Hopefully parents show this scene to all young kids growing up. One little decision and a little bit of trust can end your life. It's sad that parents should even have to do this, but unfortunately this is the world we live in.
Exactly i myself am just a kid kinda lol but one thing my parents warned me about was the sick people out there and the world we live in dont trust anyone
Me being very shy at that age, I would have just kept walking after turning him down the first time, when he said “ok, no problem.” Then when he said how hard he worked on it and all the kids would love it, I would have probably said “That’s nice, but I really got to be getting home.” I also liked to please my parents, so getting home on time would have been a priority to me at the time.
It was soo heartbreaking watching Suzie realize she made a huge mistake. Poor dear was so uncomfortable when she saw he had loose screws and her life was in danger
Brandy Yolidio Agree. And if you have or heard of the book version of this movie, Mr. Harvey didn't just trap her in there. He raped and killed her from the book's point of view. It's more gruesome and the book has more details into it rather than the movie.
@@daughter0fdarkness658 yah, the whole book was a 1st person POV narration. Sorry for being vague. What I meant to say was that Suzie was very graphic/detailed when she was narrating the rape.
Just like looking for a needle in a haystack, you never know where they are until it's too late. Not just men, but women too apparently. Though I'll admit that I still find it rather difficult to process that women are just as capable of such depravity as men are. Especially given the fact that the media focusses on more so on male child molesters and sexual predators, than their female counterparts (if there are any).
When I was about 11 years old I had a similar experience with a man I thought I knew. Every day when i was walking to school there was a man who lived on the next block from me who had 2 dogs. One day the dogs were at the front gate so i stopped and petted them. This man came to me and started talking to me, asking me if I like dogs etc. We got talking and never thought anything strange. This guy must have figured out what time I would be on my way to school and was always at the gate waving to me. After awhile I was comfortable with this man and his dogs. This particular day he said one of his dogs had puppies and I should take a look. "You will love them" he told me. I was young and wasn't aware that this person could be dangerous. I went into his house and he sat me down. He said he would get one of the puppies but came into the room with drinks and sat next to me. He was asking me questions like if I had any brothers or sisters and said "i bet they aren't as cute as you" and "we are friends" and put his hand on my shoulder. My heart dropped and I realized this man wasn't normal. I told him I had to go to school and he said it doesn't matter he will cover for me. I was so frightened I didn't know what to do. The post man knocked on his door and when he answered it I bolted out of the door as fast as I could home. My mum called the police and this guy was arrested for having child pornography. I was so lucky, anything could have happened to me. I will never forget his face. The scene in this movie was scarier than any horror movie with monsters and creatures. This is real life and people have really gone through this. It's a terrifying world. Trust no one.
@@reneeflores4841 yeah I was a stupid kid. So unaware and naive. When I was younger you didn't really hear about stuff like missing kids or pedophilia, it wasn't circulated like it is now. Fortunately online access to news like that allows younger people to be more aware but also an easier link to kids for perverts and twisted individuals. Like I said it's a dangerous world and people need to be careful! You never think it would happen to you until it does.
When he touched her that really broke the illusion, any doubt she had, woke her up. Until then I think she was wondering and kind of pitying him for being strange.
Exactly. I'm disgusted to see how many people victim blame Susie. Kids, especially girls, are always punished and scolded for not "being polite" or "disrespecting" their elders. She was doing what all kids did then: go out of her way to be nice to a friend of her parents'.
Not to mention, the movie takes place in the 70s. Kids then were definitely not taught as much about stranger danger because people were more trusting and there wasn't much awareness of child molestation/murder.
When I was a kid in middle school there was a man, in my hometown, that paid kids to come to his house.(do odd jobs like clean, mow the lawn ect).. He even managed a couple KFC restaurants and was a clown. Turned out this man's name was John Wayne Gacy.... It was Waterloo, Iowa before he had moved to the Chicago area and began his serial killings. My Dad was a cop and I remember him telling me and my brother, after asking him if we might go and make some money like the other kids,..... NO my Dad told us...plenty of work for us boys on the farm...."besides, the guy probably has a thing for kids". THANK YOU DAD !!!
It gives me goosebumps knowing you were close to John fucking wayne ! I do so much studying on serial killers and his was creepy! So glad your dad stopped ya
More evidence the past does not need to be romanticized. Kids were brainwashed to think all adults are owed your obedience and you're not allowed to say no, no matter how uncomfortable they make you. Thank God kids are seen a little more as human beings with autonomy today. Advice to parents: do not teach your kid politeness is more important than their safety then get mad when they're overly accommodating to strangers!
I was born in 1968. My parents taught me to never walk alone anywhere. Never go into the homes of others. Never stop and talk to adults, not even adults that my parents knew. All the kids I knew were taught this. No one told us to be polite to adults. Our parents told us to be polite to them only.
Harvestar thank you!!! I tried stating this and someone thought I was sick in the head. It’s a tactic many abusers use: you need to obey and listen to me because I am older. I was molested as a child but my parents blame me for everything
I think what gets to me the most is that the director has scenes of her family preparing the everyday dinner and everything is all good. But, this time they spent at the table was when their daughter was minutes away from her death. It’s of coarse not the parents fault, but how it shows two different occurrences that are just heart aching
I know it's just a movie but I think most parents would have called if their son/daughter didn't make it home and go out looking for them, before they ate dinner. Idk, it was a different time I guess
@@sen.m7832 not where I lived, when I was a kid I ran around everywhere and my parents often didn't even know where I was, it was actually pretty normal to just hang around outside the whole day with other kids.
What's scary is how he's able to come off as a harmless, friendly, neighborly man. He's a twisted psychopath that's able to not only act normal, but gain trust. Scary how there's real people like that, people could know them for years and have no idea they're actually evil and twisted.
I can't remember what number he was but I just remember having mr. harvey on a list I made once of top 10 scariest film characters along with others such as captain vidal from pans labyrinth, rorschach from watchmen etc.
1:46 Look at the background: It's colourful, warm and sunny on the right where Susie's standing, but dark and desaturated on the left. This difference in color & saturation is also prevalent in the two characters' clothing, adding to their distinct poses and movements. Furthermore, to me it seems that the remains of the corn field they're standing on look a bit smoother on the right while retaining their irregularities on the left, making it appear a little more unsettling. If all of this was actually intended by the director/the film crew, hats off.
That's a great observation and I see it as well. Not to mention how true blue her eyes were down there, unless they are like that all the time. Natural or not, it shows her innocence and fear. It got dark sooo fast when she was dealing with that predator.
My film studies teacher always asks us, "Do they always think about this stuff?" and our obvious answer to that is "yes". Filmmakers are so good with details, well, the majority of good ones, at least!
I don't believe that it was intentional. Within the first minute there were a couple of shots where it was the other way around - the sun shone on Mr. Harvey and the colours were desaturated when focused on Susie. It's just the result of different shots being taken at alternating angles within short time intervals so the sunlight isn't consistent in transition when going from each frame. I also don't really see how it adds to their 'poses'.
Valuvris I also find that they did a great job with the camera angles when they’re in his basement, they always shot her up close showing that she’s trapped and has no way of escaping and the camera aiming down on her showing she feels intimidated and scared while they shot further away shots and the camera aiming up at Mr Harvey to show he’s the more superior and stronger character in this scene and that he’s won this battle against her, really sells the scene.
@Sharon Jensen Yeah after doing a little research I saw that Stanley Tucci hated playing Mr Harvey can hate the character all we want but he outdid himself in this performance
Listen to your guy instincts too. Most of us have them and she did before she got into this hellhole. Had She had just listened to them and ran home as fast as she could, things would have been different :-( She was hesitant and declined at first..she should have hung onto that and ran for her life. I can't tell you how many times as a child I had a creep like that pull up in a car, asking me to hop in or cruising round schools etc or even on public transport back in the day , train conductors closing all the doors on my friend and I and then trying to chat us up (we were 12 and 13 - he was early 20's). I grabbed my friend and got off at the next stop. My gut instinct kicked in. Who knows what he would have done to us on an empty carriage with no adults in sight?? Even as a young woman, same sort of shit. I ended up taking self defense classes to feel safer. But because we lived in a not so great area and molestations were occurring, we had police come to our school and educate us on "Stranger danger" and showed a similar video to this where a young man was pulled into a van after the driver asked him for directions (had that tried on me too). All of the techniques we were taught have stuck with me well into adulthood. I thank God for them coming to our school when we were very young.
Original story she was raped before she was murdered. I think they made a good decision not to film the scene of Susie's rape. It would be harder to watch.
So many people say "this is why you never talk to strangers" He wasn't exactly a stranger. He was their neighbour, and she'd met him and been around him before. It's not about strangers, anyone can do this, stranger or someone you know well, so trust your gut, if you feel somethings off, listen to it. You could see Susie was hesitant, and that is where you go "nope!" and run.
Right thats something I learned too. like oh so not just strangers can kidnap you but people you know can kidnap you too and when i think about it thats true. someone you know can also kidnap and Rape you I seen this movie 5 days ago she should have just went with her Gut and went home like she said, Until he started minuplating her. and she went in but her gut was telling her “ NO DON’T DO IT” But she was just so naive and he smiled and laughed like “ I finally got her” This movie was Really sad and its sad how all those young females got taken away from their families,🥺 now their families are mourning and suffering in pain , this is why you can’t be naive and trust everybody it’ll get you hurt. Rest peacefully To all those girls🥺🙏🏽.
Susie’s fate was sealed the minute she got close enough for him to tell her about the “clubhouse.” He went through too much effort to build that underground room to not go through with his plan. Especially considering he was a serial child killer. If she didn’t go willingly, he’d have forced her down there. He wouldn’t risk her telling her parents after she turned him down. Parents: “why are you late?” Susie: “Uh, I ran into Mr. Harvey. He said he built a secret clubhouse and he asked me to take a look, but I said no.” ANY parent would have seen a red flag and called the police. Pick your kids up from their after school activities.
Nowadays they would, but back in the 1970s it was the societal norm to be polite and outgoing towards others. That goes doubly true of seemingly friendly familiar people such as Mr Harvey. Homicides only recently started increasing in the mid 1970s so law enforcement was behind the 8-ball on serial killer cases. Contrast that to today where it is common sense to sacrifice politeness for safety.
@@spectre9065 Are you white? I’m not, and I was a little kid in the 70’s. Safety over politeness was my community’s societal norm. I didn’t grow up in the ghetto either. Non white communities were far less trusting and naive than white ones because of how we were treated in society. My parents would have phoned the police.
@Asyria JaRae He wasn't going to kill her with father across the house. Plus I think he did feel bad for that father when he saw him depressed. He was giving the stare thinking he did the wrong thing and then walked away and said "I'm sry." But he said to much and and added on the "I can't help you" He closed his eyes in shame was the father was attacking the door but what he did couldn't be undone.
Exactly! Growing up my dad always picked me up from school to drive me home. Even in highschool where I was old enough to take the bus. I'm 23 now and finished school but he still comes to drive me and pick me up from wherever. I asked him why he was so anxious. And he told me that because of the city we leave in he knows that there's alot of bad people around the city. Hiding. He said he would have nightmares about something like this scene happening to me when I was little. Sometimes I'd ask him if I can go play at the playground with my friends after school. And it would be daylight saving time so it got dark quite early after school so he always told me no. And I always thought that he was against me wanting to have fun. But as I got older I realized that he was protecting me.
@Josh Kolbo He made it for her, there’s a scene where he’s talking to her parents and sees her for the first time, afterwards they show him sketching it out then building it while stalking her, he knew he wanted it to be for her :(
@@longstrangetrip9920 yeah, there also was a sketchbook found by her sister Lindsey, where this man kinda "prepared" "project Susie", he wrote her name multiple times, and then he took one of her's curls to pin it as a "souvenir". He also was tracking the investigation, which was being described in a local newspaper.
@@jordy13xoxo17that was kinda what he was going for. Apparently Stanley was so disgusted and disturbed by the character of George he only agreed if they cut a scene where he raped Susie after killing her and if he could make himself look as unrecognizeable as possible.
I remember my mother showing this scene to me when I was about 10, a few years after the release of the movie on DVD, to warn me about what could happen if I talked to strangers... And I just remember feeling uneasy and sick to my stomach, also mad at the same time... All these years later and those feelings still haven't changed...
Good for your mother for showing you this as an example of what can happen. I know that must have been very scary for you to watch at that age, but I’m sure it made you weary around strangers!
Felicia Just because he’s a neighbor doesn’t mean he’s not a stranger though. Just because you see someone a few times and maybe say hi it doesn’t mean you know anything about them or what kind of skeletons they have in their closet right.
The movie was pretty good but also very sad. I wish the dad had found out Mr. Harvey and taken legal action. I know Mr. Harvey dies in the end but I feel like we didn’t get closure because Susie’s body was never found and her family never found out who did it.
I met someone that is like him before I was in 8th grade(13/14) and I'm walking home from school when a guy in his 50s approached me. He is weirdly too friendly, I remember how creepy he looks when he asked me how old I was. I was so scared that I answered him and quickly ran away as fast as I could. It's been two years and it still gives me the creeps
Same! I was 14 coming home from school, this guy pulls up in a dark van late 30s he asked if I needed a ride I said no I'm close to home, I didn't want to say where cause he gave me uneasy vibs he kept asking I said I'm OK he finally pulled off n I didn't tell anyone, a few weeks later I kept having these nightmares I was dead everything was green I was wrapped up Ina boat to be ditched I could see everything but could not move. He leaned in close to me I'll never forget his face he looked like the guy from terminator the one who ran funny? But older looking. I didn't stop having those nightmare until I was about 17.
Could have just been a friendly man to be totally honest. Maybe you reminded him of his daughter who died young. One thing that sucks about getting older as a man is that you are essentially not allowed to interact with a large portion of the population or you are seen as creepy. Fun! I love feeling valued by society!
The symbolism in this movie is so great. When he was leading her to the bunker, the atmosphere changes. The way there’s two sides, a light and dark; the light side leading home and the dark leading to her, well, fate. The way she is slowly led to the dark side and away from her home, her family. It hurts so bad. It’s such a cruel truth that we all must face, that this really happens. It’s horrible.
Yup. She’d been in there for hours at the point (it’s now pitch black outside) but had a temporary sort of amnesia because what transpired was so traumatising. Chills.
deandrala Yeh true, notice how further in the movie it actually shows how she died that’s how he grabbed her so when he grabbed her like that and pulled her he got her but only her ghost escaped yeh u right that silent moment she was dead. time stamp 8:10 is what i mean, it makes the puzzle piece on how she died
@Field Of Carnations I think the room in the ground in the field was so no one on his street could hear screams. The movie shows that he stalks from the cornfield when the corn is growing. He watched young people making out in there too.
porcelain dolls were still common back then i think, many parents had old dolls they'd inherited or kept from their own childhoods and they became either toys or decoration items
Yes, because a giant underground hole in the middle of a practically DESOLATE cornfield, with a creepy neighbor man you barely know seems PERFECTLY safe right?!?!? WRONG
Yes, because stranger danger was totally a thing back then and people NEVER trust strangers today ever 🙄 what a comment. Not to be all "this generation" but... this generation is embarrassing in how nobody knows anything about history or how to look at it contextually. Y'all do dumb stuff all the time today even knowing better.
There's a huge difference between now and the 70"s. Everyone knew everyone in their neighborhoods, and everyone knew everyone's business. Most people now don't even know their neighbors name or talk to them. If something like this happened in my neighborhood in the 70's, the men took the law into their own hands at 4am. They didn't call the police. The police would find them floating in the river or they were "hit by a car".
This is why my parents had “passwords”. If anyone ever came up to me saying “your mom / dad told me to come get you” or whatever, I was to respond “What is the password”. Our way of code.
Have kids if you want kids. Not only do these sick people hurt children, but they make adults decide not to have children at all. I have 2 children, trust me when I say it's my worst nightmare, but we shouldnt be the ones living in fear. These sick people need to be the ones to live in fear and not have children. Give them nothing, no power and no satisfaction. If it were possible, I'd reserve the harshest, cruelest death penalty for people who hurt children.
The acting in this scene is outstanding by both of them. I believe every second of her fear and every second of his gratification knowing he lured his prey in. Bone chilling.
When the mom says “I’ll make her a plate” & the scene then turns to her going into the “clubhouse” this entire sequence was extremely heartbreaking and disturbing to watch knowing what’s coming next.
I love the detail in how the music shows the shift in the mood, it goes from whimsical to sinister in an instant, showing the hidden danger is now revealed
I respect the creative choice to have the camera go back and forth between the family going about their regular routine and while their daughter is going to meet her Doom. It really shows how it can happen to anyone.
The second he touches her hat the perspective of the scene entirely changes. Such good cinematography. Poor Susie. Everyone's saying "why did she follow him in??" But I think he specifically made it to her tastes to lure her in? I could be wrong tho
I was very little when I watched this movie I was never intended to watch it my mom and my older cousin thought that I was asleep but I watched the whole movie without them noticing and sure it did traumatized me a little and I had nightmares but that helped me understand how cruel some people in the world are and how parents should really educate their children about stuff like this. .
For this reason I teach my son how to fight lethally without any rules if he's ever attacked by a bully. There is no such thing as a fair fight and you use whatever weapons or unfair advantage you have to totally annihilate anyone that wants to hurt you
Kinda a risk to teach him lethal attacks. He could kill someone in a situation where it didn't need to happen. Show him restraint first. Let him know when and where to use these tactics. Coming from experience as a boxer in training, one wrong punch could send someone to the tomb.
Yup, there's no need to fight like a gentleman when you face a bully or a potential criminal. When a bully threatened me and grabbed my collar, I actually clawed his knuckles to force him to let me go and then yelled literally at his face to scare him straight. Even if you're not tough enough to hit someone, don't make yourself look like a victim so bullies or criminals wouldn't think you're an easy prey.
Stanley Tucci is such an extraordinary actor. He got a well deserved Oscar nomination for this movie but hard to believe it’s his only one. He’s so incredibly underrated and can play such a wide range of characters. He doesn’t usually go dark but when he does it’s chilling, as is shown here
Susie: Yeah of course! Mr Harvey: you know I actually wanted to kill you Susie but your just to friendly Susie: hehe thanks wait what Mr Harvey: I will let you go if you promise you don't tell anyone I won't bring you down here. Susie: uhh okay... Mr Harvey: Okay up you go now The End
I always thought how the cut from her to her family having their dinner is really unsettling. Just a thought that someone you love could be in such a compromising or dangerous situation without you even knowing about it.
I'm 23 years old and even though I'm aware enough not to trust anyone. My dad still is anxious and has anxiety anytime I go anywhere. Scared of something, anything happening to me.
What’s chilling and creeps me out with this scene is that the family is coming back from a long day of work and school, relaxing and having dinner, spending quality time with one another assuming their one child is running late, saving a plate for her without knowing she’s being brutally tortured then murdered a few miles away.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate Stanley Tucci's acting skills?? I find him so adorable and loved him in Burlesque/Hunger Games etc and it shook me to hell when I found out this was him!
Thanos Car they decided not to explicitly show/say it in the movie, but in the book it's clear he raped her before killing her, which is why I think they had that line as an allusion to the intent of the book
8:11 this quick cut to above ground is important. it conveys that time has past. It’s now dark. Meaning Susie has been down in the chamber with Mr. Harvey longer than the film is presenting… it’s a creative decision that hints at the fact that Susie never made it out. 8:14 and onward is what Susie wishes would have happened, or rather what her ghost imagines had happened, likely due to her unconscious repression of what had _actually_ happened. The quick cut between 8:11-8:14 represents the moment when Susie is raped and killed
Stanley Tucci did an amazing job with this. He was so scary and he dedicated himself so much to this role by putting himself through such uncomfortable circumstances. He made this movie watchable.
The thing that I love is how he changes from sweet outside to the moment he gets her inside he controls everything he knows she cant do anything and becomes terrifying it just shows how those people are the are preditors
Man, Stanley Tucci was just incredible in this role. Career defining. From the instant when he is luring her in with his friendly, seemingly innocent demeanor; up to when his breathing increases in excitement once he has her in his lair as he anticipates the evil act he is about to commit.
Omg every time I watch this I mentally try to change the outcome, even though I already know what’s gonna happen. Before she enters the hideout I keep thinking “girl, you still can run, get yourself far from there asap, RUN”. It’s so smothering.
"I have to go." "Yeah, you're right, you should probably go. Don't want your parents to worry about ya. Well, thanks for taking a look at my little clubhouse, Susie. You feel free to come down here any time you like."
The fact is, the actor who plays Mr Harvey actually talked about how he was slightly uncomfortable playing the role sometimes as he loves kids and finds it horrible how anyone could do this to a child.
Spanking with a belt, spoon, switch, brush, etc., was perfectly acceptable in those days, 1973 in this case. Kids were made to mind back then, they actually feared the consequences of disobeying their parents.
I'm sorry your mom is a violent toddler. My dad is a decent parent and would have been more worried about my safety than looking for am excuse to bruise me.
@@sarasmith9450 in that case, a lot of kids were probably murdered in the 70s because they'd been taught to never dare to question or say "no" to an adult.
1:11 I like the difference in the illumination and colors in this scene. She could have went to the lighted and coloured side, and avoid a terrible ending, but she chose the wrong and dark side.
Being a woman growing up is kinda traumatizing. I often catch myself remembering interactions that I had with older men when I was younger, and think to myself: “Holy shit, that was disgusting as hell, how can I see this just now?”… Even now, I have a really hard time socializing, so I can’t catch undertones really well, but when I realize, it’s so stressful and traumatic.
More than 70% of the time a person is killed by someone they already know or have a connection to. The odds of being killed be a complete stranger is very nill!
I had a guy on my newspaper route that had his mailbox in the back of his house. Whenever I would put it in I would always try to fastwalk away but he would come outside every time like he was waiting for me and talk to me. Many times he would ask me if I wanted some spare icecream in his house, and that I just had to come inside and get it. I bought a slushie every time I did my route to use it as an excuse. One day, he told me he had Halloween candy left over and was very adamant that I take it. I followed him, idk why, and he told me to step inside the house. I walked in a step but kept the door open with my arm. He came over with the candy, literally a small handful and I held my hand out for him to drop it so I wouldn't have to reach and grab it in case he grabbed my hand or something. I quickly thanked him and hurries out the door and after that switched my newspaper route. I regret ever accepting the candy but maybe it helped me realize how messed up the situation was, a 50 year old man inviting a 14 year old into his house for candy. What a stereotypical thing.
Their acting is brilliant though, both of them. Also, kudos to the cameraman and the filming crew. Did anyone notice how Suzie's pupils are dilated at the end of the scene? It's something that human subconsciousness rarely fails to register, and because of that, one can't help but empathize with the character. We can feel her fear, it's almost tangible. All because of that masterful close-up shot.
lot of people saying her going down the clubhouse was a big mistake but honestly I think harvey would have insisted and if she didn't come he'll force her down anyway they were alone in that wide field
Her gut instinct was correct, always follow your gut. She hesitated because a voice was telling her no. This scene made me so uncomfortable watching because I could feel everything through the screen of my tv.
