Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games ru-vid.comUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
The first Dutch Shepherd I ever "met" was one owned by my mother, in Holland, more than 60 years ago. Back then they were really, really rare and I certainly had never seen one before, not even in Holland. But my mother was the first one who I ever heard talking about the extreme intelligence of Dutch Shepherds, and how in her view it was their most "dangerous" feature! She said that if you did NOT fully realise from the beginning how intelligent they were, they would take advantage of you and it would take very little time to basically ruin your relationship with the dog forever because you'd be likely to make crucial mistakes. I remember her telling me that she always felt as if her dog was constantly evaluating HER, instead of the other way around. On Dutch farms, it was common for Dutch Shepherds to control large flocks (sheep mostly, in those days) completely independently. They'd guard the flock all day, then take them back to the farm in the evening, independently without human involvement, stay with the animals during the night, and then take them out again in the morning, without human involvement, stay with them all day and bring them back to the farm at night. Etc. They'd do this for weeks on end, making their own decisions without any human oversight. THAT's the background of the apparent "wilfulness" of Dutch Shepherds. They're bred to be independent, evaluate situations and act accordingly. There isn't another breed like it on the planet.
Nice discription of the breed. I especially ike the story of there herding in regards to working indipendently. Explains a lot in regards to there nature..
I lost my 10 year old female Dutch Sheperd this year to a stomach tumor. I got her at 8 months old. She was my service dog and best friend through some of the toughest times of my life. I miss her terribly. In many ways she was the exception to the rule when it comes to Dutchies and I was very fortunate. Although, she still had some very strong personality traits that were challenging. I learned a lot as a handler having her. Fast forward to today and the decision to get another dog. All things considered and some advice from you in a previous video about getting a Belgian Malinois/Dutch Sheperd …. I now have a Golden Retriever puppy … lol
@@dogmom4710 Thank you. Yes, but at the moment it’s mostly from having my first puppy from 8 weeks old …lol She is now almost 3 1/2 months old and a handful. I honestly won’t have much to compare until she gets to the 8 month mark.
Mine is a solid black shepherd. His first five years was spent around livestock. It was perfect for his intense drive. after my right foot was amputated in 2016 I retrained him for my service dog . No regrets except I know I slow him down. He's almost twelve years old and still gets excited when he sees livestock. I trained him for mobility assistance and support. With his help I don't have to avoid the outdoors or using stairs. No regrets training him for second job. He friendly with people and obsessed with my well-being. We never have a dull moment. I do love the golden retriever. Mine passed away in 2004. Gunther was an amputee as well. He was with me for twelve years. It was his rear left leg that had been amputated. He lived a full normal life. Mine is the right foot BKA.
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved dog.. I have a dutchie girl... she is 2,5..yrs. She is a very calm and has the best off button ever so there is some great ones out there , but BOY there are some challenges as well just as you experienced yourself. .. I am so happy to read about how you changed that dogs life
Impulse control and resource guarding control are critical for dogs like Mace. A very small percentage of dogs are truly this dominant, but hoooey, when they are, life can be very challenging.
This was super helpful, I have a female Malinois who has a bite record, at 14 months she had no training and likely no socialization at the proper time, I was her last chance. During training she's very drivey, smart and loves to work but also has a great off-switch. You reinforced what I've been doing and added some new things to my training repertoire. Thank you.
I had a Dutchie for 13yrs Ironically his name was ACE ..He was the most challenging dog I ever had..He was as intelligent as a 3yr old child and stubborn as one also ..I miss him terribly, he took up a lot of my time and I felt lost after losing him . I would do it all again , it was such a rewarding relationship.
Mace is such a gorgeous and huge DS, glad you are still working with him and hopefully are able to find the right handler. Thank you for such honest videos about these breeds, I really wish more trainers and especially breeders were as well!
Love this -this is so informative. Dutch shepherds are A force to be reckoned with. I’ve never seen a more manipulative breed or a more intelligent breed. If you’re not careful they will quickly get you to do their bidding.
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Some animals the handler needs to be able to not "trust the trust" with. Ever. It takes a specific/peculiar mindset in a person to be able to hold that line at all time, every time the person is with the dog, for every day of that dog's life. Just hanging out is the time when some dogs will try to get their handler, bc that is the time when the actual relationship between dog and handler is playing out. Imo, what happened between Mace and his handler does not change the fact that Mace is a great dog and his owner is a capable handler. Hats off to the handler for recognizing that him and Mace both need different things.
Really good to hear you talking the situation through and how you’re going about working more with him to make him as safe as a dog like Mace can be - he’s a beautiful dog. Thanks for sharing this with us.
My dog … I had 4 AKC GSD’s, thought I knew shepherds. Wanted a SD, got a wanna be K9 with epilepsy. It’s a lifestyle & she NEEDS a job. Thank you for helping me understand my 3 1/2 yo I’ve had since she was 8 wks. THIS … is so important to know. Her mom’s papers are in Romania…. train everyday … intense 😊
She’s only ever bitten me ! ACCIDENTALLY never given up But she’s “a lot of dog” I was playing a couple times & didn’t even realize I had to never forget to DISENGAGE from playing & training. ** Micro management. If she were my 1st GSD ( ) I would not have had another 4 of them. I should have known, but didn’t fully get it until I just watched your video on these type of dogs. (Epilepsy is controlled w/med everyday, mostly) I will be using your great info 🙌🙌 Thank you thank you
I think Haz nailed it - Mace will suck you into letting your guard down + not a fan of going back to his kennel (with minor physical tells). I wonder if he can be desensitized to going back to his kennel or maybe even conditioned to look forward to going into his kennel. Then again with the extremes he's capable of, could you be trading one problem for another?
If I recall correctly it was Chris Fraize who said "dogs are social opportunists". Mace is definitely one of those types of dogs. "Micro behaviors" - I see this amongst my two intact male GSDs. The play they do is also a test of strength. To be clear neither of my GSDs are even close to the intensity of Mace, but I see those little moments and as such they are not allowed to interact freely or for long. I don't want them to think they can fight for rank, so better to prevent it. I think your assessment is spot on and respect the humility in that you may have misread what is an appropriate situation and handler for Mace. I think there are only a very small minority of handler/trainers that can safely and consistently handle this dog and I say that humbly myself, Mace would be way too much dog for me as well. Good luck with him, I hope he stays with you as he deserves to have a good life and none of the "blue juice" if at all possible.
The Fraize's are con artists and have scammed 10s of thousands of dollars from people. They neglect their dogs and the dogs left in their care for "training". And they got a dog (Fugg) from a shelter and dropped him back off like 6mos later at a different kill shelter. They don't own a legitimate business and take payments under the table. This guy has been around many states and worn out his welcome. There are a TON of personal accounts of this type of shitty behavior and preying on people and their dogs. Do not believe anything they say, they don't know what "truth" even means.
I just bumped into this video by accident. You are very well educated with experience. Anyone who worked with dogs, can see from your timing between commands, corrections reward. That’s all spot on. But the best part is that you are a good communicator. All demos with simple and to the point explanation. Just wow. All best to you and your family + crew from England 🏴🇵🇱🫡
Awesome video!! I haven't seen a video this interesting and informative in a quite a while. Would love to see more, maybe even some of Mace's very first training sessions once you got him back from his handler where you just started working on building impulse control.
Awesome video and assessment, I have put dogs down for less but I regretted it. Wish I had had your knowledge at the time or even my limited knowledge now.
Its a powerful nice dog but like a loaded weapon, much too dangerous to be around relaxing, you always have to be the leader, that is very demanding and tiring. Is is worth it? Depends on who you are and what you need this dog for.
No no no Never worth it. People think an unhinged dog is cool to have. A stable well balanced NON handler aggressive dog is the way to go. A top tier protection, police K 9 etc dog is NEVER handler aggressive. If you need to feed your arm to have permanent nerve damage just so it doesn’t kill you is total BS! The most decorated beast of a Dutch yet non handler aggressive police K9 in Ct history (mine) broke the stereotype that you need a psychotic beast to be a real working dog. Literally ripped and ate flesh off suspects but did not dare challenge my authority. Just saying
I had a serious GSD that was dominant. He was ALWAYS testing me and challenging me. It is VERY exhausting and even more exhausting. Dogs like Mace are not for most people.
Mace looks just like my Czech GSD, just with different colours. Your advice, using Mace as an example, has been incredibly helpful in my training my dominant Blockhead. He’s also a “big playful goof” until he put teeth in me! 🤣 He will always be a spicy goofball blockhead, but watching your videos and listening to your advice has meant he will be with us until he’s old, grey, and reaches his natural end. He won’t be given up on, he won’t be discarded, our dog is with us for life, not just until they become a handful! 😁👍
Thank you for updating s on Mace. Been hoping you would. Mace is Mace and is not the cup of tea for most people. He is made for specific work and specific boundaries and structure
I had a Siberian Husky who had a high drive and had this same personality. I was putting him and my Rottweiler in their kennels in the winter, I slipped and fell, my Siberian immediately came at my neck, if my Rottweiler wasn't there, I would have been severely injured. My Rottie protected me against the attack. I believe Siberians to be "safer" than Dutch Shepherds but i can definitely understand the dog trying to take advantage of a situation when they are trying to be dominant. My Siberian was very difficult to train and tested me constantly. I never let my guard down with him after that and made sure my Rottie was by my side when dealing with him. Great video and explanation.
I had a similar dog, a husky mix with a serious attitude and drive. Could never ever let him 'win' a standoff. Lucky for me he was all bluff and never took it to a real bite
Really appreciate the honesty & transparency Haz. A lot of trainers would shy away from explaining what exactly went down, and probably not even put it out there that anything occurred in the first place. You broke down your diagnosis of what you thought happened in an excellent manner, teaching the likes of me who likes to think they know a lot but no where near as much as yourself! Every day is a day in school, & listening to the likes of you, Larry & Robert Cabral I'm learning so much about working dogs, stuff you would never learn from a book or positive only online course. So a huge thank you 🐶👌 I do believe in a working breed that is a "balanced breed" ex - GS, Collies, even rotties to an extent, would you put Dutch's in the category of breed that is slightly unbalanced because of there unpredictable nature?
Awesome video! One of the best training videos I've seen demonstrating the psychology of these magnificent creatures and what it takes to be a good handler for a dominant high drive working dog. I'm in love with shepherds but had ruled out Mals. Was open to considering a Dutchie - but not now! After watching your channel it looks like a GSD is going to be the best fit. Thank you for your honesty and sharing the realities of these breeds.
Hi Haz, why wasn't Mace put down and did the handler have second thoughts about letting him go? Your off-leash obedience course is simple and effective, it improved my relationship with my dog - thanks.
Sounds like most of what I predicted on the last video was more or less on point lol Mace is just the type of dog who'll take a mile if you give him an inch. Sounds like his attack was more a test for dominance and getting whatever he had in his mind that he wanted (or didn't want). But it does say a lot that he popped right off the bite, the whole incident sounds like it went a lot better than I first assumed it had gone. I've no doubts Mace could've gone a lot further and done more damage if that was actually his intention, considering we've seen what he did to your bicep through a bite suit.
I have a dutchie. She’s the best dog I’ve ever had. I love her so much. ❤. She’s so smart and follows commands so well and protective but calls off the easily.
this is a great video. thank you for taking the time to explain those micro-test behaviors and how those can snowball. my gsd/mal tests me frequently. after seeing this video I will definitely modify how I handle him and what I expect of him. thank you taking the the time to make and upload this video
Just like my Bolo. Might wanna address on another video about “Loving your dog to death, literally.” Can’t give too much affection to these type of dogs, or they take it as a sign of weakness
Great summary and explanation. Would like to know when you were working / training Mace in this video when were you activating the e-collar? Thank you.
The point of just loving a dog (especially one wired to be reactive) being unrealistic is true. There was a wide misconception during COVID, started by many of my local street dog lovers, about these dogs just needing that kind of care to not become reactive since many people wanted to adopt a home companion and shelters were more than happy to sugarcoat the truth of their naturally aggressive or feral traits. But, fast forward to now, lots of the same dogs, unfortunately, got returned or PTS because they "somehow" still became dangerous and adopters didn't know what to do. The lucky few thankfully had professionals (trainers and behaviourists) teaching their owners how to manage them, which was only when people began realising how difficult street dogs actually are. As a result, shelters now educate potential adopters before they really want to adopt, like my family sitting through a 15-minute presentation on the street dogs' natural dispositions and what to do when they start showing. The street dog community may be salty about many fewer street dogs being adopted, but at least more people are responsible for thinking twice about adopting them, even for guarding breeds like Mace.
I prefer Labradors. They want to please you. They want to love on you. They want you to give them a job to do. They want to stay right up under you. And they're not "sissy" dogs. I had a black lab called Shadow and he wasn't quite a year old. I was walking him one night and flipped around on the side walk. He didn't growl. He didn't bark. But he braced and dropped his head with his tail stuck straight out. There was a man that had walked up behind me with a ski mask on. I backed us into a lighted apartment stoop and reached behind me and braced my own leg like I had a gun and looked at the gut eye to eye. Neither of us made a sound. The guy thought better of it and went up the street. Shadow was a beast too, he was big and I'd never seen him like that before or again after that night but my dog had some kill in him. He saved my life that night. I didn't have a gun. 5'2" maybe 120lbs. That guy would have had his way with me had it not been for my dog. Most people don't need dogs that specialize in eating people. If the relationship is there, they'll fight for you. Edited to add: I didn't have a gun...
I've always liked Mace and what he and you have accomplished in your training program. I would not criticize the injured handler or the dog for what happened since I was not there. Good luck with him. I hope that you can keep him if you are able to.
Great video. I'm traveling by RV with my Heeler that has a tendency to be a bit reactive about dog's yapping nearby. I started running place drills with the ball kinda like the earlier part of this video when neighbor dogs bark in the RV park. Totally takes the edge off for my dog. About 5 to 10 minutes and he's ignoring the nonsense around us. Also, very interesting to hear your detailed interpretation on what happened with Mace.
I had an issue like this with a Czech German Shepherd. I was the main handler but he spent a lot of time with my mother and became extremely protective. I was a very green handler at that time so I relied to much on an E-collar
Absolutely beautiful dog- He's honestly probably too much dog for any police department as well... Not quite sure where he fits, but cool to see such a force regardless.
Love your content! I have a reactive 7 month old working line GSD. A lot of which is impulse control issue. Any pointers. I wish you were closer to come to a class!
You just verified my exact thoughts about the Mallenois as a breed. They really need hard work and discipline to be happy. I even read someone calling them Malligators. 😄
Haz, I’ve never dealt with a dog like this and don’t want to lol but I’m curious…what would you do to correct Mace if he did not comply with your commands? I’m asking about pressure as I assume physical pressure may be counter productive? You mentioned vocal pressure - can you speak to proper and safe pressure tactics with dogs like him sometime pls?
i have a rescue 18 month old belgian malenois and she's as sweet as sweet can be. i got her when she was about 8 months and she outgrew the manic biteness and aggression towards her fellow pooches. the only time she reaally gets excited is when she sees a street cat whenever we excercise. she really doesn't care about strangers and unfamiliar dogs but felines really ignites her.
This is all really interesting. More games I can play with my girl. 51/2 year old Malinois, had her since a pup. She loves playing, and loves the ball. I'm looking for new games because we used to play tug alot,, which she loves, but as I've got holder i'm not as strong, and I get ragged around too much, i'm not as up for it as I was a couple of years ago. I usually get accidental injuries, sore arm, scrapes of teeth or nails, not fun for me. None of it is intentional just her boistrous play. She does respect me and listens to me. She has too. But i'm learning so much of the detail with dogs on your channel.
This makes me more grateful for my GSD. He is so good natured with people and so willing to be a part of my family but he will do everything protective related that I need. He may not be as hard hitting or bad to the bone, but he's enough for my family and very capable with the right training. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that level of dog on a daily basis, too much for us. Thank you for posting this video as well as being honest with people. These types of dogs are not general family pets for the average family and should not be handled as such. Hopefully other people watching will think twice before going for a Dutchie.
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@@tyy6161he would play bite as a puppy. I never tolerated it with the boys but it was extremely challenging to get him to stop. At 6 months old we purchased an ecollar and it was a game changer. With the right execution it will do wonders. They playbite a ton until they teeth, just how they express excitement and play being Shepherds. He has growled at the boys twice and those times he was instantly corrected and it honestly was something my children did to invade his space. Hand fed as a puppy off commands established an understood relationship that I'm in charge and control the food, not him. By and large, GSD is an amazing family pet and will protect you with its life if genetically correct with temperament. Very smart, very loyal, very easy to train. That being said, training and socialization is a requirement for these dogs to properly flourish and not be a liability. Done properly, your best friend and second to none. Outstanding dogs.
I have a pretty gnarly gsd and have been around a very gnarly ddr gsd and they are nice but my next dog I want a dog like mace. I know they aren’t for everyone or even hardly anyone but that level of intensity and challenge of working with it excites me. I am good friends with a guy that has a 3yr old dutchie very much like this and he is incredible and dangerous as six shooter in Alex Baldwin’s hand lol.
Anyone thinking of getting one of these needs to watch this. Real talk no BS. I can tell he’s Dutch and Dutch KNPV is what he seems to be which is what mine is and they’re exactly like this. They need a fair firm hand.
I adopted what I thought was a German Shepherd from the shelter at 6 weeks. I think she is a Dutch Shepherd or a Belgian Malinios. She is super sweet but she pushes her boundaries especially with me and my son. She bites and she has body slammed me playing in the yard. She really listens to my husband. She will hide behind me when he tries to discipline her.
I always wanted one as I was in love with my Grandfather Dutch. He brought it from EUROPE TO ARGENTINA. he used to love his dogs he had a few but just one Dutch. I hope to get one and compete with him/her. French ring I hope. Thank you getting the right person as most if not all people are not properly knowledgeable to handle a dog of this caliber.
Watching this video again after all this months just thinking that the system buying a 6 month old youngster is what makes it difficult for the dog to understand body language while not in working modus Keeping Dutchies as a family member and pet i never realized how much time it took me to "train" impulse control playing rough - just because that's what I mostly enjoy to do with them And each of my 3 Dutchies had more than one different triggers which needed to be desensitized No, after all this years I realize it finally And yes, of course I also "work /ed" with all of them daily multiple times, but of course as a non professional and not even for sports Thank you again, hope Mace is still fine, missing updates 😂
Honest question brother. Wouldn’t mace being this unpredictable make it a genetic flaw? How do we know his behavior isn’t because he’s just mentally unstable.and blacked out. I’ve heard of a few owners of duruchies describing how their Dutch shepherd did the same exact thing this dog to them. They just snapped and it turns out it’s a form of seizure. Why breed this dog if he’s that dangerous to handle. Because frankly he’s liable to turn on the handler for any reason and it seems like his list of what triggers him is yet to be discovered fully. I get the whip intense breed and working, but
Our Dutch shepherd is 5yrs old. Absolute unit. Not for all families. We have 4 "difficult breeds" on the ranch: dutch, mali, gsd, and a bull mastiff. The gsd is the boss. She runs the ranch. That being said my boy Dutch is the one who will attack and maul anyone or anything that he does not accept. Especially trespassers....yes he will "powercheck" me from time to time. I expect and welcome it.
Belgian Malinois are sensible and highly trainable dogs. If by selecting agressive dogs or/and brutalising, and rewarding unjustified agression people create monsters attacking the handler it is not because the breed as a whole but because some breeders and brutal raining. For the public dogs breaded and trained to showing high agressivity for competition are not suatable as family dogs and don't represent the breed as a whole. Show line Belgian Malinois can be very good as guard, deffence/ family dogs or farm dogs or Shepherd dogs able to control an corral cattle very well and I know personally one who used to bring back and corral several horses at once from a large pasture.
I have been thinking about him so many times..The video from the Netherlands broke mye heart.. It is so nice to see how he has blossomed.. I actually tought that he was dead by now.. How is his teeth doing? I bet they added to the problem.
