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The Lydian Chromatic Concept Ep. 4: Resolutions and the Circle of Fifths 

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In the fourth episode of the Lydian Chromatic series on "Theory with Bob," ‪‪‪@bobbyspellman‬ discusses the resolving tendencies of lydian parent scales around the circle of fifths.
George Russell's Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization: www.lydianchromaticconcept.co...
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@forrestlineberry9281
@forrestlineberry9281 27 дней назад
This is the first time I've seen a logical framework for using minor pentatonic and Dorian mode over major chords, rather than just saying, "Because it's blues" or "Because it sounds good".
@OrcaTrumpet
@OrcaTrumpet 28 дней назад
Blues clues vibe having stuff explained to me with a walking bass in the background 🐬
@Skizze37
@Skizze37 28 дней назад
Oh fuck yeah- I just caught up with the last three episodes and am fucking jazzed for this installment.
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic 28 дней назад
🤘🏻
@kennymcbride264
@kennymcbride264 28 дней назад
I enjoy the series and the pace. Very dense but followable. Thank you
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic 28 дней назад
Thanks, Kenny! Happy to hear it, I’m doing my best to ride that line!
@marceloleal1957
@marceloleal1957 28 дней назад
I liked the bassist walking while you talk, made me think that focus comes from motion, as inside of the brain
@frankybebop2913
@frankybebop2913 28 дней назад
Super well done Bob! Thanks!
@jazzwoodshed7574
@jazzwoodshed7574 28 дней назад
One word says it all - Superb! Thank you!!!
@zacattacx5637
@zacattacx5637 28 дней назад
The next episode (I think the next episode) is going to rock yr socks off with the in-going and out-going scales of tonal gravity. Whole-tone scales anyone?!
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic
@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic 28 дней назад
You know it!
@blow-by-blowtrumpet
@blow-by-blowtrumpet 28 дней назад
That's where the book lost me.
@KrystofDreamJourney
@KrystofDreamJourney 28 дней назад
@@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic Your explanation of Russel’s concept is the most accurate and condensed “right-to-the-point” I’ve found around. While the book itself requires some patience and determination to get through (for most of jazz harmony students) you lay out the basics in the most entertaining and informative ways. True - this particular video (part 4) needs to be watched and re-watched multiple times, with a constant stop-rewind. I will also recommend my students to take a pencil, manuscript paper and write it down (otherwise they may not understand and get lost easily). Thanks 🙏
@lydiaelsewhere1504
@lydiaelsewhere1504 14 дней назад
These videos are super inspiring! Im learning so much and i keep having to pause in the video to do some improv based on these progressions i love it! 😸
@scottdrake5159
@scottdrake5159 23 дня назад
This series is a blast!
@sgwrtks
@sgwrtks 26 дней назад
Had the ‘scales’ falling from my both eyes! So we are traveling from one lydian parent scale to another in a song. Thank you so much and expect your next video, Bob!
@jwal1992
@jwal1992 24 дня назад
Great video! 🎉
@V8Murder
@V8Murder 27 дней назад
This rocks.
@ayanjoemusic
@ayanjoemusic 28 дней назад
LESGOOOO
@MindsEyeVisualGuitarMethods
@MindsEyeVisualGuitarMethods 28 дней назад
So what I'm gathering from all this is that in Western tonal music it has become commonplace to organize the modal emotional structure of the major scale by Ionian and it's minor counterpart aeolian which I call the neutral scales versus the natural scales. I can see the sense in doing so, to get a grasp on the emotional directions of the major and minor modes. Either brighter or darker than the neutral maj and min modes So, what it looks to me, is that George Russell discovered that it can be easier for what a jazz composer needs, (which is a path to good resolution) to rethink the, organizational structure putting the mode that provides the most resolution as the parent major scale. And that would also make sense for the Pat Martino method where the Dorian as the brightest of the minor modes probably has the best minor resolve in the way that Lydian, as the brightest maj mode, has the best major resolve... I could be wrong though.
@antixdobrasil
@antixdobrasil 27 дней назад
I like to think about it as a case of convergent evolution, where both of them had the same conclusions, but for Pat - from a guitar background and because the way the guitar is tuned - the Dorian scale is most "guitar friendly" scalewise than Lydian
@SelfPropelledDestiny
@SelfPropelledDestiny 25 дней назад
I wouldn't necessarily use the words "Ionian" or "Aeolian" for these scales, one, because those names are not historically consistent (which mode/scale was meant by a certain name has changed depending on time period and culture). But two, and more importantly I think, is that those words imply a Modal Usage of Harmony. Yes, the Ionian scale and the Major scale happen to have the same exact intervals, but the way in which those notes are grouped and utilized (harmony) is very different. (Can provide lots of sources for learning upon request.) But I do think you are onto the main point. The reason the Major and Minor framework (common practice, Tonal Harmony) was developed was specifically for tension, for the scale placement of the tritone. Tonal Harmony was developed with the "goal" of creating "stories or drama"; home, away, climax, home, etc. It is like an epic poem. It was not as concerned with sticking to the specific harmony of physical vibration (like the fifth), which as we've seen Lydian does more coherently. I think it all comes down to the goal of the music. Want drama? Tonal Harmony. Want meandering? Modal Harmony. Want raw tension? Blues Harmony. Want dreamy? Whole-tone impressionistic harmony. Want strange/evocative? Serialism. Want a Tonal/Modal/Blues combo? Jazz Harmony.
@markyachnin1901
@markyachnin1901 26 дней назад
I appreciate you, your videos, and tackling this topic. Thank you! I do want to share that after watching all four videos in this series (so far), I find I'm not sure what the value of it is. Can't any chord go to any chord, regardless of the theoretical explanation or "justification"? Note: I am not against music theory. I'm a bit of a theory nerd, which I why I've been watching these videos. My thoughts probably indicate that I don't truly understand the material. I will plan on watching videos 3 and 4 again. Thanks for your effort and enthusiastic presentation!
@itisinickt
@itisinickt 27 дней назад
the real secret is that 7th chords fit with everything
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 26 дней назад
Major 7ths? Minor? Dominant? Harmonic? Usually 1 seems to fit better than the other, situatiinally dependant, IMO.
@leonardlevy8811
@leonardlevy8811 26 дней назад
So far this is the best explanation of the Lydian theory I've ever seen , and in fact the only one that's made much sense. But what I'm wondering about and have never found anything about is how does this apply to soloing in modal tunes? I get how it can be used to understand classic harmony and how it could make more sense of modern tunes like Wayne Shorter etc. But isn't it supposed to be useful over modal harmony - if so how? How does it apply to So What?
@SelfPropelledDestiny
@SelfPropelledDestiny 25 дней назад
I haven't really heard about any usefulness over modal harmony. Since modal harmony tends to be diatonic to the mode you are in. The most I could say is that if Major-Minor are reciprocal relatives, then Lydian-Dorian share the exact same relative relationship. Therefore So What is using "the more harmonious minor" of the Lydian mode.
@CassWhistles-le6sf
@CassWhistles-le6sf 24 дня назад
Modal jazz is poorly named, it is explicitly built on George Russell's Lydian Chromatic Concept and has nothing to do with cycling through Western modes. This has made the language convoluted as someone playing modally (utilizing the LCC) and someone recentering the tonic center around the relative modes are doing two different things.
@leonardlevy8811
@leonardlevy8811 23 дня назад
@@CassWhistles-le6sf So I have 2 response now. The first says LCC isn't useful over modal harmony , and yours saying that LCC is only for modal harmony. Wish I had a response from Bob . However as I've always heard that LCC had a lot to do with the development of modal jazz and Kind of Blue I'll stick with you. However that said, what are the practical implications for playing modal tunes..,. i.e. what's the point? Just saying play Lydian F over a Dm7 doesn't seem a whole lot more valuable than thinking Dorian D unless it opens more possibilities. How to think about that is what I'd like to hear more about . Does it just mean I can utilize Russell's other more "outside" scales over that Dm7 vamp and then resolve back to the chord tones? If so i do that anyway `without specifically referencing Russell's scales , though that does offer options. Hopefully that's coming next . So far though this stuff has helped me make sense of some Cedar Walton tunes like Bolivia and especially Fantasy in D ( AKA Ugetsu).
@shift_reset
@shift_reset 26 дней назад
I'm don't know if I'm understanding the superposition stuff at all. In all these cases, we have two chordmodes highlighted, but it's not clear what do do about the notes that are not common to both. In the C major example (10:30) we have F and C highlighted when you play the C major scale (~ F lydian), presumably because you are playing a C chord (implying C lydian), okay fine, but what precisely is the status of the F / F#. But why Bb and C highlighted in the sixth chord case? (11: 40) Where is the mixolydian sound that you call out coming from? Surely a C6 chord comes naturally from the sequence of fifths C G (D) E A, hence C lydian. Now there is nothing in a C6 which contradicts, so to speak, a mixolydian sound, so you could play mixolydian melodies over a C6 chord, hmm okay, but that seems like a vocabulary/stylistic thing which is compatible with, but not entailed by the lydian framework. Then at (12:15), we start with the pentatonic of Eb lydian (Eb F G Bb C), then because the C minor pentatonic is the same notes, you can play a C minor pentatonic over a Eb, but over a C major chord, which implies a lydian, you would be clashing with the Eb, F and Bb, so to speak. I'm not even going to ask about the ones after that. Frankly, I don't see what this framework is explaining.
@SelfPropelledDestiny
@SelfPropelledDestiny 25 дней назад
I'm imagining that it is a case of much more modulation theory. What I mean is, when we see F Major chord to C Major chord, we have been taught to think of that as IV to I, or F Lydian to C Major, all contained within one key center. But I think this approach views chords more as isolationist to themselves (essentially if a #4 sounds more "harmonious" on a Major triad, then it will no matter what "function" you think that Major triad is serving. The very idea of "function" is a symptom of common practice Tonal Harmony (Major/Minor), and it seems may be being discarded with.) You may be familiar with Chord-Scale Theory? This sort of does the same thing, but often sticks to the diatonic approach so if you see G-F-C, you think G Mixo, F Lydian, C Major. But it seems this approach says, no, they are all separate unrelated Major triads so we will think G Lydian, F Lydian, C Lydian. Not sure if I'm truly correct about this, but it's just what I've gleaned from this video and other studied sources. You may have heard something like "jazzers use Dorian on any minor chord they like"? We tend to think that's cause they are always assuming ii-Vs, but maybe it's also because, if Lydian is the primordial major scale, then its minor relative, Dorian, is the primordial minor scale,
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 26 дней назад
12:31 the pentatonic version of Eb lydian is the same as the pentatonic version of Eb major... so, pigeonholing this into lydian chromatic, it feels like a backronym, to me. I agree with all of your practical examples... and sometimes the theoretical framework has been enlightening... but many times the theoretical pigeonholing feels like an unnecessary complication. The example at the timestamp, are the blues musicians borrowing from Eb lydian? No, not in their own minds. If you're in C, playing blues, you're more involved with the F rather than the F#... and when you borrow, you're borrowing from Eb or Bb or Ab, but it's not major or lydian, but from those tonal centers. I understand that to Russell, those "tonal centers" imply lydian, and he and you have shown why you believe that... but the situation on the ground is different - it's a more practical decision. You're not deciding between Eb major, lydian, pentatonic, or Ab lydian vs major, etc... It's more like, which notes provide the right feel, in the moment, for that song. If I'm playing a C blues, and I use a Db note... there are many possible theoretical explanations... and you can try and figure out which mode or scale I was borrowing from, based on the context notes, what else I played around it... but then if you asked me, I might say, "I was borrowing from C minor, and at that point, I wanted to go even more minor than minor" or some other such nonsense, "vut then some optimism poked thru, with a natural E slipping back in." And someone could analyze and say, oh you were borrowing from phrygian dominant... and someone else could say what the parent lydian scale for that could be, and how many spots around the circle of 5ths that is. Whereas in my mind, it was a musical reflection of an internal struggle between selfishness and compassion, or, the urge to help somebody up versus to steal his wallet while he's down. Nevertheless, challenging theoretical videos, such as this, do seem to help me to discover new (to me) practical musical options. IOW, despite all those words, I'm enjoying these vids and will continue to watch the forthcoming ones, and I have learned from them so far. I want to make that clear, since I've offered a little bit of pushback as well, and that could come off as me having a problem with them, and I don't. I think I'm having issues with some of Russell's contentions, rather than with your presentation of them. Plus, I'm open to the possibilty that I might be wrong about that. I'm not an expert, just a hobbyist keyboards player. Which, P.S. - I know I took a trumpeter's handle... At the time, I thought he was overshadowed by other greats in the jazz zeitgeist, but I'll probably change names before too long. I'll keep the same flower pic for continuity, if I do that. Keep up the good work, and the potentially challenging videos (other commenters seem to be handling the information in the vids with more acceptance, but challenging for me, at least).
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 26 дней назад
14:30 I'm glad you (and Russell) showed this "more minor than minor" aspect as being another spot flatwards along the circle of 5ths... I really do appreciate this theory and set of videos, as a different way to view what's going on. My comment seems smug, but this timestamp made me smile - similar musical results but with a different "show your work" journey. Maybe I'll end up taking to this theoretical framework. Though, if we really wanted to reflect the harmonic series, 12tet would have to be tossed out with the bathwater. Lydian is CLOSER to that than major, I'll admit that on the record.🤣 Again, thanks for the vids. I don't want that appreciation to get lost in these comments.
@RayMcNamaraMusic
@RayMcNamaraMusic 26 дней назад
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