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What if the Lion was chosen as Warmaster instead of Horus? What if he was the one to lead the heresy? What if the traitors and loyalists swapped?
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@majorkill 10 месяцев назад

Download Tacticus and unlock the Tyranid Neurothrope now : play.tacticusgame.com/majorkill_neurothrope Big shout out to Paint_newb for the incredible artworks and high quality lore synopsis for the Lion El' Heresy paint_newb : instagram.com/paint_newb/?hl=en www.artstation.com/chank0211 This was not done in collaboration with Paint_newb, more so me wanting to do a Lion El' Heresy for a while now and the happy coincidence of him pouring his heart and soul into a similar concept. Obviously there is alot of details and characters missing as well as some questionable motives due to how compressed the video was trying to fit all the main details but I hope it was entertaining!

@rapson158 10 месяцев назад

Imagine comenting 5 minutes late on your own video

@user-bv6jj5or8e 10 месяцев назад

Pirates on a boat

@fucktheads1111 10 месяцев назад

Konrad but he has to go through his own spiritual journey to get good 😌 and be besties with sanguinius

@Sciontabier 10 месяцев назад

Please make a Nykona Sharrowkyn/Raven Guard inspired major mini.

@irishspartanstudios 10 месяцев назад

Imma be real, I don't like how you made Vulkan a daemon prince. Him consuming an Avatar of Khaine was very interesting, so the daemonic ascension sounded redundant. Aside from that, most of the scinerio was amazing, even if it had its rough spots. We need the whole story, Majorkill! We need the whole story!

@rexlumontad5644 10 месяцев назад

Sanguinius as the Daemon Primarch of Khorne is way scarier than canon Angron.

@LupercalRising 10 месяцев назад

Seeing as a tired Sanguinius wrecked Demon Angron, Demon Sanguinius would have ripped any Primarch in half easily

@deusvult6164 10 месяцев назад

@@LupercalRising the problem there is Angron was always the punching bag of all writers lol

@phantomwraith1984 10 месяцев назад

He and his legion are literally blood thirsty vampire berserkers. If Khorne had his way and got the blood angels, chaos would've won in months

@PrinzAquatic 10 месяцев назад

scary is an understatement, sanguinius after battling the entire force of chaos + khorne greater demon he still manage to banished demon angron imagine prime + chaos boosted sanguinius, hell literaly become the 5th chaos god in term of power

@fancypantsmanface2445 10 месяцев назад

@@deusvult6164 I'd like to think Khorne loves him for it. That he can see what Angron should have been; his honor, compassion and willingness to fight anything regardless of the odds for what he saw as right and just. Sees his own corruption with what self-awareness a Choas god can have in how he was born to those ideals and twisted into what he is by the savagery of mortal actions and their refection upon him. Dumb as fuck, I know, but I'd like to the Chaos gods are still affected by their origin. Tzeentch is happy eve to be twarted, Nurgle's just a good guy doing his best and Khorne still hating people that kill the easy, weak kills. After all, for all the saying is "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows" he clearly and objectively does.

@thecrawlingspleen 10 месяцев назад

I feel like if Lorgar had remained loyalist, he could have developed into a really cool character.

@joshuapatino._.4075 10 месяцев назад

Would’ve led the black templars

@thenoicesoldier4817 10 месяцев назад

@@joshuapatino._.4075 Yeah I reckon his legion would have mirrored the cannon black templars in vigor and belief in the emperors divinity

@punec 10 месяцев назад

@@thenoicesoldier4817 Come now. I think we all know the WB would have been better than the Black Templars. And their hebrew/arabic thing would have been cooler than the knight crusader thing imo (I mean if I'm not mistaken and they do have a hebrew/arabic thing going)

@dontgetmarried 10 месяцев назад

@@punec I have a degree in Anthropology so please let me vomit information at you :) he has elements of early Christianity, traditional Judaism, and Golden Age Islam. With him having the Turkish features of the Emperor, it definitely adds that "mysterious Middle Eastern religion" vibe. Think Exodus era Judaism mixed with the high culture of the Islamic nations under the Caliphs (during the era of the European Dark Age). Add crusader era Christianity fanaticism (back when men were men and unbelievers were purged) lmao As a Roman Catholic I LOVE the Word Bearers lmao 🤣😹

@macshadow1150 10 месяцев назад

Well last stand of Lorgar in Dornian Heresy was rather awsome

@theseeker9442 10 месяцев назад

"They prove why they are the Emperor's Children as they fight with the fury of five legions" Love it

@JIMT412 10 месяцев назад

I like how alt heresies give Lucius' scars a different origin, from Roboutian a reminder of the torture horror the Druhkari can inflict, to Alternatus to the nightmarish scenario that was the Istvaan massacre.

@crilleedara 7 месяцев назад

Yeah a Very good point

@randomguyblank1616 10 месяцев назад

You know, I like how this version of the Heresy isn't just "hey, what if everyone's role was reversed" but actually had some major shakeups to later events as well. Like with Rogal becoming an renegade instead of a true traitor, the slight civil war among the traitors when the Emperor backed up Horus, Malcador living, and Magnus becoming the primarch of the Grey Knights.

@grimnir8872 10 месяцев назад

Except is it plagued by dozens of "Lol role reversed" parts with Russ being especially pathetic in that regard. Tzeentch doesn't reflect a single thing about his personality or his Legion at all.

@ralzinmcguffin9276 10 месяцев назад

@@grimnir8872 Really feels like he got short-end of the stick in that Khorn already wanted Sanguinius, so the most fitting chaos god for the angry wolf was already taken. Slannesh and nurgle make even less sense, but playing with the 'totally not magic' his people use, and his people changing shape into wolves as being marked by Tzeench... it's not great but I see why they made it that way for the retelling. I agree that it feels the weakest of all the reversals

@starhammer5247 10 месяцев назад

@@grimnir8872 Leman hates psykers while coming up with the most asinine defence for his own psykers while having a legion filled with the potential to mutate and Russ having his own innate psychic powers. Doesn't help that he was tricked an ungodly number of times and didn't do what he claimed to do. The Emperor's Executioner thing was an entirely self-proclaimed title. He almost killed Horus but hesitated because he felt bad. Meanwhile, he didn't hesitate to snap Magnus over his fucking knee or burn his fucking homeworld to the ground. This doesn't mention that his legion was given literal animal DNA. Tzeentch could literally turn all of them into werewolves. He is prime material for Tzeentch.

@phlixcarbon 10 месяцев назад

To be fair I've always seen the space wolves as Traitors not necessarily as in worshipping chaos but in the true sense of the word. They betrayed their brothers of the thousand sons I have no doubt in my mind Magnus did not do anything intentionally wrong and had he contacted the Emperor in time, the Emperor wouldn't have approved the slaughter of the thousand sons and betrayal of the Space wolves.

@berry1666 9 месяцев назад

@@grimnir8872 I like to imagine tzentch getting Sanguinus just to piss of khorne, so Khorne ends up with leman. Similar to how khorne wanted sanguinius but got angron

@darkninja1732 10 месяцев назад

My headcanon is that for Rylanor, he was more than willing to stay behind on Istvaan so Fulgrim could escape with the others but Fulgrim made him leave. "You are Rylanor, the Ancient of Rites. The legion still needs you, but not as a martyr."

@JIMT412 10 месяцев назад

And Rylanor saying "Father, I will always by your son now and always" and becomes the Bjorn of this setting

@abysswalker2594 9 месяцев назад

That’s something I really want to know for the rest of the character like him did they stay loyal or turn Like sigesman did he stay with dorn or tuned on him

@sev1120 7 месяцев назад

@@JIMT412and Bjorn fills Rylanor's role, waiting on Istvaan until the primarch returns

@TheCorrodedMan 7 месяцев назад

@@sev1120Even better; as the centuries pass, Bjorn slowly begins to succumb to the Curse of the Wulfen, morphing into this horrifying abomination of a techno-organic werewolf, leading to a massive wolf-on-wolf battle between the Daemon Primarch and his twisted but loyal son.

@sev1120 7 месяцев назад

@@TheCorrodedMan or another idea: Bjorn fully succumbs DURING the battle with Russ, devastated by what his primarch has become, and in this moment of grief and hatred, that is when the curse takes over. And it is then said that all those who hunt the tainted russ, are guided by a great wolf through the heavens, one whose fury could devour gods themselves, whose maw can consume suns. Bjorn the Fell-Handed, becomes Bjorn the Ravener (a reference to one of Fenrir's epithets in Norse mythology)

@toonnddaa 10 месяцев назад

Its nice to see space wolves not becoming khorne demons

@lolbitbot4791 10 месяцев назад

I would've thought they would be more slanesh type demons. Since they would indulge in thier more primal urges hence giving into corruption.

@phantomwraith1984 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, that never made sense

@mattiaslime8926 10 месяцев назад

Other au cover that

@grimnir8872 10 месяцев назад

It makes basically no sense, it would arguably make more sense for Russ and the Space Wolves to fall to Nurgle to oppose the supreme Tzeentch favouritism the Thousand Sons have. You could easily write a scenario where Russ's assault on prospero utterly fails, and Magnus predicts the fleet in orbit, casting a great spell to hurl them into the warp. Stuck there, Russ' legion shares the fate of the Death Guard, swearing an oath of defiance and Revenge which Nurgle answers, casting the Space Wolves onto the planet as Drauger-like Plague Wolves.

@krosak5633 10 месяцев назад

To be fair many legions could be Khorne's dogs. White scars, Space Wolves, Blood Angels... Khorne can choose 😄

@oldmanbread1826 10 месяцев назад

a video on how pre heresy primarchs would rule the imperium if they were put into guilliman's situation would be great

@chocolatecaake_ 10 месяцев назад

Fulhrim would be interesting since he's ego and obsession with perfection is going to cause alotta issues

@Noorthia 10 месяцев назад

why is he avoiding this damn video

@aninvertedlavalamp6078 10 месяцев назад

@@Noorthiabecause he already made a video for someone else’s comment so maybe he doesn’t wanna bend over for every single suggestion

@mystermothman3092 10 месяцев назад

It continues

@internetuser320 10 месяцев назад

You are very resillient

@TheReverendDown 10 месяцев назад

I think it would be extremely fitting if both rylanor and fulgrim hold off whilst horus and conrad retreat with their legions. Instead of rylanors last stand in cannon it would be the emperors children, primarch and sons loyal to the end to protect the emperor

@adrienwatson2179 10 месяцев назад

Man.... What a missed opportunity. Rylanor nuking everyone in vengeance for his fathers death? Daaaaaaaaammmmmmnnn

@lUseMyBlade 10 месяцев назад

"I choose to make my stand go Rylanor preserve the memory of the ancient go with my brothers forces GO NOW!!" "Father, there is no other place in the galaxy for me to die than by your side" "I am a proud child of the emperor and I am honored to be your son"

@juliane.mfarias9285 7 месяцев назад

@@adrienwatson2179 "I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host and a Proud Son of Fulgrim the Phoenixian, beloved by ALL. I choose my last stand and death NOW AND ALWAYS!" Said Rylanor, before using the Virus Bomb in the ruins of the Emperor's Pride against the traitors.

@climax050 10 месяцев назад

Lorgar and Konrad getting their act together and becoming good is actually wild in any setting, and a lot more interesting than them being what they are in canon

@notimportant2605 10 месяцев назад

I love the idea of Magnus leading the Grey Knights, feels rather ironic and fitting at the same time.

@JIMT412 10 месяцев назад

He couldn't save his first borns, but he will be there for his younglings

@SeraphimRoad 10 месяцев назад

He still can if the Emperor reclaims his soul from Tzeech.

@cobytang 9 месяцев назад

@@SeraphimRoad Don't bring up TTS. It is just sad everytime I think about the show.

@samuelsalvatore4511 10 месяцев назад

magnus being given the grey knights is honestly a pretty badass detail even if it is unthinkable inside the boundaries of the established lore it would also save the grey knights from the shackles of the inquisition, as they had a real leader that was far above them, like the other astartes chapters.

@alexandremenard3833 10 месяцев назад

The Emperor litteraly propose that to Magnus in the established lore.

@scorpiowarrior7841 5 месяцев назад

Also with malcador alive, the inquistion would be less....asburd. It's likely Malcador would guide the inquistors from the shadows and prevent the order from becoming too zealous.

@ShadowFri3nd Месяц назад

@@scorpiowarrior7841the inquisition on this timeline would be found by Lorgar instead of Dorn and with Marcador and Lorgar alive, it would be less wacky and way more effective than canon.

@irishspartanstudios 10 месяцев назад

How pre-heresy primarchs would run the Imperium in Guilliman's sted is a quite popular suggestion down here.

@lordvyse8882 10 месяцев назад

I double this.

@discipleofdagon8195 10 месяцев назад

Perturabo would be so brutally efficient that orks would probably be concerned "Are da 'umies ok? Da Boyz ain't smilin after a foight no more..."

@TheRealMycanthrope 10 месяцев назад

*tedious suggestion FTFY

@irishspartanstudios 10 месяцев назад

@@TheRealMycanthrope Did I ask you?

@discipleofdagon8195 10 месяцев назад

@@TheRealMycanthrope uh oh the comment police are here

@petrchodil4140 10 месяцев назад

What an amazing alternative timeline, legit had goosebumps while watching this video since my personal rankings of the primarchs would basically be flipped upside down

@sytronty6577 10 месяцев назад

This shit is better than the Horus Heresy, I especially liked what happened to the Fists

@benjamintim3542 10 месяцев назад

I don't like it. The Lion is too cool of a Primarch to turn traitor. Simple as. The Horus Heresy in canon is decent enough writing for me. Dornian Heresy is my favorite alt history

@MrRunnerkl 10 месяцев назад

@@sytronty6577b😊😊

@MrRunnerkl 10 месяцев назад

😊😊😊😊😊

@suicasu3514 9 месяцев назад

@@benjamintim3542But that's the thing, he is not a traitor. He was misled by the false prophecy and the action he took were out of (misled) loyalty.

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 10 месяцев назад

There's so many alternative heresies now in fanfiction, like Halloween costumes in Buffy fanfic it's its own genre by now. Personally I like the ones where we get a mix of Traitors and Loyalists. Not just a reversal. Or the ones where the Heresy did not happen. Imperium Ascendant!

@andrewzhu5394 10 месяцев назад

Ngl, Imperium Ascendant made me impressed

@justinweber4977 10 месяцев назад

I did like the premise of "The Imperial Heresy" though.

@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium 10 месяцев назад

@justinweber4977 could you please explain the gist of the imperial heresy for me?

@justinweber4977 10 месяцев назад

@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium The tl;Dr version is basically that the Emperor makes a huge pivot and decides to ascend to become a full Warp God, sacrificing countless lives and probably the Primarchs too Primarchs rebel en masse against the Emperor to stop him.

@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium 10 месяцев назад

@@justinweber4977 ah thank you

@Ereldor 10 месяцев назад

Words cannot describe how much I want what you described as Erebus's fate in this to actually be canon.

@IronClique 4 месяца назад

Burning for all eternity. Honestly it's too good for him.

@realjmferguson_ 10 месяцев назад

You ought to look into the “Fulgrimian” Heresy next, it’s well developed, far more Primarchs remain loyal than traitor (Morti, Horus, Perturabo remain loyal while the Khan and Manus go traitor).

@40kanon 10 месяцев назад

Haven't heard of this one, got any links?

@e.k.meador8806 8 месяцев назад

Is the actual title the "Fulgrimian Heresy"? I think that "The Phoenician Heresy" sounds way better

@keikei2942 10 месяцев назад

An alternate universe where the Black Templars are a Word Bearer successor chapter and they use the flaming body of Erebeus as a unit standard would be badass af😊

@lewishorsman2219 10 месяцев назад

We need a part 2 to this. It’s great that an alternative heresy leads to a lot more living and loyal primarchs who are active. Guilliman won’t stand a chance.

@undercovertakodachi4301 9 месяцев назад

that is interesting, I say It would still be a match If the Chaos gods Give him Full Support and not half assing him, with Insane Management, logistics and Organization skill, a man who can turn Legions Into champions against The Imperium.

@anthony2678 8 месяцев назад

Seeing as in this scenario he represents Chaos Undivided, it'd be pretty cool to see how Guilliman would perform if his abilities are used against the Imperium. He's not driven mad, or signing an obligation to spill as much blood as possible, so as he's arguably the best Primarch when it comes to organised warfare, I think he could be a much bigger problem for the Imperium than the Black Legion ended up being

@JackOfAllMages 10 месяцев назад

16:50 I love the one lone guardsman standing amongst the Primarchs. Glad he's still loyal.

@csmrookie9600 10 месяцев назад

That means Ollanius Pius didn’t get slammed and instead lives! Meaning, we could see even more adventures with him- as he makes his way through fighting with each imperial guard regiment; inspiring legends of an unknown soldier who comes from no regiment, but without fail; aids the imperial guard in losing wars, showing a level of skill compared to or even above a commissar, perhaps even at the level of an astartes. . While only armed with the everyday lasgun and dressed in only the dirtiest of flak armor. . . Defeating hordes of foes with just these items, and commanding those who were at the brink of destruction to *Hold The Line.*

@discipleofdagon8195 10 месяцев назад

@@csmrookie9600 Well thing is he's no ordinary man... Ollanius *Persson* has been with Big E since he grew to adulthood many millennia ago when they were both a couple of proto-hittites that happened to be perpetuals. When the emperor met Erda, they together went on adventures with their newly formed army with Ollanius being referred to by the emperor as... *His warmaster* Yes, Ollanius Pious is technically the original warmaster of the emperor.

@csmrookie9600 10 месяцев назад

@lukeBryen2 Fair, but I argue he does not need to be a living saint with him as a perpetual, since it brings forth a cool storyline of him appearing before the emperor himself and instead filling the role of the average soldier. We could probably even see him on the other side of this spectrum, as he may be recruited by Rogal Dorn to fight for him, since he always fought on the losing side of a war at most times.

@ultramarinescaptain3840 9 месяцев назад

@@csmrookie9600But at the same time, him gaining a Living Saint ability may grant him powers he never had as a normal Perpetual. He could appear on any world, at any time, helping any war, rather than being held down by needing to physically go somewhere. Oh also, and I didn't see the Guardsmen as Ollanius Pious, but as Ollanius Piers, a Guardsmen who stood alone against Angron and even tried to kill him. What clued me in was the Banner he holds, and wearing Imperial Army gear. This Ollanius is the one who says "Defend him as he defends us!" Just my own interpretation. Edit: Pierce to Piers. OH and the gun is actually one to one with Piers gun, Ol Betsy.

@csmrookie9600 8 месяцев назад

@@ultramarinescaptain3840 I see. Though anyways, as a living saint I bet he wouldn't have angel wings but came in a flash of golden light and draped in golden guardsman armor. From there you can see him display his absolute killy power from fighting as a soldier of many wars and armies. . . Displaying a level of skill that is equal to the Black Lucifers or even Custodians.

@eurasiacentertutorials9518 10 месяцев назад

Honestly Mortarians stance in this makes a lot of sense and would make sense in canon. Also dark Guilliman is amazing looking

@thatonekriegguardsmen6140 10 месяцев назад

I think a video on the first founding chapters and the relationships with there successors would be cool

@milkydude3100 10 месяцев назад

A great video on chapter foundings got made by Baldermort, just called chapter foundings 👌, great story to go with it too

@ao1778 10 месяцев назад

@@milkydude3100baldy is way too tryhard, imo... but I do enjoy his videos in moderation

@milkydude3100 10 месяцев назад

@@ao1778 everyone has their tastes 😊 just trying to share some cool videos

@I-am-Alpharius 10 месяцев назад

Well said brothers😊

@lordvyse8882 10 месяцев назад

Also love this.

@RawDogAnAeldari 10 месяцев назад

What if the worst alternate heresy is when nobody turns traitor and things get even worse than any one warmaster could ever do. Like the golden throne is completed and it just lets the chaos Pantheon step into real space.

@ezonplays2260 10 месяцев назад

I don't think the chaos pantheons can go to real space in their entirety, as they are tied to the warp.

@RawDogAnAeldari 10 месяцев назад

@@ezonplays2260 i know, I was just thinking of a big heckin doozy to explain my concept. Probably for the best they cant cross over because GW would have to do some dragon ball z level stuff just to keep it from being an instant game over.

@lupiniii6868 10 месяцев назад

Emperor doesn’t have Ultra Instinct?

@thetravellerx5676 10 месяцев назад

There was a version where the Emperor completed the webway project, only for him too late to realize that he's acting according to Chaos' grand plan and unintentionally unleashed Chaos Undivided all over Terra - The Emperor and his Custodes would be corrupted, but all his sons scattered throughout the galaxy, would remain Loyalists.

@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium 10 месяцев назад

@@thetravellerx5676thats actually a terrifying thought

@gcools 10 месяцев назад

The idea of Luther being loyal to the emperor is so cool. He would probably be the main leader for the loyalist rebels in this version of the Istvaan 3 atrocity. But I bet he would escape, make it back to terra and then he will get the title of the emperor's champion that Sigismund had in canon.

@mrckapm2241 10 месяцев назад

A video on Lorgar actually dying from Corvus and theorizing how the Heresy would go afterwards would be very interesting. I see it as a victory for the Loyalists where the Emperor never gets stuck on the Golden Throne. There would be no Daemon Prince Angron, potentially no Ruinstorm, and a less devastating Shadow Crusade

@peterthepeter7523 10 месяцев назад

But couldn't Erebus and Kor Phaeron do the same thing especially if the Dark Gods chose them as their go-to sorcerers?

@thetravellerx5676 10 месяцев назад

@@peterthepeter7523 Both of them lacked Lorgar's gift of overwhelming charisma.

@mrckapm2241 10 месяцев назад

@@peterthepeter7523 In theory sure. Hence why I said "potentially" no Ruinstorm. I sure as crap don't see either of them turning Angron into a Daemon Prince but Erebus would still probably try to make Kharn the Champion of Khorne. The Word Bearers Legion I feel would also end up split like it became post-Heresy in canon as both Kor Phaeron and Erebus try to overtake the other for control of the Legion

@anthony2678 8 месяцев назад

The big problem with the Loyalists winning and more specifically the Emperor not ending up on the Throne, is that the Emperor can finish the Webway Project and humanity likely never forms the Ecclesiarchy, and also technology likely doesn't suffer nearly as bad. So in other words, humanity wins 40k, at least until the Tyranids arrive. But even then, the Emperor could possibly see the Tyranids coming, and begin to prepare for them thousands of years in advance

@mrckapm2241 8 месяцев назад

@@anthony2678The Reason the Emperor dedicated his Custodians and Sisters of Silence to the Battle of the Webway for as long as he did was in the slight chance he could salvage it and repair the damage. The reason he then chose to withdraw his forces from it was due to him realizing that it was no longer possible to repair the Webway damage. What a Noblebright setting there could have been

@Dasacht095 10 месяцев назад

I feel like there could be a very heartfelt scene in this where chaos and khorne attempt to turn angron after ultramar, saying his father does not love him. Only for angron's reply to be that he knows, he hates his father. But his love of his brothers far outshines his hatred of his father. And while he would betray his father. He would never betray a brother

@punec 10 месяцев назад

Man I think I love this version of the heresy a lot more than the real one. I especially love Lorgar(for frying Erebus and carrying him around) and Dorn(for always wearing his gimp suit and going doom slayer on everyone - honestly he sounds a lot more likeable here :D). An Idea for Dorn is he could embrace Malal/Malice since he has that renegade thing going on - hating everyone and trying to kill everyone, especially the chaos gods. Also the black and white thing and the thorns also kinda works with Dorn and the Imperial fists in this heresy. I love it!

@user-xw5xo3bv1n 10 месяцев назад

Check Leonine Heresy.

@discipleofdagon8195 10 месяцев назад

@@user-xw5xo3bv1n There's a lot of heresies now isn't there

@user-xw5xo3bv1n 10 месяцев назад

@@discipleofdagon8195 Sure. I can right now remember besides Robautian, Leonine and Dornian at least four more. Cyclopean (Magnus did something wrong), Sanguinary (Angel fallen, obviously), Lorgar's Discovery (nuts, Angron ended up on the side of... eldar) and from russian 40K community Rebellion of Horus (with Horus actually being AU Magnus and not a traitor at all, Imperium split on three factions - loyalist, chaos, Imperium Secundus). UPD: Also Fulgrimean.

@punec 10 месяцев назад

@@user-xw5xo3bv1n I like the Icarion Heresy a lot. But it's with 18 different legions and primarchs. Really cool ones tho - like an aztec looking legion that falls to chaos or a legion that specialises in underwater and void battles or legions of blanks who nullify psychic powers. Really cool stuff but sadly they aren't as fleshed out.

@noname-do5wo 10 месяцев назад

I am really surprised to see the Khan join Nurgal but honestly it makes the most sense, it would be the closest for him and how sons could ever get to freedom, a benevolent master is better that tyrannical one

@thetravellerx5676 10 месяцев назад

It would severely nerf his Chapter though. White Scars like to go fast, Nurgle's armies tend to be more on the slow but tanky side.

@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium 10 месяцев назад

@@thetravellerx5676maybe itd be like the best of both worlds

@r.connor9280 10 месяцев назад

A Plague spreads fast as the wind The Festering Scars ravage the world below

@avatarwan3021 10 месяцев назад

@@thetravellerx5676 yeah, it'd probably the best of both worlds, which would make it even more awesome. imagine speedy White Scars but with tankiness buff, spreading plague and corruption as they went.

@koetimoep 10 месяцев назад

No the closest match for him would be Khorne. Nurgle is literally anathema to the Khan and the White Scar philosophy, which is why he was squared off against his exact opposite Mortarion in the Horus Heresy.

@justinweber4977 10 месяцев назад

I've always wanted to see a "Volcanic Heresy" that puts, you guessed it, Vulkan as the arch traitor.

@Notokdario 10 месяцев назад

He has the anger of khorne, the kindness of Nurgle, the mind of Tzeentch and the sensitivity of slaneesh, he has weapons capable of breaking Terra in half, he doesn't need his brothers, but he gives them all a chance to join them, but if they don't, there is no mercy.

@justinweber4977 10 месяцев назад

@@Notokdario Truly, the most terrifying brother to fall to Chaos Undivided.

@trimeerious4349 10 месяцев назад

Getting a video about pre heresy primarchs and how they would react to ruling over the imperium as guilliman did as imperial regent would be pretty cool

@chestnut4860 10 месяцев назад

Curze: You allready know....

@swordboy5477 10 месяцев назад

Just got into 40k and decided Dark Angels were my favorite legion. Now you hit me with this! Emperor be praised

@jonathan6401 10 месяцев назад

How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be s cool video idea

@amargwari2431 10 месяцев назад

Bro is the definition of perseverance

@mcarrowtime7095 10 месяцев назад

@@amargwari2431 there are three of these comments in the first three hours. that's more than perseverance, that's popularity.

@Hask5555 6 месяцев назад

Why i feel like if Vulkan ever became traitor his plans would be like: "Guys i got an idea, when its night, we put uncofortable pillows in the imperium's citiziens houses, so they will always wake up in a bad mood, eventually joining us against the Emperor"

@purplebeepboy1161 18 дней назад

It would be funny but I think vulkan is gonna be a chaos undivided deamon because he is the only reason the traitor even have cool weapons and will probably not even be evil just got turn into a dragon deamon

@ltdowney 10 месяцев назад

I wish Guilliman wasn’t really glanced over. He’s probably the most steadfastly loyal Primarch after the Lion in actual canon. Like, his whole schtick post-resurrection is that he’ll never give up no matter how bad things get. I feel like it’d take some seriously convoluted plotting to get him to fall. That said, I love this alternate take on Fulgrim in particular, going out like an absolute Chad on Isstvan, holding the line as the rearguard. It honestly sounds better than Ferrus’ own canonical plot-line, which is kinda funny/sad.

@starhammer5247 10 месяцев назад

Guilliman's role, according to the original artist, is to take the place of Abaddon.

@Darkxarcher 2 месяца назад

@@starhammer5247except like abbadon x100 that specialized in Eu4

@starhammer5247 2 месяца назад

@@Darkxarcher An Abaddon that knows how to use Excel.

@FELLCHARONGAMES 10 месяцев назад

I find it a bit if a stretch that Fateweaver would provide such accurate details of the future and that the Lion would put so much “faith” in visions from the same creatures he’d spent his life hunting and defeating, having been incorruptible all this time.

@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium 10 месяцев назад

I totally see where your coming from with that but otherwise its a pretty well constructed alt history

@adrienwatson2179 10 месяцев назад

Sometimes Kairos doesnt even know what time it is.

@FELLCHARONGAMES 10 месяцев назад

@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium for sure. If you can look past Fateweaver and the Lion all of a sudden working together with Daemons, the rest has some plausibility.

@koetimoep 10 месяцев назад

@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium Aside from the Khan part, it is quite well constructed.

@The_Keeper 10 месяцев назад

Lets be honest, we've all seen dumber things happen, and for dumber reasons, in *canon* lore...

@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194 10 месяцев назад

Rogal Dorn is such a tragic character in this timeline but at least he can still be redeemed.

@Warstafang 10 месяцев назад

Guilliman as Warmaster launching Black Crusades from the Eye of Terror. This would actually make 10k years of conflict interesting.

@rexlumontad5644 10 месяцев назад

So basically in every alternate Heresy, any Primarch who's chosen to be the Warmaster ends up falling to Chaos and become the Arch-Traitor against the Imperium.

@gotem123 10 месяцев назад

Crazy how that work's innit

@ganonsoify 10 месяцев назад

Not in the Roboutian Heresy where Horus is still Warmaster and loyal

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 10 месяцев назад

Only the Warmaster has the ability to marshall forces and deploy them in such a way to even give the Heresy a chance, by putting his own forces in the best possible places and the loyalists in the worst.

@zephgm 14 дней назад

In the Dornian heresy too, which I quite like, Horus is still warmaster, but Dorn is the one who ends up falling to chaos because, yep, you guessed it, the pain glove sends him fucking batty.

@joshp3720 10 месяцев назад

Not often a fan of alternative versions however this has been very well presented. I like it

@Ofiotaurus 10 месяцев назад

Wow. Insanely detailed with an actually good ending that makes sense (unlike some others).

@samuelmitchell1700 10 месяцев назад

This interpritation of the white scars falling to nurgle for the "endless hunt" is the best one ive seen of all the alternate hereseys, never understood why it was sangy and ferus in the others.

@triborg5013 10 месяцев назад

I honestly really love how Mortarion was in this version of the heresy. He seems more like that of fleshed out character and a relatable one at that. You did an amazing Job at making each Primarch extremely believable and compelling. This is my favorite alternative heresy ever.

@cdg196 10 месяцев назад

Seeing a loyal Abaddon would be interesting.

@discipleofdagon8195 10 месяцев назад

Probably would be somewhere between Sigismund and Sevatar personality wise.

@Darksmirk1 10 месяцев назад

Alternative universe had me cheer, gasp, and shed a tear. Just an awesome lore change. I hope you do more, taking place now, post heresy. That would be greatness!!

@T-h-a-t_G-u-y 10 месяцев назад

Of course major would call his own fan story the ultimate story.

@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 10 месяцев назад

Because it is.

@generic_sauce 10 месяцев назад

Love these alternative heresy stories! Also, these artworks are incredible!

@rexlumontad5644 10 месяцев назад

Lion'el Heresy: *exists* Fans of "Duty is its own reward" Lion: "THIS IS NOT FOOKING CANON!"

@irishspartanstudios 10 месяцев назад

0:00 Intro 1:06 Advertisment 2:04 Intro 2 2:17 Warmaster 4:09 Illuminator 5:31 Justiciarius 6:17 Blackest Knight 7:09 Heir of Khorne 7:54 Rune King & Yule of Prospero 9:31 The Fallen Vigilant 10:53 Sons-in-Darkness 11:16 A Massacre & Paths to Hell 12:17 The Emperor's Children 12:38 Plaguehawk 12:56 Prince of Rebirth 14:16 A Galaxy Alight 14:32 The Abomination 14:51 Eldar & Bane of Khaine 15:16 Incandescent Crusade 15:42 Battle of Pluto 15:50 War Within The Webway 15:57 Knights of Magnus 16:33 Siege of Terra & Lord Dreadnought 17:30 Dawn Breaks 18:17 Battle of Eternity Gate 18:48 The Reward 19:19 Imperium Eterna

@samwalsh9042 10 месяцев назад

Make this a series of lots more events that could happen would be pretty sick

@indrys7719 10 месяцев назад

I’m now very interested in making a chaos ultramarine army, with traitor Guilleman at the helm

@swakage13x 8 месяцев назад

Whether it is the lion or Is the primarch of the Imperial fists This story is actually better than what we got in cannon, But the beauty of how the warp connects to Different universes Players can build their own versions of these It's just making sure that the rules line up for the Minis. Plus iron hands primarch being blessed by nurgle is hilarious and awesome, the khan falling to tzeencth, sangunius falling to either slanesh or khorne makes way to much sense, and russ falling to khorne makes perfect sense.

@normandexter8550 10 месяцев назад

After speaking on Wes and his recent burnout, I think this video is the impetus for an entire string of videos in a new category. This theory alone, could have an entire playlist going through each individual Primarch's story as it would shift based on this alternative heresy. A 20 to 30 minute video explaining every single change in the lore from the beginning of the heresy to the end of it for each individual Primarch sounds like an incredible amount of content you could create. It would also be a great opportunity to collaborate with Baldy and Wes to boost all of your channels.

@boartank 10 месяцев назад

Loyalist Lorgar and noble bright Horus. Unthinkable. Perturabo with resources and support losing. Beyond unthinkable. Or a little bit considering Roboute's fleet and logistics and the Lion's war mastery.

@ongboklichan 10 месяцев назад

Yea, I'd buy every book associated with this version of the Heresy. I find it highly interesting. Your artist's renditions of each flipped Primarch is amazing too.

@grimlock5208 10 месяцев назад

All of these Artworks are so incredibly amazing, especially the Loyalists, their new designs are awesome

@thomaschitham3487 10 месяцев назад

I'd love to get a detailed rundown of Dan Abett's alternative Heresies proposal. I only know brief summaries of Angron, Magnus, and Alpharius. Apparently Dan also discussed Dorn and Guilliman Heresies, and allegedly he described the popular fanworks, the Dornian Heresy and the Roboute Heresy, almost to a T. Having that info would be a good video to have.

@Chris_Tootoo 6 месяцев назад

The writers are cowards for not using the lions last name for the Heresy’s title like the others. The Johnson Heresy will forever be in my heart and mind.

@edsheeranahmet6572 10 месяцев назад

This is really nice! I know you've talked about the difficulties of lore channels and having to find more and more creative ways to make vids, but this is really high quality. Thank you for everything over the years!

@andrewmcaleer6279 10 месяцев назад

This was really great man. Tons of cool details. Must have taken a decent amount of time to flesh out. Appreciate the work.

@invictakaizeros7821 10 месяцев назад

While I do prefer alternative heresies ending worse for the loyalists as it reinforces cannon choices, this is a really good scenario that I can't help but love

@alexandremenard3833 10 месяцев назад

I don't know what happens next because it's my first jump into the Lionel Heresy, but having a chaos Guilliman as Warmaster of Chaos in the current timeline feels way more dangerous than anything else.

@theKarateRedbelt 10 месяцев назад

Dark Angels and Alpha Legion having an entire arc just to confuse Dorn is something I didn't know I needed. Plus, Vulkan becoming demonic because of Eldar intervention is very on brand

@ethanh5252 10 месяцев назад

I found multiple elements of this alternative Heresy to be incredibly well crafted. I’d love to see future videos flushing it out. Great work majorkill!

@neeyshananbalagan907 10 месяцев назад

this was amazing, i get that it would be tough to give us more but hopefully we could get another video about this. Keep up the amazing work.

@rexlumontad5644 10 месяцев назад

14:59 Roboutian Heresy Vulkan became a Colossal Black Dragon similarly like Ancalagon from The Silmarillion.

@dueinuremom5082 10 месяцев назад

Imagine if vulkan and angron had their planets switched. Angry boy gets to grow up not being tortured and forced to fight and the massive, immortal, huggable vulkan gets the nails and becomes a bigger and tougher probably more effective murder machine.

@lordbalthosadinferni4384 10 месяцев назад

I think this was really well put-together. Nicely done!

@KnightsWithoutATable 10 месяцев назад

Malcador living is a serious boon to the Imperium. He knew what the long term plans were of Big E and how to achieve them. He also would have been able to manage the rulership of the Imperium such that a lot of things didn't take place that caused problems for the Imperium later on.

@yora740 10 месяцев назад

To even suggest that the lion would be a traitor is the blackest heresy... after all, loyalty is its own reward

@monkeykingyo6359 10 месяцев назад

What's scarier about G-Man being warmaster is that it wouldn't have taken him 13 black crusades to destroy Cadia, maybe 3 at most. And Sanguinius being banished instead of permakilled is way worse than every time Angron came out to wreck stuff

@kreigwolf6809 5 месяцев назад

Fulgrim becoming a Living Saint is something I didn't know I needed until now. Hopefully that means Rylanor is still a Badass looking to avenge Fulgrim instead of kill him. I need that story.

@m4cho900 10 месяцев назад

This was by far one of my favorite videos you've ever made brotha!

@connorcowan7606 10 месяцев назад

Could we get a full break down of this? I could happily listen to Majorkill discuss this alternate timeline for hours

@jaketheberge1970 10 месяцев назад

Erebus suffering for all time? 10/10 best timeline.

@inductivegrunt94 10 месяцев назад

Loyalist Lorgar is the best Lorgar ever! Konrad finally finding peace within him and becoming the ultimate judge jury and executioner is so cool and welcome. And I really like Tzeentch Space Wolves, that is super cool! Especially with what it would do to Mortarion. Nurgle Khan is really interesting too. And Magnus being the Primarch of the Grey Knights is so awesome! And the last stand of Fulgrim and him becoming a Living Saint is the most beautiful end for him possible. All in all, this was a super cool AU that I really enjoy a lot.

@JTruong3rd Месяц назад

Probablty one of the few fan ficts where Perturabo came out better than just usually dying in them.

@Archon3960 10 месяцев назад

I'd call the Red Rage the Scarlet Rage, but aside from that, this was a baller script. Kudos to paint_newb for writing it. ;)

@csmrookie9600 10 месяцев назад

Indeed, otherwise Khorne is going to eat them up like they’re ice cream sandwiches.

@Archon3960 10 месяцев назад

@@csmrookie9600 That was... the worst thing your could've ever replied. ;/

@skellers1979 10 месяцев назад

I think it would be great if you were to turn this heresy into a fully fledged series. I’d love to hear about everything in this setting.

@roccaraso1771 10 месяцев назад

Man this was fire, loved the video, must say best one in a while, would love to hear more of this scenario

@Garf696 8 месяцев назад

This 'what if' scenario is absolutely fascinating. I'd love to see more of these going through what would have happened if different Primarchs were made Warmaster. Mind blown 🤯

@The.Kenway 10 месяцев назад

This was cool, I personally believe the Lionel Heresy would have been the most devastating out of Horus or Dornian. Solid effort & it leads to the events of 40K but I believe at best the Lionel Heresy ends in failure but kills more loyalists and deals severely more damage while at worst it has the best chance at killing the Emperor & would still take a lot but could actually do it

@fadelsukoco3092 10 месяцев назад

Been waiting for someone to cover this for some time. Also, one question I really want answered from this timeline is what would the equivalent of the Primaris be? Would the Raptor project actually be successful at restoring the Loyalist legions down the line, with people like Fabius and Malcador spearheading the research and it being under the protection from the Thousand Sons to prevent any Chaos interference? If successful and the Imperium being stabilized after a while, would the Imperium be capable of eventually continuing the Great Crusade at a slower pace?

@OneReallyGrumpyJill 10 месяцев назад

okay, the idea of good Lorgar setting Erebus on fire forever is kinda badass

@Zackd0220 8 месяцев назад

This was a awesome video on what could have happened. And not just a role reversal but clear changes that would have happened due to the switch of sides and taking each primarch attributes and personality into effect. Your channel is one of the main reasons i am huge into the universe. Id love to see your thoughts on what the 40k universe would look like if the heresy was put down before the the flames of traitors really started or your thoughts on what the current setting would be like if the heresy did not take place at all.

@falconnobleman5672 10 месяцев назад

I fee like Chaos Guilliman, would be a nightmare for the Imperium to deal with more so than the cannon heresy

@Darkxarcher 2 месяца назад

Well for starters he has Ultramar. Also, it would be more organized and definitely more efficient

@jacktacca8013 10 месяцев назад

Its done ive done it my crusade is over...

@stephenbarrett8861 10 месяцев назад

Happy for you dude.

@jacktacca8013 10 месяцев назад

@stephenbarrett8861 thank you

@blacktemplarchaplainmarius42 10 месяцев назад

You've done your part brother. Now rest.

@jacktacca8013 10 месяцев назад

@@blacktemplarchaplainmarius42 I shall for now.

@MineTurtleLover565 10 месяцев назад

This is incredible! Truly A+ amazing work Majorkill! Keep it up!

@graylight9157 10 месяцев назад

Yoooooo I love paint newb dude. Been following him for like a year! This is so dope!

@SpaceMan377 10 месяцев назад

The way Mortarion reflected on his own hatred and decided to tone it down souded very interesting imo, certainly ads a little more depth to. Edit: to him. I thought about finishing the sentence and then for some reason didn't.

@TheDeadPoolfan 10 месяцев назад

Can you do a video about the Feast of Blades?

@Whitepandemic 10 месяцев назад

this video was amazing! also the art work was badass

@guineapigsith699 6 месяцев назад

Stunning art, great ideas, really nicely executed. I'd love to see it expanded upon.

@hercules2342 10 месяцев назад

Can we get a Halo vs 40K universe Would love to hear what you think about the 40K universe fighting the covenant or flood. And who do you think is scarier the flood or the tyranids?

@IntrusiveThoughts838 10 месяцев назад

The flood, easy especially when you know the lore of them. They make nurgle’s chaos corruption a much better choice compared to being infected by the flood

@gotem123 10 месяцев назад

I've been wonderin what a Flood Vs Nids battle would look like

@starhammer5247 10 месяцев назад

@@gotem123 Very one-sided in favour of the Flood if the Tyrranids don't bomb the planets they find them on from orbit.

@gotem123 10 месяцев назад

@@starhammer5247 Most likely, yeah. I wonder what a flood/tyranid bioform would look like, with the Hivemind/Gravemind of both species vying for control of the monster.

@starhammer5247 10 месяцев назад

@@gotem123 It would be a fight, but the Gravemind is much, *much* older than the Tyrranids.

@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 10 месяцев назад

Imagine a Vulkan Heresy.

@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 10 месяцев назад

@@petercaballero8059 the saddest heresy 😢.

@vojtechpeterka1929 10 месяцев назад

I fucking love this! We need more of this. Few months ago I kept looking for some Loin Heresy videos and FINALLY there is one!

@murrayfish6901 10 месяцев назад

This is really well done and very well thought out. Would love to see a fuller version down on paper (pixels?) exploring some of the plots and subplots touched on here.

@davidschaufus7856 10 месяцев назад

this was great i like your logic on each step you should make a longer series like this continuing on i would eat it all up as what if

@matThaHatter 10 месяцев назад

Bro, loved it loved it loved it! I'm a suckered for alternate history, and this one was dope (despite your Lion biaslol)!

@ecreacher3515 10 месяцев назад

I definitely would enjoy a full bore run of this. All of it fits and is fun! Great job 👏 as always. Love the moves Lorgar and Vulkan would make. Definitely would breath life into more benign characters that are just kind of there.

@Sam_Smith1987 10 месяцев назад

Love it. Love all these alternative Heresies, but this is my fave. The G Man and Fulgrim bits especially.

@sasanahadian2859 10 месяцев назад

Thrilling video as always @majorkill. Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc? Would greatly appreciate it