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I know you're not supposed to diagnose a person whom you haven't met, but the aspects about Crowley's personality that Mr. Lachman describes smacks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Viewing himself as exceptional and extraordinary with regard to about any subject (and we find that Narcissists are extremely good at some pursuits), Turning on charm when it suits him, Being cruel to others just as frequently, Never admitting being wrong despite all indications to the contrary, Expecting praise and worship, Never admitting defeat and quickly turns to blaming others for anything going wrong, Having little regard for the feelings of others, Placing himself first in every circumstance, and the list goes on.
*@tyanite1* I left a very similar comment before finding your more detailed post. I even used the word “smacks” - check it out: From a great distance Crowley smacks of a psychological disorder more serious than high-function autism. Maybe closer to narcissism or even sociopathy.
@@BobWidlefish Lets hope people work to better this reality- its not that hard to try and do the right thing, and godspeed to us both, you and me, and its ok to congratulate yourself, so congratulations to you and me, for trying, blessings!!!
The Thoth tarot deck is mind-blowing, as is Crowley's companion book. He may have been insane or selfish, but his mind was singular, his absorption and synthesis of vast knowledge is impressive.
I have an on-growing regard for G. Lachman. I love how he deals with just the heaviest of hitters. One thing that he must be brought back to discuss is the brilliance and dogged exacting dedication that A.Crowley did for Yoga, Magick and Kabbalah. His Magick thought is clean and solid...an unbelievable mind. He is my second in respect only to Eliphas Levi. Gary did a great lecture on Ouspensky which in part has me in a Gurdjieff immersion. Gary Lachman is” Akashic”.....as is “The Mishlove” :>
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And Blondie, don't forget Blondie. My first sort of interest in females was Blondie & Kate Bush....
Let me just say Thank You Jeffrey Mishlove! Thanks you for all of the fantastic enlightning interviews over the years and I hope to be able to show my support and gratitude for your videos
OMGosh!!! I loved your old show and was bummed out that it was gone! Then yesterday I found you again Dr.Jeffrey Mishlove!!! I have been binge watching your videos and loving every minute!! Thanks so much for coming back!!! This was a great episode BTW!🤩
93! In my late teens I was part of a study coven of the New Reformed Order of the Golden Dawn in San Francisco and the beginnings of the Grady OTO....1974ish...Lady Frieda Harris' artwork was an inspiration for my own art. Thank you for reminding me of how our outlook on Crowley was very different at that time....It makes me tired thinking of all of the punk/performance art/underground culture that we participated in incorporating such things....it was important work. .. 93/93/93, etc etc etc.
Crowley's doctor prescribed him heroin for his chest condition in 1920. It wasn't unusual in those times. This was the drug Crowley became addicted to not the drugs he used in his magical experiments. At the end of his life in Hastings it was heroin he was addicted to but his doctor stopped the prescription for it. You might find wikipaedia corrects some of this interview.
I confess I only watched part of this. When the conversation turned to Crowley's confession of being Satanic, I decided I don't want to let that into my subconscious, and quit watching. However, I watched enough that I feel it will be beneficial to share with you a theory I've worked out during the past couple of years: I've become convinced, that insanity as a disruption of rationality in world view, is always potentially contagious - and, that once transferred, it can adopt "masks" who details differ from the original infection. Nietschze was mentioned during this interview, and I believe he's an excellent case in point. After creating philosophical works which earned him a place in history, he went mad. Madness is frequently quite clever at contriving arguments distorting the nature of reality &/or its details. That's part of why it frequently succeeds in defeating the normal defenses of the mind. It's my contention, that this insanity which came to control him at the end of his life was present as a deterministic influence over the contents & reasonings of his philosophical works when he was younger. Nietschze seems to get the credit for contriving the idea of a "superman", as a superior instance or evolution of humanity. I believe that the superman concept was a central feature, product of his illness. As an avenue of transmission, others read his philosophies, whereupon they were infected. After infection, the illness adapted to the new host, mutating to blend in. I believe this is what happened to Aleister Crowley. Another instance I can point at, is Ayn Rand. In the cases of both Crowley & Rand, after infection, the madness unfolded like a zip file, and led to the compulsion to write out the details of how & why the superior being was exempt from the strictures of social conscience, and social responsibilities. This can be analogized as completion of a germination period, followed by release of spores. In the case of Ayn Rand, she became the primary apologist for the parasitic class - and via that avenue of transmission, the madness found its way into an entire generation of elites. I believe that as an unrecognized contagion, the descendants of the original madness are responsible for a large portion of the crises and abuses in today's world.
@@jameskay3715 , there's no way of knowing where these infection/infestations began. There are several possible models to explain such malfunctions, and at the current time there's no way of knowing which model is true in which case. I believe that's something psychiatrists will still be grappling with 200 years from now, IF we survive that long. One model contends that the malfunctions are of a nature similar to Archons, and undergo evolution while within a host. Within that model, the Archons originally began as minor neuroses, and evolved in place within the original host, possibly attaining malevolent sentience, before transferring "seed" infections into others. There are theories that the Archons can "jump" to a new host. Now, was Ayn Rand infested by an Archon? Or, Crowley? Or, Nietzche? Or, were these merely instances of severe O/C complex, finding fertile psychiatric soil for infecting others, within the zeitgeist of our times? No way to tell...
@@jameskay3715 : Yes. It's my opinion that from a shamanistic approach, the illness of alcoholism definitely IS a "demon" infesting the alcoholic. The demon isn't within the alcohol, per se - but, the alcohol is a phenomenological "doorway" through which the demon can enter the human; the creation of a weak point in the person's psychophysical defenses, which matches being vulnerable to the vibrational characteristics of the demon.
Dear viewers, if you watch this interview and disagree with anything I say, please remember that one of the few redeeming characteristics of Crowley's difficult personality was his sense of humour. He had one in spades. If you are a fan, a Thelemite, or simply like him to bits, keep this in mind. And if you feel an urge to emulate him, start there. Love, and do what thou wilt, as St. Augustine, Rabelais, and William Blake did long before the Beast got around to it.
Crowley's cruelty to others, including the fatal mistreatment of his own offspring, place him strictly off limits for me. Lachman cites historical notoriety as some measure of success, but in my view that is meaningless. He died broke, miserable, and alone, so one must ask: how strong, how good, how meaningful was his supposed "magic"?
@@vootamu1 It should also be noted that Crowley often indulged in drugs that enhanced or created entities of his own imagination. That being said, let me offer you some pointers that may or may not be the bigger reality on what went on (it is always wise to think on the flip-side) A) Spirits (of good or bad intention) summoned by Mr. Crowley was a product of his own imagination and not visible to any one else at the Loch Ness that day. B) Housemaid left because of poor working conditions or personal related matters C) Workman had personal issues and finally lost touch with reality (happens every day, psych wards fill up, so do depression clinics) D) Local butcher had an accident The way I see it Crowley was a mad-man, nothing more nothing less. If drugs did it, or a difficult upbringing did it is neither here nor there. I do not deny that spirits are possible and that there is more to our reality than meets the eye, actually, I know there are more than what meets the eye. I also know a self-proclaimed satanist when I see one, and I have yet to meet one that is somewhat normal. Also I am here watching this because I follow this channel and I love Jeffrey Mishlove's work and dedication.
I find the discussion in the comments more informative and interesting then this interview. No disrespect Jeffery ✨! Lachlan Rambles and seems a bit unhinged.
Thanks for the new content, Jeffrey. Loving these talks. I'd like to note, "Do what thou wiilt" was also somewhat plucked from Francois Rabelais in his "Gargantua & Pantegruel" Tales.
Thank you both. The story of a Boy with a Privileged Upbringing who rebounded at age 11 following the death of his father, embarked on A Hedonistic Fools journey through the Highs & Lows of the Major Arcana of the Tarot...
Once again Jeffery sums it all up with a smile .... " ...Based on Crowley the person or Crowley the myth ? ..... " Another larger then life interview. Thumbs Up !
Interesting to hear this side of it. I've listened to Lachman for awhile now and had some excerpts from his speeches in a documentary about Crowley I've made on my own channel, but this feels a lot more intimate where he can get what he's saying across a little bit more. Good interview
I love listening to Gary, he's so knowledgeable on things of the Occult. Great talk on Crowley, but it just skims the surface.....but that's ok. Gary, if you're reading this, have you ever considered writing a book on Plotinus and Neo Platonism and it's influence on the occult, from the renaissance to Blake and beyond?
The greater the trial the greater the triumph, I read somewhere he holds world records for mountain climbing and was able to play 3 games of chess at the same time blindfolded I believe that counts as far as being a successful magician
Likely that was a gig he did to be able to pay rent and put aside a buck for the future. Not much spiritual input from that scene I'd imagine. I hear him tell a short story about meeting Bowie, which was a downer so to speak.
Love your channel! I was pretty surprised that Kenneth Grant wasn't ever mentioned though...it would be cool if you made a presentation documenting MAAT majick and Typhonianism with someone activity involved/practicing said rituals
I fear that would be a waste of time since these people have their mind set from the start; They don't want to take into account that Crowley was onto something of value. It would shatter their beliefsystem.
agreed..this was one of the most superficial takes on Crowley that ive seen in a long while.. I suppose it will still appeal to many, but not to those with a deeper understanding on the man and his teachings...
One of the best talks I've heard along time. Thank you so much, guys put aside out own opinion or what we hear about Crowley, the fact he awakened us to the fact Magick exists and all is possible. That's what I find is far out. The tarot deck that he created with such skill and pure understanding of how it/society/ the universe works consciously says it all. We all carry trauma from childhood no doubt but this man was aware of a level of pure understanding of how to manipulate our own reality. Only my opinion. thank you kindest Love and light
The British class system was highly stratified at the time of Crowley’s life. He was from lower middle class stock and therefore no amount of money would’ve bought him the title of gentleman. I think partly this informed his personal philosophy; held back by societal forces, no matter how brilliant or willfull
It remains stratified, though the general prosperity that the upper working class down to underclass enjoy, they forget that there are members of other social strata whose circles would not converge. The middle and upper middle class are not only more sound economically, they're psychologically primed for a better life. The working class, whose outlook and long-term plan for the future is non existent have become the majority, and as sad as it is to think about, you need look at WWI to see how we solved that problem before.
Very fascinating! And just the other day I was showing several of my guitar students the Ozzy song "Mr. Crowley" (actually about Aleister Crowley) because of the fantastic guitar work in it by Randy Rhoads. Synchronistic..
I, actually, have a much simpler take on Crowley, Blavatsky and people like them. I think, their spiritual gifts largely came from their severe mental disturbance. Mental illness and the gift of spiritual vision often come together, because mental illness often makes the veil separating the linear and the non-linear sides of reality very thin. That's why those people are able to perceive what others can't. This is not necessarily a "psychic" ability, though it could be that as well. This is a spiritual vision that can perceive the big archetypal life themes, which is very different from psychic visions that have to do with very specific situations.
So everyone I write about had "severe mental disturbance"? Does that include Jung? I mention him because you speak of "big archetypal themes." We know Jung underwent a "creative illness," as did Swedenborg, Steiner, Blavatsky and quite a few others. But this isn't the same as saying that someone's "spiritual gifts largely came from their severe mental disturbance." That kind of gift is rather a white elephant. While all of these people certainly went through profound crises, to say that their spiritual insights were really little more than evidence of mental imbalance seems rather limited.
@@GaryLachman It is sufficient to point out that while her statement appears like a causal assertion (science), its logical form is a value claim (aesthetics), even if she intends something to do with brain wave patterns, for instance.
There is nothing of the future, to regard, or of good report as to mental illness. It is something to be transcended. Mastery must entail to be integrated / whole. On the other hand, what folks often take for insanity is instead a holy madness
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Once again Jeffrey, great conversation. I've been waiting for a Crowley episode when i watched these regularly. Great interviewer and guest for such a great topic.
So if we put all of the facts together, we have a man, Aleister Crowley, who inherits a lot of money and decides to align himself with demons, but messes that up, big time because he can't stick to a six month ritual-then AC decides to be a sexual predator / pervert and a heroin fiend, manipulating anyone he can for his own selfish pleasures and perversions. Here we are decades later writing books about him and making movies. Im trying to understand why we glorify this man, because as hard as I try, I can find nothing about him and the things he did that benefit humanity in any way. If any one can help me find something positive, spiritual or enlightening about him please send the information my way. thank you
Most of Crowley’s published poetry was not held in very good esteem - some were debauched limericks and others contrived attempts at Baudelaire-Ian verse. But Crowley’s “Rosa Mundi” (named after his second wife[???] Rose; she under went a trance while on honeymoon with Crowley (Frater Perterabo) in Egypt that led to Crowley’s satori that would change his life again (his mountain climbing was another apex point). Interesting man, that Laird of Boleskine!
Hey Jeffrey and Gary! PLEASE revisit the complex relationship between Crowley, Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard. The fact that they were all roommates in a rock n roll mansion is amazing, the story should really be a movie. Keep up the good work!!
Sounds good, except that Crowley was living in a boarding house named Netherwood on the English coast at the time. But he was certainly in touch with Parsons, who though Hubbard the most Thelemic person he had ever met - or something along those lines.
Thanks for clearing that up! I figured you’d know more about that whole situation than anyone. Your insights on all these people are appreciated more than you know!
I always enjoy the discussions with Gary Lachman, but I still don't understand much about Aleister Crowley. What did he think it meant to cross over to the "other side"? Apparently he didn't think of himself as doing evil, but what did he think he was doing? What was he trying to show/prove? How did the members of the Order of the Golden Dawn think of "magic" and how was that different from Crowley's approach? Basic questions such as those weren't broached in this interview, leaving the uninitiated, myself at least, confused.
What’s going on with all the ads?! I have been a subscriber to NTA for many years, have watched hundreds of videos and one of the real bonuses-apart from the fabulous content - was a lack of ads. I do hope this is not a new trend…
Lachman may have written a book on Crowley and I’ve no idea how good it is but he seems to lack even a basic understanding of what ‘do what thou wilt...’ means. How can he miss something so fundamental to understanding Crowley?
He also had a huge influence on popular culture ,people like Bowie,john Lennon,ozzy Osborne and jimmy page especially ,mr Crowley by ozzy covers him too,you should do one on rock n roll and the 60s 70s counterculture ye we’re both part of, could intersperse ol stories with what brought you here Gary is a walkin talkin encyclodia of this stuff Wishing U more success with your work So you should interview Mitch horowitz who knows everything about this stuff too There’s obviously some magic at work here with this tech utopia/dystopia Depends how u look at it Do what thou wilt,harm none
Around 11 minutes in mentions Crowley wanting to be known. From what I’ve read and understood from his “auto hagiography “ I don’t believe that all, he aimed to exert a more behind the scenes influence and he did accomplish that. This interview seems a little “lightweight”
Every time I’m rocking out to Blondie on the radio now, I think of these esoteric chats between Gary and Jeffrey...good stuff, fellas. Crowley was, like nearly everyone, a complex character. He likely thought of himself as “beyond good and evil,” but the question is...do we see him that way? And, whatever our answer to that question, what does that reveal about our beliefs and prejudices? Personally, I’m a fairly libertine spirit, but I think anyone would be hard pressed to justify things like letting your fellow mountaineers perish. There’s being liberated and then there’s being a callous, sadistic narcissist-Crowley probably oscillated somewhere in between.
I've come up with a Physics interpretation of Thelema, Hait being a Planck unit or cell, being itself a combination of the Planck Era & Planck Length & Nuit as Mch's Principle the Inertia Mass of the Universe & there relation is that of a Kleine Bottle.
Jack Parsons died at 37 and he has a crater on the dark side of the moon at 37° coordinates. A713N All of the coordinates at area 51 start with 37°. The extraterrestrial highway 375 is near area 51. Look up Charles Fleisher, he is a comedian that talks about 37.
This is a skewed interview that overdoes Crowley's sensationalism while not even touching upon the Book of Law. Lachman cannot even name the magickal grades of the Tree of Life off the top of his head. It's not bad, just very stereotypical.
He didn't want to attempt a rescue for the dissenting party on that expedition, because it would have endangered himself and the rest of the group. Sacrificing oneself for the stupidity and blunders of others was against the core of his philosophy. Can't say I disagree with Crowley even in that regard, but those who wear Christianity on their sleeve would probably find issue with that. Christians value the notion of self-sacrifice to an unhealthy extreme lol. Sex, Drugs, Poetry & Music are an ancient magical formula. Crowley just brought it to light in the modern era. Why just talk about his heroin and cocaine use or emphasize that? He was in fact a psychedelic pioneer who integrated the disciplines of magick and meditation with those altered states of consciousness. He was using hashish for yogic meditation and peyote solution for various visionary rituals.
That's one interpretation of "Every Man & Every Woman is a Star!", another is that, as he spelt MAGICK, with 6 letters not five the hexagram rather than the pentagram is indicated, & I would suggest further that it's a hexagram composed of the triangles of air & earth as the magician is in the astral above & the female is in the physical below, as symbolized by "Love is the Law, Love Under Will!", this is the principle of spagyrics in alchemy meaning separate & combine. Put another way "Let the Soul be Separated from the Body to Rise Upon the Planes & with Magickal Intent Fixed Firmly in Mind, Recombined!"
I was just at Boleskine House on Loch Ness.....I loved it there! People told me all these bad things about it and how bad/ creepy it feels....but I didn't feel anything bad there. I think those people are just bringing their own baggage with them and blaming it on that beautiful area. I see why Crowley headed the protest in the area to stop the loggers from clear cutting. The trees are the most wonderful trees in the UK. I did Crowley's "Star Ruby" ritual in the front yard which was a real treat....
I never ceases to amaze me how much people want to believe in evil hoo haa, and I say this coming from Christianity. I myself would love to visit there
Although it will sound like it, No offense is meant here... This is a very superficial take on the life of Crowley and does Not show a deeper understanding of the man or his teachings...Alot of talking here that reveals very little of the man and his true teachings
The Golden Dawn was Hermetic, Masonic, Rosicrucian, Kabbalistic, Martinist, & taught Enochian magic, Tarot, Astrology, Alchemy (though not much), Astral projection (skrying on the spirit vision & rising on the planes), the last practice I believe, being central to the O.T.O.'s sexual magick.
@@GaryLachman ok maybe that explains the mundane horribly pedantic sleep inducing discussion I just listened too. You were in a punk band ?! That's why I'm glad I grew up with post punk music better known as "hardcore" much more visceral and in your face just like Crowley.
@@mikekallos9248 No, it's "They haunt You Tube sites because they haven't got a life." It's early yet and the shops are still open. Run out, you have time to get one.
@@GaryLachman dude you are a writer that's all you have damn I was waiting for something good!! Yes I'm a bore with no life just sit in my mom's basement. You go right for the cliches I see or is it tropes help me.writer boy.
As far as Crowley goes well sometimes the seed of awakening is planted into a certain kind of psychic soil and the fruit it bears is not to everyone's taste. Crowley was no psychopath however. I think his teachings are ok but I'm not a Thelemite
@@Norell88 heh heh, do excuse me for commenting that I mean no ill will... I had his notorious devil may care attitude in mind and occasionally, just once a brief while, I confess envy of such a manner although I hasten to add I'd be unlikely to act out any of the thoroughly depraved deeds we're informed he indulged in I'd be grateful for a ten percent increase in courage.... 😊
I agree... not my cup of tea... either. Waay to much credit is given to him for sooo many things. He was good at creating compelling images, and promoting himself. Sure, if you want to create a believable maniacal, charming, magical manipulator for you book/movie... sure.... he serves as an effective template for that. Loving the naughty boy? I admire the naughty boy when you find out that the naughty boy is an actual compassionate person that gets into trouble for bucking authority structures that are unfairly restrictive. Inspiration for the 60's counter culture? Maybe the perverted failed version as shown by the Manson Family. I'm happy to have NEVER known him... I already know too many people that are just like him.... At my age, I've learned to recognize their personality traits and stay faaaar away. Great conversation anyway! I do greatly admire Gary Lachman. If it was anyone else doing the conversation about AC... I would have passed.
@Marc Bell .... I can imagine a hypothetical situation where I'm offered an opportunity to "explore the beautiful indigenous cultures of Hispaniola with our guide.... Christopher Columbus". That's exactly how I feel about Crowley. Like Columbus, he was a plunderer, everything (everyone) he touched turned to shit. Bold, adventurous, intelligent, and curious.... sure, but he was a "taker" and predator. This fact gets downplayed, as if it's an eccentric personality quirk that doesn't diminish his accomplishments. I question "his accomplishments". How can someone so blind as Crowley help anyone "see" ANYTHING. I'm sure if you were to sit in a room full of conquistadors, rapping about alll the marvelous places they've been.... I'm sure we'd be dazzled, hearing about the peoples they've enslaved, murdered and dismembered. They would assert (with absolute confidence) their "understanding" about "how things work over there".... but to me, it's all suspect on account of their personal agendas, and blind cruelty. Crowley's story has become an artifact of history, way overblown in importance (IMHO). To me, he occupies a similar slot as L.R. Hubbard, or Anton Lavey (but way less exalted) ;-).
Within, the modern Rose Crucian societies Around the Globe he was definitely considered A “Pioneer” but A character with A larger then life Ego that made him stray definitely from the path to liberate ones ‘True Self’ He served his Ego Self, stimulated by the adorations of many ‘Seekers’ that where impressed by his Self-Believe, Whe have seen many examples where this went horribly wrong; Manson, Moon, Koresh and even the seekers around Bhagwan, Power corrupts, Crowley moved in elite power circles, Secret service etc. Of course such A figure would inspire upstart adolescents seeking for A meaning of live sadly damaging fellow brothers and sisters that take these corrupted/disturbed figures as role models.....I know Pioneers need to swim against the stream, I was A Youth Singer in A Punkband turned my path around into A student into A Rosy-crucian school and broke Away long ago from this ‘elitist’ because I believe Live is the school Itself! Actually the founder of the schools first book stated “Do not follow Me” (In the Spirit of Jiddu Krishnamurti ) It took me 15 years to go on my own path. At least I did learn valuable lessons on the “Universal knowledge” and did not encounter Darkness in this movement, but couldn’t bare the sheepish behavior following deceased Grandmasters....Is It right that such A perverted, twisted legacy by A self-destructive figure is the inspiration to our world? I think It is pure Darkness once You use hidden knowledge for Your own purpose, Manipulating novices into sex or satanic rituals Like Crowley and so many others did in the name of Spiritualdevelopment! Sadly these practices are A problem in the power circles of Hollywood, Music industry, Fashion, Finance and Politics!
