Could you show us more of these? There’s so many mysteries about this masterpiece of a game and planets are one of the biggest things that have gotten makeovers or have been removed
It seems to me like the fortress was designed with a similar mindset to levels in Sunshine & 64, but as they switched to the level design of the original game, elements & concepts from the level were split off into other galaxies, eventually leaving Buoy Base as the only part of the fort to remain in the same level.
This would be cool to see someone actually try to mod this level back to its “working” state. If I knew more I’d honestly do it but sadly I’m not that skilled. Regardless, this is super cool to see. Thank you for sharing and keep up the amazing work.
“I’m not that skilled” = “I’m lazy” Everyone starts somewhere. Talent alone can only take you so far if you don’t hone it. The person that remodelled and hacked into this didn’t necessarily start out reconstructing things like this well and right the first time around and there’s a lot of practice it took to get to this stage that you don’t see. I’m not that skilled at computer coding because it doesn’t come naturally to me, nor can I be bothered. I could learn and refine it if I wanted to, but I choose not to because it doesn’t interest or benefit me otherwise. It doesn’t mean I’m inherently unable to learn to become better because I’m currently “unskilled”.
Due to megaleg being at the bottom I wonder if the first Bowser Jr level was originally supposed to be much longer. Or maybe this was before megaleg was a grand star boss.
Super Mario Galaxy: The Lost Levels. Also, I thought that the Star in the skybox for the star ship was a secret level. Anyone else wonder about that star...?
This definitely looks like it'd be a CLASSIC stage that I would've marveled at with my little kid eyes. Seeing stuff like this makes me want a Galaxy 3 so we can really explore more grand planets like this
Perhaps you could recreate it with assets and stuff and make some custom assets perhaps it could be added and played ingame with the mining place and perhaps a recolored and slightly different version of the boss to replicate the crab beta boss
I wonder if the reason why the concept art showed cables connecting the yellow platform to the roof was because in this very early level design, they planned to have you become electricity and ride the wire, an idea that then turned up in Odyssey? Would explain why the platform had electricity symbols all over it too, not the mention the "antenna" looks kind've like the pylons in Odyssey!
Very late response but that's exactly what I was thinking too! And I'm honestly surprised it wasn't speculated on in the video itself given the wires and symbols. Reusing scrapped ideas in different forms is something Nintendo devs talk about a lot with their big series. It wouldn't be surprising for them to have come up with the idea for this, then remember it during Odyssey's development and see how it was a perfect fit for the capture mechanic. It doesn't make much sense in the context of Galaxy's mechanics but it still would have been very interesting
Did someone know if exist a way To play super mario galaxy 1 and 2 with one hand? Because i'm a one handed player since I start playing coleco and super mario bros 1, 2 and 3 on nes.. please tell me! And mario sunshine can I play it in other way that the GameCube... because the controller sticks for a one handed player. ♡♡♡♡ Nintendo Nes, snes n64, game boy, game boy color, gba sp, all ds games, some wii games I can play and ALLELUIA for the switch!
My theory is that Starman Fort was a possible design for the hub world. Rosalina would live in the castle, the toads on the disk, the rocket would be how Mario would travel, and I think the moons are just for the aesthetic. The big stars would be where grand stars would go. With all the power stars you collect, you gradually restore power to it and get more materials to upgrade the rocket.
That awfully reminds me of whomps fortress from 64 even though they brought it back as throwback galaxy. Also fun fact: megaleg’s original name was sniffit bot. Why I mentioned this is because he was on the bottom of the fort even though you already mentioned it.
When I first saw this place I imagined an epic Mickey type game but with beta Nintendo stuff including Concept Rosalina, Beta Peach’s Castle and More. It would have also been explored by Mario, Link and more in order to stop these lost things from conquering their worlds.
Yo imagine if this was in Odyssey 2. Looks big enough to be a small kingdom. Like a mix between Lost Kingdom and Dragons keep in terms of size Like a small mid stage gap between kingdoms
I have an idea for a video: Can you pass the story of Sonic in Sonic Adventure without moving forward or backward? rules: -you can move sideways -you can recommend the analogue a little upwards to look forward (also backwards) extra challenge: -passes the history of Knuckles (Sorry for my english)
Hey I know not too long ago I made a comment giving you some c+c telling you about how sometimes you talk a little too fast and it can be hard to understand you at times. Uh, I honestly don't remember if I commented on a relatively old video at the time. If I did, then oops. Anyway I just wanted to say that I've noticed you've slowed down to enunciate things more. And it's going really well! I also have a hard time slowing my speech down and getting too ahead of myself sometimes so I understand the struggle. :P
This level seems really amazing. The castle in general might've given inspiration for the castle on Rosalina's home planet, a.k.a. Gateway Galaxy. The side-planet that isn't a moon feels like either a secret star accessed through a hungry luma or a starting planet with a launch star. The landing pad could've had Captain Toad's ship land there during missions. I feel like this level could have fit into the game really well as maybe a Bedroom galaxy, and it's a true shame that it was removed from the final release. If I were an expert modder, I might recreate this level in my vision, but unfortunately I'm not.
That's so cool! The fact that you guys were able to piece it back together is so amazing! It's too bad that the beta Megaleg doesn't appear or function...
My theory for this level is that it once served as Bowser’s Airship Building World. Where it built his warships he needed for his galactic armada. Kinda like Kuat Drive Yards from Star Wars. However, at some point the ship yards were decommissioned by Bowser and his troops as it became too old and rusty. Often damaging itself due to its machinery being old and not as stable as it once was. Which led to it decaying with time, slowly corroding and withering itself away to the elements. Bowser’s abandonment of the ship construction yard also could be what led to it becoming what it is now. An old galaxy that is only used by Bowser for mining it’s resources for his empire. Which could probably explain the conversion part of what Swanky stated. Where it was turned into a mining facility operated by Boss Crab and other minions. Where the old cranes that were once used for Air Ship construction were converted into pulleys for bringing up materials mined by Boss Crab and the minions. But that’s just my opinion on the possible history of the forgotten level. If anyone has anything to say about this, please do share your thoughts on this! I’d love to read them! ^^ P.s the landing pad I think was probably for completed ships to be placed on or for returning ships to land. Hope this makes sense!
This is probably one of the best Mario games I have ever played. I have so many memories with my dad just playing this as a young child. It almost makes me tear up thinking about it. ily dad :)
Swanky, do you think some day modders will be able to restore star man fortress to it's former glory? I mean I think there is a chance for that to happen, as the games get older, modders become more skilled, maybe one day you, I and everyone else will get to experience starman fortress in all its Glory. Don't you think so?
@@alexpiatt1282 I mean look at sm64, we got fricking Odyssey, sunshine, 3d land and many others with new mechanics and power ups. Starman fortress is far from being completely lost to time, someday modders will revive this massive stage and bring it to the glory it deserves, the glory the devs wanted it to be, the legacy of Super Mario Galaxy as a whole, the stage that started it all.
I am a modder of SMG and i can say that is totally possible to restor the model with the other assets. (Exept for megaleg). The model object is totally 100% possible to change, but the assets (like trees) no. The console would run out of memory and freezes the game
I have a theory. This was the first level they were working on right? What if Galaxy was originally going to have a similar structure to Sunshine and 64 and have 6 actual missions versus 3 and some extras per stage? But later on they decided to structure it to how it is now. The problem now lies the level is too massive. So instead of trying to make it fit with the more smaller levels, they scrapped it in favor of Bouy Base Galaxy. The structure looks like it'd fit more with 64 with it's wide open endedness. Just my thoughts. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
It is really cool that something so massive and fun could’ve been in the game. Space junk galaxy could’ve been a collection of stars for Starman fort, and the fort could’ve had a mega leg returns portion (based on the diagram). I would’ve loved to explore it’s many secrets, and I hope it is a bonus level in the remastering of Mario galaxy for Mario’s 35th anniversary (if the rumors are true).
I knew about this lost level from some deleted video from 4 years ago. that video also said something about a lost lava galaxy in smg2. To what i understand melty monster galaxy was a replacement for it
I would love to see someone make a level based on this and the concept art. Based on its size (and variety) I imagine it being a hub world, and it may have even eventually evolved into Rosalina's starship.
It would be cool to make a mod of this game that adds this Galaxy in as a fully-fledged level, that would be epic Maybe I’ll try to get into Mario Galaxy modding but this seems difficult to build, would be awesome tho
The whole level makes me think of many other pieces of levels. The level is like Whomp Fortress or Throwback Galaxy, with the structure to escalate to the top. The big pipes are like the really big ones of Sunshine where Mario enters entierely, with loading zones on the bottom. The mushrooms seems to have an old look too, also like those of Sunshine or 64. The electrical cables used to move could look that the electrical cables from Odyssey, that you use to travel once transformed into electricity. And I guess what remains is Buoy Base, with its cannons, water... The level itself looks amazing, I'd love to play it if it existed.
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I wonder, if any of the designers for the game watched this video of their original plan being recreated, would their hearts be warmed that someone put it back together? I know mine is
Seeing Megaleg in the bottom of this level makes me think that this could've been a SICK boss level I mean, Megaleg's actual boss level lasts for like, *_one whole minute,_* so this would've been a huge improvement
Christopher Moon this might have been his original appearance or at least the earliest appearance we know of so far. His name might have been sniffit bot if this level was completed. It also reminds me of diggaleg which was used for galaxy 2, why it does is that diggaleg drills and digs stuff. In the book it mentioned that there were resource excavations. Maybe megalegs or sniffit bots real role was resource excavation.
These kinds of things are what get me into creating fangames of my own. I love to see what the creators never used, and I want to see and somehow implement it into my own works. I especially love Super Mario Galaxy, and if I had any game knowledge at all, I would use it to create my fangame idea: Super Mario Hyperspace. It's a fangame that's essentially SMG3, but it's Galaxy-themed space and planet exploration with Odyssey physics, a new foe and all this other story stuffs I haven't entirely planned out. Mario goes on an adventure with Cappy through all kinds of planets.... Of course, if I could make it a reality, I'd hunt for hours through unused levels in Mario games--especially ones like this. And I'd design or redesign or change them to match things. But I can't...
the concept art for the fortress looks kinda like the wooded kingdom from odyssey. If the devs were such big fans of starman fort, maybe they used it as inspiration?
i could imagine this being a restored level in the rumored mario galaxy remake/remaster in the mario collection. maybe like an end-of-game thing or accessible through other means.
I would imagine that the pipe on the Roof was a way to get into the interior section of the facility and would resemble deep dark Galaxy's bookshelf design, but also be endowed with more moving parts like a crane, some mine carts, and peppered with some enemies that would include a boss fight. A fortress that large seems to suggest there was a whole other area to explore. Perhaps if they decide to create a Mario Galaxy for the Switch, that could be the opportunity to resurrect the lost fortress as a new location.
Theory: What if, since many assets are shared, Space Junk Galaxy is actually Starman Fortress, but destroyed and scattered throughout the mission, much like the actual level itself?
