The Loud Absence: Where is God Amidst Suffering and Evil? | John Lennox at Stanford 

You must love deluded nonsense!

@@GeoCoppens You obviously haven't listened to a word he said.

@@timconstable7348 Same story from beginning to end.

GeoCoppens how’d you know 🤪

The Quran : Surah 3. « Al-Imran » (« The Family of Imran ») 84. Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." 85. And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. Surah 4. « An-Nisa » (« The Women ») 136. O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray. Surah 21. « Al-Anbiya » (« The Prophets ») : 30. Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 31. And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided. 32. And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away. 33. And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. 34. And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die - would they be eternal? 35. Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. . . 104. The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it. Surah 51. « Adh-Dhariyat » (« The Wind that Scatter ») : 47. And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. 48. And the earth We have spread out, and excellent is the preparer. 49. And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember. 50. So flee to Allah. Indeed, I am to you from Him a clear warner. 51. And do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity. Indeed, I am to you from Him a clear warner. Faith, life, and Jesus Christ in the Quran: drive.google.com/file/d/1mpGv1QBm7b1GmbqwcNdYn9rZVi2jUufG/view The Quran: drive.google.com/file/d/18wPGuwFtwNpMgjMmv8LrhY4wcdbEGigS/view

not really, he just makes stuff up that you like to hear, get him to demonstrate god, that would be useful.

​@@HarryNicNicholas demonstrate for us Please !

@@HarryNicNicholas God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction

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Except maybe Peter Atkins

really? that inane monotony of BS?

yes he has so many people hypnotised into thinking that the sky daddy is real.

@@HarryNicNicholasmeanwhile you and others will believe that all of reality came from nothing, no cause or reason. And somehow “life” formed from a molten rock. It takes more faith to be an atheist.

​@@HarryNicNicholas What a cunning way to portray Lennox as a liar without saying so. Reminiscent of the serpent in the creation story: Did God really say that...? ?

Ouio

Bless you and your son. So sorry you’re both going through this. I hope God continues to comfort you and guides you both in His love.

I am so sorry you are going through this time of deep difficulty and suffering - both you and your beloved son.

I too am in pain - from a Road Traffic Accident in 1985 - and I believed God would take this pain away: But I've come to know that God doesn't work that way any longer KJV 2 Tim 4:20. Your son and I will suffer until the day we go to be with the Lord; but we both need help, comfort and assurance from our loved ones as I am sure you are giving. In future times we will look back and think this was but for a moment Rom chapter 8. Many blessings.

God help us bear the pain that does not seem to go away...

Amen to that!

Haha! Exactly! He's like the Irish grandpa you never knew you wanted

not really, he's an idiot - his talent is apparently being able to fool people who want to be fooled.

Stanford has been destroyed by the left. An example of toxic secularism.

I'm very impressed with your open-mindedness. A lot of people on either side are so close-minded to any other ideas. Try listening to Frank Turek. He's really good and answers a lot of really, really difficult questions that are unique and not the usual things you'd hear.

@@Joshua-ev9uw Thank's for your kind words and recommendation about Frank.

Me, too. Do you know of Kristyn Getty of the married Christian-singer duo Keith & Kristyn Getty (e.g., 'In Christ Alone', 'There Is A Higher Throne', etc.)? Well, Kristyn's maiden name is Lennox. Guess who her uncle is? (Yes, really.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qLy8ksqGf9w.html

Christians are not required to think. Indeed, thinking is considered quite bad for your "faith".

You could not be a christian if you were personally instructed by old josh hisself

Check out Frank Turek if you haven't. He communicated very well on a level you can understand and answers a lot of unique, but very difficult questions.

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God and organized religion are not the same thing.

Somebody said god and organized religion are not the same thing. That just shows that this god can only suggest conduct but not command. He does not even stir kindness in the hearts of his "believers". Like god, like believers. Get out of that church! And, try to find people who are kind and willing to help, unlike the hypocrites who are a copy of their useless god.

I’m sorry to hear this happened. Let’s all look up to our future hope, Jesus Christ. We all sin and fall short of Glory. The lord is not like us and we trust him no people. May the lord our God help our heart to love and help our sisters and brothers.

Job got taken for a ride, Dude. That wasn't nice of the big guy.

Sadly obviously not.

@@vhawk1951kl I hope you watched the entire talk and not just post a comment and run.

And the dead Jesus didn't care.

@@schmetterling4477 when Jesus was on the cross he was asked by a thief “Remember me when u come into your Kingdom.” Jesus said “This day u will be with me in Paradise.”

You mean he is threatening to torture you for eternity, first, and then expects you to beg for forgiveness? Give me a break, kid. That's what an abusive relationship looks like. :-)

That’s a good verse. Thank you for that

Not your best thought then? 🤗😜🤔🤣

I have zero interest in debate. As an old man, and a new convert to Christianity, it’s my humble conclusion that God is not highly interested in seeing His adopted children experience much happiness here on planet earth. Of course, that’s after only a cursory study of the lives of His followers in both Old and New Testaments.

@@joewright9879 your wrong, don't worry, it's not a debate anymore. We figured it out while you were out being converted... Thanks though. Appreciate the call back

Wow, the amount of mental gymnastics you put yourself through to convince yourself that God 1. Exists and 2. allows suffering for a good reason yet is still all loving is quite scary. You should be in a mental asylum ahahahaha.

If god truly is all powerful though, surely he could accomplish his goals in such a way as to inflict zero suffering on the innocent as well as achieve his desired result. It seems odd to me that a perfectly morale being would say "sure there are other ways I could do this, but who cares if people suffer as a byproduct". Why intentionally cause suffering and then blame the people you made suffer for it. I just cant square that with all loving, omnipotent, perfectly morale God.

Come see me.

No .

That's based on an emotional appeal.

Greater Epistemology do you think there is a rational answer to the problem of evil from a Christian perspective?. I think from the atheists perspective we do have very credible reasons as to why there is so much terrible suffering in the world, whether it be natural disasters, wars, famines, or illness. We have very good answers as opposed to John Lennox clutching at straws and admitting that it's a huge problem for Christianity to answer.

bonnie43uk Writings on skeptical Theism.

Greater Epistemology ? Can you elaborate?

bonnie43uk Skeptical Theism. That's the position I'd take given evil. There's many writings on it.