me through this scary illness. She has normally been driving aprox the double of the average Norwegians with aprox 15.000 miles/year (24-25.000 km/year) using the car in commuting, visiting family and friends she normally are noti near the rangelimit. And even before I became disabled we just where driving longer distances in vaccations, and loved a break at the same time as the car. In these few longer trips we normally either topping up for a few extra miles or taking 30-40 minutes break for 80 % charging maybe only 1-2 times a year. Ofcourse she has 18" wheels with the comfort from higher sidewalls of the tire, longer range, a cheaper ride both in electric consumtion, tire wear and lower tirecost in the price of each tire which will last longer. The 1100 pounds lighter vehicle than the most costly ev my family testet gives better handling with no need of air-suspension, and of course we love the shorter braking distance og a lighter car. As menthioned I understand the long range focus on in the US, but with the batteries for the time being I think some of the benefits I love with evs are dissapearing. Thanks for your reviews.
7:52 The reason why the car is beeping is to remind you that it has lost detection of the Proximity Key (It occurs on many other vehicles) Hope this helps :)
Roman, that was a stright up lie about Tesla not having chargers on your Florida trip as I watched it. You always had a charger. You just don't know much about the navigation system.
I own Luxus CT200h hybrid, drives nice goes good and has a spare (space saver) in a big country like Australia a tyre repair kit is BS. FYI In a hybrid Lexus in sports mode the steering stiffens and in a hybrid accelerates better.
I know that charging spot. Tommy goes there when he does gym work outs. 😉 I believe he had similar issues. As in, he already discovered that location sucks for reliable charging stations. Wonder, did this spot purposely get used so Roman could continue to point out grumpy situations? Surely Tommy told him, don't go there. Think I seen that 2nd station being used where they found the snake too. Oh, Roman, guess what, 2nd potential dangerous scenario at a charging station over going to a gas station has been made now. Will you concede that fact or gloss over it? 😜
I am tired of manufacturers dismissing the presence of a frunk by saying owners rarely use them. The honest answer is their engineering is simply not there yet. Every bit of space matters when going to Costco or to the airport.
I can ask electric Ford Explorer last night. It looked similar in the front to the Lightening, but not the headlights. I didn't see a light bar in the back, but it was in the front. The body was sleek. I had no idea they were making one.
The slow charging and low overall battery range on these and Toyta's bz4x are all because Toyota really wanted for the battery to last for long time (the faster you charge rechargeable batteries = the faster they will degrade, same goes for capacity), something they have mentioned for both models. Unfortunately for many people it's not something that they care about, for them the faster charging (without daily limits on how many times you can do that) and higher usable battery range are most important things about EVs and this Lexus and Toyota-branded version of it will definitely not be something desirable. And yea, the amount and variety of beeping warnings is really too much on this Lexus.
"The slow charging and low overall battery range on these and Toyta's bz4x are all because Toyota really wanted for the battery to last for long time (the faster you charge rechargeable batteries = the faster they will degrade, same goes for capacity), something they have mentioned for both models .. " Really bad excuses. Toyota is just so far behind in BEV tech/expertise/capability. They're more like a horse-carriage manufacturer in the early days of automobile
I drove one at a press event a few weeks ago. Have to agree with most of his criticism but disagree about the interior. Nothing about the interior looks or feels like typical Lexus quality. The steering wheel covering, in particular, has an odd feel. I’m sure Lexus wanted to be like the cool kids and swath the interior entirely in recycled materials. Honestly, Kia and Hyundai do it much better.
$67k car and 100kw charging🫣. My used $30k 4 year old model 3 standard range does 175kw. I loved my old Toyota ICE trucks but Toyota is at least 5-10 years behind with EVs. Pretty car with craptastic charging.
How long will those LCD glass roof panels last? LCD screens have a finite life, and being exposed to harsh sun and temperatures makes me skeptical they will be good after 10 years
They aren't LCD. It's an electrostatic process. So you apply a voltage and it changes. You apply the opposite voltage and it reverses. There is no constant voltage and current like there would be for an LCD. Mercedes uses a similar process for it's colour changing paint job. Look up electrochromatic glass.
@@mondotv4216 Internet research I did shows they have life similar to batteries - about 10 to 20 years. Not bad, but I still doubt they make over 10 years with harsh sun regimes and temperature conditions. Modern cars are meant to last 10 years no more I guess.
@@bartwaggoner2000 I guess if you garage the car it will last longer, just like paint. They use the same tech for window tinting in some expensive corporate buildings so it has to be reasonably robust.
The question is will Toyota be able to make a competitive EV when they get serious or will the competition have pulled ahead too far? I imagine the loyal Lexus customers who buy this will eventually feel burned.
I agree. This isn’t a car for an EV enthusiast, but for someone new to EVs who is going to drive around town it could be fine. I wouldn’t expect this to be super competitive, but with a bigger battery, a better onboard charger and a better instrument cluster I might think Toyota was actually trying. I’m guessing they have built these either because they feel they have to something out there or because it gives them data for the next build. I’m as impressed by the Koreans as I am unimpressed by Toyota.
@aussie2uGA there is nothing wrong with the tech. Toyota and Lexus want longer lasting EV batteries hence the limit to the charging speed. Any manufacturer will tell you to use superchargers sparingly to preserve the battery.
I understand the need/benefit of automotive partnerships, but Toyota teaming up with Subaru (the company who has not been able to even muster a 1/2 decent/affordable/practical hybrid) for an EV? They would have been better off teaming up with their other sometimes partners in creation by trying to make some kind of BMW/Lexus EV collaboration.
In fact.....the sloping angle of the rear window makes a wiper completely unnecessary. Rear wipers are only necessary when the rear window is upright, as in a boxy SUV. A squared profile leads to turbulent airflow, which deposits grime on the glass. The car design in the vehicle is fine, the main problem is that as an EV it sucks in almost every criterion. Small range, slow charging and even more incredible it can only be fast charged a few times in a row thus making road tripping an impossibility! It's a half arsed EV that no one should buy, unless what they need is a 'Real Lexus" golf cart. POS.
Did that charging stall share power with other chargers at the station? I'm curious how much of that 100kW charging speed was the car vs what the stall could provide with other's charging at the station. With
It’s bout time both car manufacturers & charging stations operators develop tech to let customers know if charger is operating or down instead of driving miles to find a dead unit
For the amount of money they are asking for the car, they will not sell a single one of these. The UX hybrid is $20-25K cheaper. This car makes no sense.
Toyota/Lexus designers (stylists?) got carried away thinking they're still building/prototyping an ancient pyramid. The grill kinda looks like a fake pyramid. Well actually a genuine pyramid is better than this.
@@jonvb2439 I recently test drove a Model Y, as well as this Lexus and the Subaru Soterra. The Model Y is a non-starter for me. Too much road noise, and WAY too much road vibration makes its way into the cabin. It's just unacceptable for a car of that price. The Subaru and Lexus are in a completely different class when it comes to that. The Lexus is (of course) a bit more refined in both of those categories, but the Solterra is great as well. Also, the lack of panel gaps, and having a car put together properly are nice as well.
Yeah, rear no wiper is a non-starter. The quality here is a joke. Then there is the DC fast charging limit and the poor range. What a complete joke Toyota has become.
This car is not competitive. Its range and charging rate is about 3 years behind the market. As such, its price should be at least 20% less. Furthermore, rich people are notoriously impatient. That slow charging rate is a big miss.
I don't agree that this car is a Subaru base. This car is a Toyota base and it was rebranded to a Subaru. It has much more Toyota in it than it does Subaru. And Lexus cars are always refined Toyotas, but that refinement matters, I don't have a problem with the name bZ4X either. Maybe I'm in the minority but it's another alpha-numeric name IMO. You don't have the model with what makes this car interesting and that's the variable steer by wire. That model isn't available yet.
They focused on battery logevity as opposed to quicker charging. How often to people really use superchargers anyway? It's definitely not a road trip car for sure.
Climate controls should almost be a non issue. I set the temperature on my Tesla while picking the car up at the dealer 5 months ago. Push the steering wheel button and say "set the temperature to 68". I have only readjusted it once more for practice than anything else. I like grumpy reviews so I know I am not listening to a car salesman.
