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The Lizzie Borden Podcast - Episode Three: A Lizzie Borden Primer Part 1

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Episode Three of The Lizzie Borden Podcast begins A Lizzie Borden Primer, a three-part series that will present the life and times of Lizzie Borden. This episode is an exceptionally good starting part for anyone who has no more knowledge of Lizzie Borden and the Borden Murders than what they have heard in the notorious jump rope jingle. This episode covers the founding of Fall River, Lizzie Borden's childhood, and the strange events leading up to the murders on August 4, 1892.
Guest:
Sarah Miller
Sarah Miller is the author of two historical fiction novels, Miss Spitfire: Reaching Helen Keller, which was called “an accomplished debut” in a starred review from Booklist and was named an ALA-ALSC Notable Children’s Book, and The Lost Crown, about the Romanovs, hailed as “fascinating” in a starred review from Kirkus Reviews and named an ALA-YALSA Best Book for Young Adults. The Borden Murders: Lizzie Borden & The Trial of the Century is her first non-fiction book and has been hailed by Kirkus and the New York Times as a perfectly concise and lively historical account of the Borden Murders of 1892.
Visit www.sarahmiller... for more information.
Credits:
Producer: Nine Muses Books
Engineer: Mason Amadeus
Writer/Director: Richard Behrens
Music: Melora Creager
Cartoons: Chip Cooper
Richard Behrens is the author of the Lizzie Borden Girl Detective mystery series and the co-founder of Nine Muses Books. More information can be found at www.lizzieborde...
Melora Creager is an American cellist, singer-songwriter, performing artist and founder of the cello rock group Rasputina.
Mason Amadeus is an on-air personality for 103.7 KNE-FM and Sunny 97.7. In his spare time he makes music and short films with his friend Tucker. You can find them at
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Mason runs an independent sound design group in Keene: Amadeus Imaging. They offer reasonable rates for high-quality studio recording of voice and music, commissioned music from professional studio musicians, as well as sound design and effects for theater and radio.
Contact them at MWasher@WKNE.com
Chip Cooper is the creator of cartoons, caricatures, fine art, and illustrated essays on topics as diverse as history, biography, science, mathematics, philosophy, and good citizenship
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@annalisette5897 3 года назад

Concerning the stomach illness the Bordens had suffered, Mrs. Borden suspected milk or store bought bread. In those days, both milk and bread were notoriously adulterated with various substances including chalk. What was consumed from the bakery, according to some sources, was a "cream cake". I picture something like what we in the west call Boston cream pie, sponge cake layers with custard filling between layers. In the 1890's, most likely the cream layer would have been an egg custard, notorious for causing food poisoning before refrigeration. As late as the 1970's, Danish bakeries in Solvang, Calafornia clearly cautioned customers about buying creamy pastries and leaving them, unrefrigerated in hot cars, for fear of food poisoning. Also considering the fear of poison or disaster, in reported conversations between Mrs. Borden and Dr. Bowen as well as Lizzie and Alice Russell, the fear of harm was ascribed to forces outside the home. Mrs. Borden feared the milk -- delivered to the doorstep early in the morning, I think from the Swansea farm -- could have been tampered with and she also feared baker's bread. (There had been a heat wave the week before so perhaps they did no home baking and instead had purchased store bought bread?) Lizzie, in her conversation with Alice, stated a fear of outsiders who hated her father. If Mrs. Borden feared harm from within, I would not expect her to voice her suspicions but would think she might have been vague about her fears. Instead she specifically mentioned bread and milk. The other mention of poison in this case is the pharmacist's information about, supposedly Lizzie, attempting to buy prussic acid to stop bugs in a seal skin cape and that seal skin is not prone to damage from bugs. There are a number of problems with the story, including that the pharmacist was taken to see Lizzie who was pointed out to him as he was asked if she was the woman. Modern police use photo montages to avoid suggestibility and mistakes as much as possible. Further, some sources say the prussic acid was sought for the "edges" of a seal skin cape. Surely the edges and lining of such a cape would have been wool or silk or something similar which would have been vulnerable to bugs. Much has been made of seal skin being impervious to bugs. Maybe so but I'd bet clothes moths would have enjoyed the lining. Prussic acid is volatile and I have no idea why it would be sought as an insecticide but other cyanide preparations were possibly more available at the time. I believe potassium cyanide was used in photographic development. I do not know to what extent cyanide preparations may have been known and used at that time but perhaps seeking prussic acid for bugs is not too far fetched. However that is, I tend to believe Lizzie did not attempt to buy the substance. Some sources indicate there was kind of a sting operation going on at the time to see if pharmacists would break new laws about dangerous substances and that perhaps another female had attempted to buy the poison.

@sarahholland2600 Год назад

I've always read that there were 3 witnesses plus the Pharmacist, who saw her attempt to buy poison. An historian who wrote a book on Lizzie's trial said that prussic acid was generally used to clean metal back then. ( Planning to clean the weapon afterward ?). Also Lizzie floated a murder scenario to a friend the night before saying she had a feeling something bad was going to happen because her father's stern approach to business meant he was not popular...Setting the scene much ? Lizzie had motive & opportunity. The doors were locked. Uncle John had an airtight alibi. The maid was seen cleaning the outside windows & chatting with next doors maid when Abby died at approx 9.30 ( they went off the fact her blood was already congealed & her stomach contents were digested) & was unwell in her attic bedroom when Andrew died. Lizzie had mentioned the maid should check out a fabric sale ( trying to get rid of her?) but the maid declined & went to her room. The maid also placed Lizzie on the landing laughing at the maid struggling to unlock the door to Andrew at 10.45am. if you stand on the landing you would be able to see straight into the Guest Room ...where Abbys body was. Lizzie wore the coat found folded under Andrews destroyed head. Or, there were 2 rubberised, wipe clean , hooded raincoats in the home. Back then they were called rain gossamers. She used the flat iron she ironed her hankies with while Andrew started his nap. The bloody rags in a cellar pail were not menstrual , they were the clean up rags.

@juliashearer7842 Год назад

Interesting points

@madamesalamander16 Год назад

I felt the mutton story had to be erroneous, as I have never seen an account where John complained of illness. He had the mutton for breakfast on Thursday morning as well. Interesting stuff!

@47280 Год назад

Very informative.

@LyonsArcade Год назад

Believe it or not, I have a safe locked in my house, and the key is in plain view in another part of the house the thought being if somebody breaks in, they won’t be able to find the key even though it’s laying in plain sight. This doesn’t really strike me as that strange. However if I were trying to keep someone in the house from getting in the safe, of course, I would not do that.

@sarahholland2600 18 дней назад

That invalidates your Home Insurance. It also assumes any thief isnt going to thoroughly scan each room for cash, tech & jewellery left out , notice the key & see what the key fits.

@paranormalsoulcircle3176 4 года назад

Who knows if she did all I know is that there was strange goings on in that house.... people getting sick there was two brake inns one in the house and barn lizzie worried about the safety of their father.....

@michaelplummer395 Год назад

Random House CHILDRENS Books??

@sarah4601 5 лет назад

I believe the maid Maggie knew what was going on. Abby and Andrew were killed 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours apart. The maid was cleaning windows then laid down for a nap. She had to hear a person getting hacked to death. Or see something. I’ve read the court transcripts and there was more going on. Andrew had a illigitimate son that he tried to pay off but the son wanted more money and a man was seen pacing in front of house the day f murder. Also Andrew gained some of his real estate by collecting debts ( homes) from people that had family members die and couldn’t afford to pay for his services and then couldn’t make monthly payments.

@sarahholland2600 2 года назад

The week before, a row over Andrew gifting money & a house to Abbys relative got so bad , Lizzie & Emma left the home for 3 days. On their return Lizzie told friends they were still on bad terms & avoiding Andrew & Abby by staying in their rooms. Lizzie had motive & opportunity. The front door was locked. Uncle John had an airtight alibi. Lizzie , in the barn , "eating pears , looking out the window" would have seen anyone sneaking in the locked back door. They found no footprints in the very dusty barn . The maid was seen by next doors maid , when cleaning the exterior windows ( so had an alibi for Abby's murder) then went to her attic bedroom at 10.50am, still nauseous with a stomach bug. She heard the town clock strike 11am , & 5-10mins later, Lizzie shouted that her father was dead. Lizzie wore the coat folded under Andrews head to do the murders. Crime scene photo shows the sofa had cushions. It was a boiling hot day, Andrew wore a waistcoat & jacket, he wouldn't have needed a coat for his trip out: & why use your coat for a cushion when there are 2 cushions already there ?

@williamberven-ph5ig 10 месяцев назад

Bridget not hearing Andrew's murder is explainable. When you consider the home layout, Bridget's room was at the far end of the house and 2 floors up. Hacking to death a sleeping man wouldn't create much noise anyway.

@jerrydrouillard 2 года назад

Why a voice identification? Why not a visual indentification? Also there were a large number of Bordens in Fall River.

@ShampooWow 8 лет назад

*_Awesome video! I like it_*

@willmccormick947 7 лет назад

This is (obviously) complete speculation on my part but regarding the mutton was any of it curried mutton perhaps? I ask because the Sherlock Holmes story "The Adventure of Silver Blaze" features a plot point and discussion of how curried mutton can disguise the taste of a poisoning that would otherwise be noticeable in blander food. Holmes stories were very popular on both sides of the Atlantic and as "Silver Blaze" was published in July of 1892, a month before the murders it may have been freshly read and could "inspire" poisoning in real life. Silver Blaze, which features the plight of a missing race horse, also would be memorable to animal-loving Lizzie. Of course, it doesn't square with the illness beginning with the fish the day before, but as Holmes was the most popular fiction of the day, and new stories gobbled up by the public as they came out, the idea of disguising poison within curried mutton would be an "available option" fresh in the mind of someone planning murder. Certainly Lizzie (and Emma?) could fake their illness if a poisoning proved insufficient to kill their father and step-mom. All just random guesswork, of course, but that's what shows like this are for to some degree, besides establishing the hard facts. A good listen. Thanks. And good luck with your Lizzie Borden detective series. I'm a writer of short mystery fiction myself with some stories in Ellery Queen Mystery Magazine, Alfred Hitchcock Mystery Magazine, and others. Love a good mystery, so I'll be sure to check out your work and listen to more podcasts.

@Witchy1976 6 лет назад

You're talking too much

@beverlyblakemore7693 3 года назад

They were talking about Lizzy's prospects for marriage. There's no evidence that there were any prospects and yet by many accounts she was a an attractive young woman- just not having enough money and not living in the right place for the well-heeled to find. I would also add that you may have exposed the reason yourselves when you spoke of how many Borden's we're living in Fall River at the time- how many different families were there- and then when one realizes how many of the well-heeled were her own relatives, it then becomes more clear perhaps why she was not dating or married

@sarahholland2600 18 дней назад

She wasnt wealthy enough for truly wealthy 'old money' suitors but was too wealthy for anyone averagely comfortable. In social history terms that is when the middle class evolved as a demographic. Before that it was v much the wealthy & the poor, with no inbetween: like Andrew.

@patriciaspadea2266 3 года назад

Lizzie made up story of, Abby got a note. Even if you can't find note, a sick friend would have come forward? Only guilty person would make up that!? Enjoy the podcasts 🧡♥️..I tend to believe uncle John might have advised Lizzie. Lol

@patriciaspadea2266 3 года назад

I think there were some closets in front hall, dining room, top of stairs and possibly one by sitting room window..💰💲💰💲💴💵💰

@Grandmomnance1939 3 года назад

What does this comment even mean? Do you mean you think there was money in all of those 4 closets? Money was not kept there. The Borden’s money was kept in Andrew’s room and in the bank.

@annalisette5897 3 года назад

There is a good, clear picture of a closet at the bottom of the staircase, a coat closet, which Lizzie's defense offered as a possible hiding place for an assassin. I think that is far fetched and I assume they did too but it was the Dream Team of 1893. At the top of the stairs, back toward the front of the house, sharing a wall, and I think door, with the guest bedroom, was the girls' "clothes press". That is reportedly where they kept their dresses. (Lizzie's seal skin cape however was hung in a closet in the spare room on the third floor.) Today the "clothes press" room is a bathroom since 92 Second Street has been turned into a B & B. I do not know about other closets except for something like that in the kitchen near the wood stove. This is from which it has been suggested Lizzie took the dress that she burned. There are some descriptions of this closet & the coal hod therein, in police reports. There are a lot of good blueprints of the house. Interesting to me is that there is NO indication that ANYONE, including Bridget who was instructed to wash all windows, inside and out, EVER entered the parlour on that fatal day. I personally believe Lizzie did not commit murder. Apparently the original comment was referring to money in closets? As per the other reply, there would not have been money and valuables in any closets. However, there are at least rumours that Uncle John Morse may have been involved in some horse trading and may have gotten a sum of money around the relevant time. He stayed in the guest room where Mrs. Borden was killed. In a precise study of the case, a problem with believing in an intruder is found in the way the house was built. There were no hallways. It wasn't like a prowler could go from room to room and see what he could find. The upstairs front, containing Lizzie and Emma's bedrooms and the guest room was not easily connected to the rest of the house. The side screen door seems to have been unlocked during the time Bridget was outside talking with her friend and then washing windows. Had a stranger entered this door, he would have had to wend his way through the dining room, sitting room, front entry and upstairs to get to the room where Mrs. Borden was killed. Had he gone up the back stairs he would have found the parents' room locked and Bridget's room above that on the third floor. I have wondered if such an intruder would just drift upstairs, reasoning that valuables might be kept in bedrooms? That seems unlikely. So, since I do not believe Lizzie committed murder, I would think of an intruder who knew the house. Perhaps someone looking for John V. Morse or someone thinking he left money in his room? Maybe. Or not.

@patriciaspadea2266 2 года назад

I'm back 🤣 I commented on hiding places for murderer...I must have hit money key in error...

@trottingfox. 7 лет назад

It was all about the house....It did not have any hall's. the room's were connected without.

@patriciaspadea2266 3 года назад

You don't hear a hacking on a person...I don't think...you only hear a butcher chopping up meat because of chopping through to table♥️a body no🙂I think it would be Quiet, but a mess. Ewwww ☮️

@sarahholland2600 2 года назад

Agree. But Abby was a large woman. She'd have hit the floor with a good thump: she had a bruised nose & forehead which was attributed to the first blow knocking her face down to the floor. All the h blows were to the back & side of her head with one missing & landing on her neck.

@heatherigreja9120 Год назад

Sara had a infection in her spine and that is how she died

@krisweaver7524 Год назад

I hate to sound like a 1930's gangster, but I think she caught a bum rap. It's possible she knows who did it without participating herself. Of course she was there. Nobody is disputing that. My money is on the uncle, and Lizzie remained silent.

@Witchy1976 6 лет назад

Is it me, or does this guy sound like Seth Rogen?

@Sotzume 7 лет назад

Why does everyone seem to accept Alice Russell as completely reliable...?

@jaymesguy239 5 лет назад

Because she had been Lizzie's friend and was known as an honest woman and her testimony held up and made sense and did not make her look very good, as she had previously hidden that piece of circumstantial evidence, so she had nothing to gain by giving it. In any event, her testimony didn't end up doing much for the prosecution, everybody clearly didn't think she was completely reliable.

@jaymesguy239 3 года назад

Because her friends seem to have been just what they probably were; not too smart, yet loyal friends, who had consciences which finally kicked in and led them to tell the authorities what their consciences were telling them without having to admit it: they're friend was a double parricide.

@annalisette5897 3 года назад

I believe what she said was reliable but I do not think much of her as a person. MUCH later, in the next century, I think after Lizzie had died, Alice gave an interview wherein she said Lizzie had killed her parents for money. I think Alice was a gossip and extremely disloyal. After all that time, Lizzie had been acquitted in court and had lived a life in which she used her wealth to help the community, many individuals, children and animals. IMO, Alice should have simply shut up and if she didn't have anything good to say, she should have said nothing!

@Billygoatsgrruff Год назад

@@annalisette5897 you are completely naive. First of all, Alice knew Lizzie; you didn't. Secondly, who cares what she did afterwards. It means nothing. It's all an act as far as I'm concerned, doing all these good deeds to try fool people who just simply couldn't be fooled. She got the precious house on the hill she always wanted, after killing her poor father, who worked hard for everything he had, and have every right to be tight with money instead of being a spend thrift. They lived well, and humbly enough for rich people. Lizzie was never satisfied and treated poor old Abby like garbage. The woman who tried her best to be a mother to these girls, and all they did was isolate her. Why was she fearful of Lizzie? She begged the maid to stay even paying her her own money when Brigette wanted out. Who knows what those entitled cows put her through, yet dummies today side with someone they probably wouldn't want to know if they were around then. Spoiled rotten cow killed those people, but you and others are too stupid to see it. Guaranteed, if Lizzie had been a man, no one would doubt her guilt. In fact, they even try pinning it on the Uncle, simply because he was a male even though HE WAS NOT THERE!