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The Making of Marilyn Monroe's Very Meta Last Film 

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In this video I talk about how The Misfits dissects, subverts, and mirrors Marilyn’s star persona, some of those behind-the-scenes-scandals, and why The Misfits is the strangest, most foreboding meta-commentary on her career that exists.
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@JennyNicholson
@JennyNicholson 2 года назад
I tell you if I died and my ex wrote a play about his idea of me he'd never know peace again, it'd be that scene from Annette on the shore
@bananawal8215
@bananawal8215 2 года назад
This was the last place I expected to see Jenny Nicholson, but boy am I happy abt it
@orsino88
@orsino88 2 года назад
Jenny! I love it when my favorites appear in each other’s work and on each other’s threads.
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
Did you know that Arthur Miller, the radical leftwing wealthy HYPOCRITE gave birth to a son with severe autism? After his infant son was born and his mental disabilities became apparent, Arthur Miller, the bleeding heart leftist who wrote a multitude of plays and spent his days and nights lecturing humanity on our "capitalistic greed" and "apathy for our fellow brothers in sisters" - Arthur Miller dumped his own disabled baby into a tax payer funded, run down Govt asylum, and refused to ever visit him, and forbade his wife to bring him home. He only acknowledged his own son ONE TIME when he grew up to be in his 30s. Even after Arthur Miller passed away he screwed him over in his own will. He also refused to pay the institution a single PENNY for the welfare and care of his own son. Flippen rotten jerk. *THATS HOLLYWOOD COMMIES FOR* *YA* 😆
@BeggarsNight
@BeggarsNight 2 года назад
@@yeetnama9094 relax.
@jedgrahek1426
@jedgrahek1426 2 года назад
@@yeetnama9094 Hey. If you want to educate people about these specific evil personal acts of Miller, that's helpful to everyone, and I appreciate now knowing that. However, you seem more interested in using this single issue in one famous person's life to draw grand sweeping generalizations about anyone who ever advocates for anything progressive. That's nothing but a dumb strawman, and anyone capable of thinking for themselves sees that. This is elementary level logic that you are trying to misuse and fool people with. And hijacking Jenny's reply to ensure your irrational right-wing ranting is seen by as many people as possible is nothing but cynical opportunism, as long as your criticisms of Arthur Miller the person are merely being used as a vehicle to attack all leftists. Cause you know it really wouldn't be hard to give you a gargantuan list of right-wingers who were hypocrites in every possible way. tl;dr We can all see right through your asinine maga trash.
@megcapo5425
@megcapo5425 2 года назад
I had no idea she had Endometriosis. People love to glamourize her addiction, but it was probably more like pain management. Since Endometriosis is not being taken seriously now, I can't imagine what its like in the 60s.
@iamcasihart
@iamcasihart 2 года назад
I have Stage 4 Endometriosis. I am 43 and I have suffered since age 12. I went ignored and undiagnosed for…wait for it…*TWENTY FIVE YEARS!* I cannot begin to articulate the amount of condescending, disrespectful, and misogyny I have encountered from dozens of doctors, both male and female. I have been unable to work for over a decade because I suffer so profoundly with debilitating pain which requires strong narcotic pain medication (and with the state of things these days, it’s absolutely exhausting, dehumanizing, frustrating, and downright traumatic to find doctors who will help me to manage my pain). I’ve had multiple surgeries, but nothing has helped. There is no cure for Endometriosis, despite what many incorrectly and ignorantly believe. This illness has, at many times, consumed my life to the point that it certainly exasperates my mental illness. When I learned that Marilyn suffered with Endometriosis, I cried. I cried for how she surely suffered. I cried for her failed pregnancies, a most devastating “side effect” of having this disease. I cried knowing just how painful this is, and the toll it takes on a woman and her entire life. I cried knowing how this disease often makes our weight fluctuate, and it’s very common for us to “look pregnant” because of the inflammation in our pelvis and tummy. I’m not anyone famous, and I’ve been so mortified to be asked when I am due, when I cannot even have children. Imagine living that in the public eye, when you’re already viewed as little more than beautiful product. Finally, I cried because I felt somewhat validated knowing that, if a woman as gifted, special, resilient, and determined as Marilyn could bare this awful disease, I surely must continue to fight, as well. It’s a sisterhood I would never wish for anyone, but a sisterhood nonetheless. Thank you for your compassion and the kindness in your comment. 💛
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
She was likely forced or persuaded into many a hush hush abortions which probably didn't help her any. Especially considering the obstetric medical knowledge they had back then probably wasn't the greatest.
@TheHopperUK
@TheHopperUK 2 года назад
To add to other stories my sister has endometriosis and she wasn't diagnosed until she started trying to get pregnant. Before you're trying to have babies, doctors just do not care about women.
@iamcasihart
@iamcasihart 2 года назад
@@yeetnama9094 A proper abortion by a good doctor has next to no impact on future fertility. I know that she suffered several miscarriages, but I don’t know about abortions.
@iamcasihart
@iamcasihart 2 года назад
@@TheHopperUK Oh my gosh, you are so right! I kid you not- When I was 37 and I’d been bleeding for 9 weeks straight, in agonizing pain, I went to the Emergency Room 5 times and I saw a total of 6 doctors. I literally (the true meaning) had to BEG them to perform surgery on me. The only way to diagnose Endometriosis is via a laparoscopic surgery where they look, remove tissue and place it under a microscope. I had to beg, as I sat there bleeding heavily and writhing in pain. No one would agree to do the surgery. I just wanted the damn diagnosis so I could know and move from there. At an all-Women’s clinic with all female staff, nurses, and doctors, I pleaded with this woman thinking she would empathize. Nope. She said, “You are 37. Why don’t you try getting pregnant?” I replied: “I am single, never married, on disability because of this pain, and I’m in awful pain, plus I’ve been bleeding for over 2 months straight. I’m not in any position or mood to simply get pregnant. Also, I care about MY body and MY health right now. I don’t care about trying to become a mother at this juncture.” The look of disgust and shock on her face was unbelievable. She looked at me like I was sub-human, and certainly not even a real woman. I am not exaggerating. I wish I were kidding. She refused to perform the surgery because it “Could affect your ability to get pregnant and I’m not doing that.” After I’d bared my soul to her. You are right. Making and birthing babies is a big money business, especially here in America. She didn’t give a fuck about women. She gave a fuck about that money. She, and women like her, are the ultimate disgrace to women.
@WOMENOFTROY
@WOMENOFTROY 2 года назад
There is NOBODY doing these sorts of historical cinema profiles on RU-vid with the level of nuance and knowledge that you do. Brilliant work. Truly.
@odorutori
@odorutori 2 года назад
The immense work put into them is palpable from every frame
@ShindlersFiist
@ShindlersFiist 2 года назад
I know. I love this channel ❤️
@evilcaptainred
@evilcaptainred 2 года назад
💯 One of the best here for sure!
@whylogicalthinking
@whylogicalthinking 2 года назад
There are many lol 😂
@krismccarthansonmccart9187
@krismccarthansonmccart9187 2 года назад
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@strawberryswirrl716
@strawberryswirrl716 2 года назад
I can't imagine how hurt Marilyn must've been to have John Huston, someone who she admired because he treated her with respect and understanding throughout her career working with him and to throw her under the bus because of his gambling addiction to save his ass cause he knew the public would eat it up and believe it must've cut DEEP!
@kiasax2
@kiasax2 Год назад
You're right. I have acted and even tried my luck in Hollywood. Let me just say that at one audition that was a private audition that I had gotten, I thought as a result of being in a workshop with the late James Best. He was a fantastic acting coach and taught the really important things you needed to be able to do, memorize dialogue quickly, and other tricks. Nonetheless, when I arrived at the private audition, I was handed sheets, took a few moments to get the scene memorised, and then did the scene. After that I was asked to remove my shirt, which wasn't a big deal. Then, I was asked to remove my pants, and I asked why? And the casting director and the director asked me if I wanted the part or not. I said no and put my shirt on and left. I left LA that night and went home to SF. I acted in plays and showcases in the Bay Area after that, though I never had any ambition to act in films ever again. I can only imagine the horrors a woman back in the 1940s, 1950s, etc., had to endure. A woman as beautiful as Marilyn Monroe had to go through so many vile episodes that it made me sick to think about it. It didn't take me long to enter the military, and when I got out, I became a bodyguard and private investigator. I protected many women, mostly from ex-husband and ex-boyfriends who were abusive. I thought about my days in Hollywood and the women like Marilyn Monroe who could have used someone like me to protect them from the wolves that prowled the half halls of the studios. Fortunately for me, and the women I was protecting, I was a very large guy which often prevented any need to prove any fighting, though I was quite good at that too. The thing in the back of my mind, it was always Marilyn I was protecting back then. Thank you for such an insightful piece on such a precious person who could have used a grown-up me to protect her when she passed away when I was a child. Maybe she wasn't murdered, but I truly think she was. I really, really believe that, intellectually and with my heart as well. Bless her.
@wendymuir7818
@wendymuir7818 Год назад
If you ever publish your memoirs, I'd like to read them.
@Gigi1111Layna
@Gigi1111Layna Год назад
@@kiasax2 I so wish you were there for her too. I agree, she was murdered...I have read, watched, studied photos, seen the bruises on her deceased body and heard all the private tapes, from Huston, Lawford, Romanoff's wife and others and looked between the lines and outside of the spoken words. No one told that Marilyn's neck was also broken. Or that she absolutely was not with a phone in her hand. No, she was arms tightly in, on her front, hiding until they finished her forever. The "artist" or "model" Italian who presents Marilyn as she looked in her casket...they go to great lengths to say it's fake. It's not. I know her hands her wrist having to be broken to be placed and other points of only someone who dressed her would know. It's just terrible her eyes were left open...and in the exact same position as on the autopsy trolly. They didn't expect ppl to believe it was a real Marilyn embalmed that they were looking at. Even in her state of death...absolute dishonor. I thank you for all you did in protecting the women and ppl you had in your life and work.💙
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 11 месяцев назад
@@Gigi1111Layna where did you read Marilyn's neck was broken?
@soaribb32
@soaribb32 7 месяцев назад
It's giving when RZA took Azealia Banks under his wing only to dismiss her SA allegations to cover for Gerard Butler cuz he knew no one would believe a twitter bully to be abused...
@kriti8829
@kriti8829 2 года назад
Pop culture's obsession with Marylin Monroe's life and the continuous treatment of her as a figurine and a brand is why her story continues to sadden me whenever I hear about it. She was never given a chance to show people the extent of her talents but she did the most with what she was given.
@sarasamaletdin4574
@sarasamaletdin4574 2 года назад
I wonder how many people today who use her image have seen her films or are more about her looks. Or maybe heard of her story?
@kkandsims4612
@kkandsims4612 2 года назад
Similar to Anna Nicole smith except she lowkey exploited marylin as well her whole Ascetic was Monroe’s .
@marmadukescarlet7791
@marmadukescarlet7791 2 года назад
I believe her genius is more recognised than that, particularly by women. Pure genius, imo.
@JaiProdz
@JaiProdz 2 года назад
@@kkandsims4612 I think she was a fan, but also saw the blonde bimbo trope as a way to succeed in life...which I think was smart. I don't think Marilyn would've been offended by that since she herself called MM a character. It's the world that's the issue, the way we box women in.
@ericarmts
@ericarmts 2 года назад
Perfect!
@thehopeofeden597
@thehopeofeden597 2 года назад
It’s nice to see somebody analyzing Marilyn Monroe as a real person because even decades later we’re still treating her like an image.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
@@Jacks_here Yes, a brilliant creation by Norma who did it without a blueprint or guidance.
@8catweazle
@8catweazle Год назад
Everything in Hollywood is image
@JackMason-oq8lf
@JackMason-oq8lf 9 месяцев назад
It's so easy to understand if you accept the notion that Norma Jean was a drag queen who performed under the name "Marilyn Monroe." It all fits. Mousy brown gurl puts on blond persona and is a hit. Not much as Norma Jean, but a big hit as a dumb blond. That's the story. Norma wanted to be liked and a big part of her became very liked. She sold her soul, inadvertently perhaps, but true. The guys she wed thought they were marrying Marilyn Monroe, but what they got was Normal Jean. She was too good as a fake for her own business. Problem: if Marilyn gave up being "dumb" would that kill Norma Jean?
@Prince-Angelito
@Prince-Angelito 2 года назад
I've always found it ridiculous when people question or diminish Marilyn's talent as an actress when she's literally one of the most captivating, effervescent and truly magical people to watch on screen in the history of cinema. You can never take your eyes off her and you don't want to either! She was truly one of a kind.
@prilljazzatlanta5070
@prilljazzatlanta5070 2 года назад
Effervescent is exactly right. Imagine what she could have done if she existed on Amy Adams timeline
@shaunreilly774
@shaunreilly774 5 месяцев назад
I agree with you and will go one step further, no movie that she made would even be remembered now if she hadn't been in it, and I include Some Like It Hot, because originally Mitzi Gaynor was to play Sugar, and although Mitzi is very talented, she was no Monroe and the whole feel of the film would have been off.
@piranha5506
@piranha5506 2 года назад
I found it interesting that Clark Gable who wouldn’t cry in Gone with the Wind(because “real men don’t cry”), agreed to do a full on meltdown scene in this movie. A lot of male actors in Hollywood re-evaluated their macho standards in the fifties. I think it probably had a lot to do with Brando’s performance in Streetcar. It really was a turning point, both for standards of acting as well as portrayal of masculinity on screen.
@sarasamaletdin4574
@sarasamaletdin4574 2 года назад
Gable did cry in GWTW but you are right he had to persuaded. But it’s partly because he was insecure of his acting abilities, even though he had won even Oscar prior.
@daffyphack
@daffyphack 2 года назад
You also have to remember that in the 40's, Gable's wife Carole Lombard died in a plane accident, and it absolutely destroyed him. I would imagine that experiencing a tragedy of that magnitude deeply affected his attitude towards showing emotion.
@piranha5506
@piranha5506 2 года назад
@@daffyphack I don’t think so. If it was only him then that would make sense but this was a very common attitude amongst American actors of the time. It was the norm.
@WellingtonOliveira_well_author
@WellingtonOliveira_well_author 2 года назад
The fact that Monroe DIDN'T get a best supporting actress nomination for "Some Like It Hot" will forever be one of the BIGGEST mistakes ever 😖
@darlineastrel2184
@darlineastrel2184 2 года назад
FACTS
@arnepianocanada
@arnepianocanada 2 года назад
Also a Best Actress nomination for Bus Stop.
@dreamprieto328
@dreamprieto328 2 года назад
Or a Best Actress nomination for Don't Bother to Knock.
@crybabyland
@crybabyland 2 года назад
Hell, Marilyn deserved one for Niagra. She was a GREAT villain in that role.
@WellingtonOliveira_well_author
@WellingtonOliveira_well_author 2 года назад
@Christian Soto Meh... The story is not about her, 'tho. It's all about the guys running away from the mafia 👀👀
@nataliep856
@nataliep856 2 года назад
I love the credit you're giving her "before training" work; she was a brilliant actress from the beginning, even (and especially) in those early romantic comedies where, as you said, she was acting dumb so convincingly. You're totally right -- charm isn't easy, pretending to be aloof and unbothered isn't easy, and even then, she was turning out some really nuanced performances IN those shallower roles. Marilyn deserves so much more credit for her entire career. Beautiful video (haven't even finished watching yet lol), as always. Rest easy, Norma Jeane
@Mark-Smeaton
@Mark-Smeaton 2 года назад
I agree. When my sister and I watched Niagara, she said, "I'm just gobsmacked. She's as good as Meryl Streep in this!" I agreed with her but it's so frustrating because her role isn't very big and she never again played that kind of "anti heroine- femme fatale" again. Even though the role is a sexist cliche, it's testament to how brilliantly diverse she could be.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
@@Mark-Smeaton I feel the same about Niagara. She was fantanstic in it and outshone the entire acting crew. She could act but mostly wasn't given the chance. Loved her in singing and dancing roles the most.
@Mark-Smeaton
@Mark-Smeaton 2 года назад
@@jerrylee8261 Thank you so much for writing this. Have you ever heard the literary theorist Jacqueline Rose discuss MM's role in Niagara'? If not I highly recommend it. It's very easy to find on RU-vid.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
@@Mark-Smeaton No, will look it up. Tks.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
​@@Mark-Smeaton Just watched Rose. To me, the movie was about a woman who was killed for cheating on her husband and not a damnation of capitalism. These seem to be some overly educated pompous talkers who love to go on and on in an effort to show how absolutely brilliant they are. After they stopped talking about Marilyn, I got bored and basically stopped watching at about the 20 minute mark. Tks, again. I can almost laugh about this video if it wasn't so self important to itself.
@Paintergrl1313
@Paintergrl1313 2 года назад
I wish her comedic timing had been appreciated. She’s so genuinely funny and fun to watch.
@JackMason-oq8lf
@JackMason-oq8lf 9 месяцев назад
Her comic timing wasn't appreciated? I believe it was her comedic abilities than convinced people she had talent.
@Tsumami__
@Tsumami__ 3 месяца назад
@@JackMason-oq8lfshe certainly didn’t appreciate her own comedic talent. She wanted to be taken seriously as a dramatic actress, but she was so naturally gifted with comedic timing. A true joy to watch her performances.
@cassidyburke9499
@cassidyburke9499 2 года назад
It always makes me so sad to think about the career Marilyn COULD'VE had if she had lived longer. I think a lot about how she would've been affected by the collapse of the studio system and just the general change in film in the late-sixties and seventies, and I wonder if filmmakers would've been more willing to give her a shot at roles that subverted her persona and let her display her talents for dramatic acting more. Every time I read a book or watch a documentary (or RU-vid video) about Marilyn I get so hung up on what-if scenarios like these, and it inevitably makes me very sad about the fact that she was just so mistreated in life (and in death as well honestly). She truly was just a one-of-a-kind person, and I hate to think that nobody appreciated her for that.
@calivibes_84
@calivibes_84 2 года назад
I was thinking that the whole time watching this too. She did great with what was given, which wasn’t a lot, so just imagine if she had been given more chances or time. It sucks. Not fair for her.
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 2 года назад
Well, if she had lived longer into the 1960s and 1970s, she would have been given mostly "older woman" roles. That era was all about youth, youth and Twiggy-like slimness. (And we're not much better). I like to think people would be inspired by her to write better parts for women. But the vast majority of movies then had male protagonists with women in supporting wife/girlfriend or mother/harridan roles.
@sydneypierce7722
@sydneypierce7722 2 года назад
@@floraposteschild4184 I dont know, maybe she would have gotten to be in The Graduate playing Anne Bancroft roles but New Hollywood is so stylistically different from what we know her persona to be.But hey The Misfits is sort of a precursor to New Hollywood,so what do I know?
@graphiquejack
@graphiquejack 2 года назад
In the sixties there were very few roles for 'older' women in film, and I don't think the industry OR the public would have allowed her to age in public. Very few 'sex symbols' have succeeded in finding work after 40 during that time period... maybe Sophia Loren? She might have had opportunities on stage, possibly, but her fright and insecurity in performing, let alone her reputation for lateness and 'unprofessionalism' would have made every director and producer shut the door on her. In a different era, she might have been given different opportunities to pursue more serious acting in her career, but in the 50s that was never going to happen. Almost every actor and actress was typecast to a certain degree. With her physique and beauty she did the best she could trying to be taken seriously, and the legacy of her films proves she was right all along.
@Mark-Smeaton
@Mark-Smeaton 2 года назад
I'm sure a lot of us play that "What if?" game with Marilyn. Personally -:and I know I'm far from alone here! - I wonder what she would have thought of the feminist or women's liberation movement, as it was called in the late 1960s and 1970s? She died a few months before the publication of Betty Friedan's groundbreaking 'Feminine Mystique', as did Sylvia Plath (who incidentally was a fan of both MM and Elizabeth Taylor). Some who knew Marilyn - like the poet Norman Rosten - have fallen over themselves to say she would NOT have "liked" or identified with the women's movement but I disagree. She really was extremely progressive in her views - her leftist politics long predate her association with Arthur Miller (hence the voluminous files the FBI kept on her, which are as much consumed with her far-left political associations as her sex life, to the disappointment of many a conspiracy theorist). I doubt she'd have espoused feminism as publicly as say, Jane Fonda espoused opposition to the Vietnam war. Feminism would have been a hard cause for her to publicly espouse, for the same reason it was hard for any woman to espouse at the time - in the monolithic face of ridicule and hostility (probably from some women as well as most men). Still, to me it's almost inconceivable to think Marilyn wouldn't have at at least appreciated the women's movement. God knows, she would have understood the need for it & we do know she identified passionately with blue collar workers and supported both the civil rights movement and equality for African-American's - long, long before it was chic to do so . Sorry, maybe I'm getting carried away here - but this "What if?" game IS irresistible where Marilyn's concerned. Lol.
@pennydreadful5163
@pennydreadful5163 2 года назад
Marilyn played her fictional persona so well that it fooled almost all people that it is her true self.
@PrincessOfTheYew
@PrincessOfTheYew 2 года назад
"Tell me you're a Gemini without telling me your a gemini." In all seriousness, though, it sucks that she had to survive like that
@reginoramos6956
@reginoramos6956 2 года назад
@@PrincessOfTheYew has nothing to do with ones zodiac sign in fact all this zodiac stuff is only coincidence. 🤣
@planetheru1911
@planetheru1911 2 года назад
@@reginoramos6956 it’s not but toxic astrology is you’re more than a sun sign
@planetheru1911
@planetheru1911 2 года назад
@@reginoramos6956 and people that say this never experienced it properly
@reginoramos6956
@reginoramos6956 2 года назад
@@planetheru1911 sure lol
@Eli2103
@Eli2103 2 года назад
It’s so disheartening how disrespected she was; not really surprising, but still maddening that her talent was not really appreciated while she was alive (and now most of the attraction she gets is as a tragic figure). She deserved/s so much better
@PogieJoe
@PogieJoe 2 года назад
It's a testament to Marilyn that we are still trying to understand her to this day.
@samuelchristie570
@samuelchristie570 2 года назад
I find The Misfits tragic and fascinating in how it acts as a goodbye to the Golden Age of Hollywood and the studio system, and also a goodbye to all three of the main actors. Gable and Monroe’s last film, and Clift heavily into his long suicide.
@planetarysolidarity
@planetarysolidarity 2 года назад
💯
@supernath80
@supernath80 Год назад
There's always been something about this film that affects me on another level but I'd never been able to put my finger on it - until I saw this comment.
@luckyduckydaisyflower2344
@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 9 месяцев назад
I wonder if it launched jeans for women. Looks modern American
@ashy_ankles_101
@ashy_ankles_101 2 года назад
It’s about time someone took Marilyn seriously. Gentleman Prefer Blondes and Some Like It Hot will forever be my favorite movies. She did incredibly well with what she was given and is still hugely underrated
@Me-mb1ex
@Me-mb1ex 2 года назад
I love her early work. Niagara, Asphalt Jungle and Don't Bother to Knock were all great. She could've easily been a noir icon with the right agent and studio. If anything the fact that she did well with comedy showed how versatile she actually was. Most actors say drama is easy, it's comedy that's difficult.
@thebeautifulnarcissist6662
@thebeautifulnarcissist6662 2 года назад
@@Me-mb1ex Yeah, Vivien Leigh herself said that “making people laugh is much harder than making them cry” (Or something like that, I don’t remember the quote exactly)
@TheHopperUK
@TheHopperUK 2 года назад
Some Like It Hot is my favourite movie of all time and she's wonderful in it.
@rebeccassweetmusic4632
@rebeccassweetmusic4632 2 года назад
She and Jack Lemmon were WONDERFUL in Some Like It Hot. I also enjoyed hearing her incredible singing voice. I also loved her performance in Don't Bother To Knock. She impressed me with her intense dramatic skills. I also loved seeing a baby Anne Bancroft making her movie debut. Also, respect to the guy for treating Marilyn's character like a human with human traits instead of a sex object
@reneea9119
@reneea9119 2 года назад
👍 ‼️ 👍
@ericplunder2744
@ericplunder2744 2 года назад
What is overlooked often, is that Marilyn's earlier performances in Millionaire, Blondes and Itch for example, is acting of the highest order. Only a fool doesn't recognise this. Thank you for pointing this out.
@kellie8468
@kellie8468 2 года назад
And that’s her brilliance. That’s great acting.
@lindamarshall3485
@lindamarshall3485 2 года назад
She really was wonderful in those movies, but another movie she made around that same time, "River of No Return" is abysmal. Her performance in it is terrible.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
Eric Plunder I posted earlier how great she was in another early movie Clash by Night.
@phoebevolz2291
@phoebevolz2291 9 месяцев назад
I’ve seen a lot of actresses try to play Marilyn type roles and the overwhelming majority of them fall flat on their face. It takes a very deft touch to be both ditzy and endearing the way she was in those movies. In the wrong hands, such a character becomes incredibly annoying instead of endearing.
@SidandGeno-k6k
@SidandGeno-k6k 2 года назад
Montgomery Clift was one of the GOATS of method acting. Gable was one of the GOATS of the Hollywood studio system, and Marilyn was a combination of both. What a great cast!
@jamestyler7697
@jamestyler7697 2 года назад
Clift was underrated and doesn't get enough credit.
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
Method acting is pretentious gobbledy gook. Olivier was right about that.
@piranha5506
@piranha5506 2 года назад
@@yeetnama9094 Who cares if it’s pretentious? Actors like Clift were a lot more effective on screen. It worked.
@BetterWithBob
@BetterWithBob 2 года назад
It's funny how he's the only man in the film whose connection with Roslyn is just platonic, yet he and Marilyn have the most chemistry. The two have Grant and Hepburn level chemistry in their scenes together.
@eamonndeane587
@eamonndeane587 Год назад
@@BetterWithBob It's a pity they weren't able to collaborate more often.
@GlamorousGamine
@GlamorousGamine 2 года назад
“It’s hard to play dumb.” THANK YOU. I learned this the hard way when I played an airhead in a student film and saying the same lines drove me nuts, but I couldn’t let that show because self-consciousness is what makes bad acting. That Marilyn could do it so naturally is a testament to her skill.
@1000huzzahs
@1000huzzahs 2 года назад
I think it's a common saying among directors that "you have to get a smart person to play a dumb person." See also Lisa Kudrow playing Phoebe in "Friends," or Amanda Seyfried playing Karen in "Mean Girls." That's equally true with Marilyn.
@objetivista686
@objetivista686 2 года назад
Phoebe is not dumb. It's just exccentric.
@maggiemcfly5267
@maggiemcfly5267 2 года назад
Phoebe wasn't dumb, she just wasn't educated and also she was very eccentric
@abcsin6526
@abcsin6526 2 года назад
Amanda seyfried is educated in what??I m just asking !!!don't know much about her educational background!!
@francookie9353
@francookie9353 2 года назад
@@abcsin6526 Watch any interview with her and you'll see a well-spoken, mature young woman. She's not vapid, she's talented, has diverse interests ... watch any interview with her.
@abcsin6526
@abcsin6526 2 года назад
@@francookie9353 okk
@jamesa.romano8500
@jamesa.romano8500 2 года назад
Its well documented that young Norma Jeane fantasized that Clark Gable was her father while she was in the orphanage (although she never imagined anyone was her mother). How heartbreaking then that so many in the press essentially blamed her for causing Clark Gable's death over the filming delays (ignoring more obvious causes like Gable's age, workload, heavy drinking and smoking). I can't imagine how much hurt that must have caused her. EDIT: Wasn't even aware the clip I was referencing was actually in this vid until after posting this. lol
@ahyan6681
@ahyan6681 2 года назад
Also she really liked Jean Harlow, so much that she hired Jean Harlow's hair stylist (whatever you call them) to die her hair and Jean worked with Clark Gable, also I read a story that she performed Anna Christie better than Garbo (that's a huge thing too, this is Garbo!!!)
@jamesa.romano8500
@jamesa.romano8500 2 года назад
@@ahyan6681 Also interesting that Ben Lyons, who was credited with 'discovering' Marilyn, starred opposite Jean Harlow in Hell's Angels, which proved a starmaker for Harlow. Lyons saw a lot of Harlow in Marilyn as well and signed her to her first contract
@sarasamaletdin4574
@sarasamaletdin4574 2 года назад
That Gable died before his son was born was sad however.
@ahyan6681
@ahyan6681 2 года назад
@@jamesa.romano8500 I think there are a bit of similarities between Harlow and Monroe but I feel both are very different, as Harlow and Monroe had different personas the only reason to compare them is that they're blonde, but both amazing actresses and wonderful comediennes
@jamesa.romano8500
@jamesa.romano8500 2 года назад
@@ahyan6681 I agree that Harlow was more brassy and tough in her onscreen persona. Its hard to know exactly what those who knew Harlow personally saw in Marilyn that would lead them to make the comparison - apparently Jean was the polar opposite of the characters she played and presented to be shy, sweet and affectionate which might have been what they saw in Norma Jeane as well.
@Tsumami__
@Tsumami__ 3 месяца назад
She was such a raw person when she wasn’t acting. She was actually such a gifted actress, people can’t even separate the stage presence that is Marilyn from her real self. She was such an amazing artist. A true icon.
@lsimon343
@lsimon343 2 года назад
I can’t STAND Arthur Miller. His disdain for his precious wife was so evident. He destroyed her confidence and tried to squash her. I know she wasn’t easy but he had no patience and was very hurtful. I hate what he did to her
@richarddixon7855
@richarddixon7855 2 года назад
Personally, I would blame the acting "advisors" (that she never needed in the first place) for the ruin of her confidence.
@thebeautifulnarcissist6662
@thebeautifulnarcissist6662 2 года назад
If I recall, someone shared that Miller once wrote hurtful things on his diary about Marilyn and deliberately left it somewhere where Marilyn could find it and read it so she would known how much he hated her. So yeah, not a very nice person.
@Me-mb1ex
@Me-mb1ex 2 года назад
I've heard her costars say sweeter things about her than he ever did. Every time he talked about her it felt like he was recalling something annoying that he was glad to be rid of.
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
Did you know that Arthur Miller, the radical leftwing wealthy HYPOCRITE, gave birth to a son with severe autism? After his infant son was born and his mental disabilities became apparent, Arthur Miller, the bleeding heart leftist who wrote a multitude of plays and spent his days and nights lecturing humanity on our "capitalistic greed" and "apathy for our fellow brothers in sisters" - Arthur Miller dumped his own disabled baby into a tax payer funded, run down Govt asylum, refused to ever visit him, and forbade his wife to bring him home. He only acknowledged his own son ONE TIME when he grew up to be in his 30s. Even after Arthur Miller passed away, he screwed him over in his own will. He also refused to pay the institution a single PENNY for the welfare and care of his own son. Flippen rotten jerk. *THATS HOLLYWOOD COMMIES FOR* *YA* 😆
@rlabarbera
@rlabarbera 2 года назад
He was a vile excuse for a human being. She deserved better. A raging narcissist that makes my skin crawl in interviews.
@robinhahnsopran
@robinhahnsopran 2 года назад
I love the how empathetically you cover her here. So few people and platforms imagine her complexly, as a real, talented human. Thanks for your hard work here, as always. ✨
@Rhaifha
@Rhaifha 2 года назад
Honestly, it makes the idea of Marilyn as an icon, where it's only the stereotypical images and ideas, all the sadder. Even after her death she's portrayed in a way she explicitly didn't want.
@elenaw6339
@elenaw6339 2 года назад
What is also sad is that Clark Gable also had similar feelings as Marilyn regarding his own career. In Myrna Loy's autobiography, she details how he never seemed to reach his full potential as an actor because of his own insecurities and typecasting...
@elasticharmony
@elasticharmony 2 года назад
They just had a goal much beyond the norm and we're aiming for things perhaps covered by the term"glory" not just being areal actor in film a media were your cheek bones are all you need.
@TheYouthquaker
@TheYouthquaker 10 месяцев назад
I remember hearing about this. I think Clark Gable always felt imposter syndrome; he never got past feeling like the country boy with “big ears and a thick accent”.
@JackMason-oq8lf
@JackMason-oq8lf 9 месяцев назад
Insecurities in Hollywood? How could this be? Actors are the chosen people.
@BetterWithBob
@BetterWithBob 8 месяцев назад
And fittingly enough, when he saw a rough cut of The Misfits, he said "this is the only time I've been able to act"
@arnepianocanada
@arnepianocanada 2 года назад
At "... an elegy to the dumb blonde she never was" I fell into tears. Even writing this reply brings them again. THANK YOU for a caring, respectful post about perhaps our most wrongly cheapened great star.
@sethc4758
@sethc4758 Год назад
The "I call them 19th century fox line" was brilliant. She was a sophisticated beauty, she certainly wasn't the bimbo or naive blonde bombshell they wanted her to be
@JohnJones-bk8tj
@JohnJones-bk8tj 7 месяцев назад
What gets lost is that she knew something was going to happen to her because there now new re revelations that the house or place she lived in there was a little red book she kept don't know how true it is but there's even conspiracies that there were things she knew about aliens I said what that's crzy
@ThomasELeClair
@ThomasELeClair 5 месяцев назад
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thank you,,,,,she was amazing..................I love her.....
@blurredlenzpictures3251
@blurredlenzpictures3251 4 месяца назад
Yes she was. She was a complete idiot fake. She was a liar and cheat. A constant cheat!!!
@cookingartguy2170
@cookingartguy2170 2 года назад
I remember the day Marilyn Monroe died. I was fascinated by her my entire life, probably partly because my mother looked so much like her, and partly because ever since I had first seen her when I was a little boy, I literally thought she was supernatural. I've seen everything possible on her, had a huge collection at one point including several personal items, signed checks of hers, excetera, and owned all the books. Having said all that, this is by far the best and most intelligent profile I've ever seen on her.
@slowdancers
@slowdancers 2 года назад
this video, and Yhara Zayd's video on Marilyn's public image after her death, have been incredible analyses on how fame and the studio system never gave a flying fuck about Marilyn as a person with any real sense of autonomy, intelligence or talent. It's stating the obvious and the already well known fact that she was seen as a piece of meat who showered 20th Century Fox with money, I know, but it's incredible to me how so many people fail to see the problem with the inhumane treatment she dealt with in her life, that it was all "part of the deal", ugh. Thank you so much for making videos like this, that aren't afraid of showcasing the great talent and personality that Marilyn was and that so many people in her life either were too blind or simply refused to see.
@MrAliu75
@MrAliu75 2 года назад
I thought I knew EVERYTHING about MM & I actually learned things I never knew !!! 1. Miller wrote ANOTHER play with an MM character before he died. 2. Huston F’d up the production way more than MM. 3. Gloria Steinem was at Actor’s Studio w/MM. 4. The book “Will Acting Spoil Marilyn Monroe?” 5. Marilyn’s quotes on how she felt Roslyn was dumbed down. Great analysis on the meta aspects of the Rosalyn character!! Makes me want to see the film again. AND thank you for using the most RESTORED footage I’ve ever seen of MM film work! (Amazing editing btw on this entire piece.) Best LOL moment “Girl, someone’s giving a great comedic performance here & her name is not Lawrence Olivier.” 😂😂😂 And where in the world did you find an audio recording of the original cast of After The Fall??
@anastasiageorge1279
@anastasiageorge1279 2 года назад
especially the lawrence olivier one lmao. i watched that movie about a year ago & her performance must have made her back ache because of how she had to carry that movie
@tahaduri13
@tahaduri13 2 года назад
I love the Gal Gadot reference. Oh what power and connections in Hollywood could do for a lackluster turkey.. RIP Marilyn, much love and peace.
@TheEliseRodgers
@TheEliseRodgers 2 года назад
“Her movie and her performance didn’t really matter, neither, apparently, did the truth” - you hit Marilyn all right there with that opening, BKR
@vintagesubliminals3398
@vintagesubliminals3398 2 года назад
"And to think, Arthur did this to me." :( that line made me especially sad. All she wanted was to be taken seriously as an actress and to this day she's just seen as a model of ideal beauty. I think, had she lived longer she would've for sure at least gotten an oscar nomination. A part of me wonders why Elizabeth Taylor was aloud to act in great roles and Marilyn wasn't...
@jacquelinecallejas1390
@jacquelinecallejas1390 2 года назад
Now I'm wondering what a Marilyn version of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" would have been like when she was older and who would have played the Richard Burton role.
@WhatsUpWithSheila
@WhatsUpWithSheila 2 года назад
I think the answer to that question is... Elizabeth Taylor did not present herself as an...sexy airhead. Which Marilyn Monroe did... And she had the worst luck. 1. She did not have enough confidence nor could she protect herself. exampe: She had that illness that made it hard for her to sleep and eat.. they kept rewriting the script.. so she had to take pills to stay up and study the new script... then she had to take more pills to actually go to sleep... then she would oversleep in the morning. Which made her look inconsiderate and hard to work with. And it's almost like the universe used everything it could against her. I believe that there are certain aspects of Our Lives that if we show any negativity or any uncertainty that we will be eating alive.. and Marilyn Monroe was in the wrong place *Hollywood* to show the amount of uncertainty that she did. *And the poor woman just came off looking like a joke* And there for eatin alive..
@szee8588
@szee8588 2 года назад
@@WhatsUpWithSheila No, I think it's all luck and timing, and Elizabeth didn't have as horrible people around her, like Dr Greenson, Marilyn's psychiatry doctor, who was responsible for a lot of her not doing as well later, he got her hooked on drugs. Took advantage of her. Violated patient doctor relationship in many ways. Digusting character.
@Alpha-Andromeda
@Alpha-Andromeda Год назад
@@WhatsUpWithSheila Marilyn presented herself however the studios ordered her to. Same as Rita Hayworth, Judy Garland, or any other star of the time, they had no freedom to present themselves as they were or as they wished to be seen often forcing them to abort a child or hide a relationship so that the PERSONA of the films would spill over into “real life”. Do you not know about this? To say otherwise is to misunderstand the studio-actor relationship and is a great disservice to Marilyn. Had the studios cast her in serious roles from the onset she would have never presented herself as a ditsy blonde. That was a Persona the studios CONCOCTED for her and she had to go along BY CONTRACT. As to why it was different that Elizabeth Taylor’s destiny it’s simply different attributes (physically) and different karma (what experiences they were FORCED TO LIVE). Elizabeth is not a great actress. Her PERSONA was that of the “great actress femme fatale” so that’s what people ate up and saw her as. Marilyn was “the sexpot ditsy bombshell” that’s what people ate up. So the fake personas were different and set up from the beginning. You can’t expect otherwise. Unfortunately.
@beeben5260
@beeben5260 Год назад
@@Alpha-Andromeda well said.
@justin__roderick
@justin__roderick 2 года назад
its kinda sad to know that "The Misfits" is a much more underrated film in Monroe"s filmography, compared to "Some Like It Hot" or "The Seven Year Itch" since it definitely shows her range and talent much better than any of her other films
@pennyjobes4775
@pennyjobes4775 2 года назад
Don’t Bother to Knock is a DAMN good movie. She could REALLY play character! It’s a drama film if you didn’t know.
@WhitneyDahlin
@WhitneyDahlin 2 года назад
‼️I HIGHLY recommend watching Marilyn in her basically only serious role called Don't Bother to Knock. It's a psychological thriller reminds me a lot of an Alfred Hitchcock movie. She is absolutely fantastic. It didn't do well at the time because she was so typecasted that no one was able to take her seriously in this movie. But now having the benefit of hindsight and being able to see her as an actual person she really shows just how talented of an actress she really was. She is absolutely fantastic, in my opinion this is her best role. There is a certain type of person who is so good at acting that they create a real life persona so convincingly that people assume that persona is the truth. That's what Marilyn Monroe the actress was. Marilyn Monroe was just as much of a character and a mask as any role she played onscreen. And it definitely wasn't who she really was as a person. She was definitely incredibly talented and I have no doubt that if she had lived a couple decades later and been allowed to succeed and have been taken seriously she would be like Meryl Streep is and be taking serious roles and doing amazing well into her retirement age. I absolutely love your videos! I love how you do these biographies on vintage actresses and stuff. I was wondering if you would ever Branch out a little bit and do the biographies of some famous vintage ballet dancers. Some of them had some really wild dramatic lives.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
Whitney, great post. Marilyn's passing at a relatively young age has just added to her mystique. She will always remain beautiful and will not suffer the ravages of time. I am and will always be mesmerized and fascinated by her but why does it seem that the entire world feels that way? I just watched a video of two men I sub to who were vacationing in Venice and guess whose picture was on a mural in one of the buildings.
@elasticharmony
@elasticharmony 2 года назад
I've seen that film yes I believe she was rather a very obessed actor who had tutors and studied every day. These are what destroyed her in my opinion, she was Hollywood then; every dollar on the credit side was from her works.
@jerrylee8261
@jerrylee8261 2 года назад
@@elasticharmony Was watching The Asphalt Jungle from 1950 last night and was kinda amused that Marilyn wasn't even credited at the beginning. Now when you see an ad for it guess who is in the picture. She was so fresh and young and beautiful in her part and didn't have those Monroe mannerisms then which was refreshing.
@JackMason-oq8lf
@JackMason-oq8lf 9 месяцев назад
Norma Jean turned herself into a Brand, called "Marilyn Monroe." She used that brand to get attention. And money. So, using her image to sell her brand isn't much of a crime.
@ihateberwald
@ihateberwald 2 года назад
I gasped at the “enough Champagne……to fill the Nile” clip But yes it was a credit to her that Marylin made playing the “dumb blonde” so effortless and effortlessly charming
@Liolia22
@Liolia22 2 года назад
Oh, what was that in reference to? I knew it was Gal Gadot, but…
@piranha5506
@piranha5506 2 года назад
@@Liolia22 she’s going to be playing Cleopatra...
@ReglasdeOro
@ReglasdeOro 2 года назад
Was this a dig at Gal Gadot? I didn't get it.
@Liolia22
@Liolia22 2 года назад
@@piranha5506 aaaah, thanks! I figured it has something to do with Cleopatra but didn’t realize Gadot would play her. Interesting! She’s Israeli and it was Jews that built the pyramids… I don’t know if she has the acting skill for that role, but she’s beautiful enough. Which is BKR’s point, I imagine. To me, the connection is two-fold, here, because the studio & the press would compare Elizabeth Taylor to Marilyn Monroe, and while Taylor caused the studio millions in shooting delays of Cleopatra, the studio took its anger out on Marilyn, fired her, and shut down her final film before it was finished production. It was called: Something’s Got To Give. 😥
@slowdancers
@slowdancers 2 года назад
@@Liolia22 pretty sure it's due to the fact that Gadot is an extremely beautiful and incredibly in-demand actress right now, but that she doesn't have an ounce of talent to make up for that demand of her in pictures, unlike with Marilyn.
@AllenMQuinn
@AllenMQuinn 2 года назад
Don't Bother to Knock is a great film I always recommend people check out. It was before the whole "Marilyn" persona really took off and you see a completely different, serious side to her. You could see a very good dramatic actress with a lot of potential.
@MrDLOC11
@MrDLOC11 2 года назад
The Misfits is easily Marilyn's best film as actress. Finally an adult role that didn't flatter or pander to her sensuality. Instead Miller uses it as a commentary on how Roselyn affects the male characters, symbolizing the shred of humanity in the cruel, inhumane world of desert, the western, & all rodeos.
@BryonyClaire
@BryonyClaire 2 года назад
I can't watch this movie without an emotional struggle. I'm so glad you're talking about this. The whole movie, from Arthur writing it as her "Valentine" to the on set issues to the aftermath is so much to cover. Glad to see other people treating her as what she was, a human
@acecat2798
@acecat2798 2 года назад
Can you imagine how fascinating Monroe would've been in a faithful adaptation of Brothers Karamazov? Grushenka is such a complicated person... that scene where she toys with Alyosha and Katya, or the "I gave an onion" monologue... Grushenka to me seems like a person who wants to think that she knows herself and seems highly motivated, but is unable to commit to any action completely because her morality is at war with her persona as a capricious tease. That would've been amazing to see Monroe stretching her skills with, because she knew all about persona (like that exchange where Norma Jean Baker asked a friend "do you want to see me become her [Marilyn]?" and suddenly everyone on the street started recognizing her by the way she held herself). I think the 1958 Karamazov film sucked tbh, and Monroe being in it probably wouldn't have saved the script, but that's not a reflection of her skill.
@highwind1991
@highwind1991 2 года назад
Damn, that low blow against gal gadot there was......hilariously deserving
@sammygirl6910
@sammygirl6910 2 года назад
💀💀💀😂😂😂
@sarasamaletdin4574
@sarasamaletdin4574 2 года назад
Why? Should we pull down some women to compliment others? They do not play similar roles either to compare those.
@kostajovanovic3711
@kostajovanovic3711 2 года назад
@@sarasamaletdin4574 maybe her support of Zionism plays a part in that diss, maybe
@jimmymunz874
@jimmymunz874 2 года назад
@@sarasamaletdin4574 she's allowed to be critical of someone's acting.
@dimatadore
@dimatadore 2 года назад
I still to this day don’t understand why Gal gets roles, she’s gorgeous but what an awful actress.
@Tadzio5050
@Tadzio5050 2 года назад
I love the Misfits and the scene of Monroe and Clift sitting on the ground is so tender, so beautifully acted. it also drives me crazy that people say, "Oh, see's just playing herself." I'd like to see any of those people stand up and just "be" themselves film after film. She was one of a kind even in an industry where women had very little room to move. Thank you for your work.
@DCMarvelMultiverse
@DCMarvelMultiverse 2 года назад
Fun Fact: Monroe was quite the reader. She enjoyed Ulysses and always asked to borrow new books that others kept to collecting dust on a shelf. Her ability to quickly study and analyze text was well known in many circles. However, she was rumored to suffer self-esteem issues despite her intelligence. I find it interesting how people rally against the cage of good looks and Hollywood image of Monroe but also never mention her intelligence first and foremost. Fun Fact 2: In 1984 the Supreme Court deregulated dress sizes. Most people do not know that. Because of that, people think a size 12 Monroe is like a size 12 now. Her size 12 dress was too small for a modern size 2 dress geek. Her measurements were almost the same as Liz Hurley (a model who thinks Monroe was "fat"). Additionally, the misconception of Monroe's size is why people contradictorily say "Americans are now bigger than ever" while also saying "Women were bigger back then." The cornerstone of body positivity is based on a misconception and contradictions. Finally, no real proof of banging the Kennedys exists! She was a hard worker who suffered when she did not have to. The op-option of her by right and left and fad movements and conspiracy theories should stop. Just stop.
@kalidilerious
@kalidilerious 10 месяцев назад
Proof of the affair with Kennedy indeed exists. Reading the book "Killing Kennedy" there are two known occasions when Marylin and JFK hooked up, possibly more but there is no proof. Both times happened at Bing Crosby's California estate for a party. Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby who were connected with the mob back then knew that JFK would take a liking to Marylin. So Sinatra who personally knew Marilyn (also intimately) invited Marilyn to arrange the hook up with JFK. The rest is history.
@awesomeboston5217
@awesomeboston5217 2 года назад
More people need to talk about eli Wallach in this movie. That dude is such an underrated actor
@mentak2593
@mentak2593 2 года назад
My favorite actor of all time.
@calivibes_84
@calivibes_84 2 года назад
He was the neighbor in The Holiday, right? I’ve watched this but only once so don’t remember him. I don’t watch westerns much but need to check out more of his older stuff.
@user-cc6nb5th6x
@user-cc6nb5th6x 10 месяцев назад
I so agree.
@user-cc6nb5th6x
@user-cc6nb5th6x 10 месяцев назад
Rod Steiger was vastly underrated too.
@Jakjakattack
@Jakjakattack Год назад
Comic timing is one of the hardest things for actors to get right, so i'm incredibly glad you referenced the fact that her comedic roles and the skills required went so underappreciated. There are so few actresses even today that could pull off some of the roles that she did with the same degree of comedy, relatability and stage presence that she had. Once again thank you for raising this point x
@eddiereedbigband1
@eddiereedbigband1 2 года назад
I thought it impossible to say more than has already been said about Marilyn's legacy, but here it is folks. This tribute is at once elegant and down to earth, insightful and heart rending. Thank you for creating this; it is simply wonderful; congratulations. You, like Marilyn, deserve all our appreciation and love !
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 2 года назад
5:51 I remember Jane Fonda in interviews talking about Marilyn Monroe in acting classes and when you hear that account, you really have a sense of what she was like.
@ericplunder2744
@ericplunder2744 2 года назад
Sorry...another comment... yes, Marilyn kept getting thrown under the bus, when Miller couldn't get the script together, and Huston blew all that money. I loathe that she gets all the blame.
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
Arthur Miller was a Communist lefty hypocrite who dumped his own disabled child into a tax payer funded mental institution and refused to ever visit him. He Let the tax payers foot the bill, too, in spite of his great wealth.
@SkyeID
@SkyeID 3 месяца назад
in the end, Huston was the biggest misfit of them all.
@samsamsam4790
@samsamsam4790 2 года назад
gosh she looks so stunning in the misfits, her in casual clothes and that lob is just gorgeous
@r.a.r.1981
@r.a.r.1981 2 года назад
I have said for the longest time that Marilyn had a spark that not every actor has. She really did have an innate talent for acting in front of a camera and deserves to be recognized for being more than just a curvaceous figure and a pretty face. Excellent video. I'm glad it exists.
@destineydevereux4722
@destineydevereux4722 2 года назад
On that day in 62 I was at a sleepover with my friends, it came over the radio that Marilyn was gone, I cried all day but my friends didn't understand,, I had discovered major sadness and depression,, I was 14 and still love and miss Marilyn,, I'm glad to see younger generations finally giving her the respect and understanding she has always deserved ♥️💋
@tonybennett4159
@tonybennett4159 2 года назад
It's always mystified me why The Misfits has been held in such low esteem. The shifting dynamics between the characters I find compelling and Marilyn's performance in it was genuinely moving, even if it's dismissed by some as Marilyn merely playing herself. The same could be said about John Wayne (that was always playing himself), but he never could summon the nuance and pathos that Marilyn so easily could.
@rociomiranda5684
@rociomiranda5684 2 года назад
I feel for her with all my heart. She was a luminous person and suffered unrelenting abuse through her brief life. No actor compares to her, the way she can light up the screen with her presence and her talent.
@MichaelChong100
@MichaelChong100 2 года назад
John Houston also treated Montgomery Clift the same in Freud: The Secret Passion (1962), where he blamed everything on him and even suing him.
@iluvcamaros1912
@iluvcamaros1912 Год назад
"How do you find your way back in the dark?" -- God that's a heartbreaking line coming from Marilyn
@johndewittwalsh7765
@johndewittwalsh7765 2 года назад
When I was growing up, there was a 50’s style diner a few blocks from my house that had a giant, black-and-white photo of Marilyn Monroe. I would often go to the diner just to look at her. Marilyn was my first crush. It’s horrendous the way she was underestimated and objectified - but in the end, she is the one remembered for her iconic roles in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, The Seven Year Itch, The Misfits and one of the best comedic performances of all time, Some Like It Hot. We love you, MM.
@zumwild
@zumwild 10 месяцев назад
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@QuinnsIdeas
@QuinnsIdeas 2 года назад
I love your videos!
@alonealien1474
@alonealien1474 2 года назад
33:32 That's probably true within the context of the US, however, I found out about Miller the playwright much earlier than Miller the husband of Marilyn Monroe. I was in high school when I read his "Death of a Salesman" after watching a televised performance of it and was blown away by it. This eventually led me to "A View from the Bridge", "All My Sons", and finally, "The Crucible".
@yeetnama9094
@yeetnama9094 2 года назад
Did you know that Arthur Miller, the radical leftwing wealthy HYPOCRITE gave birth to a son with severe autism? After his infant son was born and his mental disabilities became apparent, Arthur Miller, the bleeding heart leftist who wrote a multitude of plays and spent his days and nights lecturing humanity on our "capitalistic greed" and "apathy for our fellow brothers in sisters" - Arthur Miller dumped his own disabled baby into a tax payer funded, run down Govt asylum, and refused to ever visit him, and forbade his wife to bring him home. He only acknowledged his own son ONE TIME when he grew up to be in his 30s. Even after Arthur Miller passed away he screwed him over in his own will. He also refused to pay the institution a single PENNY for the welfare and care of his own son. Flippen rotten jerk. *THATS HOLLYWOOD COMMIES FOR* *YA* 😆
@alonealien1474
@alonealien1474 2 года назад
@@yeetnama9094 Okay, bot.
@kareninacarado
@kareninacarado 2 года назад
Also agree with this. Arthur was more than Marilyn’s ex-husband. (Or even the father-in-law of Daniel Day-Lewis) He’s basically a well-known playwright, much like his contemporaries Tennessee Williams, Eugene O’Neill, Truman Capote, August Wilson, James Baldwin, among others. If not for Arthur and them, American drama will not flourish globally.
@seanmannix7446
@seanmannix7446 2 года назад
I saw a tweet a couple weeks ago that was like “imagine if Marilyn had lived long enough to play Desiree in A Little Night Music” and I haven’t stopped thinking about it since
@nhanhoang3335
@nhanhoang3335 2 года назад
Was shocked to see a 2nd video this month, but really love how you delve into Marilyn's story. Just feel sad to me that no matter how hard other ppl try to debunk the stereotypical image of Marilyn, it will always still linger there.
@fitnessfreak7851
@fitnessfreak7851 2 года назад
"The Misfits" are among my favorite movies and its backstory is among the most intriguing stories about Miss Monroe. I really love your take about this movie and explaining the context, in which, why she took on such a role. As always, love your work and amazing work as always. ❤💯
@ariane9214
@ariane9214 2 года назад
I highly recommend reading "Marilyn in Manhattan: Her Year of Joy" by Elizabeth Winder for another analysis on who she was as a woman and who she wanted to be as an actress! I've never seen The Misfits, but it's definitely going on my list now ❤
@khaledf.abdullah
@khaledf.abdullah 2 года назад
There are no words to describe just how much I love this channel. Consistently engaging, well-researched, and perfectly paced.
@jenxsj3902
@jenxsj3902 11 месяцев назад
The Misfits was her last completed film. Her last films was actually “Something’s gotta give”.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 года назад
I saw that movie two months ago and I thought it was really engaging. I loved seeing Marilyn get some material that had her playing a complex character, rather than a character you need to read complexity into cause she nailed it. And Clark Gable was great in this too. What a cursed production though, damn.
@rafaelyaguaro2842
@rafaelyaguaro2842 2 года назад
Another gem of a video! Heartbreaking hearing about what Marilyn has to suffer to be taken seriously
@lootleo4022
@lootleo4022 2 года назад
They just pimped her out. It’s infuriating. I had endometriosis, just like around 10% of women in the US, and what was worse than the pain were the assholes who thought I faked the pain. The crippling pain. For which i had a hysterectomy because I couldn’t live with that pain anymore. So I can understand how her battle with it coupled with how she was generally treated, and the barbiturates they pushed on her, I can understand how she probably sunk into a deep depression. It’s just infuriating and sad. She had a good soul and heart. I think she would’ve ranked up there with Betty White had she lived.
@Chowah
@Chowah 2 года назад
“Gurrrl her name was not Lawrence Olivier” - 😂😂 if only we could reach back in time and give these people clap backs like this for trashing Marilyn all of the time. Olivier sucked in that movie. PS I looove your channel and these essay style videos!
@suzbone
@suzbone 2 года назад
9:53 it occurs to me that having a deep resentment at being seen as "only needing to show up to succeed" could quite naturally motivate a person to be outrageously unreliable out of spite.
@Mark-Smeaton
@Mark-Smeaton 2 года назад
This is off topic but I was shocked recently when reading the comments about a video entitled "Marilyn Monroe's brief pregnancy during the making of Some Like It Hot". Everyone - whilst claiming to love Marilyn - was chiding her for "irresponsibility" for making a movie while pregnant (she looks to my layman's eye anywhere from 10 to 16 weeks pregnant in SLIH - possibly not that "brief" at all). The point - which not one person mentioned - was that there was no such thing as maternity leave in 1958-9 and Marilyn had no choice but to make that film - it was almost like she went into it with a gun to her head. I know Endometriosis makes it extremely hard to carry a pregnancy to full term but I still can't watch Tony Curtis tripping her up on the beach so she lands flat on her stomach without wincing. I've never heard that this was the cause of her miscarriage but it can't have helped.
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 2 года назад
Grace Lee Whitney in her autobio certainly thought the movie caused it. She recounted how the director had Monroe do take after take of running in high heels. So that beach tripping scene you mentioned was probably not done in one take but several.
@beverlyhollis3724
@beverlyhollis3724 Год назад
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@Mark-Smeaton
@Mark-Smeaton Год назад
@@PungiFungi Late reply but thanks for posting. Jesus, that's so f**ked! Even back then, people surely knew better than to make women in the first trimester of pregnancy run - in high heels ffs. Vivien Leigh had a similar experience while making a movie in the 1940s.
@Lilah-Violet
@Lilah-Violet 2 года назад
I watched The Misfits for the first time with my now ex husband, towards the tail end of our relationship. This analysis brought me to tears. I've been a fan of Marilyn for the majority of my life and it's rare to see people analyzing her with such understanding and compassion, as well as acknowledging her endometriosis!! Thank you!
@dokiepkosa
@dokiepkosa 2 года назад
I just watched this a few weeks ago! The horse herding scene made me cry, the whole thing was so intense
@siddharthnaagar7028
@siddharthnaagar7028 2 года назад
I just can't help but wonder the striking similarities between Britney and Marilyn, both heavenly beauties, inexplicably famous, underappreciatd talents, destroyed by the media, the world & even their own loved ones
@Grace-ig7vm
@Grace-ig7vm Год назад
Exactly, and to think they are distant cousins!
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie 2 года назад
33:50 I read his plays first and found out about Monroe later, but I’m not American. I think a more convincing reason is that he had a lot of unanswered questions about his relationship with Monroe and felt he had to express them. This makes sense when you see the timings of these plays, after her death and towards the end of his life.
@deirdre108
@deirdre108 2 года назад
Miller's "The Crucible" was required reading in 10th grade English at my school. It had quite an impact on us.
@elisamozo3808
@elisamozo3808 2 года назад
The clip of Gael Gadot from Death in the nile after commenting that an untalented but gorgeous actress couldn't have gotten as much success as Marilyn had me cackling
@Frosting1000
@Frosting1000 2 года назад
Honestly, I always knew Marilyn Monroe had to be a lot smarter than the bombshell persona she was known for, but even then I never saw until this video how intelligent, passionate and well-read she was! Also you’re right, comedic timing and charm is a skill and it’s definitely not something all beautiful actresses have (the clip of gal gadot really demonstrated it for me 😂). She was a great actress and performer and yet people wanted to box her in.
@ekajatiful
@ekajatiful 2 года назад
Wow this is fantastic. I had no idea about the Huston backstory on this movie. Really appreciate how you are excavating sexism-in-action in these classic film stories.
@TVC15ohoh
@TVC15ohoh 3 месяца назад
This is a remarkably good channel. The information feels balanced, objective, and grounded in fact, something that cannot be said about other similar channels, which are often inaccurate, glitzy, and forever focused on the negatives.
@thescarecrowcat
@thescarecrowcat 2 года назад
Your emphasis on her EMOTIONAL intelligence in this role/character is legitimately something I've always felt about her performances that, regardless of incessant typecasting, shine through in her downright Piscean adaptation to the material she's given. The roles she was given throughout her career played to male fantasy, and the mythos of that projected fantasy is STRONG, but it clearly takes people who can see past such two-dimensional objectifications how emotional intelligence actually dominates her career. It's significant in all of her performances and I think is a major factor that endears her to audiences to this day. That is why she was more than just A Star.
@thescarecrowcat
@thescarecrowcat 2 года назад
That was super rambly and I edited it a lot, but my main point was....emotional intelligence has been undervalued for AGES, and so often in life, it is everything.
@thescarecrowcat
@thescarecrowcat 2 года назад
"She ceased being a person and became a symbol." This is the most striking and tragic thing about her life and legacy and what I ultimately believe led to her death. Her real self never got to exist or thrive in the sunlight. She was a symbol the moment she set foot in front of a camera.
@paul8926
@paul8926 2 года назад
Marilyn’s greatest performance was playing Marilyn Monroe. Personally, I thought Marilyn was awesome in “Bus Stop”
@dreamprieto328
@dreamprieto328 2 года назад
What about her stellar performance in Don't Bother to Knock?
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 2 года назад
I’m happy that this video exists and shows us a glimpse into what could’ve been. An in-depth Marilyn Monroe video essay was long overdue.
@cobolsaurus
@cobolsaurus 2 года назад
I love her comment about 19th Century Fox. She was an intelligent woman. What a loss not having films with her playing serious characters. I was lucky I never met her in person, I would have fallen madly, desperately, and painfully in love with her. I believe she is the most beautiful when she is out of character and just being herself. She must have been the sweetest girl. It's true, comedy is very difficult, and she was masterful at it. Her timing is perfect.
@heatherh.1501
@heatherh.1501 2 года назад
I appreciate your coverage of this and other notable events and personalities from Golden Age Hollywood. In this instance, I think you make a very compelling case that Marilyn Monroe was scapegoated for problems on The Misfits, but I also feel like you erased the very real mental health struggles Marilyn experienced throughout her life. Marilyn wrote this note/journal entry in 1957 when Arthur Miller was writing the screenplay of The Misfits: "Starting tomorrow I will take care of myself for that’s all I really have and as I see it now have ever had. Roxbury-I’ve tried to imagine spring all winter-it’s here and I still feel hopeless. I think I hate it here because there is no love here anymore… In every spring the green [of the ancient maples] is too sharp-though the delicacy in their form is sweet and uncertain-it puts up a good struggle in the wind-trembling all the while… I think I am very lonely-my mind jumps. I see myself in the mirror now, brow furrowed-if I lean close I’ll see-what I don’t want to know-tension, sadness, disappointment, my [“blue” is crossed out] eyes dulled, cheeks flushed with capillaries that look like rivers on maps-hair lying like snakes. The mouth makes me the sadd[est], next to my dead eyes… When one wants to stay alone as my love (Arthur) indicates the other must stay apart." By her own admission, Marilyn was struggling with a profound, pervasive, almost annihilating unhappiness that sounds an awful lot like clinical depression during a pivotal stage in the creation of The Misfits. This erasure of mental health issues in very high profile, female entertainment stars is something I see played out over and over even as mental health advocates wage very public campaigns to destigmatize mental illness. As a society, we seem willing to tolerate mental illness and even to feel sympathy for people who live with mental health conditions, as long as we can other them as objects of pity. When a woman's public persona is that of a beautiful, charismatic performer, we find ways to elide her struggles with mental illness, be it depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, or any one of a host of other mental health conditions. As someone who has been diagnosed with Bipolar I, I find this erasure damaging for me personally and for people living with mental illness in general. I'll add that--judging by this passage--Marilyn Monroe was one hell of a writer.
@skonenblades
@skonenblades 2 года назад
I just saw this movie for the first time a couple of weeks ago without knowing all the baggage attached to it. As I watched it, I could see this 'new Marilyn' starting to emerge and was lamenting this older Marilyn actor that we never got to see. But then I found out that it was her last film AND Gable's last film and about the troubled production and everything. This video was a great watch.
@deirdre108
@deirdre108 2 года назад
And Monty Cliff's last film too.
@leslierae6416
@leslierae6416 2 года назад
I love love love your essays! And I love your take on Marilyn, she really was done so wrong by soooooo many people throughout her life. People she thought she could trust....it’s heartbreaking. She was a real human in real pain and all people ever seem to take out of her story is “oooh fashion style icon”. Megan Fox had a Marilyn Monroe tattoo that she had the removed AFTER she learned more about Marilyn’s deeply sad life.
@shelby8364
@shelby8364 2 года назад
why would she get it removed tho? I remember seeing interviews with her back in the day and she always said the same thing about Marilyn, that she always "felt a deep empathy with her". Just curious why she would regret it if she felt such a deep connection to her pretty much her entire life and claimed to be such a huge fan and know so much about Monroe 🤔🤷
@Maglors_grief
@Maglors_grief 2 года назад
@@shelby8364 Here's the quote Megan Fox said about removing her Marilyn tattoo: “I’m removing it. She was a negative person, she was disturbed…I do not want to attract this kind of negative energy in my life.”
@timw7256
@timw7256 2 года назад
The read on Laurence Olivier was FIRE
@SkyeID
@SkyeID 3 месяца назад
if anyone needs an example of reading, they can just listen to that line in the video.
@DarientLambert
@DarientLambert 2 года назад
Marilyn's last film was Something's Got to Give (1962) even though it's not finished
@stirgy4312
@stirgy4312 2 года назад
The photos in the locker scene blew me away. Her being cool with that shows her depth and playfulness. WTG, MM!
@garrettcorpier662
@garrettcorpier662 2 года назад
While not an exact correlation, I'd like to imagine that Marylin Monroe's later works would be similar to Kirsten Dunst. Known in popular culture for her younger performances, but really nails it in later ones. I could see Marylin doing something like Melancholia or Fargo.
@eggboi4564
@eggboi4564 2 года назад
I have been rewatching all your content recently after moving out on my own for the first time. You are keeping me sane and this new video feels like a sign I’m going to be ok! Love you and your work
@Bunny-ch2ul
@Bunny-ch2ul 2 года назад
This subject is very near and dear to my heart. My grandfather used to be a photographer before he was blacklisted for unionizing, and later became a diplomat. He was assigned to cover Marilyn Monroe and Arthur Miller's wedding press conference. My family has been in Connecticut for a billion years, and they lived near where the press conference was. That area is still very rural, in a very expensive sort of way. It's all dirt roads with impossibly tight curves and those gorgeous stacked stone walls. On the way to the press conference, one of the journalists from out of state went off the road and was somewhat badly injured. So Marilyn being the incredibly kind and compassionate woman that she was, pulled over when she drove past the accident and helped the injured journalist. In the process she got covered in blood. By the time my grandfather got to the scene, also on the way to the event, the situation was already under control. So, being ever the good journalist, he photographed the scene, with the intention of showing how compassionate she was. I don't know if anyone wrote about how compassionate she was caring for an injured journalist by the side of the road, but I know that I have incredible original photographs of Marilyn Monroe covered in blood. I have a photo of her and Arthur Miller that he took on my dresser, and it's incredibly unusual because they both look great. They both look happy. He doesn't look old. Neither looks upset that they're being photographed, like they do in literally every other picture of the two of them. In college, one of my fiends invited me to a lecture that Robert Miller, Arthur Miller's son, who produced the movie version of The Crucible, was giving her class. She was distraught that everyone in her class had found the movie boring, and begged me to come sit with her. I got to talk with him after his lecture about my grandfather's experience with Marilyn, and the poor guy said that he can't talk to a group of people without someone bringing up whether or not Arthur Miller exploited her. (He very sincerely thanked me for not bringing up the subject with the whole class.) He agreed with my assessment that while Arthur Miller respected her, it was difficult for him to see her as any sort of intellectual equal. The whole thing is just incredibly sad.
@hambone.fakenamington
@hambone.fakenamington 2 года назад
I could cry, I’m such a huge Marilyn fan and I would love to see more videos giving her the credit she deserves.
@1957DLT
@1957DLT 2 года назад
Huston was a piece of work, so was Miller for that matter. Marilyn was not without issues, but dang she gave such a performance. I always feel so sad that we never got the career trajectory she was steering for.
@rubytuesdayphoenix
@rubytuesdayphoenix 2 года назад
I can't tell you how happy the notification that my favorite YT channel did a video on my favorite movie made me. Izzy, you're a treasure
@anticonformiste
@anticonformiste 2 года назад
Great video, as always. The Misfits is one of my favorite films, in great part due to Marilyn’s and Monty’s incredible performances. Though also, living for the shade thrown Gal Gadot’s way. Ha!
@daffyphack
@daffyphack 2 года назад
when you said "gorgeous, untalented people" my mind immediately went to one person, and then bang, there she is in your video. Wonderful. also: "flipping hips"?
@arnepianocanada
@arnepianocanada 2 года назад
Olivier got it right - then trashed her as"a model." 500% right re her acting v/s his; to his tiny credit, he did agree later. His scorn deeply hurt her; Miller agreed (she saw in his left-open diary), likely starting their collapse.
@chrisforeman139
@chrisforeman139 2 года назад
You knock it out of the park with each posted video. Very informed, balanced, well researched.
@cristinakopels2330
@cristinakopels2330 2 года назад
thank you for this. i've listened to the Be Kind Rewind podcast about this and i love that you made a video about this. i love your channel so much
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