I have put together several ebikes from motor kits on old bicycles. After seeing this, I would only ever want one of these bikes vs what I see elsewhere. Being able to see the welds and the drive gears was so insightful. The battery system sounds great. Being able to switch from ebike to e-moto would help for places where bike trail gives way to highway.
Kudos to Scott for taking some of the criticisms of the wizard himself. It must be very daunting having someone so knowledgeable scrutinize known issues that have been presented but are being remedied.
I just saw LAND in person at Overland Expo West and they were the only company where I stopped and absolutely fawned over the design and quality.... I'm not even a Motorcycle guy but these machines are gorgeous in person.
@@j.m.5995 You missed something. The US government has been working to bring manufacturing back to the US. And, remember, the reason manufacturing left the US was because people wanted to buy cheap stuff. No manufacturer wanted to close down a US factory and have to work with a manufacturer they didn't own which was a very long plane ride away and with whom they didn't share a language.
Not sure if you got the point of his statement. He is saying he didn't want to just pick American manufacturing to virtue signal to the flag waving crowd.... he is saying he wanted to use American manufacturing for what it is good for, keeping in mind that the tooling and know-how is no longer here. And that's not something that is easily fixed. We are talking about 150 years of good American steel that was boxed up and shipped to China. We are talking about 100 years of solid American machine tools that were shipped to China. We are talking about industrial districts filled with buildings purpose-built for manufacturing with cranes and cargo bays and train tracks rezoned as residential and converted into condos. And we are talking about a gap of over 40 years where the know-how has been allowed to get old and die out. It will take a whole heck of alot more than some flag waving and wishful thinking to rebuild what NeoLiberalism destroyed in this country.
@@patreekotime4578 Don't try to blame some sort of liberalism for the loss of American manufacturing. It happened because Americans wanted cheaper stuff and China could build stuff cheaper. It was market forces. Nothing else. Now, have we lost the ability to manufacture state of the art stuff in the US? Look at Tesla. World class, innovative manufacturing via an American startup. Tesla is doing stuff that the Chinese are copying. Or look at SpaceX. No other company or country has been able to land and quickly refly rockets. More American ingenuity and quality manufacturing.
Been riding ev bikes for 5 years, this guy is just a startup bro, the company is his product, not the bike. Buy a cheap EV surron and get it over with, you'll not regret it. He's starting from nothing, there will be no bike for at least 3 years, it's a joke, he will likely take tons of investor money, and bomb it into the ground like the last 10 EV bike makers, can't beat China on the price, sucks, but it's true.
@@PhiTonics Why do you say no bike for 3 years ? Did you not go on their website nefore making such an assertion ? If you had you'd have seen a delivery date for this Sept 24th. Sounds like you wanted to trash them without even bothering to check the facts. Too bad as it weakens some of the good points you made about bike EVs.
@@PhiTonics We've been in operation for 3 years and have delivered 400+ units since 2023, but I appreciate the positivity and great attitude for promoting American-made products!
@@LANDEnergy .. To the power of 10.. Here in Vail, CO EV bikes are in abundance. . Would seem our 49cc (72cc actually) Vespa's and Malaguta scooters are passe'.
Ummm, Japan has been making 100% EV bicycles since before 1990's , and very successful I might add. the Mamachari SAFETY cycle Design is #1 BEST seller .
Smaller motorcycles used to be far more common in the US. 125-250cc are perfectly acceptable for riding around town and brief stints on the highway. After the 80's larger sport bikes and big Harley Cruisers took off and are more for performance/show or long touring on highways than real daily use. I see so many old Harley riders tip their motorcycles in the parking lot and need a 2nd person just to get it back up. No young rider is going to be able to throw $20,000+ on 400lb+ motorcycle, only old Boomers, so Harley's customers are literally dying off. Motorcycle sales have been on decline in US partly because younger riders aren't learning to ride, but a lot of those would be riders have e-bikes. Electric motorcycles should be a good transition for e-bike owners needing more speed when zipping around town, but so many electric motorcycle companies and OEMs are trying to build electric motorcycles to compete with larger sport bikes, naked bikes, and dual-sport or offroad bikes. That is a terrible idea because the range and top speed of electric bikes is terrible and they are too heavy and expensive to compete with better ICE bikes in that category. Building smaller, urban commuting, electric motorcycles that appeal to e-bike riders makes way more sense. In the low end they can accelerate better than a sport bike, but have the convience, low maintenance, and approachability of a small scooter. Having swappable batteries and good storage options make them great daily riders when the weather is nice.
@@FranktheDachshund Well not very many people, especially men in their 20's, were obese in the 70's- 80's. I ride a 150cc scooter and go 70mph on the highway and weigh just under 200lbs. The weight limit on the scooter is 350lbs.
125 - 250 cc is all you need for 100% E-Motorcycles. but most are built too tall & heavy , no step through SAFETY feature , and if they fall on you = broken bones. also most all of them are NOT DC fast charge capable.
Agree Harley Davidson attempt at an electric motorcycle was a flop matter fact they sold it off to LiveWire.. we need generations of battery tech to come and go before EV’s Weil replace their gas counterpoints.
The fact that swappable batteries is actually feasible for motorcycles is a big point of differentiation between them and other EVs. Look at what gogoro is doing in SE asia.
I know Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Honda were working on a standard swappable battery platform for their three brands. Creating a standard would help with third party options and future upgrades. I think Honda already implemented it in a few of their scooters.
@JEP-Tech gogoro is trying to spread their standard, like tesla spread nacs. They have thousands of swap stations (basically vending machines) in their home market of taiwan and are ramping up in India and Philippines right now.
think about what else they are saying though too. Imagine packing out a tent and then being able to use the battery as a solar generator to use for lighting, laptop, powering a Starlink mini, immersion heater to make a cup of coffee.
@gr1f1th I have spent years thinking lot about portable modular ubiquitous battery packs, ever since I saw gogoro run it out there like four years ago. Land hasn't mentioned if they're going to create the network of vending machines for swap charging them, though.
Beautiful. Thanks for this. I had seen Landmoto before but to see inside is an incredible treat. Great work guys. Can only imagine this is a wonderful company to work for.
I would like to see Sandy reach out to the Fuell team and check out the Fuell Fllow. I'm hoping they will finally reach production by the end of this year, but we will see. Their design team consists of Erik Buell and other veteran Buell and Harley engineers. They are implementing a lot of innovative designs to bring down manufacturing cost and weight to keep it below $13,000 and 400lbs despite having a larger 10kWh battery; including a magnesium housing, a structural battery pack, lights integrated directly into the frame, and a inhub axial-flux motor. It has more storage capacity than a typical scooter but the low end acceleration of a 600-750cc sport bike.
Great! These guys "get it" especially in the design and DFM. Nice to showcase engineers in the US that aren't brain dead bureaucrats. The luxury of Adversity indeed!
I thought all the Japanese motorcycle and scooter makers had agreed upon a universal battery and connection design so there could be easier battery swaps and battery station that could be used by all makers. Small universal battery design makes a lot of sense for apartment dwellers and fast swaps to extend range quickly.
That 120 mile range is on the motorcycle test standard which is no where near equivalent to the testing standards for automobiles. So looking them up, the Scrambler with on board charging and 5.7 kWh usable (largest battery) cost about $9400 and real world range at 55mph is just 34.6 miles claimed - as in they state that at 55 miles per hour you get 34 miles of range. At 70 you get 23. That 120 miles of range, at 22mph.
@@andromedach Does this thing look like a Gullwing? It's for off roading, commuting, or zipping around town. Since it's charged every time you come home, there's no need for more range than that. Heck, it's probably excessive for most of the use cases, which is why they offer a smaller battery configuration. And for off-roading, it'll likely just be loaded up into a truck or trailer just like off-road ICE bikes usually are. Looks like great fun.
cool..& literally!!👍🥧☕🏁yup!! real nice! woop..woop..🌞glad to see the tek info involved! cool stuff..🧃bruh!! look@ that frame!! wow! mighty sharp! gosh ya'll have blown my mind with this one wowee this is super nice ! congratulations!
This is the best video from Munro so far. I like this concept of videos from small production facilities than mass production on huge scale. Many engineers can get inspired to start a company instead of working in already established companies, this can help a lot. Can we have more videos from small scale manufacturers?
One day I bought an electric mower. It arrived. I unboxed it - where was the cable? I contacted the manufacturer and he said you have been sold an export version. In the UK it should have a cable. In Europe to keep the cost down items like a lawnmower come without a cable. People have one cable for all their electric gadgets like Lawnmowers Hedge trimmers And so on. What would be good if your motorbike battery fitted your lawnmower, lawn scarifier etc.
This thing looks slick and I want it. All the complaining about EV range doesn't mean anything to me. I live in a city and I don't like leaving the city unless it's on an airplane. Something like this suits my needs perfectly.
Sandy, thanks for the tour! I wish Scott and Land much success. Very cool to hear Scott give credit to Erik Buell for production line inspiration. I've got an order in for Erik's emc, the Fuell Fllow, due out the end of this year. I hope you will soon have an opportunity to visit with Erik and check out the Fuell Fllow.
The battery bank seems is vertical designed. There seems like 20-30% space on the rear side of the battery bank which could have been used to make the battery weight position horizontal. This will have lowered the center of gravity and making balancing easier.
I can't speak for everyone but shifting and engine sound are integral to why I love motorcycles. I demo rode an ev motorcycle and it was completely joyless for me, nothing but wind and tire noise and nothing to do but twist the go rheostat.
swappable batteries could be a help to EV fleets, but in personal EVs you'd have to get owners used to a paradigm where they don't own their batteries any more, and if they aren't charging at home also, they will have less control over energy costs, and lose the convenience of home charging.
You still charge at home and you keep your own batteries, you just pull the batteries out to charge. It’s valuable for people who live in apartments. They also offer an inexpensive onboard charger.
@@Trashed20659 No need to shout at me. You buy the batteries with the motorcycle, so you own the batteries. These batteries aren’t intended to swap out for different batteries. You pull the batteries out, bring them inside for charging. When charged, you bring them back out and put them back in the motorcycle. A better term would be removable, not swappable. You can also buy a factory option for onboard charging if you prefer. I have a Volcon dirt bike that has removable batteries. I pull them out to charge on my workbench, then put them back in when I’m ready to ride. Land does not have a swapping network, so these batteries are not intended to be swapped.
The motorcycle is looking pretty good. But when I hear words like "smart IoT platform" I immediately think of planned obsolescence. Battery should have 100% functionality without the need for any external things like mobile phone or internet (cloud), etc. Yes, some amount of "smarts" could be used for monitoring, logging, etc. and could improve experience, but most of the time it is used to limit what customer can do with the device they've bought. We have too many examples of this already.
COPS and Rangers need 40+ hp e- motorbikes for patrols , public safety and assisting walking cops and those in cars. the COP e- motorbile should be of DUAL purpose Enduro design.
How did you skip over the test ride portion of the tour? That's like watching a Michelin ⭐ chef prepare a wagyu & then leaving as they set it down in front of you
@@DiedLiu - LAND says it Standard e- motorbike is off road , the suspension looks to be Robust. License & Registration / Insurance can pay for fixing Roads.
Buy a Yamaha TW200 the benchmark of the motorcycle for 37years and counting under 5K & 80+MPG with a cult following and cool factor unmatched. There’s a reason you see stewards at MotoGP or any AMA event on them.. I own them all BMW, Ducati, Honda,Harley Davidson etc etc. The T-Dub is more smiles per mile than any of my other bikes combined.
I know Vespa and later mopeds were just a blip on the US market, but I keep thinking this is the new Vespa replacement. Cheap simple reliable local fun.
I wish that 110 mile range were the rating for highway riding. If it were I'd be very interested. No one quite seems to make a bike I want yet, this company and Zero are both close, but what I really want is something half way between the Land District Scrambler and the Zero DSR/X. Land doesn't get the highway range, and Zero is too expensive and just a bigger bike than I want.
I think Sandy was referring to some of the English bikes he referenced (BSA, Triumph) where the gear change is 1-up, 3 or 4-down. To make it even more different, the change foot lever was on the right side, in the same position that the rear brake pedal is on bikes now..🤔
It's interesting to see how scaling is done. However welding tables and fixtures have been used since forever, "software defined hardware" is done by any electric bicycle, no matter how cheap, IoT battery is a bit cringe as well. The prices aren't excessive.
I use to ride single cylinder motorcycles which vibrated your butt bad. These electric motorcycles must feel smooth as butter and give your butt a big brake from vibration.
Thanks for the video. In the market for an electric motorcycle. Choices in the US are so limited. Would like to support domestic manufacturers but this LAND District Street looks like a souped-up version of the junk that my local Tractor Supply carries. The CSC RX1E (been around for years) is comparable in specs but looks better. Is there something that looks like a proper street motorcycle made in the US that isn't a $21K Zero SR/S? The LAND District has the specs I want but not the looks.
ON Green has great new material for parts. Battery surrounds, etc. Browns the color we have for now. Oliver has a light weight material in our patent, possably for FUV's. Tough enough for Durable Light Weight Shipping Containers, Etc. Currently, actively applying for grants and loking for investors. I working topen a a facility to work with guys like thease. Sky's the limit.🎉
interesting insight on manufacturing woes as a small company. The tubular frame is old idea, cringey. They should take a clue from Tesla Cybertruck design.
e- Motorbike engineers need to focus on Step through , rather than seats w/ lateral bar in center of e-Motorbike. its why the SAFETY bike was invented more than 100+ years ago.
American motocycle market seems unique that practicality doesn't count first, probably thanks to Harley culture (form uber function?). Even with all the right ingredients, the final product looks kind of bland 😮to me and swapable battery seems premature for this market.
but, with ALL of the e-Mobility options in 2024 . there needs to be Legislation for e- Mobility and LICENSING and REGISTRATION similar to cars . they also need 2 - week TRAINING to Certify a NEW user. similar to JAPANESE cars (1 month) training course. this means e- Motorbiles cant ever operate on Sidewalks , except for e- Mobility friendly parks & trails . MORE of those need to be planned & built. so Everyone is SAFE.
The expertise that Land helped their supplier develop should've been brought in house. Welded frames are critical to Land's manufacturing and should therefore be vertically Integrated. A year and a half to get to unit 1 is atrocious.
