The Mahasuvi language's Rohruri dialect, casually spoken | Wikitongues 

U should also make videos on Other Western pahadi Dialects of Western Pahadi Family like Bhattiyali,Chambeali,Churahi, Pangwali, Bhaderwahi,Kulluvi,Mandeali,Kyonthali,Kahluri,Baghati,Poguli,poonchi etc.

@@Xhauej they don't make it by themself. They get these videos from volunteers. U can submit it if u r a speaker of any one of these langs.

Hey!! You were the one who wanted to make a Mahasuvi course in duolingo!

You are the admin of Mahasuvi Tales, right?

Thanks for adding the translation. Being a Garhwali, I could understand some of the words.

@@oskarmusgrave1410 they really need to add more south asian languages in duolinngo like urdu, bengali, telugu, tamil, malayalam, and other endangered languages other than the 2 they have in africa and random conlangs 😭

Thank you so much! Is there a way that I could contact you? I had some questions regarding the language (mahasuvi).

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@@AlexanderDumb Thanks for the notification, those weren't there when I first watched it.

Wow wonderful आप कहां से हैं भाई?

@@sapnathakur3096 Rampur Bushahr ✌️

@@dixitkhaush9252 aapka pahari mein comment padhkar accha laga brother Main Sirmour se hun and kuch kuch hamari jaisi dialect hai aapki

@@sapnathakur3096 ooh acha! Thank you...

nah he isn't using a lot but a lil as his gen is next as gen changes lang just gets mixed up

Yes the current generation has started to mix Hindi-Urdu in their Pahadi lects but Pahadi in its pure form would not really use any Hindi or Urdu words as they are all older than both Hindi and Urdu. Hopefully all Pahadi lects of Himachal and Uttarakhand get officially recognised so they can be preserved.

@@Zun_00 ​ @Unknown Its quite hard to get it officialy recognized as there multiple of them from diff communities and tribes . It's the same for all hilly regions fr eg NE has like 140 - 200 different languages if u consider tribal languages but the kids in todays gen just know English and the main language may it be meitei , nagamese , manipuri and other such languages . But yeah enough research and recordings can be done to preserve them . As people go from lower class to mid and upper mid they usually forget their original local langugae , untill it's not used in their home as mother tongue . Nowadays parents generally use the common languge or hindi as mother toungue so its quite hard to preserve these languages . Me myself dont really know how to fluently speak my original language as hindi was taugt to me 1st although i can understand it very well but my fluency is not like the people who live in my village or who use it as mother tongue . So gen gap and modernization with getting promoted to higher class is a big thing which basically act as a fuel in making these langugaes disappear . U can't balme the parents too , as if u want to get to high sataus u have to adopt to the socient and u should know the main languages spoken in your states and used for work . The local langugaes basically have no use these days , these days knowing foreign langugages has much more importance than knowing any local language , it also increase ur salary to a good certain amount

@@HOPE-wg5pb Yes but we need to start somewhere. Lower Himachalis can still understand each other as their lects have lots of similarities so they can pick a standard lect to teach the lower Himachali districts. I am using the term "lects" as it's debated if the Pahadi lects of Himachal are all different languages or dialects of the same language however one thing is for sure, that is that they form a continuum. I disagree on the part that that learning regional languages is useless. Himachal is one of the states which has no external influence from all the invasions our country has faced and we take a lot of pride in that. If we can't even save our languages then soon we'll let go of the culture too. Our ancestors didn't preserve our languages and culture for us to just replace it some day. We do speak Hindi as a secondary language as it's taught in schools and it is helpful around India however it's not good to see one's own language as useless. Also, it's unfair for the Indo-Tibetan tribes to be told to forget their native languages and just learn Hindi. Why can't they teach us our native tongues and Hindi at the same time? Most Indians speak more than 1-2 languages but they start to forget their mother tongues and only learn Hindi then this will just be boring.

@@Zun_00 Well i agree , we can teach next gen our regional language and there is nothing wrong in that but i still stick to the point that learning and getting "each" tribal language recognised is basically of no use there days. We can surely preserve them in video form or by noting and saving the script used and common words spoken by talking to the locals etc. And well as u said that most indians know 2 languages 3 ( inculding english ) . yes its right but apart from hindi and english the 3rd language should be the one which is widely spoken across a particural large area so people use it to communicate . What's the use of a language which you can only use to communicate with your family . So i was talking with a perspective of NE indian region . If you go to other states they have a particualr language which they speak in that whole state and communicate in that their is nothing wrong in learning that but if you go to nagaland each tribe has diff language , so basically their is literally no use of learning a language spoken by only 2000-3000 people . as i said in my comment that - if u want to get to high status u have to adopt to the society and u should know the main languages spoken in your states and used for work . I didn't deny that learning the common language ( usually 2-4 with diff dialects) used in state is wrong . I just was speaking through a perspective of NE indian as i lived their for several years and know that people their dont really know their language as they have to move to big citites for higher education and settle there . But as generation keep on increasing the local langugae just diminishes as u dont really have anyone to talk to in that language I am sorry i didnt focus on word lect , but if those are different language i am pretty sure its really hard to get it officially recognised .If they are dialects and just 2-4 languages then you can say about giving a recognition. Well i am really happy to find a knowledgeable person here on YT who want to really talk in detail . We can continue this further if u disagree. I agree with your answer as its from perspective of himachal . But i still stick to my points by perspective of a NE indian .

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In Himachal we use word ridiyaan/dhar for mountains

@@sugarrrr_crushh Over here, Dhar means more of "Mountain top", some places have names ending with Dhar... Indicating that the place is at some height.

Can get the words v easily! It’s not only similar to typical gadwalhi but totally similar to bangani/jaunsari dialect.

I am a Western- Garhwali speaker. I understood like 99%. As I am familiar with a western pahari as well, can also be a reason.

We have similar words in western in Pahari, like Mandyali. Hyun= snow Garh= collect Some words like Look= hide Dhakh= a little Kho= at/of Ra= of Bathi= at (place) Etc are the same across western Pahari, and maybe even garhwali I think.

I've added it now. Turn on the subtitles.

@Aniket Chauhan oh my goodness thank you so so much! 🤍

We would love to work with speakers of a Matacoan language! But Rohruri Mahasuvi is Indo-European :)

Depends. I myself am Pahari, with similar language, but I believe my English is more closer to American.

Probably they have Russian accent

I know right! Some words are just like Bengali

Only the tone is similar

Really?

You'll be surprised that when I first time listened Bangla language, I somehow could understand the language and I too thought it is bit similar to pahadi language (little bit). But with different tone....

Lol, it's nothing like Bangali

Some parts sound like Georgian too

It also has some Farsi words. Also, notice that the place is called Shimla but he said Shimleh like شمله

@@arghachowdhury The Pahadi lects of Himachal don't really have any Farsi influence. You might be able to understand some of it since he used many Hindi-Urdu words but in its pure form, even other Himachalis would find it hard to understand it all. In fact, some lects of Shimla and Kullu also have adopted Tibetan words since they border Lahaul & Spiti and Kinnaur where Indo-Tibetan languages are spoken although very few and vice versa too- Lahaul & Spiti and Kinnaur have adopted quite a few words from Kullui and Shimla lects.

@@Zun_00 Some Farsi loanwords are used in upper (and lower) Himachali Pahari languages. And none of the native Pahari dialects of Shimla or Kullu have adopted any Tibetan words. It is the other way around. Kinnauri and Lahuli dialects have adopted multitude of Indo-Aryan words.

@@username41981 There are very few Persian words in our Pahadi lects compared to other languages as our languages and culture has remained untouched from any external influence. Yes, some of Kullu and Shimla lects do have some Bodish etc. loanwords but there aren't many. Just like that, the Indo-Tibetan languages of Kinnaur and Lahaul & Spiti too have taken words from some of the Kullui and Shimla lects.

Hyu is actual snow word in all over Himalayas. Barf is persian word. And sheesh is Kashmiri.

And Nepali(language )ansecetor is old Kumauni language (spoken in Katyuri kingdom). That' why so many similarities. And Katyuri kingdom was from Jammu to Central Nepal.

Yep

Lol, it's nothing like Nepali or Tibetan.

@@username41981 Nepali is a khas pahari language so actually it does have a strong resemblance to it

@@sonam1959_ There is no "strong resemblance" to Nepali. And how the hell did you even call it Nepali Tibetan mix ? There is not even a zilch of Tibetan element in Mahasui. You're utterly clueless about Pahari languages of Himachal. Mahasui and all other Pahari lects of Himachal are part of Western Pahari group and Nepali is part of Eastern Pahari group. Both groups are separated by Central Pahari group of languages spoken in Uttarakhand (Garhwali-Kumaoni). Mahasui doesn't even have a strong resemblance to Garhwali (nearest Central Pahari lect) and you're comparing it with much farther Nepali. There exist sharp variations among the Pahari dialects of middle Himalayas, so much that even neighboring dialects can sound very much different. Mahasui is much more closer to Hindi and Punjabi than it is to Nepali, lol. The only Indian Pahari lect with any significant similarity with Nepali is Kumaoni spoken in Kumaon region of Uttarakhand that borders far western part of Nepal.

​@@username41981 I've heard Garwhali and Nepali are almost mutually intelligible. As someone who has lived in Himachal almost my whole life, I definitely hear elements of Nepali in this language, you have deep rooted issues to be offended over someones opinion. Whether nepali is eastern Pahari or central or whatever, it still falls under the Pahari branch of languages, so Mahasuvi, Garhwali, and Nepali would probably collectively have more in common with one another than Hindi and Punjabi... On the contrary, to me this sounds absolutely nothing like Punjabi or Hindi in my opinion. As for why I brought up Tibetan, it sounds like Kinnauri, makes sense since they live in close geographical proximity with the speakers of the Mahasuvi language

@@sonam1959_ I don't have any deep rooted issues nor am I offended by your opinion. I'm just astonished by the sheer level of overconfidence with which you are making wildly ignorant and half-baked claims here. You might have lived almost your whole life in Himachal but you're still an outsider to Shimla hills and possibly entire Himachal with a poor knowledge of its native cultures (no offense). Conversely, I am a native Pahari of upper Shimla hills. My hometown is less than 100 km from Rohru, the main town of the region the "Rohruri" dialect featured in this video is native to. And my own native dialect is extremely similar to this dialect in every respect, yet has many differences. I can clearly observe affinities of both my native dialect and Rohru dialect with vernacular Hindi and Punjabi and even with Garhwali but close to none with Nepali which I get to hear quite often as there are thousands of Nepali migrant labourers in our region (I know the difference between Indo-Aryan Nepali and Sino-Tibetan Nepal Bhasa). This is quite logical as Mahasuvi speaking region is much nearer to Hindi and Punjabi speaking regions than Nepali speaking region. And "Pahari" is just a generic and vague term for Northern Indo-Aryan languages spoken across Mid-Himalayas and Shivaliks from Jammu hills to Sikkim. By your logic, even Dogri Pahari of Jammu and Kangra is closer to Nepali spoken 1000-1500 km away than Punjabi spoken 100 km away. I can engage in a more detailed and logical discussion with you on this if you wish.

Jammu's Dogra belt doesn't really have similarities with upper Himachal. Upper Himachali Pahadi is completely different from Dogri. The Dogra belt of Jammu are only really similar to parts of lower Himachal like Kangra, Una and some parts of Hamirpur culturally and linguistically. The people of Churah Valley in Chamba have similarities with Bhaderwahis and the people of Pangi in Chamba are related to Kishtawaris.

​@@Zun_00So what makes u Think Linguistics Put all these as Western pahadi? We know The Border language had Some Differences. But that is like a family has Taller medium and Short starture people doesnt mean they are not related to each other. They are under same category because in deep antiquity they are origined from one or same Ancestral prakrit language

@xyz Did you even read what I said? Jammu and Himachal don't have one language but multiple different languages and this guy was clearly talking about Dogri in his comment. They can have the same root but it doesn't mean all those languages are similar. Upper Himachali Pahadi lects are not similar to Dogri at all- go listen to Chidiye, Mole Re Molaye, Chadkuli or any Tharah Kardu songs and tell me if you understand even a single word. That was what I was trying to say. Also, majority of Himachalis aren't Dogras and Himachal is definitely not similar to Pathankot or any other region of Punjab so why mention it? I bet you would have barely understood whatever was spoken in this video either. Yes they are all Western Pahadi languages but there is no need to exaggerate the similarities. Just because they come under one language family doesn't mean they can be understood by each other.

@@Zun_00 who the fuck told you Pathankot was punjab it was part of Kangra even during british time it was earlier Capital of Nurpur ruled by Pathania pahadi Rajas but After division of British made Punjab The pro punjabists like Sikhs claimed that if Pathankot like una are given tu Himachal then they would left no Hill station In Future thats why Centre Remained it to be part of Punjab. If we draw a Straight Linguistics Border from Kangra to Jammu as of dogra even then it would came under the Western pahadi Group The only thing is that in Present time half of the people there are Migrants from Sialkot while native pahari Dogra rajputs move to sialkot after 1947 and Even Then many Hindu Rajput clans there are pahadi but Many of them have adopted and have adjusted with Punjabi Identity.

@@Zun_00 as a Himachali and Speaker of Bhattiyati Dialect of Chamba which is Intermediate of Kangri,Dogri,Churahi and Gaddi. I can understand Dogri,Gaddi,Chambeali as well as,Mandeali,Kahluri Shimla Dialects are also Understandable but only in lower extant Because of their High Grammatical differences and not of Voccabulary because Majority of Western pahadi have nearly similar Voccabulary. Churahi,Pangwadi have 80% similar structure because a Churahi can understand Pangwadi very well just like a Chambeali or dogri person can understand mandeali,Kangri and Kahluri

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No its not similar to bangla

He was speaking very slowly & clearly to be fair.

Oh really Which dialect is yours?

Mine is Mandyali-suketi dilect. I could find a lot of similarities, and understand stuff. What's your dilect?

Kumauni is i would say the easiest Pahadi language out there if you can understand Hindi.

@@superboy3633 kumaoni isn't my native dialect . although can understand kumaoni . But my original dialect is way tough than this language.

LOL

You ignorant american, he is in Rohru, Shimla, India, and is speaking the language of Rohru. Atleast read the caption

He isn't in America dumbo

People know English, they can learn English anytime, at any age, it's resources are abundant. They are loosing Pahari, it's their culture, rare language, and can't be learnt just anytime as easily.

You are one of the most ignorant people I have seen on the internet. He is literally speaking his native language in a place that is the furthest away from America in India.

He is not in America